Linux-Advocacy Digest #130, Volume #30 Wed, 8 Nov 00 23:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: We will never know what the MS intruder did (Bob Hauck)
Re: Linux growth rate explosion! ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Linvocates, true to form as usual (was dead laptop) (Terry Porter)
Re: Linux growth rate explosion! (Goldhammer)
Re: Lets try serious advocacy/discussion. (.)
Re: The laptop with Linux lasted exactly one week....... (Terry Porter)
Re: Linvocates, true to form as usual (was dead laptop) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Lets try serious advocacy/discussion. ("Les Mikesell")
Re: so REALLY, what's the matter with Microsoft? (Curtis)
Re: RedHat BugList Summary (Paul Colquhoun)
Re: The laptop with Linux lasted exactly one week....... (Terry Porter)
Re: Windows vs. everybody-else in the desktop/server markets. (Long!)
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
an appreciation for linux and the open source community (attwoody)
OS stability (sfcybear)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! (Russ Lyttle)
Re: so REALLY, what's the matter with Microsoft? ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Open Source at work :) ("Relax")
Re: The Sixth Sense (Russ Lyttle)
Re: Linvocates, true to form as usual (was dead laptop) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: so REALLY, what's the matter with Microsoft? ("Les Mikesell")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Linvocates, true to form as usual (was dead laptop) (Bob Hauck)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: We will never know what the MS intruder did
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 02:43:45 GMT
On Wed, 08 Nov 2000 03:37:52 GMT, Chad Myers
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>How many exploits have Red Hat alone (let alone all Linux distros) had
>this year?
I don't know, not having sat down and counted. I have installed about
60 update rpm's on my Caldera 2.4 box, but about 20 of those were part
of a single XFree update and several other updates were composed 2-3
files.
But that doesn't matter because your fundamental theory, that "less
patches equals more security", is flawed. It may be true if all else
is equal, but all else isn't equal. You are comparing the results of
entirely different development processes, one closed and controlled and
one open to anyone. The idea that what the code they hide from you is
better than the code you can see is a leap of faith at best.
>But the point was to prove to that your statements that NT/2K have
>more P.E. attacks was false. This I have done quite clearly.
My point actually was that Linux is probably as secure as most of it's
competitors, including NT. Your and Bruce's little campaign of scare
tactics about security is getting a bit old now, please ask Bill for
some new FUD.
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-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux growth rate explosion!
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 04:42:48 +0200
"Goldhammer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8uctuo$mi3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <6k7N5.13146$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > "Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:O76N5.123431$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > >
> > > Before we waste anymore time with your drivel,
> > > name the *nix tools that
> > > matches the feature list of Access.
> >
> > None of them match the non-portability, vendor lock
> > design goal of Access if that is what you mean.
>
>
> For a really interesting study of the whole vendor-lock
> proprietary mdb-format issue, check out the thread
> in comp.databases.ms-access beginning with this:
>
> http://www.deja.com/=dnc/getdoc.xp?AN=685029497
>
> It starts off innocently enough with:
>
> (Brinster:) "I have a .mdb file of subscribers from which
> I would like to extract all email addresses. I do not have
> Access...can I view the file or extract the info with some
> other program or utility?"
>
> To which numerous over-the-top, highly entertaining followups
> from Access users are posted, accusing Brinster of being a
> criminal, etc.
Don't know about legality of this, but there are numerous of ways to do it.
For a start, he would have to install MDAC (free) which include Jet drivers.
Then, it's a matter of minutes to write a vbs file that would extract the
emails from the mdb file and put them in a comma-delimited file.
I could write the code for this in about 2 minutes.
In addition, when he install MDAC, he can install any ODBC capable program
and access the mdb file using it.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Linvocates, true to form as usual (was dead laptop)
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 09 Nov 2000 02:44:32 GMT
On Wed, 08 Nov 2000 14:54:36 -0500, Glitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> He did not have root access, so I suspect he might have either powered
>> off the machine without shutting down, or let the batteries run down.
>> I don't know, but he's not fessing up.
"Claire_lyn/Heathe/Steve/Keys88/Amy" has reached new levels of ignorance !
I'd have thought in 4 years of being a Wintroll on COLA, youd at least have
learnt *something* about Linux ?
FACT 1: You dont need to be the superuser or root, to shutdown a Linux pc.
FACT 2: Pressing "alt ctrl del" will shut down your Linux pc, neatly, orderly
and safely, as *any user* if the pc is so set up, and 99% are.
Kind Regards
Terry
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From: Goldhammer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux growth rate explosion!
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 02:35:47 GMT
In article <y%1O5.17616$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Suprun) wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Myers) wrote in
> <cnLN5.7468$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> >I taught myself the rules of relational databases and normalization
> >in Access.
>
> Next, learn OOP/OOD/OOA using VB.
And when he's done that, he can explore platform-independent
software development with MS J++.
--
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: Lets try serious advocacy/discussion.
Date: 9 Nov 2000 02:56:19 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>> Admin tools? Exactly what more does one need to do on a home system?
>>
>>Are you serious? If you have something like Media-One cable modem, you
>>best learn about file walls or your next door neighbor will be able to
>>print to your printer, read your files.
> File walls?
> If you mean Firewalls, ZoneAlarm is your friend. Setup.exe and that is
> it. It even blocks outbound traffic. If that doesn't suffice BlackIce
> is nice. Again Setup.exe is all that is needed. Also blocks outbound
> traffic and has a pretty sophisticated packet sniffer (ie:it's not
> rules based only).
I see. And you think that "admin tools" arent needed on a home system.
My god, you are a tremendous idiot.
=====.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: The laptop with Linux lasted exactly one week.......
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 09 Nov 2000 02:56:39 GMT
On 8 Nov 2000 14:33:05 -0600, Relax <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > Your friend probably didnt know
>> > how to properly shut down a linux machine and was flipping power on
>> > and off the way you used to be able to do with DOS.
>
>A laptop is _expected_ to suffer sudden power failures. Maybe Linux is just
>not mature enough for such a demanding environment?
Fair comment, except the original poster "Claire_Lynn" is a known Wintroll
whose posts are always rigged in some way to make Linux look bad, and Windows
good.
Perhaps the laptop doesnt exist, perhaps the whole post is a fabrication ?
This is the internet after all ?
>
>
>
--
Kind Regards
Terry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linvocates, true to form as usual (was dead laptop)
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 02:52:00 GMT
In article <91fO5.237185$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[ficction snipped]
> The bigger issue is that the cost of the OS is negligible compared to
the
> cost of the IT staff to keep everything running. If they're thinking
that
> the low initial cost of Linux is going to shave the cost
significantly,
> they're going to be in for a surprise.
How is the cost of a large IT staff different in a UNIX environment from
any other large IT staff? And don't quote salaries, because if you're
thinking that the low initial cost of an MCSE is going to shave the cost
significantly, you're going to be in for a big surprise.
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lets try serious advocacy/discussion.
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 03:08:22 GMT
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> The problem is the general public, where the real money is, has been
> and continues to ignore Linux.
Most of them got an OS with their PC without having a choice
about it.
> If Gates declared Monday December 1st "Win2k free day" and gave a free
> copy to everyone who went to their retailers and asked for it, there
> would be riots in the streets.
Nearly everybody had to pay for a copy of windows already. Why would
they be interested in another?
> Linux is free everyday and yet has a
> dismal market share, and personally I think the numbers of Linux users
> are greatly inflated.
And I think the same about Win2k - look at all the stuff with no drivers.
Les Mikesell
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From: Curtis <alliem@kas*spam*net.com>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: so REALLY, what's the matter with Microsoft?
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 22:09:12 -0500
Chad Myers wrote...
> > It cant support true realtime applications
>
> BS. You have nothing to back this claim up. Besides, are you claiming Linux
> can? ROFL...
Take a look at :
http://www.win2000mag.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=7598&Key=Forecast
[...]VenturCom offers three products that provide and take advantage of a
realtime environment in NT, and the company recently released Win32rt, a
common realtime API for NT and Windows CE.[....]
http://www.linuxworld.com/linuxworld/linuxworldtoday/14.html
[....]In RT-Linux, a small hard-realtime kernel and standard Linux kernel
share one or more processors. Thus, the system can be used for realtime
applications such as data acquisition, control, and robotics, while still
enjoying full Linux functionality. [....]
You seem to be both speaking from your asses when speaking about what
OS's you don't like on this real-time issue.
--
ACM.
________________________________________________________
"A thing is not necessarily true because a man dies for it."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Colquhoun)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: RedHat BugList Summary
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 03:16:34 GMT
On Wed, 08 Nov 2000 13:43:32 GMT, Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|
|"Ketil Z Malde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
|news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
|> "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
|>
|> > Can you please list the number of known security bugs in a linux
|> > distribution of your choice that has been out in the open for nearly
|> > as long as win2k?
|>
|> As far as I can tell, Debian has zero security bugs for 2.2.
|>
|> Among the six security issues the last month, I guess two (nis and
|> traceroute) would be said to apply to the OS and not applications.
|
|What I can't understand is, in this day, Year 2000, there are _STILL_
|bugs being discovered in traceroute, ping, etc. These utilities, and
|apps like NIS have been around forever.
|
|I can't find one recorded instance of a bug with any of MS's base TCP/IP
|utilities (ping, tracert, etc). I mean, come on, this is getting rediculous.
Remember the "Ping of Death"? MS's ping utility could generate
these (non-standard sized) packets from the command line.
Other OS's needed fancy, contorted programs to generate these packets.
Remote DOS attacks from the MS standard ping utility. I think that counts.
--
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: The laptop with Linux lasted exactly one week.......
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 09 Nov 2000 03:07:18 GMT
On Tue, 07 Nov 2000 21:13:38 -0500, Moderator
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> Well the great, robust system known as Linux has taken a dump on my
>> friends laptop (a different one than the one I am battling with).
>
>Sorry if you were misguided by all the magazines and kids hyping Linux
>as the greatest thing since the keyboard, but Linux is not ready for
>the desktop.
Your the misguided one mate, "Claire_Lynn" is a known Wintroll, nothing more.
> It's UNIX. It wasn't meant to be user friendly.
Because "Moderator" says so ??????
> Sure,
>there are little toys you can add on to Linux to make it desktop
>friendly,
Hahahahahahahah!
Little "toys" like *remote GUI*, like *stability*, like *multi user* !
>but in the end it's still UNIX (well, no it's not UNIX, it's a
>clone of UNIX).
Well DUH, can someone give this poster an award ?
>
>Unless Windows was bothering you, I don't see any reason for you to
>change.
If you cant see any reason to change, perhaps you dont really have a clue
whats happening ?
> It's like upgrading your perfectly working car to a V8 engine,
Um lessee, you use Windows, at least you post using it. In that case your
"perfectly working car" locks up, gets virii, and needs updating every year ?
>and then having your axle break a week later from the added weight.
You need a little moderation mate, as you're way off target and have no clue
about Linux. Why not give it a try sometime ?
>--
>-Moderator
Kind Regards
Terry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Windows vs. everybody-else in the desktop/server markets. (Long!)
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 03:06:07 GMT
In article <8ud6ep$ov6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]
> Who talked about quality? I was talking popularity.
Slashdot is popular. Maybe you could conduct a scientific unbiased poll
there.
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From: attwoody <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: an appreciation for linux and the open source community
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 03:13:27 GMT
I finally took the Linux plunge...I'm an Oracle DBA, used to HP-UX, AIX,
Solaris and NT, but never really tried Linux.
Installed Red Hat 7.0 (would also like to try Slackware, SuSE, maybe
Caldera) and then tried to install Oracle 8.1.6 for Linux
Couldn't create a database - kept getting ORA-03113: end of file on
communication channel whenever I started Server Manager.
I checked the comp.databases.misc.oracle newsgroup - turned out others
had experienced the same thing (there is a glibc (?) incompatibility
between RH 7 and Oracle. A fix was posted on Red Hat's Bugzilla site.
I went to the vmlinux site, got the tar file, followed the excellent
instructions, and, voila - I was able to start Server Manager to create
an Oracle 8.1.6 database on Red Hat Linux 7.0!
I'm not the most seasoned, grizzled UNIX-head out there; I know enough
to be a junior sysadmin. I'm just so appreciative of being able to find
the information to resolve my problem WITHOUT having to cough up serious
amounts of "dead presidents" to a vendor, as well as being put on hold
for up to 2 hours and navigate through endless menus!
Long live Linux, and long live the Internet and open source software!
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From: sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: OS stability
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 03:13:36 GMT
The people at netcraft have started tracking uptime. Here is the top 50
"up-times"
http://uptime.netcraft.com/today/top.avg.html
For a "free" OS, Linux and OpenBSD made a good showing for themselves.
Here's a breakdown of the top 50:
Solaris 22
Linux 13
Irix 9
BSD/OS 5
FreeBSD 1
13 in the to 50 for Linux! Not bad for a free OS.
The longest uptime on the list comes from Universitaetsklinikum Rudolf
Virchow with 825 days, OVER 2 years! Number 50 came was Octel
Communications Corporation at just under a year, arespectable 347 days!
Linux's best reported uptime? Over a year 406 days.
But what about MS? None in the top 50? Well to be fair W2000 has only
been out for what 9 months and the best uptime I found came from Dell
with a W2K server up for 81 days less than 1/3 of the total time w2k has
been out. The best w2k uptime reported by MS? 75 long days! Not even 3
months. Then there is NT the OS that so many WinSuporters said was so
stable, MS reports about 28 days! Not even a month! The poor MS admins
if that is the BEST NT can do!
These are not benchmarks or staged tests, this is the real world folks!
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From: Russ Lyttle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 03:20:43 GMT
Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> "Russ Lyttle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > > Do you understand that most MS systems are running of FAT partitions?
> FAT
> > > having no ability to do permissions.
> >
> > Yes, I understand. MS operating systems are a security hole : no
> > permissions.
>
> Check out NTFS.
> Very good permissions.
>
> > > Outlook has preview functions that run those macros? I don't think so.
> > >
> > We seem to have caught a virus like that. At least thats what the IT
> > group tells me. They are all certified microsoft software engineers.
>
> What was it's name.
> The only auto-preview that I can think of in outlook is for images.
>
> > > No, it's not.
> > > The only option is never to run unviewed macros without reading them
> first.
> > > Which is easily possible by clicking No when you are asked if you want
> to
> > > run the macro.
>
> > The only option is to never run macros. I don't have time to try to read
> > every macro in every *.doc file or *.xls file or whatever. My only
> > options are to either ignore the warning and open the file or not run
> > the file at all. My job isn't to be an expert in microsoft macros. So I
> > don't have time or intrest to learn the scripting languages. Neither
> > does the average user who just wants to get a job done.
>
> By your own reasoning, you shouldn't run any software, close or open.
> Close because you don't have the source, so you don't know what it will do.
> Open because it's too much work to learn the language and read and
> understand what this does.
There is a difference. With Open Source software I don't have to
PERSONALY check every program. My co-workers check some, I check some. I
do PERL, they do Python. Also, only those items I intend to add to my
system need checking. I don't have to check every *.tex or *.jpg or
*.png file to see if it contains harmeful macros. They don't. At least
not any macro that will hurt *nix. A simple magic number filter checks
to see if the file is what it says it is. However, I do have to check
every *.doc, *.xls, *.ppt, *.pps to see if it has harmeful macros. Today
I received 20 internal e-mails with attachments. All had macros. I
received over 1000 pages of *.doc files with macros. The admin staff
loves macros. So how much time do I spend analyzing e-mail code and how
much time do I spend generating new code that earns money?
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: so REALLY, what's the matter with Microsoft?
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 03:25:01 GMT
"Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:mnkO5.40$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> Win2k was running fine on Alpha up to Beta 3, so this proves that they
> haven't broke NT's portability in Win2K.
>
Just the opposite - usually when a beta product doesn't make it into
production it proves it was too broken to fix.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Relax" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Open Source at work :)
Date: 8 Nov 2000 21:25:12 -0600
"Roberto Teixeira" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >>>>> "R" == Relax <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> R> http://www.oreilly.com/news/flanagan_1100.html
>
> And _that_ is the big difference between open source software and free
> software. If an open source project is controlled by a corporation,
> than things like that are bound to happen.
But, someone _has_ to coordinate, or total anarchy would work best?
> A free software project, OTOH, would not suffer like that because
> there would not be a central "power" controlling what he could or
> could not do, or in Netscape/Mozilla's case, what bugs to fix.
>
> --
> Roberto Teixeira
> Conectiva, Inc.
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From: Russ Lyttle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 03:30:06 GMT
"." wrote:
>
> > Why anyone would want anything other than Win2k pro on their desktop or
> > laptop is beyond me ...
>
> Why anyone would want to contribute to Microsofts domination of the world
> is beyond me.
>
Well. people eat at McDonald's and buy lotto tickets don't they?
> It's also beyond me why anyone would so proactively advocate everyone
> using Win2k... Win2k is simply not suitable for a large number of
> people. You'd think that someone as familiar with it as you appear to be
> would understand this, but I guess it's just another case of "I picked
> the right thing for me, everyone choosing something else must be wrong.
> I must convert the heathens."
>
> I don't try to advocate linux or *BSD as the sole solution to operating
> systems, why should you with 2k? (I do like to point out the advantages
> though... there are many people running blind who don't even realise
> alternatives exist...)
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<http://www.flash.net/~lyttlec>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linvocates, true to form as usual (was dead laptop)
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 03:22:17 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
No-Spam wrote:
[snip]
> "Claire" has been on COLA since at least 1997, under many fictitious
names
> such as Steve, Keys88, Amy, Heather and a dozen others.
>
> This Wintroll isnt going away anytime soon as far as I can see, as
there are
> other agendas we dont know about, at work here.
>
> The MO is always the same, good Linux newbie, BAD Linux hater, his
printer
> or sound wont work, etc, old or new devices, *whatever* Linux doesnt
currently
> have drivers for.
>
> All COLA lurkers *beware*, this Wintroll aims to be, in his own words
> "Linux's *WORST ENEMY*".
>
> Believe anything he says, and you're being very foolish.
Thank $DEITY you're back. I was beginning to think nobody would pull the
mask off the phantom.
This laptop story is a purely fictional account that exists only in the
deranged mind(s) of the author. As were the last twenty or thirty Linux
horror stories from steve/claire/amy/heather/etc. Don't waste your time
and bandwidth trying to fix his/her/its problem; there is no Linux
problem here, only a psychological one.
Too bad we can't fsck the human mind.
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: so REALLY, what's the matter with Microsoft?
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 03:30:55 GMT
"Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:eWcO5.264$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> Alpha support certainly has waned now in the past few months. Since
> Compaq shut out MS, MS support for Alpha has declined.
What does that mean? Is MS incapable of producing an OS on
its own like everyone else does?
> There still isn't
> a very large install base. Most important patches and new software
releases
> (like the JavaVM) are instantly available on both platforms, but new
> software isn't being developed for Alpha. Perhaps this is their gripe,
> but it's not really MS' fault. Compaq stopped the support, and Alpha
> sales are way down.
What support does MS need?
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 03:40:29 GMT
"Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8ubakn$1rr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > >
> > > You need to learn some terminology here.
> >
> > I learned what Open and Run mean many years
> > ago, and it is Windows that has got the terminology
> > wrong. Even in Microsoft's own basic they had
> > clearly different meanings.
>
> Do you've any clear idea on how to divide open file type & run file types?
> Would *.doc be run file type?
> Would *.pl be run file type?
Why do you think there is any correspondence between a file's
name and it's contents? From email, things should be viewed,
not run, regardless of what the sender arbitrarily named them.
>From the OS level, things should be handled according to
their contents and whether the file modes are set to be executable
or not.
> > > Open, in windows, equal Run for executables.
> > > Very simple. Right?
> >
> > But you aren't 'in' Windows, you are 'in' email.
>
> Which reside in windows.
And should be consistent across platforms...
> > > You tell it to open and you know that the default program for handling
> > this
> > > file type (identified by icon or extention) will deal with it.
> >
> > But that isn't what mailers should do, whether you think it is
> > what a file manager should do or not.
>
> That isn't what Outlook does by default either, it saves it to disk, a
> perfectly safe action.
No, that is the worst possible action - you no longer have any
reason not to trust the contents since you have blessed it into
the filesystem.
> > It wouldn't. That is the worst possible thing you can do with it
> > because any subsequent access will use the default file handler
> > which would then be justified. But since those instructions are
> > not typical for email, people would not follow them. Opening
> > mail and attachments is the ordinary thing to do, and people will
> > go ahead, seeing nothing at all unusual.
>
> You tells it to open it, regardless of what you think of it, open in
windows
> equal run for executables.
It doesn't matter what either of us think about it. We know exactly
what the result of this situation is - one disaster after another.
> You tell it to open it if it's on the desktop as well.
> What is the difference here?
When you put something in the filesystem with your permissions,
everything thereafter must assume that it is safe and you have
done all the checking you needed to assure that. There is no
longer any way to tell that you didn't create it in the first place.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: Linvocates, true to form as usual (was dead laptop)
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 03:43:47 GMT
On Wed, 08 Nov 2000 15:01:27 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>This laptop belonged to a person who is a powerful vote on the local
>school board which at this very moment is considering a proposal to
>revamp all of the computer labs in the district as well as the
>satellite uplink and so forth.
And in his spare time he is the manager of a local computer store who
dusts off the non-selling copies of Linux. And I'll bet he also owns
stock in the Pig Pen Company and runs a small business on the side.
In short, you're trolling again.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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