Linux-Advocacy Digest #130, Volume #35 Mon, 11 Jun 01 11:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: More funny stuff. ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: KDE and Gnome are totally 80s ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff? ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: XP finally reveals it true colors!!! ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Laugh, it's hilarious. ("Donal K. Fellows")
Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft (Icarus)
Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Brock Hannibal)
Re: I propose a GPL change... ("Donal K. Fellows")
Re: More micro$oft "customer service" ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: More funny stuff. ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Laugh, it's hilarious. ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff? (Byron A Jeff)
Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff? (Byron A Jeff)
Re: I propose a GPL change... ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Desktop Linux (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Norman D. Megill)
Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff? ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: More micro$oft "customer service" ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! (T. Max
Devlin)
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More funny stuff.
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 16:46:47 +0200
"Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9g2a4d$u8h$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > 11. Another customer called Compaq tech support to say her brand-new
> > > computer wouldn't work. She said she unpacked the unit, plugged it in,
> and
> > > sat there for 20 minutes waiting for something to happen. When asked
> what
> > > happened when she pressed the power switch, she asked "What power
> switch?"
> > >
> > > Yet another person who should never have been allowed to purchase a
> > > computer, and needs to repeat College from form three onwards.
> >
> > Did you hear about the customer that bought a Dell computer and was
> > installing Solaris 8 x86?? He typed into ng complaining about solaris
> > install had damaged his machine. He said "All of a sudden there were
> > flames and smoke pouring out of the back of the computer!" He did admit
> > that he had plugged into the auxiliary power plug a microwave oven and
> > was popping popcorn when the power supply burst into flames. :-)
>
> LOL! some people can be real Doris's sometimes. I sometimes wonder how on
> earth these people actually get through life without killing themselves.
> Mind you, the poem, "Danger Eliminates Stupid People" puts it in plain
> English why these morons continue to breed like rabbits.
Well, sometimes they don't survive, have you read the Darwin Award?
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: KDE and Gnome are totally 80s
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 16:47:51 +0200
"Funky-Fresh Hacker D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Hehehe.... nothing like ol senna cotte wouldn't cure! Nutscrape 6
> > really is one slow program and a disk hog.
>
> But it's 100% standards compliant, and that's the important thing.
No, it isn't.
Mozilla is getting closer to this, but NS6 is certainly not 100%, and
neither is Mozilla, for that matter.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff?
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 16:49:15 +0200
"pip" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
> > C is certainly not easier, C is one of the hardest languages in
existance.
> > It's popular, I'll give you that, but it's not easy.
> >
> > Pointers is a hard cocept to grasp, manual memory management, no array
> > boundy checking, no *real* arrays, no strings.
> > All of those make C to a hard language.
>
> ...and error prone. Which is why UI components should be kept OUT of
> kernel space unless you can ensure that there are no programming errors.
I'm not going to argue with this, but you have to realize that things that
goes into kernel space are naturally going to be checked much more than
those that doesn't goes into kernel space.
This makes for a better and more stable component *no matter* what language
you use.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: XP finally reveals it true colors!!!
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 16:51:44 +0200
"Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9g2ac7$ul0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> In New Zealand, you would be lucky to get a personal computer for under
> $2000 +GST. Mind you, most people I have met would rather save up, and
> purchase a good quality setup that will last them years, even newbies, vs.
> getting an "el cheapo" brand computer with multiple problems. Considering
> that there are easy finance plans that can spread $25 payments over 3
years,
> owning a good quality computer is not a hard task.
Here you can also get a pretty good price reduction for trade in, as well.
And a good computer, btw, is likely to last for a *long* time.
I'd the same computer for over 3 years, I could keep on using it if I
weren't eager to get the latest & best.
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From: "Donal K. Fellows" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Laugh, it's hilarious.
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 14:45:17 +0100
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> Pointers are expecially mysterious if you are first introduced to the
> concept in a Pascal course.
Pointers are pretty bad in C too, at least according to the people I
know who teach labs and tutorials on that course... :^)
> In Pascal, pointers have not intelligible value...and the pascal
> model doesn't even include the concept of an "address"...
> so, of course, most instructors fail to mention it.
Which is why every CS/EE course should include a compulsory section on
assembler and C, even if the rest of the course sticks to higher level
stuff...
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
make: *** No rule to make target `war'. Stop.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Icarus)
Subject: Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 14:02:36 GMT
On Sat, 09 Jun 2001 17:34:35 GMT, T. Max Devlin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Said Stuart Fox in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Fri, 1 Jun 2001 17:58:16
>>"Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, unicat wrote:
[Did!]
{Did not either!]
[Did too so!]
PLEASE keep this nonsense off of otherwise useful newsgroups.
Thanks,
Icarus
--
The world will little note nor long remember what we say here
-A. Lincoln, Gettysberg Address
A dream of competence, too closely confronted. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brock Hannibal)
Date: 11 Jun 2001 07:01:42 PDT
"Goddess" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
<9g1geb$9ik$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>"Brock Hannibal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:3b2435b3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
>> <9g16ij$onq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>
>>>
>>> "Brock Hannibal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>>> "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
>>>> <9fvu1k$skg$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>>>
>>>>>> Wouldn't that depend on what exactly you were teaching them
>>>>>> about it? While I don't shield my son from the fact that
>>>>>> homosexuality exists I don't think I want to teach him that
>>>>>> it's desirable or glamorous. I must admit the homosexual
>>>>>> lifestyle and sexual behaviors are not something that I want
>>>>>> my male child aspiring to. There, afterall, are many
>>>>>> consequences of that choice that might not include the kinds
>>>>>> of outcomes I want for my son. I think at 10 years old as
>>>>>> his gender related sexuality is just emerging, I don't want
>>>>>> people preaching the benefits of homosexuality to him. Just
>>>>>> as I prefer not to allow people to preach their religions to
>>>>>> him. I'll handle teaching him about love, life and religion,
>>>>>> the schools can handle teaching him reading, writing and
>>>>>> arithmetic, thank you very much.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lets say, in theory, your son has a pretty normal (well, as
>>>>> normal as you can be) hetrosexual up bringing, and learns to
>>>>> accept/tolerate people with different sexual preferences, and
>>>>> you and your son have an open father-son relationship in
>>>>> which your son can talk to about anything. However,
>>>>> hypothetically, at the age of, say, 17, he comes to you and
>>>>> says, "dad, I'm gay". What would your response be?
>>>>>
>>>>> Matthew Gardiner
>>>>
>>>> In all truthfulness I can't say I would be happy about it. I'm
>>>> not sure how I would respond, exactly. I wouldn't disinherit
>>>> him or anything like that. I would try to make sure he really
>>>> knew what all the consequences of his choice would be. That's
>>>> about the best I can do in this hypothetical situation.
>>>>
>>>> None of that has anything to do with the schools teaching
>>>> about homosexuality. It's not their role, in my opinion.
>>>
>>> Personally, if I had a son,
>>
>> So, you don't have a son, then.
>
>I have a son, two of them in fact.
>
>>> and he came to me and said he was gay,
>>> I would neither be disappointed or proud. I would be happy
>>> that he was able to "come out" as so to speak, and that he was
>>> willing to talk about any issues he may have. I would give him
>>> the same advice as as I would give a hetrosexual son, be
>>> careful, use contraception, remember that if you need support,
>>> that I (as a father) will always be there.
>>
>> Woulda, shoulda, coulda! You don't have a son. You don't know
>> what it feels like to love a son. You don't know how you would
>> react.
>
>I have two sons. I do know how it feels to love a son and it has
>nothing to do with his sexual orientation.
>
>> That's the bottom line. Basically you're full of hot air,
>> signifying nothing.
>
>No, you are. Thanks for your comments.
>
>Marg
Listen, if you can make a case as to why a homosexual lifestyle will
be somehow better for your boys then I'm willing to listen, but it's
obvious that being gay has many problems associated with it. Whether
that's good or should be, is a different debate. The pragmatic view
of it is that it's a problem, socially, career-wise, and health-wise.
If you're too dumb to realize that then maybe you should do a little
research before you say being gay is good and wonderful and that you
would be filled with happy, happy, joy, joy to have your sons'
declare an affinity for the gay lifestyle. Now move along, before you
get laughed off of usenet.
--
Brock
"Put a $20 gold piece on my watch chain so the boys'll know I died
standin' pat"
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From: "Donal K. Fellows" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I propose a GPL change...
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:02:47 +0100
Dave Martel wrote:
>"Donal K. Fellows" wrote:
>> You have, of course, missed the point of free software entirely.
>
> I'm just getting tired of seeing threads where some lintroll says
> "yeah, but Windows doesn't have a decent free XYZ application" and a
> wintroll responds "Yes we do, it's ported from linux!"
>
> Gates whines about GPL as a virus but what's this one-way deal with
> Windows apps? Windows users can run linux apps native (compiling them
> with the ported gcc) but linux users can't run Windows apps native.
> (Well, except for the ones that work under WINE, and from what I hear
> that rules out a lot of apps)
>
> Now I ask you, is that fair?
Yes. It is fair. The key is that we are advocating Free Software. You
don't do that by imposing restrictions on it. Freedom means that even
people you despise are free to use what you have done.
Look, this war we are fighting against the likes of MS and other software
hoarders is in many important senses a moral war. We are claiming that
Free and Open Software are better than closed software. But you can't do
that by adopting the tactics of the other side; to win we must beat them
at their own game even without their "advantages" (which are actually
disadvantages from the moral PoV.) You don't win by becoming nothing
better than your enemy, you win by making your enemy change to be like
what you want to be like, and winning in such a way is far more total and
far more satisfying than just becoming the new micromegacorp monopoly
that everyone loves to hate.
I don't hate MS. It's just that their business practises and part-good/
part-abysmal software drive me into a spluttering fury. I don't mind them
being a profitable business. What I truly can't stand is just how much
better things could be with comparatively little extra effort...
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
make: *** No rule to make target `war'. Stop.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 16:53:26 +0200
"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 08:57:28 +0200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ("Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
> >"Woofbert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> >> > Though MS can and no doubt will provide
> >> > their own, included as standard.
> >>
> >> My main question was "Who controls what hyperlinks are added?"
> >>
> >> The answer is "Microsoft and whoever else has enough money to develop
> >> and distribute their own plugins."
> >
> >No, the SmartTags SDK is available for free at MS' site.
> >You can download and roll your own.
>
> And how many users are going to do that? 1%? The rest will get the
> ones built-in from MS.
How many users knows how to change the home page?
Maybe 10%, the rest will use the built in one.
Oh, woe on me, MS is directing people to their sites!
So they will use the MS stock one, what is so bad about it?
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More funny stuff.
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 16:58:43 +0200
"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9g2hce$1ga$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <9fvdtv$2pt$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Ayende Rahien"
> <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/6174/com_lite.htm
> >
> > Just to note, I did 8 myself. The keyboard is just as good as ever. But
> > *damn* was it dirty.
> >
> > 6 & 9 & 11 are even more hilarious than the rest.
>
>
> Might I reccomend the "Computer stupidities" page. It has many more liek
> this. I can't remember the link, but I think google picks up on it pretty
> easily.
http://rinkworks.com/stupid/
Is this it?
On first glance, this doesn't seem as funny, but I'll take a deeper look.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.aol-sucks,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Laugh, it's hilarious.
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 17:01:42 +0200
"Donal K. Fellows" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Pinocchio Poppins wrote:
> > In a way, yes. My computer has a 40 GB hard disk, and if I wanted,
> > I could turn on the swap file and get 40 GB of virtual memory with a
> > 128 MB cache.
>
> You need a 64-bit processor (or some horrible tricks that were both
developed
> and forgotten again in the '80s) to do that. And I can assure you that
you
> don't want to swap/page a 1GB process between disk and 128MB of memory.
Not
> unless you've got a bizarre addiction to disk noises and slow software...
Well, they weren't forgotten.
I know that you can adress > 4GB RAM on Windows on 32bits, and while I'm not
sure of it, I believe that in Linux on 32bits as well.
As a side note, I understand that 9x has some problems with *too much*
memory.
IIRC, it starts kicking in after 512MB, apperantly 9x is *serious* about
"who need more than 640KB" qoute.
The NT line will happily eats as much memory as I can throw at it, though
:-}
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Byron A Jeff)
Subject: Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff?
Date: 11 Jun 2001 10:28:28 -0400
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
-Matthew Gardiner wrote:
->
-> "Rene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
-> news:pwTU6.38562$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
-> > 1.- Is Linux (kernel) programmed on C or C++?
-> > 2.- Is GNOME programmed on C or C++?
-> >
-> >
-> > Is this the wrong place to post this question? Sorry I apologize, could
-> you
-> > please be so kind to point me to the right news group?
-> >
-> Linux is written in C, like all UNIX's, GNOME, I am not too sure, however, I
-> do know KDE is written in C++, as they donot require the same low level
-> access as an OS kernel requires.
-
-Why do people always assume that C++ can't do what C can do? It is absurd. Low
-level access has absolutely nothing to do with it. There is almost nothing you
-can do in C which can not also be done in C++.
-
-The kernel is written in C, although one can write modules in C++ were one to
-desire to do so.
BTW I was around when there was an attempt to move the kernel to C++. It was
somewhere around the 1.0 kernel days. The C++ language wasn't the problem,
the g++ compiler was. It has enough bugs in its implementation at the time so
as a produce unstable kernels. So the team reverted back to C so as to have
a stable compiler base.
-
-<RANT>
Deleted but true. It's a syndrome called "You love what you learn." A lot of
folks learned C, and feel comfortable warping and twisting it to their needs
instead of using a more appropriate vehicle.
BAJ
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Byron A Jeff)
Subject: Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff?
Date: 11 Jun 2001 10:34:31 -0400
In article <9g2if9$q7q$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Ayende Rahien <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
-
-"mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
-news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
-
-> All the things you say C lacks, we could debate, but C does have arrays, C
-does
-> have strings, just not they way you want them.
-
-It does them in a way that in a way that is very easy to get wrong.
-
-char *createCopy(const char * str){
- char *newStr = (char*)malloc(sizeof(char)*strlen(str));
- strcpy(newStr,str);
- return newStr;
-}
-
-Spot the flaw in the function above.
You need to allocate an extra byte for the NULL in the string. You're
overrunning the malloc'ed buffer by one byte.
A very common error. That's why I use strdup if it's available.
BAJ
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I propose a GPL change...
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 17:41:39 +0200
"Donal K. Fellows" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Dave Martel wrote:
> >"Donal K. Fellows" wrote:
> >> You have, of course, missed the point of free software entirely.
> >
> > I'm just getting tired of seeing threads where some lintroll says
> > "yeah, but Windows doesn't have a decent free XYZ application" and a
> > wintroll responds "Yes we do, it's ported from linux!"
> >
> > Gates whines about GPL as a virus but what's this one-way deal with
> > Windows apps? Windows users can run linux apps native (compiling them
> > with the ported gcc) but linux users can't run Windows apps native.
> > (Well, except for the ones that work under WINE, and from what I hear
> > that rules out a lot of apps)
> >
> > Now I ask you, is that fair?
>
> Yes. It is fair. The key is that we are advocating Free Software. You
> don't do that by imposing restrictions on it. Freedom means that even
> people you despise are free to use what you have done.
IIRC, there was this group that violated Smaba's license. (GPL, isn't it?)
They were so pissed off at those guys that even after they fixed whatever it
was that they did wrong, they forbade them from using it ever again.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: Desktop Linux
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 14:46:25 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Terry Porter
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on 10 Jun 2001 00:24:20 GMT
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>On Sat, 09 Jun 2001 22:22:56 GMT, Jesse F. Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>> "Robert Morelli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>>
>>> What's really pathetic is that a lot of UNIX folks still think TeX is
>>> an "advanced" and "powerful" system.
>>
>> Golly, so do I. At least, I would not like to typeset mathematics on
>> anything else. I'm very pleased with LaTeX.
>>
>> I must be pathetic.
>
>Me too, why I'm just pathetic!
I've used Framemaker on Unix, but IMO TeX does a better job.
Guess I'm pathetic, too -- although I'm more of a recreational sort
than a professional mathematician. (But so what? :-) )
[.sigsnip]
--
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[ ] Check here to always compile your own software.
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Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Norman D. Megill)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 14:47:10 GMT
In article <9g2bl8$eq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Encarta, If I remember correctly, is Funk and Wagnels Encyclopedia, thrown
>onto CD by Microsoft.
With content added, deleted, and modified per Microsoft's marketing
agenda. Making it something less than the impartial reference source it
used to be. Anything to do with computers is suspect, as well as
historical events which are regionally tailored for maximum marketing
appeal to local consumers.
--Norm
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff?
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 17:44:02 +0200
"mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> > "green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:9g27iq$b8c$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > project I probably would not choose Phyton as my target language.
It
> > is
> > > > > just simply that more people know C because it is easier - so it
is
> > > > > easier to get more good people to help out your project.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > C is certainly not easier, C is one of the hardest languages in
> > existance.
> > > > It's popular, I'll give you that, but it's not easy.
> > > >
> > > > Pointers is a hard cocept to grasp, manual memory management, no
array
> > > > boundy checking, no *real* arrays, no strings.
> > > > All of those make C to a hard language.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > coming from assembly it's a dream :)
> > > ps I have never coded in assembly. my only attempt over wrote
command.com
> > > with some int
> > > that some one was telling me causing a reboot every time command.com
was
> > > loaded including reboots :)
> > >
> > > those were the days
> >
> > Coming from assembly C looks like English.
> > You *can* understand it!
> >
> > Coming from other languages... It doesn't have much to offer in terms of
> > ease-of-use.
>
> Here I must disagree. I use C and C++ all the time. Languages like Perl,
Java,
> PHP, etc. do not interest me. When ever I try to write something, the
languages
> do not have the ability to manipulate objects as I would in C or C++. Take
> this:
>
> int CountBits(unsigned long *bits, int count)
> {
> int total;
> int limit = count>>2;
> unsigned long chunk;
> for(int i=0; i < limit; i++)
> {
> chunk = *bits++;
> for(int byte=0; byte < sizeof(unsigned long); byte++)
> {
> .....
> }
> }
> }
>
> The above routine can be very fast. Can one write anything even close in
perl,
> Java, etc? Not really, you can kind of port the function, but it will not
be
> nearly as fast.
Again, I'm not talking about the power of the language. I program in C/C++
myself.
I'm talking about the *ease* of the language.
I'm sure you'll agree with me that C isn't a language that is either easy to
learn or easy to write robust code with.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 17:49:33 +0200
"macman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <9g1mta$pbp$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > "Woofbert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > In article
> > > <ZULU6.71646$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Daniel
> > > Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > "Woofbert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dan
> > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > [snip]
> > > > > Yes, it does. It adds new hyperlinks to the user's representation
of
> > the
> > > > > web page. Who controls what hyperlinks are added? Microsoft and
> > whoever
> > > > > pays them enough money.
> > > >
> > > > Actualy, this part isn't so. As is typical for MS, SmartTags
> > > > are a plug-in architecture. Anyone who wants to can write
> > > > new ones.
> > > >
> > > > Paying MS is not required.
> > > >
> > > > Though MS can and no doubt will provide
> > > > their own, included as standard.
> > >
> > > My main question was "Who controls what hyperlinks are added?"
> > >
> > > The answer is "Microsoft and whoever else has enough money to develop
> > > and distribute their own plugins."
> >
> > No, the SmartTags SDK is available for free at MS' site.
> > You can download and roll your own.
> >
> > > This answer is not "the web page author."
> >
> > If he feels like investing its time, yes it is.
> >
> >
>
> OK. Try this.
>
> Create a SmartTags plug in that every time the word "Microsoft" appears
> on a web page, it links to Apple or RedHat. Now, distribute that widely.
> Heck, Windows is such a security mess, you can probably create an e-mail
> virus so everyone on the planet has it in a few weeks.
<o:SmartTagType
name="Microsft"
namespaceuri="urn:schemas:place"
downloadurl="http://www.apple.com";>
</o:SmartTagType>
Okay, so?
> Do you really expect that Microsoft would allow this? Or that they
> _should_ allow this?
No, I don't think so.
Since they aren't doing anything of this kind, I fail to see the
relationship of this arguement.
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 14:58:59 GMT
Said Stuart Fox in alt.destroy.microsoft on Mon, 11 Jun 2001 07:39:55
>"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Sun, 10 Jun 2001 14:17:42 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
>> >
>> >That is, if your driver is present, which most of the time it's not.
>> >And only if the install program sets ther resolution for you, which,
>> >from my experience, it rarely does this.
>>
>> I have a very obscure, low quality card, and it still set it up
>> nicely.
>>
>Try it with an AST PC with an ATI Mach32 on the motherboard.
>
>It won't set it up by itself no matter how hard you try.
I remember back in the mid-90s how ASTs were notorious for being flakey
in supporting each new version of any Windows software (including apps!)
I suppose they haven't improved much.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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