Linux-Advocacy Digest #221, Volume #30 Mon, 13 Nov 00 23:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Linux needs now ... (spicerun)
Re: Linux get new term? (Doc Bill)
Re: Mandrake, thoughts? Opinions? (Glitch)
Most important computer program in the history of humanity ("mmnnoo")
Re: Same old Linux..Nothing new here... (Glitch)
Re: Mandrake, thoughts? Opinions? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Mandrake, thoughts? Opinions? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: True GTK+ will eliminate Qt in next few years? (Kjetil Torgrim Homme)
Re: Uptime -- where is NT? (Jacques Guy)
Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum ("Bruce Schuck")
Re: Most important computer program in the history of humanity (Moderator)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: OS stability (sfcybear)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Bruce Schuck")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 03:05:30 GMT
"Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:jPWP5.126195$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> >
> > I don't think that relates to local delivery - even thousands of local
> > copies shouldn't be much of a problem on a machine designed for
> > that many users.
>
> Nope. The problem definitely was local delivery. You put the staff of a
> medium sized university onto 4 or 5 mailling lists of 300-800 each. If a
hot
> and heavy email discussion gets going it generates 20-50 messages a day
> going out to all those users.
>
> Guess what. The Unix admins tell people to stop discussing. They tell them
> to use other methods.
They have done something wrong then.
> Sendmail can't handle it.
No, it is the particular machine configuration.
> > Does anyone run large lists on exchange?
>
> Writing to an optimized database is quicker.
>
Yes, I don't doubt that exchange can handle the
local side of a list. Can it manage a large
remote list?
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: spicerun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux needs now ...
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 03:02:57 GMT
Pedro Iglesias wrote:
> ... a standar directory scheme and configuration files location
> and syntax and an universal installation method.
Linux has the same standard directory scheme and configuration files
location as Unix. Linux also has several universal installation
methods....rpms, debs, tar.gz, and tar.bz2 packages. Installshield
<blech> is also coming.
> I think these two
> things are big lacks nowadays. Not advocating Windows at all,
> just saying to you what I think are important things I'd like to have
> at my GNU/Linux.
You already have those things. However, what you don't have is that
'one' authoritative way that Windows does limit you to. Why does having
many different ways to do something that allow you to pick your own
favorite method scare you so much?
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From: Doc Bill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.politics.election,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Linux get new term?
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 19:06:14 -0800
Pat McCann wrote:
>
> Doc Bill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > If the government spends my money to develope software, then
> > as a tax payer I should have the right to use that software.
> >
> > So there are three merits for open source only in the government:
> >
> > 1. Better accountability.
> >
> > 2. It is a resource owned by the people.
> >
> > 3. Reduced costs.
>
> Without a doubt, except that you are arguing that government-sponsored
> software should not be copyrighted -- that it should be required to be
No I said what I mean. Don't put other words into my mouth.
<text attempting to put words in my mouth deleted>
By definition, all public domain software is "open source". However,
not all "open source" software is public domain. I am making the weaker
of the two arguments. I'm saying I would like all software the government
uses to be "open source". I'm not decided myself on the issue whether I
would prefer that to be a proprietary license like GPL that forced it
to stay "open source", or just a free for all "public domain".
I think all government developed software could be made "public domain".
But unless I want the government to join the software industry, it would
be unreasonable to expect all software used by the government to be
"public domain".
Open source is good enough. I'm fairly certain if it ever did become
law, the best anyone could hope for is for the definition of government
"open source" to cover the scope of OSI certifiable software.
Bill
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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 22:11:32 -0500
From: Glitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mandrake, thoughts? Opinions?
So you like spending money for no personal gain at all? If u like doing
that how about emailing me your credit card #?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Personally I'd rather have a blank CDR than one with Linux on it. At
> least a blank is useful to me, unlike Linux.
>
> I ordered a copy because it is certainly cheap enough, and I like to
> see how the other half is suffering. You'll be back to Windows soon
> Pete, just like you did last time.
>
> All in good time. All in good time.
>
> claire
>
> On Mon, 13 Nov 2000 23:00:51 +0000, Pete Goodwin
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> >> I'd rather get coal for Christmas than Linux.
> >
> >Then why did you order a copy of Linux Mandrake 7.2, as you said in another
> >topic?
> >
> >I've bought several - they're cheap enough. I've got RedHat, Slakware,
> >Mandrake 7.0, 7.1 and 7.2
> >
> >Would you like me to send you a lump of coal? Would that be the smokeless
> >kind or the old smelly stuff?
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From: "mmnnoo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.ms.windows.advocacy
Subject: Most important computer program in the history of humanity
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 03:11:24 GMT
A Microsoft exec dubs Windows 2000
"the most important computer program in the history of humanity"
(http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/nov2000/nf20001113_046.htm)
Although this strikes me as ridiculous and somewhat offensive, I can't
think of any other computer programs that really deserve the title, either.
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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 22:16:35 -0500
From: Glitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Same old Linux..Nothing new here...
if you are so smart in using windows why did u buy mandrake for $10 when
u could have downloaded it? or do u use a 56k modem and figured u
woudlnt spend the time doing so?
If i dont like something i dont buy it even if i would appreciate what i
do like more. I'd use the $10 on a tank of gas than buying an OS i'd
never use in order to appreciate more the one i *do* use. That is just
demented , and a waste of money.
when u get the Taurus u are forced to , no one forces you to buy
Mandrake, except that little voice in your head that says 'waste your
hard earned money on something you will never use'
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On Mon, 13 Nov 2000 20:23:08 -0500, Glitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >if you don't like what people say about Mandrake ( i said mandrake mind
> >you, not linux) then why did you buy it?
>
> For $10.00 or so why not?
> Using it for even 10 minutes allows me to appreciate Windows so much
> more.
> It's like having to drive one of those awful Ford Taurus's that Hertz
> always seems to rent me when I travel on business, and then getting
> into my Impala SS once again when I return home.
>
> >also, we've seen you complain about linux in general so if u don't like
> >it why do you use it? please answer. i've love to hear this one.
>
> Someday, maybe, possibly, Linux might actually turn into a swan
> instead of being the ugly duckling that it currently is.
>
> If I'm still alive if / when that happens, I'm 40 now, I'd like to be
> one of the first to experience it.
>
> claire
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Mandrake, thoughts? Opinions?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 03:13:56 GMT
I can't take it with me.
claire
On Mon, 13 Nov 2000 22:11:32 -0500, Glitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>So you like spending money for no personal gain at all? If u like doing
>that how about emailing me your credit card #?
>
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> Personally I'd rather have a blank CDR than one with Linux on it. At
>> least a blank is useful to me, unlike Linux.
>>
>> I ordered a copy because it is certainly cheap enough, and I like to
>> see how the other half is suffering. You'll be back to Windows soon
>> Pete, just like you did last time.
>>
>> All in good time. All in good time.
>>
>> claire
>>
>> On Mon, 13 Nov 2000 23:00:51 +0000, Pete Goodwin
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> >
>> >> I'd rather get coal for Christmas than Linux.
>> >
>> >Then why did you order a copy of Linux Mandrake 7.2, as you said in another
>> >topic?
>> >
>> >I've bought several - they're cheap enough. I've got RedHat, Slakware,
>> >Mandrake 7.0, 7.1 and 7.2
>> >
>> >Would you like me to send you a lump of coal? Would that be the smokeless
>> >kind or the old smelly stuff?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Mandrake, thoughts? Opinions?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 03:17:21 GMT
Running Linux is a riot for me. It's really one of the funniest things
on the planet. Much cheaper then going to a comedy club and listening
to stale jokes all night.
Linux is one of the biggest farces ever fostered on the public. It is
quite funny.
Combine it with reading this group and my sides are aching from
laughing so much.
Sure as hell beats the comedy channel.
claire
On Mon, 13 Nov 2000 22:11:32 -0500, Glitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>So you like spending money for no personal gain at all? If u like doing
>that how about emailing me your credit card #?
>
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> Personally I'd rather have a blank CDR than one with Linux on it. At
>> least a blank is useful to me, unlike Linux.
>>
>> I ordered a copy because it is certainly cheap enough, and I like to
>> see how the other half is suffering. You'll be back to Windows soon
>> Pete, just like you did last time.
>>
>> All in good time. All in good time.
>>
>> claire
>>
>> On Mon, 13 Nov 2000 23:00:51 +0000, Pete Goodwin
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> >
>> >> I'd rather get coal for Christmas than Linux.
>> >
>> >Then why did you order a copy of Linux Mandrake 7.2, as you said in another
>> >topic?
>> >
>> >I've bought several - they're cheap enough. I've got RedHat, Slakware,
>> >Mandrake 7.0, 7.1 and 7.2
>> >
>> >Would you like me to send you a lump of coal? Would that be the smokeless
>> >kind or the old smelly stuff?
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From: Kjetil Torgrim Homme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: True GTK+ will eliminate Qt in next few years?
Date: 14 Nov 2000 03:56:07 +0100
[Donovan Rebbechi]
> >* No standards for name mangling, leading to backwards compatibility
> > horrors.
>
> In theory, yes. In practice, we've also seen backward
> compatibility problems with libc.
Note the crossposting. I can't recall any such problems in Solaris,
we're still using binaries from 1991.
> >* Very hard to make bindings to languages other than C++.
>
> extern "C".
That easy, huh? How do you pass, say, a QStack?
> >The Unix ABI is based on C. Live with it.
>
> If this attitude prevailed, you wouldn't be using a computer in
> the first place.
The ABI must be based on the lowest common denominator. With the wide
differences between languages, I don't see an alternative to C which
will bring any significant advantages. Perhaps Fortran90.
Kjetil T.
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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 03:29:26 +0000
From: Jacques Guy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Uptime -- where is NT?
Marty wrote:
> Allow me to interject some personal experience.
>
> My OS/2 emulation web site is hosted by the kind folks at VintageGaming.com.
> They gave me unlimited space and my own domain name. They were running on a
> reliable old Solaris box which never gave me one ounce of trouble.
>
> Recently, they decided it would be a great idea to take this smoothly working
> setup and install Win2K as the web server in its place. I now had to change
> my content in two ways:
>
> 1. My index.html page had to become default.htm (requiring changes in all
> of the sub-pages that link back to this page)
> 2. All of the CGI stuff I was using had to be canned, rebuilt, or replaced
>
> If that was the extent of the trouble, it would have been inconvenient, but
> tolerable, but it wasn't. Take a look now at where
> http://emuos2.vintagegaming.com is now. Or even
> http://www.vintagegaming.com. Can't reach it, can you? It's been like this
> on and off for 2 weeks. It has been down more than it has been up by a ratio
> of 100:1.
I tried both URLs and, in both cases, I got timed out.
Not to worry: it's a FEATURE! And I prove it...
>From the name, I guess it's a vintage-game site. Bit
frivolous, isn't it?
Weeellll.... thanks to the AI inbuilt in Win2K,
vintage-game servers get the lowest priorities.
How is it done? I have no idea, and I did not
even know it was possible. Which only goes to
demonstrate the technological superiority of
Win2K and Microsoft: they manage to pull off
tricks which I though impossible!
I hope that the WinTrolls are reading this.
I'm giving them so many good ideas... a
crate of Laphroaig, perhaps? Talisker will
do too. Thank you in advance, dear Trollies.
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From: "Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 19:44:22 -0800
"Steve Mading" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8uppi0$h4c$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy ! ! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> : Chad doesnt know this, because chad is faking his experience again. He
actually
> : had no DB experience to speak of, no linux or unix experience to speak
of, and
> : only understands windows in the most rudimentary fashion.
>
> Get this: In another part of this thread he tried claiming that having the
> database use a file (as opposed to a raw partition) is the most typical
> way to do it, and most everyone does it like that. Chad must have a
> wacky definition of "most everyone".
On Windows it is the typical way to do it. From Oracle
http://technet.oracle.com/tech/nt/rdbms/rdbmswin.htm:
Raw File Support
Like UNIX, Windows supports the concept of raw files, which are basically
unformatted disk partitions that can be used as one large file. Raw files
have the benefit of no file system overhead, since they are unformatted
partitions. As a result, using raw files for database or log files can have
a slight performance gain. However, the downside to using raw files is
manageability since standard Windows commands do not support manipulating or
backing up raw files. As a result, raw files are generally used only by very
high-end installations and by Oracle Parallel Server, where they are
required.
On the other hand, Oracle on NT has advantages:
File I/O Enhancements
One other area in which much work has been done in the Oracle8i code
concerns support for large files and for raw files. In an effort to
guarantee that all features of Windows are fully exploited by Oracle8i, the
database supports 64-bit file I/O to allow the use of files larger than 4GB
in size. In addition, physical and logical raw files are supported as data,
log, and control files in order to enable Oracle Parallel Server on Windows
and also for those cases where performance needs to be maximized.
64-bit File I/O
Internally, all Oracle8i file I/O routines support 64-bit file offsets,
meaning that there are no 2GB or 4GB file size limitations when it comes to
data, log, or control files as is the case on some other platforms. In fact,
the limitations that are in place are generic Oracle limitations across all
ports. These limits include 4 million database blocks per file, 16KB maximum
block size, and 64K files per database. If these values are multiplied, the
maximum file size for a database file on Windows is calculated to be 64GB
while the maximum total database size supported (with 16KB database blocks)
is 4 petabytes
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From: Moderator <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.ms.windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Most important computer program in the history of humanity
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 22:43:04 -0500
mmnnoo wrote:
>
> A Microsoft exec dubs Windows 2000
> "the most important computer program in the history of humanity"
> (http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/nov2000/nf20001113_046.htm)
>
> Although this strikes me as ridiculous and somewhat offensive, I can't
> think of any other computer programs that really deserve the title, either.
I remember before Win2000 came out, they dubbed Windows 2000 one of the
greatest works in the history of mankind, and compared it to the
pyramids of Egypt and some other things. No joke.
--
-Moderator
"Unfairly but truthfully, our party has been tagged as
being against things. Anti-immigrant, for example."
-George W. Bush, New York Times, 7/2/2000
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,alt.linux.sucks
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 22:48:24 -0500
Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> "T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Said Ayende Rahien in alt.destroy.microsoft;
> > >"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > >> >As a bonus, it makes this action the default for non-associated
> files...
> > >> >which means double clicking on ANY unregistered file type will open it
> in
> > >> >notepad instead of bringing up that damned 'which application' box.
> > >>
> > >> And perhaps that's not at all what I wanted to do? This isn't a bonus,
> > >> BTW: it is the only thing your technique does. Unfortunately, it
> > >> doesn't do what I am describing at all.
> > >
> > >You want to add Notepad option for all file types, right?
> >
> > No, I wanted to be able to open any file with Notepad, at my option.
>
> Okay, here is how you do it.
> Start>Run> "Regedit"
> Go to:
> "HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\*\"
> if there is a sub key call "shell", go to it, otherwise, create it.
> In "HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\*\shell", delete any previous attempt to do the
> notepad.
> Then create a subkey to "HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\*\shell\" called "notepad"
> create a subkey to "HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\*\shell\notepad" called "command"
> Go to "HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\*\shell\notepad\command\" and double click the
> default value. (called "(Default)" )
> Enter "C:\Windows\Notepad.exe %1" at the edit string box that would appear.
>
> That should bring notepad as alternative for all files on the computer,
> (right click, and it would appear)
> If you don't want it this as a default action for unknown file types, go to:
> "HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Unknown\shell" and change the default value there
> "(Default)" to "openas"
> This should do it.
So when does it begin to get "INTUITIVE" ????
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OS stability
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 03:43:45 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi) wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Nov 2000 21:10:35 GMT, sfcybear wrote:
>
> >> I don't consider adding to a glorified pissing contest to be a
> >meaningful
> >> or valuable exercise.
> >
> >
> >then why did you do it?????
>
> I'm not "adding to it". I'm complaining about your conduct.
Your right, you are NOT adding to the discution, you are whining. you
are doning NOTHING BUT INSULTING PEOPLE!!! JUST BECAUSE THEY USE CAPS...
WHAT ARE YOU YOU GOING TO WHINE ABOUT NEXT? SOME ONE DOES NOT USED MORE
THAN THREE PERIODS FOR A CONTINUANCE.......?????? HMMMM LITTLE BOY
DIDN"T YOUR MOTHER TEACH YOU HOW TO PLAY NICE?????
Now as you can see I can be as insulting as you have been. now what is
it with you that your refuse to discuse the topic? Don't have anything
positive to say, and the debate going a way you don't like and you can
not use any legitimate arguments so you throw personal insults?
>
> --
> Donovan
>
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: "Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 19:55:00 -0800
"Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:IIOP5.419$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:QeqP5.125604$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:99nP5.19049$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > "Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:OdeP5.125412$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Now that thats out of the way, when will Linux stop allowing
root
> > > > exploits
> > > > > > so easily?
> > > > >
> > > > > Only if you memorize all the icons and logos for all the programs
> > > > > you find at freshmeat.net.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > As I suspected. Linux root exploits forever!
> > >
> > > Just like that Other OS... except you don't have to wait 6 months for
a
> > > service pack that will break something else you run.
> >
> > Easy root exploits are a Linux specialty.
>
> The ability to quickly adapt to and eliminate such holes is yet another.
>
> I can understand the number of exploits on Linux systems, as designing
> security requires a great deal more expertise than it does for, say, NT. I
> should know, I'm presently starting the learning process and have quite a
> way to go yet. (My last Unixesque experience involved SCO XENIX System V,
an
> AST Six Pack, a 386-16DX (Double Sigma Stamped), and some 1200 BPS Wyse
> terminals). What I've seen so far, tends to support the "stupid
> administrator" argument. The tools are there. Understanding them fully is
> another matter. No nice radio buttons or "Are You Sure About This?"
Message
> Boxes. NT has Linux beat there, hands down.
>
> The one thing that sells me on Linux, as a programmer, is the source code.
> Proper string handling routines nullify buffer overflow exploits.
And yet, when you check the security pages for Linux, it seems almost every
exploit is a buffer overlow one.
> And as for
> things I can't fix with a compiler, there's always a guru or two out there
> who has the answers. Their response times far out-do Redmond's and that's
to
> be expected. Nerds don't have the scheduling and time constraints of a
large
> multi-national conglomerate.
Because of the number of exploits I must assume that security is way down
the list of projects that Linux programmers consider interesting.
>
> While I'm not as vitriolic as some of you are, <grin> I'm sold on the
> Free-Source Movement.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 22:53:59 -0500
Christopher Smith wrote:
>
> "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:hvLO5.16178$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:8ue4go$69q$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > >
> > > Personally I believe the important sacrifices have already been made. I
> > > doubt many of the people who were burnt the first time will allow it to
> > > happen again. Lessons learnt hard are lessons learnt well.
> >
> > Considering that it is Microsoft itself that is now learning the lesson,
> > I think things will change in the future... Do you consider it safe to
> > store your credit card number or other personal or financial information
> > on the same machine that is ready and willing to execute any code
> > someone sends you without letting you realize that it is unusual
> > content for an email attachment?
>
> Which would be, er, any machine I can think of.
>
> > Would you let your family or friends
> > that you trust not to damage anything intentionally use outlook on this
> > machine?
>
> "Rm" will do a far more effective job of accidentally damaging things that
> outlook will. Should we take out rm ?
does rm SUCCESSFULLY remove files without the permission of someone
who is AUTHORIZED to do so?
A) yes
B) NO
game
set
match
YOU LOSE
>
> > > That can be explained in about 10 lines of instructions. Or it can be
> > > centrally distributed as a registry patch by the sysadmin.
> >
> > Perfect - you want to train users to open *.reg files they
> > receive in email???
>
> Well personally I'd have it run as part of the login script, but not
> everyone does that.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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