Linux-Advocacy Digest #37, Volume #30 Sat, 4 Nov 00 13:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: Why Linux is great ("James")
Re: Linux growth rate explosion! ("Ermine Todd III")
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("Ermine Todd III")
Re: Why Linux is great ("James")
Re: Why Linux is great ("Les Mikesell")
Re: More Certification ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Linux growth rate explosion! ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Linux growth rate explosion! ("Les Mikesell")
Directory Services for Linux ("Jeff Turley")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! (2:1)
Re: Why Linux is great ("James")
Re: Linux growth rate explosion! ("Bruce Schuck")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Bruce Schuck")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Bruce Schuck")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Bruce Schuck")
Re: IBM to BUY MICROSOFT!!!! ("Bruce Schuck")
Re: IBM to BUY MICROSOFT!!!! ("Bruce Schuck")
Re: 2.4 Kernel Delays. ("Bruce Schuck")
Re: 2.4 Kernel Delays. ("Bruce Schuck")
Re: Linux growth rate explosion! (Artur Biesiadowski)
Re: IBM to BUY MICROSOFT!!!!
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From: "James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Linux is great
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 17:42:20 +0200
"Donn Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Nick Condon wrote:
>
> > Take 'find' on Unix, for example. It's a hugely powerful and flexible
command that is
> > entirely without parallel on Windows. It has a bit of a learning curve,
but the time
> > I invested has paid off over the thousands and thousands of times I've
used it.
>
> Actually, the strength of Unix is that it has the right set of tools and
> the right interactions between them. So, if I need to delete a bunch of
> subdirs from a tree that had the names pkg, DESCR, and files, I could do
> something like:
>
> find /start_dir -type d | grep -E -i "pkg|descr|files" | xargs rm -rf
I do this much quicker and SAFER with Windows Commander :
Use WC find command, send to panel, and delete after checking !
>
> This allows me to delete those 3 directories igoring case. I actually
> had to do this on a FreeBSD system; there were about a hundred subdirs
> under /usr/ports that each had these 3 subdirs. So, my point is that,
> even if a single command such as find can't do exactly what you want,
> you can combine find with grep and xargs. That's what unix is all about
> - the right tools and the right interactions between the tools. Windows
> just has a few (mostly useless) cli tools and assorted arrays of (GUI)
> gadgets and goodies. And those are good too, up to a limit. That's
> what KDE is for.
>
> - Donn
>
>
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From: "Ermine Todd III" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux growth rate explosion!
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 07:38:54 -0800
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy
JSP was a direct copy of MSs ASP model. Every text on the subject notes
this. Furthermore, IIS actually has a built-in native mode for running
JSPs. You didn't know that? Well, it's relatively simple to implement, but
basically, you make a registry change to tell IIS that JSPs are just like
ASPs but that they use Java. Once you've done that, IIS natively, without
having to load something like ServletExec, can run JSPs.
--ET--
"Andrew Suprun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:dZUM5.10709$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Myers) wrote in
> <IyMM5.2795$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> [...]
> >ASP is the leading pre-processor and has many advantages
> >over competitors in rapid development, multi-tiered app
> >design, speed, flexibility, etc.
> >
> [...]
>
> That is why Microsoft is replacing it with ASP+ which is
> modeled after JSP, isn't it?
>
> Andrew.
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From: "Ermine Todd III" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 07:53:14 -0800
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Had to wait till I got home, but I've looked at my copy and I see the
Internet as well as the "Information Highway" is mentioned/discussed many
times. For what it's worth, I do have the first edition.
--ET--
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> John Hughes wrote:
> >
> > "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:FzzM5.12810$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > "John Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:27xM5.228$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >I think it was that well-known Microsoft megalomania that
prevented
> > > them
> > > > > >from seeing what was coming. Since they didn't have anything to
do
> > > with
> > > > > >it, they couldn't believe it was important.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Just to remain all of us, Bill Gates published in 95 book
> > > > > called "The Road Ahead" or something. He did not mention
> > > > > Internet in that book.
> > > > >
> > > > > Andrew.
> > > >
> > > > The word 'internet' is used 4 times on the first page.?
> > >
> > > Do you have the 2nd edition or the original? I heard there
> > > was a bit of historical revisionism done along the way
> > > but never bothered to check it out myself. Can anyone
> > > verify?
> > >
> >
> > Yes, its 2nd edition. Would have to re-write the entire book as its
mostly
> > about the internet.
>
> And that he did...because the EMBARASSING FIRST EDITION didn't
> mention the internet even once....as Bill was focused on his
> own AOL wannabe...MSN.
>
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
>
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Linux is great
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 17:56:52 +0200
... and is almost entirely useless as a corporate desktop.
I :
1. Cannot scan images from my USB scanner.
2. Cannot print to my USB printer.
3. Cannot read my GroupWise mail.
4. Cannot reliably share MS Office docs (what most companies use) with my
colleagues.
5. Cannot run SAP* for staff info.
6. Cannot document/read business processes (Visio Pro).
7. Cannot run BusinessObjects to access company warehouse.
8. Etc, etc, ....
This is apart from the fact that almost everyone I know would prefer the
Win2k interface to that of Linux (Gnome or KDE). In fact most users don't
give a damn about the OS they are using - they just want to get the job
done. That is why our company is migrating all desktops (some 25000+ to
Win2k).
Basically Linux is USELESS as a corporate desktop.
James
*Open to correction here.
"mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> Where else can you find a system, which can be downloaded for free, or
> any price for that matter, that has:
>
> Object Relation SQL database.
> C/C++ compiler
> Programming editors
> Office Packages
> Debuggers
> Network file servers
> Printer Servers
> Entire Internet service package
> remote administration tools
> e-mail servers/clients
> Choice of desktops
> Various programming languages besides C/C++
> Calendar programs
> CDR tools
>
> The list continues, 100s of utilities and tools, most (if not all) of
> what anyone would want to do with a computer.
>
> There is no reason to buy Windows or NT!
>
> --
> http://www.mohawksoft.com
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Linux is great
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 16:06:28 GMT
"James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:3a042e60$0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > Actually, the strength of Unix is that it has the right set of tools and
> > the right interactions between them. So, if I need to delete a bunch of
> > subdirs from a tree that had the names pkg, DESCR, and files, I could do
> > something like:
> >
> > find /start_dir -type d | grep -E -i "pkg|descr|files" | xargs rm -rf
>
> I do this much quicker and SAFER with Windows Commander :
>
> Use WC find command, send to panel, and delete after checking !
You don't need a special-purpose tool to get a visual check
of what the pipeline has at any point, you can redirect to
a file anywhere in the pipeline, examine or edit the result
and pick up by redirecting the file into the next command.
Or for something a bit more interactive, vi is happy to
read and write to commands as well as files so you can
:r !find find_options |additional_filter
view or edit the resulting list and
:w !xargs rm -f
all without having to load a new program on every box
where you might use it and without having to remember
a new way of doing things that won't work in a script.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More Certification
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 16:24:57 GMT
"VanPopering" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:rJUM5.2520$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > I'm not a big advocate of certification. If you've got extra money that
> > you want to throw away on classes, then get your ass into college. A
> > degree doesn't expire, it can't be arbitrarily withdrawn by a vendor,
> > and it will qualify you for far more positions than a certification.
>
> college is a waste of time as far as computer go. go look at the computer
sci. list. All the computer classes
> required - Great. but the prerequisites you have to take before them (all
the math, calculus, etc) has ABSOLUTELY
> NOTHING to do with computers, networking, etc. THAT is a waste of time
and money.
I don't consider learning the basic techniques of thinking to be a waste.
One
of the things you need most in a technical vocation is the ability to
solve what appears to be a new problem and this is a skill that develops
independently of the thing you are studying.
>I've asked many Unix/Linux sys admin
> and in every case they agreed. In a certification study on my own, Im
spending 100% of my time learning what I came
> there for. Not taking Gym, Art, or Trig.
But remember that the specifics of any technical system have a very
short useful life. Consider what you would have gained by taking
whatever equivalent training from 10 years ago. Unless it was
unix or tcp based almost nothing you could have learned about a
specific system would be of any use today.
> Certification is a very good thing. Separates the big-mouth-know-it-alls
(who don't), from the people who really know
> their stuff. Ah but then those who oppose certification because they claim
their real world experience is better and
> all they need - why not go get it and prove it? take the tests, get
certified. Hell, they wouldn't even have to study
> I bet.
There is nothing wrong with certification as a means to show a potential
employer who doesn't know anything else about you that you have
that one specific skill. I think most are more interested in your
abilitiy to learn new things in general as things change, though, and
that is better demonstrated by a college degree. Perhaps an ongoing
series of certifications for different systems would show the same.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux growth rate explosion!
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 16:34:43 GMT
"Roger Lindsj|" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8u13lj$7nv$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> So, whats better than MS Office? Show me it and I might want it.
> >
> >Star Office. And it's only $40.
>
> Isn't it free if you want to download it? I think it is even open source
now.
Yes, and Sun gave away CD's at various conventions. The koffice
components in KDE 2.x are beginning to look good too, and Lyx
is in the running as 'better' depending on the type of document.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux growth rate explosion!
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 16:42:50 GMT
"Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8u14od$u9m$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > Will (future tense). I want and have had them for the past 2 years.
>
> Is, Active Perl allow you to run perl scripts.
Is that included in win2k? What would be involved in converting
an apache/mod_perl page to use it?
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Jeff Turley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Directory Services for Linux
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 10:57:40 -0600
I am currentley running a Novell Network at work. With the way things are
currently going with Novell the issues of moving to a new server OS has
started to come up. The 2 choices are win2000 or linux. I am currently
leaning towards linux however, I need to have some kind of directory service
running on my network. Dose anyone here have experience with NDS for Linux?
Or do you know of any other directory service that I could use.
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 18:42:51 +0000
> Buffer overflows are still leaving Linux and Unix open to Denial of Service
> attacks and hacking.
Those are the primary forms of attack on NT too.
-Ed
>
> Here a few CERT advisories that point out buffer overflow attacks on
> Unix/Linux.
>
> http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-99-08-cmsd.html
>
> http://www.cert.org/vul_notes/VN-2000-01.html
--
Konrad Zuse should recognised. He built the first | Edward Rosten
binary digital computer (Z1, with floating point) the | Engineer
first general purpose computer (the Z3) and the first | u98ejr@
commercial one (Z4). | eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: "James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Linux is great
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 19:00:49 +0200
Windows Commander is hardly a special tool (unless you mean it is not a
command line function). It is like Midnight Commander that is installed
with almost all Linux distros. Just better.
James
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8uWM5.12992$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:3a042e60$0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > > Actually, the strength of Unix is that it has the right set of tools
and
> > > the right interactions between them. So, if I need to delete a bunch
of
> > > subdirs from a tree that had the names pkg, DESCR, and files, I could
do
> > > something like:
> > >
> > > find /start_dir -type d | grep -E -i "pkg|descr|files" | xargs rm -rf
> >
> > I do this much quicker and SAFER with Windows Commander :
> >
> > Use WC find command, send to panel, and delete after checking !
>
> You don't need a special-purpose tool to get a visual check
> of what the pipeline has at any point, you can redirect to
> a file anywhere in the pipeline, examine or edit the result
> and pick up by redirecting the file into the next command.
> Or for something a bit more interactive, vi is happy to
> read and write to commands as well as files so you can
> :r !find find_options |additional_filter
> view or edit the resulting list and
> :w !xargs rm -f
> all without having to load a new program on every box
> where you might use it and without having to remember
> a new way of doing things that won't work in a script.
>
> Les Mikesell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
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From: "Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux growth rate explosion!
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 09:10:44 -0800
"2:1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Eh?
> > >
> > > No I know the difference. I was saying that you are applying double
> > > standards. With one breath you (winvocates) say users won't want
> > > compilers: they want a word processor, spreadsheet, monay package and
> > > games.
>
> I qualified it by directing it at winvocates in general, not you. Read
> the post more carefully.
>
> > That wasn't my list. But go ahead and create strawman arguments. It's
the
> > usual Linux response.
>
>
>
> > > No database in that list. In the next breath, you say that Linux
> > > is bad because it has no easy database package. That, however doesn't
> > > appear in the previous list.
> >
> > Not my list.
>
> Read the post.
>
> > My list includes tools like Access. And a free web server that kicks ass
>
> khttpd is free. It seems to slaughter everything in sight.
Never heard of it. No stats either.
>
> > with dynamic content and even beats Apache with static content delivery.
And
> > many many other great things about Win2K.
>
> What has Access got to do with a web server.
Access databases are used as to serve up dynamic content on IIS.
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From: "Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 09:12:35 -0800
"Stefan Ohlsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Bruce Schuck wrote:
> >"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >>>And all the other Unix/Linux exploits that let one take root.
> >>Yes, yes...against improperly managed systems.
> >Nope. All Unix/Linux systems have vulnerabilities.
> >Especially buffer overflow vulnerabilities that Aaron claims were taken
out
> >of Unix 12 years ago.
> >
> Potenitally, yes. But provided you run an up to date system, those are
> most likely plugged.
Ditto for Win2K.
>Especially with Linux and even more so OpenBSD
> plugging of holes like that is very fast.
OpenBSD says they are 6 months ahead of other open source systems.
That sounds like Linux is slow in responding.
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From: "Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 09:15:42 -0800
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:p5RM5.13921$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Bruce Schuck writes:
>
> > Didn't Microsoft write OS/2 for IBM?
>
> Which version are you referring to?
All the versions up to 1.1 with Presentation Manager.
http://www.worldowindows.com/wintime.html
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From: "Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 09:17:13 -0800
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Bruce Schuck wrote:
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Aaron R. Kulkis
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > wrote
> > > > on Thu, 02 Nov 2000 09:54:52 -0500
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > > >Christopher Smith wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > > > [snip]
> > > >
> > > > >> It doesn't. He said same scenario, not same events. THe
scenario is
> > a
> > > > >> trojan, and any OS is vulnerable to them.
> > > > >
> > > > >Really now.
> > > > >
> > > > >So, like, why don't we see Unix e-mail viruses?
> > > >
> > > > Who says we don't? Kevin Mitnick's "worm" was highly prolific,
> > > > somewhat destructive (because of bandwidth), and resulted in his
> > > > being forbidden to touch a computer ever again and serving time,
AFAIK.
> > >
> > > 1) That was Morris's, not Mitnick
> > > 2) it was a buffer-over run attack -- all such code was removed from
> > > Unix within a couple of months .. ie. 1988
> >
> > Buffer overflows are still leaving Linux and Unix open to Denial of
Service
> > attacks and hacking.
> >
> > Here a few CERT advisories that point out buffer overflow attacks on
> > Unix/Linux.
> >
> > http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-99-08-cmsd.html
> >
> > http://www.cert.org/vul_notes/VN-2000-01.html
>
> And yet, Linux and Unix are STILL more secure than M$ Operating Shitstems.
>
> why is that?
It's not true Aaron, especially with sleepy Unix admins going around
ignoring buffer overflow attacks they thought were taken out of Unix in
1988.
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From: "Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: IBM to BUY MICROSOFT!!!!
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 09:21:34 -0800
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:tbOM5.12956$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:TIMM5.121763$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > > Errr, by 'even' they mean it is rare in free software as opposed to
> being
> > > rampant and expected among commercial vendors.
> >
> > Nope. When they say "Many vendors, even of free software" it clearly
means
> > that they are appalled that their *nix cousins -- Linux being the
obvious
> > one -- still try to hide issues from their users.
> >
> > Anyone who speaks english would interpret it that way.
>
> No, your notion of Linux involvement comes strictly from your
> overactive imagination. English speakers or not, everyone
> knows there are ego problems among the *bsd's (hence the
> plural form) and thus that their counter claims of superiority are
> questionable.
I've seen the long long list of Linux security advisories on various distro
makers.
I'll stand by what I said. Linux is insecure.
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From: "Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: IBM to BUY MICROSOFT!!!!
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 09:22:36 -0800
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:WfOM5.12957$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:vGMM5.121762$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > Anyone who reads the security advisories knows that Linux distros are
> > unsecure and open by default. They are the favorite hacking ground of
> script
> > kiddies and hackers.
> >
>
> This hasn't been true for the last several releases.
Sure it is.
> And the real favorite
> hacking ground is still vbs viruses as attachments for Outlook. That
> has affected orders of magnitude more sites.
Affected. Yes.
Broken root. Nope.
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From: "Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: 2.4 Kernel Delays.
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 09:25:15 -0800
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:%SNM5.12955$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:dFNM5.121778$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > > > They tested the best capabilities of all systems.
> > >
> > > Did I miss the php and mod_perl timings?
> > >
> > > > It's well known fact that IIS 5 on Win2K kicks ass on dynamic
content.
> > > >
> > > > If you have alternative benchmarks post them.
> > >
> > > Why would I have any IIS timings? I would be interested if anyone
> > > has equivalent perl code running under IIS and apache/mod_perl,
though.
> >
> > That is the beauty of IIS. You can write you ISAPI filters in many
> > languages, including Perl.
>
> Of course you can. The question is how it performs compared to
> apache/mod_perl
I'm more than willing to look at some benchmarks. Do you have any?
> and whether you have to write thread-safe
> code in a thread-safe language (which in my experience takes
> about 15 years longer than when you don't) to make it work.
IIS works just fine. And fast too. Kicks Linux and Solaris ass
.
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From: "Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: 2.4 Kernel Delays.
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 09:28:21 -0800
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:mQNM5.12954$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:wDNM5.121777$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > >
> > > Yes, but at the time no one was spending billions of dollars promoting
> > > the 'new technology' in Linux trying to convince everyone it was
> > > robust enough to replace real servers.
> >
> > A year or two later they conned millions of people to buy worthless
stock
> in
> > RedHat and other Linux vendors on the promise that Linux was robust
enough
> > to replace real servers.
>
> And by then it was, and everyone trying to use NT still had farms of
> dozens of machines behind load balancers hoping that a few would
> keep working.
Are you suggesting the companies below only have one machine and don't use
load balancers?
What a twit?
> Do you consider google, deja, or sourceforge to be
> real servers?
Sort of. There isn't much dynamic content involved. Just a lot of text
searching. No transactions.
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From: Artur Biesiadowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux growth rate explosion!
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 18:18:07 +0100
Bruce Schuck wrote:
> > khttpd is free. It seems to slaughter everything in sight.
>
> Never heard of it. No stats either.
http://www.fenrus.demon.nl/
It is basically web server builtin into linux kernel. It has to be fast
- it is a bit kind of DSP processor versus generic processor.
http://www.fenrus.demon.nl/performance.html
I'm in no means advocating it's use. Static data only (works for images,
rest is dynamic these days), calls backing server for dynamic data.
Having such thing in kernel gives me creeps. But this is same thing as
having GUI routines in kernel :)
Artur
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: IBM to BUY MICROSOFT!!!!
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 17:46:58 GMT
On Sat, 4 Nov 2000 09:22:36 -0800, Bruce Schuck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:WfOM5.12957$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>> "Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:vGMM5.121762$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>> > Anyone who reads the security advisories knows that Linux distros are
>> > unsecure and open by default. They are the favorite hacking ground of
>> script
>> > kiddies and hackers.
>> >
>>
>> This hasn't been true for the last several releases.
>
>Sure it is.
Bullshit. Provide some examples of systems being wide open by default.
Put up or shut up.
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