Linux-Advocacy Digest #35, Volume #32 Wed, 7 Feb 01 14:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: I don't understand ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?) (Nick Condon)
Re: Aaron R Kulkis (chrisv)
Re: KULKIS IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT (chrisv)
Re: X-windows sucks..sucks...sucks!!!! (Peter Hayes)
Re: Wy Linux will/is failing on the desktop (Peter Hayes)
Re: how come you have to reboot when you change DNS servers in Windows? (Peter Hayes)
Re: Storm Linux & Applixware (chrisv)
Re: KULKIS IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT (jim dutton)
Wondering what the deal is with this page: ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?) (Craig Kelley)
Re: Wy Linux will/is failing on the desktop (Peter Hayes)
Re: XFS 1.0 is getting close! (Stuart Krivis)
Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell ("Simon Palko")
Re: I don't understand ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell ("Unknown Poster")
Re: Would linux hackers like an OpenS windows? ("Edward Rosten")
Re: AARON R. KULKIS HAS NO LIFE AND ASSUMES NOBODY ELSE DOES EITHER ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: ERIK FUNKENBUSH CAN'T TELL US ***WHAT*** .NET IS ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell ("Unknown Poster")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: I don't understand
Date: 7 Feb 2001 15:38:37 GMT
Bruce Scott TOK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <95rldc$h7l$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Bruce Scott TOK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> In article <95r35u$gk7$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Edward Rosten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>It seems to be a standard measure among winvocates and some linvocates to
>>>>quote the number of things you can do at once to prove the OS is good.
>>>>Fair enough, *but* why do some people claim thay can play several MP3s at
>>>>once?
>>>>
>>>>Why in hells name would would you want to do that? The din must be awful.
>>>>
>>>>Just wondering
>>
>>> Maybe typical nerdiness. But the ability to play several mp3s at once
>>> is the same as the ability to compile several large codes, run a few of
>>> them, and read and write news all at once. This many of us do
>>> regularly.
>>
>>Actually, my DJ friend depends on this ability and makes about 1500 dollars
>>a week utilizing it.
> This is comparable to the income of a research scientist living off the
> same capability...
Except that she works about 20 hours per week.
=====.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nick Condon)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?)
Date: 7 Feb 2001 16:30:49 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ayende Rahien) wrote in
<95oeor$8cc$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>"David Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:95lq9j$sbt$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>> Ayende Rahien wrote in message
>> <95lj67$5ck$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>> >
>> >"." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> > > I hope it wont. I use Win98 at home because I like to play
>> >> > > games. However, each successive release of Windows appears to
>> >> > > be trying to
>> >take
>> >> > > more and more control out of my hands, which I will not permit
>> >> > > on
>my
>> >> > > computer.
>> >> >
>> >> > You want to talk about 9x and control? LOL.
>> >>
>> >> Yep. I'm not talking about the control you need in a work
>> >> environment, control over security - I knew MS was pretty short on
>> >> that when I first installed Win98.
>> >>
>> >> I'm talking about freedom and control over my own personal machine.
>> >> I can do almost anything I damn well please under 98, including
>> >> useful tasks like creating a bootdisk (fuck you, WinME). Win98
>> >> almost never pops up and says "You cannot do this", and if it does,
>> >> I can bloody
>well
>> >> get to DOS and do it anyway.
>> >
>> >Well, I suggest that you would wait and get Whistler when it's out.
>> >Really cool OS, and none of the you-are-too-stupid-to-use-this
>> >nonesense from ME.
>> >And, anyway, rumor says that Whistler personal will be only 50$ - 90$
>> >(For comparison, ME (and 2K upgrade) is $169.99 )
>> >
>>
>> And you believe these rumors? Even if they turn out to be true,
>> upgrading seldom works well
>
>I said it's a rumor, because I can't confirm it.
>AFAIK, it should be the price for the whole product, not just the
>upgrade. Regardless, you can do an upgrade on a clean system, you just
>need a prior version of windows' cd to show the installation program.
Is that just Whistler, or the can the Win98 upgrade be made to do this too?
--
Nick
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From: chrisv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Aaron R Kulkis
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 16:39:55 GMT
Shane Phelps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Well, *I* thought my TI58 was pretty hot stuff
It was! I had the TI58C also! Cool!
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From: chrisv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: KULKIS IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 16:46:51 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>chrisv writes:
>
>> Sheesh, can't you morons trim your posts?
>
>Who are the alleged morons here?
You and Kulkis.
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From: Peter Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: X-windows sucks..sucks...sucks!!!!
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 16:46:01 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mark Styles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Wed, 07 Feb 2001 00:06:40 +0000, Peter Hayes
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >On Tue, 06 Feb 2001 06:54:16 -0500, mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Aside from your ranting, name one thing that is wrong with X that can't be
> > > addressed ?
> >The one thing about X that I don't like is that there seems no way to
> >change resolution without keeping the desktop at the size of the highest
> >resolution, unlike Windows.
> Why would you want to?
Why wouldn't you want to, more like.
Dialog boxes and error messages can and do pop up somewhere on your virtual
desktop but out of sight of your real desktop. Why is this app not
responding? It's waiting for input to the hidden dialog box.
Nope, virtual desktops are a Grade One Bad Idea (tm). If you want one, fine
by me, but I'd like the option to keep the virtual desktop the same as the
real desktop.
Peter
--
In the 19th century surveyors measured the height of Everest
from 500 miles away in India.
This cannot be done today. Everest is no longer visible from
the survey location due to increased atmospheric pollution.
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From: Peter Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Wy Linux will/is failing on the desktop
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 16:46:03 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 6 Feb 2001 21:58:46 +0000, Pete Goodwin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
<deletia throughout of this troll>
> > 3. Linux is FREE for God sakes and it STILL cannot get any sizeable
> > market share. Do you Penguinista's have any idea what would happen if
> > Gates took out a full page ad in the Sunday NY Times and gave Whistler
> > away for free? There would be riots in the streets. Why? Because Gates
> > makes something that people want, and Linux does not. Editors,
> > compilers and megabytes of half finished code fragments ala Freshmeat
> > don't generate interest in an operating system.
>
> Windows costs money. Now in Whistler they're talking about a product
> activation code.
Any copy protection code one can put in, another can rip asunder. And don't
forget the copy protection code proposed for hard disks. Curiously,
Microsoft is opposed to that. I wonder why...
In any event, only the lemmings desperate to hold on to their Microsoft
based IT jobs will push for Whistler. Other than job security, why should
anyone push for yet another round of the Microsoft upgrade cycle, with more
and more bizarre features like .NET consuming gigabytes of disk space.
Imagine - an OS needing over a gig to provide an environment allowing you
to type a letter and surf the net.
I suspect many IT managers and company executives will have a reality
check, and decide enough is enough. The uptake of Whistler will be even
lower than that of Win2k.
> > 6.Hardware support under Linux is a highly mixed bag.
Doesn't Win2k have a hardware compatability list? As did NT4. As will
Whistler.
> > 7. How about fragmentation. Linux currently has God knows how many
> > distributions with their own package management solutions and source
> > tree and so forth. Some are semi-compatible with others but unless you
> > really know what you are doing you risk rendering your system useless
> > mixing and matching.
Install from source. ./configure && make && make install (as root) is no
big deal. The developer could package the thing in some fancy wrapper to
impress those that like being impressed by appearance rather than function.
Or provide static binaries for those who want to get on with using the
apps, nothing wrong there - just a different approach.
Peter
--
In the 19th century surveyors measured the height of Everest
from 500 miles away in India.
This cannot be done today. Everest is no longer visible from
the survey location due to increased atmospheric pollution.
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From: Peter Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: how come you have to reboot when you change DNS servers in Windows?
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 16:46:04 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 6 Feb 2001 04:53:23 -0600, "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> "jtnews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > I was trying to experiment with
> > various networking options in windows
> > 98se and for each little different
> > configuration like changing a DNS server
> > I had to reboot windows. Why is that?
>
> The reason is not quite as difficult as you might imagine. The 9x TCP/IP
> stack initializes at boot, and once initialized it can't be changed.
You say that as if it were a law of nature, like gravity or the speed of
light. It's just a bad design decision, no more, no less.
> > Does Win2K require you to do the same thing?
>
> No. With Win2k you can add or change DNS, WINS, DHCP, IP Addresses,
> whatever.. no reboot necessary. Actually, with NT4 you didn't have to
> either, even though it asked you to reboot.
Haven't we been round this loop before?
>
> > How come in Linux you can turn the networking
> > interfaces on and off and configure whatever you
> > want without doing any reboot?
>
> Because Linux was designed differently from 9x.
Which translated means "Linux was designed as a true multi-tasking,
multi-user OS that you couldn't just reboot when you felt like it because
all your other users would get really hacked off at losing their work every
time you wanted to alter some small configuration detail".
>
> > Can't Microsoft make Windows more like Linux
> > in this regard?
>
> Not 9x.
Or NT4 or, to a lesser extent, Win2k, because the need to reboot is built
into Microsoft's design philosophy.
In Robert X Cringely's "Triumph of the Nerds" an Apple employee recalls
Jobs enthusiasm for shaving seconds off the boot process. "Imagine how many
man-years will be lost worldwide if booting takes five seconds longer than
necessary". I wonder how many man-millenia have already been lost to the
endless Microsoft fetish for rebooting.
Or person-millenia, if you prefer...
Peter
--
In the 19th century surveyors measured the height of Everest
from 500 miles away in India.
This cannot be done today. Everest is no longer visible from
the survey location due to increased atmospheric pollution.
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From: chrisv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Storm Linux & Applixware
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 17:02:18 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In any event, it turned out to be a not-so-good idea. Shifting from
>4-cylinders to 8-cylinders was hard on the crankshafts. Apparently,
>there were problems with cracks (and worse).
Mercedes is doing this same thing on their new V12. It cuts back to
inline-6 operation under light load.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jim dutton)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: KULKIS IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT
Date: 7 Feb 2001 17:04:54 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
chrisv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>>chrisv writes:
>>
>>> Sheesh, can't you morons trim your posts?
>>
>>Who are the alleged morons here?
>
>You and Kulkis.
Don't be jealous of Aarons war record.
Some people are do'ers.
Others just call people names on usenet.
THAT man is a war hero.
-Jeem, you'd be speaking Iraqi and blowing Saddams pipes if it wasn't for him.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Wondering what the deal is with this page:
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 17:24:18 GMT
http://www.qosina.com/~awm/apache/linux-tcp.html
Did they they a bad Linux experience, or what???
Sent via Deja.com
http://www.deja.com/
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From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?)
Date: 07 Feb 2001 10:56:15 -0700
"Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Well, we'll see who gets the last laugh, but pardon us if we don't
> grimmace a little. You see, the same things you guys say about Linux
> (it taking over Windows and such) are the same things we've heard
> from the aformentioned OSen. The same thing, really. DrDOS, MacOS,
> Amiga, OS/2, etc. They all claimed victory, and then faded away
> into the night.
>
> Fortunately, Linux will come with a little more dignified fate than
> the rest, but it will fade away into obscurity rather than the night.
> Support and development for it will fade when the next big thing comes
> out. Corporations will fight over the "rights" to Linux, extensive
> legal battles will ensure. Consumer confidence will be shattered and
> Linux will become yet another page in the history books.
>
> The "next big thing" seems to be a problem. A major project comes up,
> attracts a lot of developers, then something else comes up, some of
> the developers leave for that, then another project, some more leave
> for that. By the time it's all said and done, you don't have enough
> new developers joining the cause and all the existing developers are
> strapped so thin that nothing ever really gets accomplished. A bunch
> of half-developed beta-ware is all that sees the light of day. No
> one trusts it because it's so buggy and untested (due to lack of
> resources) that no one uses it.
>
> It's only a matter of time, really.
Perhaps Linux won't be the next big thing, but the next big thing
*will* be open sourced software. Consumers will not continue paying
for commodity software forever. People are already hard pressed to
tell the difference between Office 97 and Office 2000 (much less
Windows 98se and Windows ME) -- can you imagine the situation in which
Office 2027 is competing with Office 2029?
Nobody will care. They will use the free software that works just
like it always has. Commercial software will be relegate to quckly
evolving markets like games and hospital managment.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: Peter Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Wy Linux will/is failing on the desktop
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 17:58:18 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 7 Feb 2001 04:21:40 -0600, "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> I didn't say that. I said 66% couldn't even get it to work, that's not the
> same thing.
So did this sample all try to install Linux on a machine previously
configured for Windows? Because if so then we need an equal sample all
trying to *install* Windows on a machine currently configured for Linux,
and see how well they get on. Of course Windows won't give you a disk
partitioning utility to allow you to make room for Linux. Of course Windows
will assume there's no other OS on the machine and crap all over your boot
loader. Etc, etc, etc. Level playing field, please.
Peter
--
In the 19th century surveyors measured the height of Everest
from 500 miles away in India.
This cannot be done today. Everest is no longer visible from
the survey location due to increased atmospheric pollution.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stuart Krivis)
Subject: Re: XFS 1.0 is getting close!
Date: 5 Feb 2001 05:40:35 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 01 Feb 2001 07:10:23 GMT, J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 06:32:12 GMT, J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >No, the xfs beta is not meant for non-technical end users
>> >such as flatfish - it was meant for techies, not whiners.
>>
>> Sounds like a perfect match for Linux.
>>
>> >We'll let you know when it's included in a shrink wrapped
>> >distribution.
>>
>> Chances are it won't install properly then either.
>
>Not much chance of that, monkey boy!
Well, they did use RedHat for the install... :-)
I found XFS to be quite good, but I couldn't stand RH 7.
--
Stuart Krivis
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From: "Simon Palko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,rec.games.frp.dnd
Subject: Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 12:25:00 -0500
"G3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> in article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Cerberus AOD at
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 2/6/01 12:50 AM:
>
> > :)>(Just wish they had Personal Websharing for it. )
> >
> > Personal websharing?
> *sigh* Winblows calls it personal webserver now that I think of it, the
> cheezy built in web server that USED to let me download files on the pc to
> my mac, now I can only go one way. :(
Err... why not just install and use IIS? It's phenomenally easy (although
not as easy as PWS) to set up for a simple, local webpage. Every Win2k CD
has it sitting there, you just need to go into the Windows Components
section of the Add/Remove Programs CP and add it. Fun fun fun!
--
-Simon Palko
"More fun than a barrel of monkeys... with dynamite strapped to their
backs!"
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I don't understand
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 18:30:12 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Bruce Scott TOK"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <95r35u$gk7$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Edward Rosten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>>It seems to be a standard measure among winvocates and some linvocates
>>to quote the number of things you can do at once to prove the OS is
>>good. Fair enough, *but* why do some people claim thay can play several
>>MP3s at once?
>>
>>Why in hells name would would you want to do that? The din must be
>>awful.
>>
>>Just wondering
Not counting DJing:
> Maybe typical nerdiness. But the ability to play several mp3s at once
> is the same as the ability to compile several large codes, run a few of
Not really. Compiling several things at once and posting news is useful
(I have done it a few times after downloading some tarballs). However
(for the casual user, not DJ) playing more than one MP3 at once, is quite
frankly horrible.
> them, and read and write news all at once. This many of us do
> regularly.
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: "Unknown Poster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,rec.games.frp.dnd
Subject: Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 13:38:35 -0500
"Karel Jansens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
>
> Define "consumer".
>
> --
I don't know about him, but to me 'consumer' means John Q. Public
who goes into Best Buy, or Comp USA, or any other store and
purchases a computer that (s)he is able to take home, unbox,
plug in, and start using.
*nix isn't even close.
Windows 2K/9x is closer, but you still need to look at
a manual once in a while, and tweak a setting or three.
MacOS *is* a consumer OS. That much they got right.
The sad thing is the lack of consumer software, due to
the small market share for the Mac.
> Regards,
>
>
> Karel Jansens
>
> ==============================
> "Go go gadget Windows." Crash!
> ==============================
>
Jason W.
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Would linux hackers like an OpenS windows?
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 18:40:48 +0000
>> But got may have noticed that in C, they aren't. That said, gotos do
>> not preclude structured programming (read Structured programming with
>> gotos, by D. E. Knuth).
>
> Mostly aimed at languages like Fortran which has an incomplete set of
> flow-control structures.
Nope. According to Knuth, it was to demonstrate that structured
programming was a method not an implementation, and therefore it could be
implemented with gotos.
> with the inclusion of break and the fact that a function can exit at any
> time, the need for goto is exceedingly rare in C.
True. And the gotos I have used recently have been setjmp/longjmp
pairs for bailing out of deeply nested functions when an error occurs.
> Certainly not 5% of the source code lines.
That's horrendous.
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: AARON R. KULKIS HAS NO LIFE AND ASSUMES NOBODY ELSE DOES EITHER
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 13:56:46 -0500
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:Zi8g6.6368$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:63Pf6.560$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > Thanks but no thanks...Windows 2000 Professional is the end of the
> > line
> > > > > for
> > > > > > me. Whistler is totally unnecessary and .NET will NEVER pollute one
> > of my
> > > > > > machines. It's about as transparent a money vacuum as DIVX was. We
> > will
> > > > > > neither utilize it nor develop for it - period. It is something to
> > be
> > > > > > viewed with disdain, not anticipation. Only the severely
> > short-sighted
> > > > > > would actually welcome such a system.
> > > > >
> > > > > Spoken just like someone without a clue about what .NET is.
> > > > >
> > > > > (HINT: The subscription based services are only a tiny part of it,
> > and
> > > > > something that very few .NET programs will take advantage of. If this
> > is
> > > > > the only argument you can come up with, you're going to be quite
> > surprised).
> > > >
> > > > OK, Erik The-laughably-named...why don't you tell us *precisely* what
> > > > .NET is.....
> > >
> > > 15 hours, and NO answer from Erik.
> > >
> > > I wonder why
> >
> > Some people have lives outside of usenet.
>
> (Post through Erik)
> Aaron,
> I don't know if you've heard of it, but there's this new thing called the
> "World Wide Web". Yeah, it's great. You can "search" for things on
> "Search engines". It's really neat, you type in anything and it usually
> returns a couple results relative to your topic.
>
Funkenbusch is here spouting off with claims that .NET is the answer to
all of Microsoft's technical problems.
I'm just trying to get him to explain on what he is basing that opinion,
exactly.
So far, he has LOTS of hot air and no facts.
> You can also just type in an address and it will take you directly to
> the "web site".
>
> Try this one:
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/net/
>
> -Chad
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: ERIK FUNKENBUSH CAN'T TELL US ***WHAT*** .NET IS
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 13:57:27 -0500
John Hughes wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> <snip>
> >
> >
> > I'm merely asking you to tell us to define what .NET is.
> >
> >
> >
>
> Try reading these. Lots of links for your research needs.
>
> http://www.dotnetwire.com
> http://www.insidemicrosoft.net
None of which indicates if Funkenbusch knows what the fuck .NET really is.
I want *HIM* to explain it.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Unknown Poster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,rec.games.frp.dnd
Subject: Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 13:57:28 -0500
>
> Unix is the UNIVERSAL desktop at ***ALL*** automotive manufacturing design
> facilities...both at the automakers themselves, AND the *entire* supply
chain.
Bunk..my wife is a CAD operator for a firm that supplies the
clips that hold disk brake pads in place for 90% of the
cars manufactured by GM. They're on Windows NT 4.0
(soon to upgrade to Win2K), running AutoCad. I also know
the IT managers for 2 other companies in the same town who
supply stamped metal products to the Automotive industry--
both direct to factory, and aftermarket. They use NT 4.0 running
AutoCad as well.
So, it's not the *entire* supply chain. Some of the major manufacturers,
perhaps, but not the *entire*.
It's splitting hairs, I know but he's making the claim of 'entire'.
Jason W.
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