Linux-Advocacy Digest #35, Volume #30 Sat, 4 Nov 00 09:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: 2.4 Kernel Delays. (Stefan Ohlsson)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Sam Morris")
Re: Linux growth rate explosion! ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Linux growth rate explosion! (Roberto Teixeira)
Re: Linux growth rate explosion! ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: so REALLY, what's the matter with Microsoft? (mlw)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! (gm)
Re: Linux growth rate explosion! ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Linux growth rate explosion! ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: so REALLY, what's the matter with Microsoft? (mlw)
Re: Linux growth rate explosion! (Roger Lindsj|)
Re: Free ISP for Linux? ("MH")
Re: Windows 2000 magazine admits Open Source software is more secure. ("MH")
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (Giuliano Colla)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! (Stefan Ohlsson)
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,alt.linux.sucks
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 14:04:10 +0200
"Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
> > > Wrong. They are standard tools on any machine that's meant to be
> > > networked. Also, the NT 4 versions of telnet and ftp are pretty
> > > bad, in the sense that they don't match the UNIX standard, and are
> > > slow. Don't know about 2000 -- have only used the ftp built into
> > > Internet Excruciator.
> >
> > Assuming that you mean IE, there is no FTP built into it.
>
> Sure there is, just enter a URL such as ftp://ftp.downloadtheworld.com,
> pick the directory, the file, and "Save As".
That is no FTP client, it's highly limited. (Netscape too, btw)
You can't issue commands, can't do a lot things that the basic ftp client
will give you.
> > There is FTP browsing, is that what you mean? It's by no means FTP
client.
> > Have you check ftp & telnet in windows? the commands?
> > They are cli commands, very fast ones, IMO.
>
> I see what you're getting at. I've run the telnet and ftp clients in
> Windows. Not impressed. Try the Linux versions. Much faster, especially
> the screen updates. Windows slowness may be due to its crappy CLI
> box, CMD.EXE, though.
You need to configure them, of course.
Take, telnet, for example.
By defualt, it doesn't tell you what you write, and give you minimal
messages (I'd a problem with my email, so I tried to login via telnet, got
very cryptic there when you only get things like +OK or +ERR)
You've to do SET LOCAL_ECHO, and then you get better telnet.
never had a problem with ftp client in windows. (talking about the native
one, of course)
it's very fast, and the only problem I've with it is that I've to remember
all the commands (OTOH, getright can be a good reference :) )
> > > The first two are for browsers (although, HA HA, they do give you
> > > and all your friends and enemies access to the operating system
itself).
> > > I haven't seen wsh, but I'd guess up front that it's a half-assed
> > > implementation, unless a third-party wrote it. Batch files...
> > > useful, but very very week.
> >
> > You just revealed your complete lack of knowledge in windows, you are
aware
> > of it?
> > VBscript & Jscript are much more than browser-only scripting. And there
is
> > *very* little they can do from the browser to your system unless you
> > autorize them to do it.
> > WSH is very powerful, as is VBA.
> > Badmouthing things you admit knowing nothing about isn't very...
reasonable,
> > is it?
>
> Sure, VBA is powerful, but so what? I do know you can use it in Word,
> Excel, and other apps, but, again, so what? There are other avenues
> for writing pseudo-apps. Anyway, I'm willing to listen... where else
> can you use VBscript and JavaScript?
Sorry, that was a typo, I meant VBS
You create a .VBS or .JS files, and write the instructions that you want to
them.
Very simply, very powerful, especially since VB & JS can call to other
stuff. (Email, Word, Excel, ODBC, OLE, Graphics, and so on)
> By the way, I'm learning JavaScript right now. It is cool. However,
> it has even more tricky behavior than C++, and it is not at all suitable
> for a programming project of any real size. For web stuff, it looks
pretty
> neat.
I have to agree, JS isn't a lot of fun. Especially when you are doing ASP
(javascripts are lower case, but ASP commands aren't.)
> >
> > What are cron's capabilities?
>
> I'll have to get back to you on that <grin>. I haven't used it enough,
> just read the man pages, and stopped some RedHat cron jobs from disturbing
> my computing.
>
> > Trust me, most people don't *want* to memorize 50 character string just
to
> > check their mail. Or learn how to use vi in order to write their term
> > papers.
>
> No, instead they have to memorize 20-step mouse-click sequences and a
> variety of do's and don'ts. I agree Word is handy for term papers.
> But, having mastered vi and a couple of text-processing languages,
> I find it much faster to use vi and a good filter. GUI editors make
> it very difficult to perform certain repetitive tasks. But, hey,
> Word works pretty well, too, as long as you stick to one version.
To do what?
If you are talking about email.
I just open Outlook (from the quick launch menu bar, really conveniant), and
it automatically connects to my mail servers and download all my mail for
me.
Assuming this is a new computer, I open outlook, it ask me to provide things
like name, email, pop & smtp server, username & password and then go and
fetch my mail for me.
One click to check my mail, a wizard to set it up.
Can you please inform me what you can do in Vi that you can't in Word.
Or even what you can do much more easily in Vi than in Word.
> > > I agree, a lot of this GUI stuff is bloatware, Gnome/KDE included.
> > > However, in Linux you have a wide variety of window managers,
including
> > > some with fairly low overhead. With Windoze, you're stuck with one
> > > window manager. Even in Win 3.1 you could at least find other choices
> > > (from Norton, for example).
> >
> > You can do the *same* for win9x/nt, but you didn't really look, did you?
>
> Sure, but I don't really care about custom window themes. I'll try them
> if they ship with the system, but, ah, won't go to the web to further
> cripple the Windoze experience.
Actually, I wasn't talking about themes, I was talking about litestep (just
one example, there is one more, I think) it gives windows a whole new look.
Basically allowing you to skin it.
And if you don't care about custom window themes, why do you complain about
it?
For that matter, what do you complain about the single windows manager in
windows.
> > You *obviously* don't know windows.
> > Windows key + R (or Ctrl+Esc, R)
> > type something like: c:\my documents\1999\class
> > projects\programming\cpp\myfile.cpp (just to emulate the long
directories.)
> > and it launch the default program that open this file.
> > I don't want it to go to the defualt program, not problem.
> > <application name> <file path>
> > You don't have to go through all the parent directories unless you want
to.
>
> Well, using the Run command is pretty common (I do use Windoze quite a
bit,
> every goddam day, in fact). But I don't consider that a GUI feature or
> a command-line feature. It doesn't support more than one previous
command,
> variable prompts, or other conveniences of your average UNIX command-line
> shell.
Pardon? Run has a list of 25 or 50 last commands, including variable promts,
btw.
CMD has the same, you can enable it in DOS/Win9x by typing doskey (I think,
no too sure as it's been awhile since I used it)
> Still, I will grant that Windows can be useful. Also very frustrating
> and clumsy compared to Linux.
How?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stefan Ohlsson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: 2.4 Kernel Delays.
Date: 4 Nov 2000 13:21:26 +0100
Bruce Schuck wrote:
>"Stefan Ohlsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> So what are the specs of the machines used? The article didn't say that,
>> only how many CPU's there were. Were the Linux and Windows tests performed
>> on identical hardware? Similar hardware? Was the Solaris box equivalent
>> in power to the others?
>
>The answer is here:
>http://www.zdnet.com/pcmag/stories/reviews/0,6755,2551189,00.html
>
Although I think they could have used identical hardware for all of Windows,
NetWare and Linux it looks like a fair setup.
Of course, RH6.1 (Why not 6.2?) that was used in this test uses the 2.2.x
kernel. It will be interesting to see how a 2.4.x kernel tackles it.
/Stefan
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[ Stefan Ohlsson ] · http://www.mds.mdh.se/~dal95son/ · [ StrICQ# 17519554 ]
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From: "Sam Morris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 12:36:44 -0000
> > The quickest and easiest way for a sysadmin to neuter VBScript "viruses"
is
> > to just set the default handler for a .vbs file to notepad (or some
other
> > editor) and distribute the setting as a .reg file. Of course, your
users
> > that normally run a lot of .vbs files by just double clicking on them
might
> > get a tad annoyed.
>
> And thus, you touch upon the ENTIRE problem of the windows paradigm...
> that each type of file is ONLY to be used by one specific executable,
> and no other.
Sorry Aaron, but once again you're wrong.
> Aaron R. Kulkis
{Mother of all snips}
--
Cheers,
Sam
_o/
>\
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux growth rate explosion!
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 14:41:31 +0200
"Andrew Suprun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:PQJM5.9542$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bruce Schuck) wrote in
> <y7FM5.121648$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> >My list includes tools like Access. And a free web server that kicks ass
> >with dynamic content and even beats Apache with static content delivery.
> >And many many other great things about Win2K.
>
> Your "free" web server is not exactly free.
> What the price difference between W2K Professional
> and W2K Server? The difference is the price of your
> "free" web server.
> Quality and performance of your "free" server is
> another question. Can you specify how exactly it
> "kicks ass with dynamic content"?
W2K pro comes with IIS5, just to let you know.
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From: Roberto Teixeira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux growth rate explosion!
Date: 04 Nov 2000 10:51:30 -0500
>>>>> "AR" == Ayende Rahien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
AR> W2K pro comes with IIS5, just to let you know.
And how much does W2K pro cost again?
--
Roberto Teixeira
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux growth rate explosion!
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 14:41:36 +0200
"2:1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Bruce Schuck wrote:
> >
> > "2:1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > John Hughes wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "2:1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > <snip>
> > > > >
> > > > > And you seem incapable of grasping that anyone would want more
then MS
> > > > > Office.
> > > > >
> > > > > Fool
> > > > >
> > > > > -Ed
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > So, whats better than MS Office? Show me it and I might want it.
> > >
> > > My point is not that there are / are not better office suites, but
> > > people may not even want office suites. He seems to be under the
> > > illusion that all anyone wants is a microsoft office suite.
> > >
> > > I for one want (and have) a set of compiled and interpreted languages
> > > and a typesetter.
> > >
> > > I have only a limited use for an office suite.
> >
> > Well ... Ofice does allow you to program in VBA and compile VBA. WSH
does
> > the same thing with VBscript and Jscript.
>
> What's WSH?
Windows Scripting Host
Also check VBS & JS files
> > Perl and Python and a whole bunch of other languages are avialble now.
And
> > will be available as part of .NET with the same interface and compile to
the
> > CLR.
>
> Will (future tense). I want and have had them for the past 2 years.
Is, Active Perl allow you to run perl scripts.
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: so REALLY, what's the matter with Microsoft?
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 08:09:36 -0500
Bruce Schuck wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Give an example of a fix that was only available by purchasing an
> > > upgrade,
> > > > > c'mon back up you fud with a fact.
> > > > >
> > > > http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q175/6/29.ASP
> > > >
> > > > Note that the downloadable fixes are not regression tested, and are
> > > > dated 1998, and the fixes do not apply to Windows 95, only SR2 and
> > > > higher.
> > > >
> > > > The only "tested" fix is to purchase Windows 98
> > >
> > > But in this case, the situation is only a performance hit. Not a serious
> > > error.
> >
> > You asked for an example here you have one.
>
> Of a serious problem.
No of "A" problem, and this was the first that I had found, there are
many more if you care to look.
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > I don't expect Microsoft to keep writing drivers for old operating
> systems.
> > >
> > > Support stops for all OS's eventually.
> >
> > Yes, and it is not free to upgrade. That is the point.
>
> For a trivial issue.
I do not consider this a trivial issue.
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > When Linux starts supplying drivers for even 1/100th of the hardware
> windows
> > > supports I'll be amazed.
> >
> > Irrelevent
>
> Relevant.
>
> Anyway, if thats the best example you could come up with then you lose.
This is not the "best" example, it an "an" example. There are many more
if you care to do the searching through the MSKB. I suspect you may not
want to know, hence this whole thread.
It was ONE example (which was asked for, "just one" remember?) that
Microsoft will not fix known problems in their products, and require an
upgrade. The date of this problem was 1998, Windows 95 was still very
much relevant at the time, and Microsoft's options to the user where:
Live with crappy performance, if you have a newer version of 95 you can
download a questionable patch, or buy Windows 98.
This is exactly the point that is being made. Whether or not you like my
example, is irrelevant. It is evidence that supports my claim. I further
assert that this happens often. Here are a few more:
http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q222/1/30.ASP
http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q194/1/78.ASP
http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q143/4/24.asp
These are just a few, there well over 90 pages returned by a search, and
these were in the first few pages, and these are only Windows 9x and ME
issues, I haven't touched NT or applications issues yet.
It is a clearly a policy of MS to drive cash flow from bug fixes.
This is a fun one:
http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q227/6/17.ASP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
STATUS
Microsoft has confirmed this to be a design limitation in the
Microsoft products listed at the beginning of this article.
An update to the system kernel to enhance local descriptor table
management was incorporated into Windows Millennium
Edition, which reduces the possibility of CreateDIBSection failure.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<
--
http://www.mohawksoft.com
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From: gm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 13:10:13 GMT
On Sat, 04 Nov 2000 00:28:01 -0500, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Sam Morris wrote:
>>
>> > But when the e-mail comes from one's supervisor, the tendancy is
>> > to trust it.
>>
>> And this is the fault of the OS how?
>
>The entire Microsoft paradigm is nothing more than a gilded-brick
>road to hell
What does that have to do with your silly notion that an email from
one's supervisor having anything to do with an OS liability?
>NTFS is a childish toy.
The permissions work. In what SPECIFIC way do you think it's a "toy" ?
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux growth rate explosion!
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 14:57:11 +0200
"2:1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Bruce Schuck wrote:
> >
> > "2:1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > John Hughes wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "2:1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > <snip>
> > > > >
> > > > > And you seem incapable of grasping that anyone would want more
then MS
> > > > > Office.
> > > > >
> > > > > Fool
> > > > >
> > > > > -Ed
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > So, whats better than MS Office? Show me it and I might want it.
> > >
> > > My point is not that there are / are not better office suites, but
> > > people may not even want office suites. He seems to be under the
> > > illusion that all anyone wants is a microsoft office suite.
> > >
> > > I for one want (and have) a set of compiled and interpreted languages
> > > and a typesetter.
> > >
> > > I have only a limited use for an office suite.
> >
> > Well ... Ofice does allow you to program in VBA and compile VBA. WSH
does
> > the same thing with VBscript and Jscript.
>
> What's WSH?
Windows Scripting Host
Also check VBS & JS files
> > Perl and Python and a whole bunch of other languages are avialble now.
And
> > will be available as part of .NET with the same interface and compile to
the
> > CLR.
>
> Will (future tense). I want and have had them for the past 2 years.
Is, Active Perl allow you to run perl scripts.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux growth rate explosion!
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 14:57:15 +0200
"2:1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Bruce Schuck wrote:
> >
> > "2:1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > John Hughes wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "2:1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > <snip>
> > > > >
> > > > > And you seem incapable of grasping that anyone would want more
then MS
> > > > > Office.
> > > > >
> > > > > Fool
> > > > >
> > > > > -Ed
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > So, whats better than MS Office? Show me it and I might want it.
> > >
> > > My point is not that there are / are not better office suites, but
> > > people may not even want office suites. He seems to be under the
> > > illusion that all anyone wants is a microsoft office suite.
> > >
> > > I for one want (and have) a set of compiled and interpreted languages
> > > and a typesetter.
> > >
> > > I have only a limited use for an office suite.
> >
> > Well ... Ofice does allow you to program in VBA and compile VBA. WSH
does
> > the same thing with VBscript and Jscript.
>
> What's WSH?
Windows Scripting Host
Also check VBS & JS files
> > Perl and Python and a whole bunch of other languages are avialble now.
And
> > will be available as part of .NET with the same interface and compile to
the
> > CLR.
>
> Will (future tense). I want and have had them for the past 2 years.
Is, Active Perl allow you to run perl scripts.
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: so REALLY, what's the matter with Microsoft?
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 08:37:39 -0500
JS/PL wrote:
>
> "markw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Bruce Schuck wrote:
> >
> > > "mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > JS/PL wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > JS/PL wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Andy Newman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > > > In article <8tk12f$614$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Christopher
> Smith
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Which "fixes" are present in Win98 you can't download for
> free ?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Similarly with NT, perhaps you've heard of service packs ?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You didn't get it did you. All versions of Win are fixes
> > > > > > > > to the previous one. It's only recently with Win2K that
> > > > > > > > they're getting the complete set of functions together in
> > > > > > > > a package that's half-well implemented. It's taken long
> > > > > > > > enough.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Win2k isn't just a fix of NT4.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > True, this time they broke more than they fixed ;-)
> > > > >
> > > > > What are you talking about? What's broken? I've been using it since
> the
> > > > > final betas and havent had a single system crash. What is broken in
> > > > > Windows2000?
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Windows.Net (Whistler) due out in the spring isn't a fix for
> WinME
> > > or
> > > > > Win9x.
> > > > > > > So you are wrong. All versions of Windows aren't fixes to the
> > > previous
> > > > > one,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No, but often the only fix to a Windows problem is to purchase an
> > > > > > upgrade to a new version.
> > > > >
> > > > > Give an example of a fix that was only available by purchasing an
> > > upgrade,
> > > > > c'mon back up you fud with a fact.
> > > > >
> > > > http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q175/6/29.ASP
> > > >
> > > > Note that the downloadable fixes are not regression tested, and are
> > > > dated 1998, and the fixes do not apply to Windows 95, only SR2 and
> > > > higher.
> > > >
> > > > The only "tested" fix is to purchase Windows 98
> > >
> > > But in this case, the situation is only a performance hit. Not a serious
> > > error.
> >
> > You asked for an example here you have one.
>
> It's not an example of a fix that required the purchase of an upgrade, the
> page is an example of a fix made available *without* having to purchase an
> upgrade.
ONLY if you have Windows SR2 or higher.
> The article specifically states
>
> "To resolve this problem immediately, contact Microsoft Technical Support to
> obtain the fix. If you are not severely impacted by this specific problem,
> Microsoft recommends that you wait for the next service pack that contains
> this fix."
Again, only if you have SR2 or higher. Not for Windows 95.
You didn't copy this line:
"A supported fix for Windows 98 and for Windows 95 OEM Service Release
2, 2.1 and 2.5"
Which means Windows 95 users don't get it unless they upgrade.
--
http://www.mohawksoft.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roger Lindsj|)
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux growth rate explosion!
Date: 4 Nov 2000 13:41:07 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>John Hughes wrote:
>>
>> "2:1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> <snip>
>> >
>> > And you seem incapable of grasping that anyone would want more then MS
>> > Office.
>> >
>> > Fool
>> >
>> > -Ed
>> >
>>
>> So, whats better than MS Office? Show me it and I might want it.
>
>Star Office. And it's only $40.
Isn't it free if you want to download it? I think it is even open source now.
Roger Lindsjö
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From: "MH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: chi.internet
Subject: Re: Free ISP for Linux?
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 08:43:10 -0500
> I've tried to register with them, but every time I get
> some weird error on their website, and unlike many other
> free ISPs you can't use their software to create an
> account totally independent of browser quirks.
You'll never have anything "independent of browser quirks" while you have
Netscape as your "premier" browser. Better get used to quirks!
> > > How about with "Wine"? (the Windows emulator
> > > that comes with some Linux installations).
>
> Tsk tsk. You know that WINE means
> "Wine Is Not an Emulator!" :)
Exactly stated.
Exactly why it's limited in its use.
And why most users don't bother with it.
I read somewhere that OS X will include a true emulator to run Mac software
(such as office and I.E.) --note the maker of the most valued "Mac
software" --on top of the "new" OS. Of course new == Unix. So, new again ==
30 year old technology.
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From: "MH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 magazine admits Open Source software is more secure.
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 08:48:46 -0500
> >Particularly the ones where Red Hat was compromised and trojan code was
allowed
> >to be inserted and was released as final product by Red Hat themselves.
>
> As usual, you are a blatent liar.
Be careful. You may get sued because you "defamed" him.
That's cola-speak for:
("I seem unable to substantiate my dubious resume and my pedantic ramblings
don't seem effective interference --so, I'll use the old sue you trick")
ROTFFLMAO!
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From: Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 13:52:20 GMT
Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> "Giuliano Colla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> > > runas command.
> >
> > Could you give some details? There's no trace of runas in NT on-line
> > doc, I tried help runas and I got sort of " no help available for runas,
> > try runas /?". I tried runas /? to be told that /? is neither an
> > executable nor a batch file. Maybe it does a lot, but documentation
> > appears a bit concise!
>
> Start>Run>Help>Index
> Write "runas", and it will take you to the runas CLI & GUI explanations.
That's exactly what I've done in a couple of boxes (one
running NT4 sp4, the other NT4 sp5), but I didnt't get
anything between "Run" and Running". The same holds true for
Start>Help>Find. Then I tried "help runas" and "runas /?"
and only discovered that runas was there. That's why I was
asking.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stefan Ohlsson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: 4 Nov 2000 14:57:18 +0100
Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>>Who says we don't? Kevin Mitnick's "worm" was highly prolific,
>>somewhat destructive (because of bandwidth), and resulted in his
>>being forbidden to touch a computer ever again and serving time, AFAIK.
>
>1) That was Morris's, not Mitnick
>2) it was a buffer-over run attack -- all such code was removed from
> Unix within a couple of months .. ie. 1988
>3) 12 years later, Microsoft products are still open to buffer
> overrun attacks.
>
So is Unix, like Solaris. Check rootshell.com. Less vulnerable
to remote exploits, perhaps.
/Stefan
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[ Stefan Ohlsson ] · http://www.mds.mdh.se/~dal95son/ · [ StrICQ# 17519554 ]
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