Linux-Advocacy Digest #322, Volume #30 Mon, 20 Nov 00 09:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: Of course, there is a down side... ("Tom Wilson")
Re: I have had it up to *here* with Linux ("Tom Wilson")
Re: Linux as a file and print server platform? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: I have had it up to *here* with Linux (Stefan Ohlsson)
Re: Of course, there is a down side... (Andy Newman)
Re: MS Office goes SUBSCRIPTION! (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Uptime -- where is NT? (Charlie Ebert)
New Mp3 Site ("James Wilson")
Re: I have had it up to *here* with Linux (Uncle Fester)
Re: Linux (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Linux (Pete Goodwin)
Re: MS Office goes SUBSCRIPTION! (Pan)
Re: MS Office goes SUBSCRIPTION! ("MH")
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:05:11 GMT
"JS/PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Goldhammer wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Gary Hallock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >
> > > > > Why use a junky editor such as notepad on Linux when there are
> > > > >so many better editors available?
> > > >
> > > > If I want a quick & dirty text editor, notepad is my choice.
> > >
> > > If I want a quick and dirty gui text editor under windows,
> > > I'll download a decent one.
> > >
> > > It's beyond my understanding how MS, a billion+ dollar
> > > company, can ship an OS with such a shit default text
> > > editor. With all their massive resources, they still
> > > haven't ever provided the user with basic text editor
> > > fuctionality.
> >
> >
> > That's because Micro-sheep are too stupid to demand better.
>
> It's an operaiting system, not a text editor.
> The second that they include a text editor with any advanced fuctionality
> whatsoever the ant-ms crowd will start weeping and wailing that they're
> trying to put the little guy making a text editor out of business.
Didn't seem to stop them where Browsers were concerned...
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I have had it up to *here* with Linux
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:05:18 GMT
"Black Dragon " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> On Sun, 19 Nov 2000 21:00:10 GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> `[EMAIL PROTECTED]' said:
>
> : On Sun, 19 Nov 2000 20:15:09 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> : (Black Dragon ) wrote:
> :
> : >
> : >On Sun, 19 Nov 2000 19:49:31 GMT in alt.linux,
> : ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> `[EMAIL PROTECTED]' said:
> : >
> : >[cross posts trimmed claire's current whore house]
> : >
> : >: On Sun, 19 Nov 2000 11:50:49 -0500, Chas2K
> : >: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : >:
> : >:
> : >: >over and over to get just these reactions from you. I will build a
kill
> : >: >filter for Clair the Troll as soon as this post goes out. It will
reside
> : >: >along side the one for pencil-dick Rev. Kool who trolls the BSD
> : >: >newgroups.
> : >: >
> : >:
> : >: There is your first problem.
> : >:
> : >: " Building" a kill filter.
> : >:
> : >: I just killfiled you with 2 mouse clicks..
> : >:
> : >: Bamm...into the Bozo bin...
> : >:
> : >: claire
> : >:
> : >: Linux "The only OS you have to build as you go along".
> : >
> : >Fuck'n blow me you cheap cock sucking whore. Why don't you go fuck
> : >around in Pimp Billy's news groups with all the other skanky
> : >whores, and let the Linux folk go about their business.
> : >
> : >5 keystrokes later ....
> : >
> : >*PLONK*
>
>
> : Another fine example of a Penguinista in his native environment.
>
> Not quite bitch. I adminsister a heterogeneous network, using the best
> tools for the jobs, and Windows is one of them. You really ought to
> get youself some netiqutte and learn how to post properly, ya' skanky
> fucking cunt.
Pot. Kettle. Black.
Good Lord, kid...You're more in need of that advice than she. This is an OS
advocacy group, not an open forum for pimp wannabes. Grow up!
>
> --
> Black Dragon
>
> Sign The Linux Driver Petition:
> http://www.libralinux.com/petition.english.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux as a file and print server platform?
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:05:40 GMT
If you plan to share files amongst groups of users you will need a
good understanding of the suid bit as it applies to directories under
Unix. You will also need a good understanding of umasks as well.
Samba lacks flexible access control lists.
The original method of sharing files under Unix was NFS. NFS uses
machine-based security and UID's for authentication and many people do
not consider it secure enough to be used in a modern network
environment.
Samba was developed to allow existing Unix servers to act as file and
print servers for the huge influx of Windows based clients appearing
over the last decade.
On Sun, 19 Nov 2000 02:12:32 -0600, "Jeff Turley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>I currentley work on a High Schools LAN and we are using all Novell for our
>file and print services. We are looking to make a move to a new network
>operating system in the next year to year and a half. I am looking for a
>source on good information on the use of Linux as a file and print serving
>platform. I currently have 8 file servers 1 intranet server with
>aproxmentley 550 clients and about 25 to 30 printers. Is this an
>environment that SAMBA could support? I need good perfromance but I also
>need ease of administration. If anybody can give me some feedback on this
>or some good web sites to go to that would be great. Thanks
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stefan Ohlsson)
Subject: Re: I have had it up to *here* with Linux
Reply-To: Stefan Ohlsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 20 Nov 2000 12:43:53 +0100
Pete Goodwin wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Edward Rosten) wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>The original poster said:
>"code runs faster on Linux"
>yet I found POVray ran slightly slower on Linux.
>That's what I was commenting on. And you've just demonstrated it too.
>
How did he demostrate that?
To know wheter code runs faster on Win* or Linux, the program needs to
be _exactly_ the same. Different compilers can skew the result all the
way to the opposite.
You proved that POV compiled with a specific Win* compiler ran faster on Win
than POV compiled with a specific Linux compiler on Linux. Exactly what
can be interpreted out of that I don't know, other than the obvious fact
in the last sentence. It's interensting nevertheless.
/Stefan
--
[ Stefan Ohlsson ] · There will always be survivors - Robert A. Heinlein · []
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andy Newman)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:45:41 GMT
Mike Byrns wrote:
>No Les, YOU need one with regex capability. You are not representative of the
>typical computer user. Try something -- stop some folks next time you're at
>the mall -- ask them what a regular expression is...
Grog, that fire stuff is useless! Ask any of the clan. Have they heard of it?
--
Oi! Oi! Oi!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: MS Office goes SUBSCRIPTION!
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:55:10 GMT
In article <614S5.9186$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Erik Fukenbusch wrote:
>"Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In article <i%_R5.9167$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>> >What's your point? If you plan to stay current with the software, it's a
>> >great deal.
>> >
>>
>> Nice try meathead. The subscription doesn't update any of your
>> software. When your subscription time is UP - YOU ARE OFF!
>>
>> The way your talking about this thing you'd think you
>> knew what the fuck you were talking about.
>>
>> I'm talking about MS OFFICE 10, not DEBIAN you moron.
>
>Try paying attention instead. If you plan to stay current with Office,
>buying each new version as it comes out, it's cheaper to go the subscription
>route than it is to repurchase office after every release.
>
No it won't be meathead.
>Also, it doesn't stop working after your subscription is up. It simply
>stops allow you to create new documents.
>
Oh Mr. Fukenbusch! I'm glad you cleared that up for all of us!
Charlie
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Uptime -- where is NT?
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:59:16 GMT
In article <234S5.9187$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Erik Fukenbusch wrote:
>"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > The chart is meaningless. Again, Netcraft says categorically that NT4
>SP4,
>> > 5 and 6 are either completley incapable of providing uptime information
>or
>> > give completely inaccurate results. Since SP4 includes the Y2k patches,
>it
>> > seems likely that Starbucks could have only been running SP5, since SP4
>and
>> > SP6 don't give uptime information at all. And SP5 gives random uptime
>> > results (not even counting the 49.7 day problem). Thus, you can't draw
>any
>> > conclusions from the NT4 graph other than NT4's uptime is inaccurate.
>>
>> Translation: Microsoft is incapable of writing an accurate "uptime"
>> program for LoseDOS Neutered Technology.
>>
>> Why is that?
>
>Well, neither is Sun or or the Linux developers either. Since both of those
>give incorrect results after a ceratain amount of time as well.
>
>When will you learn that you should watch what you say, since the same
>argument can be used against you?
>
>
>
>
Mr. Fukenbusch! You have a brain tumor!
Instead of doing this, why don't you spit out your
creamy asparagus at the dinner table tonight!
Charlie
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From: "James Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
be.comp.os.linux,biz.dgsys.linux,borland.public.interbase.linux,comp.local.linux.redhat.alpha,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.68k,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: New Mp3 Site
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:58:59 GMT
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From: Uncle Fester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.linux,alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: I have had it up to *here* with Linux
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 13:09:20 GMT
Keldon Warlord wrote:
>
> no...what I'm saying is that this is the only DVD player that I have...and I
> sure as hell don't want to mess it up!
Don't worry, Mr. Warlord. Linux will not "mess up" your DVD drive.
Worst case scenario would just see it inoperative, but certainly not
"messed up". If that were to happen, just keep a dual-boot going on
your machine & use the Windows side for your DVD's until suitable
drivers are made. I don't see the point of them personally, I didn't
build a computer to watch TV on it... but I digress. I know my opinion
on this matter is in the minority. Get you a cheap CD-ROM to go with it
(always good to have 2 drives anyways) & you'll be good to go. You
*should* be able to afford $20-30 from a local computer show, no? ;-)
> besides, do you really think I can get away with buying a seperate DVD
> player AFTER I bought this new computer?! ;-)
Ummm, okay... Hope your expensive "Ninja-computer" didn't come with a
cheap winmodem, or they *really* saw you coming!
--
Chuck Kandler
Never underestimate the power of
Stupid People in large groups.
Registered Linux User #180746
http://counter.li.org
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 13:21:38 GMT
In article <8v7qvr$vtm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The problem with most Linux geekvocates is that they don't understand
that
> people don't *want* an OS, what they want is to be productive or have
fun on
> their PC. Only OS geeks and developers actually *like* or need to
have
> interaction with the OS.
Can't argue with that.
>
> Linux isn't even remotely close to being able to be deployed in front
of
> consumers. It is one of the most unintuitive, hard to use systems
around.
> That doesn't necessarily make Linux a bad OS, but it does make it hard
to
> penetrate the consumer market where MS concentrates almost all of
their
> effort on ease-of-use.
Can't argue with this either, though Mandrake 7.2 is making great
strides in this area.
> Additionally, MS makes it so easy for developers to write for MS OSes.
Take
> MSDN subscriptions for example.
Yes, as a Windows developer MSDN is the most useful package you can have
to program Windows.
> Also, look at how hard MS works to make a gaming API. DirectX. It
really
> is a terrific API. If some Linux guru could emulate DirectX on Linux
or
> even implement it on Linux directly, wow, just think at how easy it
would be
> to port games and the like over to Linux.
And it's in version 8 now. Took them a while to get to something that's
useable! Didn't Quake developers prefer OpenGL to DirectX 3D originally?
> There are just so many other examples of why Windows 2000 and the like
are
> way beyond Linux. Look at DCOM+. Linux doesn't have anything *like*
it.
CORBA?
> I can write a simple COM object (it has become a lot easier to write
COM
> objects) - and use it or imbed it into *any* COM aware application
(which is
> just about every major piece of software for Windows).
Microsoft seem to excel in creating interfaces that are (i) overweight
and (ii) pretty awful to use. My impression is that they've never heard
of KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid).
Have you tried using the SetupDi* routines? They're pretty horrendous to
get through!
> Hell, I could go on and on. But the religious Lunitix here will just
write
> it off and wonder why so many people still prefer to *buy* Windows
rather
> than use Linux for free.
I prefer Windows over Linux because I know Windows and I have enough
tools for Windows for me to do what I want to do. However, that is
shifting slowly.
--
---
Pete
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 13:29:58 GMT
In article <8td7ff$kt4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What makes you so sure that MS is not the one that is going to be at
the
> mercy of foces beyond it's control, ie Linux?
Microsoft have yet to be affected by the recent court case finding them
guilt of being a monopoly. The court case continues and nothing has
changed.
Microsoft, of course, will not last forever.
> ???? What the hell are you saying? ??? IBH offers commrecial support
for
> linux.
Most hardware manufactures supply Windows drivers FIRST before Linux.
> Yes if it has not done so, Linux is about ready to overtake MS in the
> server market.
What about the desktop market? That's what the original post was about.
> > Computer enthusiasts are the smaller market, the ones who want
>
> They are the trend setters and the peole who other people go to for
> advice! I advise Linux now.
Us computer enthusiasts could hardly be said to be the "trend setters".
We're seen as nerds or geeks, hardly the shiny new elite!
> Never mind that it is extreamly useful as a web server platform today!
Which is useless for a desktop environment, but great as a server. How
many consumers want to run a web server? They want to run applications
or games or whatever.
--
---
Pete
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Pan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MS Office goes SUBSCRIPTION!
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 06:06:51 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> Also, it doesn't stop working after your subscription is up. It simply
> stops allow you to create new documents.
lmao...
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://salvador.venice.ca.us
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From: "MH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MS Office goes SUBSCRIPTION!
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:06:05 -0500
Just a quick question. Since no self respecting linadvocate would be caught
dead using MS office, what F'n difference does it make to this group?
I don't understand cola logic at all.
Back to your regular programming of BS and flames.
"Patrick Raymond Hancox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:7j3S5.492$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Calm down Charlie, it's just software in the end.
>
> As I read the press release, he (Erik) is correct* Any updates that come
out
> during a subscription period are released no-charge. As you noted, when
the
> subscription is expired the user will no longer have access to the Office
10
> service/application/portal/whatever. Isn't this just like a newspaper is
not
> delivering after you stop subscribing. Non-subscription versions of office
> appear to be avaible in the usual way (i.e. CD-ROM).
>
> To me this is notheing surprising to hear. The ASP model is something MS
has
> been kicking around for a while, but yet to implement large scale. They
have
> been doing some small ASP tests using the Windows Terminal Server product
> and Office2000 for about 1 year now. This is the first big deploy.
>
> Might be a good thing, might not, hardly earthshaking in any case.
>
> Patrick
>
> * quote marketing blather below*
>
> >>>LAS VEGAS -- Nov. 13, 2000 -- Today at COMDEX/Fall 2000, Microsoft
Corp.
> announced a new subscription offering for "Office 10," the code name for
the
> next version of Microsoft® Office, which will provide customers with an
> exciting new opportunity to subscribe to the world's leading desktop
> productivity suite for an annual fee. This new model will enable home and
> small-business customers to acquire the latest version of Office at a
lower
> initial cost while receiving product upgrades released during their
> subscription at no additional expense. Customers will be able to obtain
> their subscription via a new packaged product at retail stores in select
> worldwide regions when "Office 10" becomes available toward the end of the
> first half of 2001. The subscription can be renewed annually via telephone
> or over the Internet, or by acquiring a new subscription product at retail
> stores.
>
>
> "Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In article <i%_R5.9167$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Erik Funkenbusch
wrote:
> > >What's your point? If you plan to stay current with the software, it's
a
> > >great deal.
> > >
> >
> > Nice try meathead. The subscription doesn't update any of your
> > software. When your subscription time is UP - YOU ARE OFF!
> >
> > The way your talking about this thing you'd think you
> > knew what the fuck you were talking about.
> >
> > I'm talking about MS OFFICE 10, not DEBIAN you moron.
> >
> > Hope this helps!
> >
> > Charlie
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >If you don't, you can just buy the non-subscription version.
> > >
> > >"Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >>
> > >> The END commeth NEARETH WINTROLLS!
> > >>
> > >> Microsoft has announced subscription based service
> > >> for MS Office 10.
> > >>
> > >>
http://www.microsoft.com/PressPass/press/2000/Nov00/SubscriptionPR.asp
> > >>
> > >> BTW, I cut this from my Netscape navigator and pasted it in SLRN
> > >> in a terminal box.
> > >>
> > >> Love
> > >>
> > >> Charlie
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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