Linux-Advocacy Digest #322, Volume #31 Sun, 7 Jan 01 16:13:06 EST
Contents:
Re: linux does NOT suck (oh yes it does) (Roberto Alsina)
Re: linux does NOT suck (oh yes it does) (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant. ("Kyle Jacobs")
Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks. ("Kyle Jacobs")
Re: you dumb. and lazy. ("Kyle Jacobs")
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? ("Chad Myers")
Re: linux reaches the big screen (Form@C)
Re: Exceptions! (WAS: Re: Global Configuration tool) (Peter Hayes)
Re: Typical Linsux..They can't even view their own movie!!! (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Why NT? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: How the f*ck do I install .xpi plugins ? (Jim Richardson)
Re: linux does NOT suck (oh yes it does) (Jim Richardson)
Re: Sucking Linux 2.0.4!!! (Jim Richardson)
Re: Uptimes (Jim Richardson)
Re: Why Hatred? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux is easier to install than windows (sfcybear)
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: linux does NOT suck (oh yes it does)
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 18:25:20 GMT
In article <935j2c$69c$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "Roberto Alsina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:935baf$5ob$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In article <9356ot$rqr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > "Roberto Alsina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:932c5b$ju6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > In article <9306l2$5sc$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > > "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > > > Because although it knows the options change, it has no
> > > > > > > > idea of HOW they change. For example, if optionA is now
> > > > > > > > deprecated, and those who set optionA to valueA should
now
> > > > > > > > set optionB to valueB, it won't know, and it will (in
Gus
> > > > > > > > Grissom's words) screw the pooch.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The program doesn't need to remember the settings, it read
> > > > > > > them from the file.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And the setting is still the old one.
> > > > >
> > > > > No, because when the program installed itself, it would either
> > > > > replace the file with a new, default one, or update the file
> > > > > format.
> > > >
> > > > So, you have the choice of losing the configuration or hope
there's
> > > > a converting tool.
> > >
> > > Of course there would be.
> >
> > Never seen one, really. Why would program writers do it?
>
> Assuming that there would be a common file format, there would be
> GPL/LGPL functions/classes/programs to read/write/convert it.
Sure. So what? You seem to live in the dark ages, where everyone
read its config file through raw libc functions?
Hereīs a hint: if the program can read its config file, it already
has the code to parse it!
[snip some]
> > > I expect the program makers to be able to read the file and change
> > > the file format to include the new options & won't include the old
> > > settings which are no longer include in the new version.
> >
> > You are expecting the program maker to write a config file
converter.
> > I still see no reason why they will bother. Not to mention that
doing
> > so becomes more difficult each version.
>
> No, I'm expecting it to use a GPL/LGPL tool to convert it.
So, you expect this magical tool to exist. Who will write it, and
how will it work? I still donīt see any specifics about how it
could work except Kyle Jacobīs "idea" to use AI.
> > > > And it can indeed be a terribly difficult thing to do.
> > >
> > > I disagree.
> >
> > You know, I *did* have to write such a thing (krnconvert, check it
> > out in KRN 0.6.9, it didn't quite work) and it was a nightmare.
> > Now, why do you say it will be easy? Is it just a belief?
>
> I'm assuming wide-spread use of this file format, if that would be
> the case, there would be GPL/LGPL ways to deal with it.
There were free, comfortable ways to access all the file formats
involved in the development of krnconvert. Even more, I had all the
code used by the old and the new version to turn the data files into
objects used by the program. It was still a nightmare. Trust me, just
because there is a parser, that is not the hard part!
> If that would be the case, then a programmer would only need to fetch
> those functions & use them.
You must not be a programmer.
> Reading from the file itself is a non-trivial task compare to the
> fscanf you need to read from a flat text file that linux programs use
> today.
Ye gods.
> I'm assuming the existance of ways to deal with it.
I will mention you the tools used in my example: KConfig, Gigabase and
GNU gdbm (with a convenience OO wrapper thingy). No fscanf there.
[snip a bit]
> > > If I install a new program I fully expect it to be able to read
> > > the old format and covert it to the new one.
> >
> > You haven't installed much software, have you?
>
> Only a couple of thousands of applications.
And how many had config file converting tools?
> > > > And this is really the easy part, still. What happens if you
> > > > have interdependent settings? For instance, What happens if a
> > > > global default setting changes the options available for others?
> > > >
> > > > For example:
> > > >
> > > > if A is "a", then B can be "1" or "2".
> > > > if A is "b", then B can be "3" or "4".
> > > > if A is "c", then B must be "5".
> > >
> > > Check the file, it now has dependencies check.
> >
> > What file?
>
> http://www10.ewebcity.com/ayende/lmc.xml
Thanks. Looks like totally unfit for human writing.
> > > I'll improve it sometimes this week.
> >
> > You are shifting the complexity around. You moved the dependency
> > checking from the config tool into the file format. Now the file
> > format is less human readable. Writing a config file from scratch
> > is now almost impossible. Way to go!
>
> I think that a common file format such as the one in the file above
> is worth the disadvantages you mentioned.
Ok. Why?
> Someone else could write a better file format, more human readable.
>
> > Complexity doesn't usually vanish in the air, and I see no signs of
> > this particular instance doing that.
>
> Userwise, it does.
Sadly, itīs not the users who produce free software.
> The user can configure all his programs from one tool, and I don't
> mean pico, and he can see all the options that are opened to him.
I still donīt believe that to be true. At least not in a way where
the user would be able to have his config not explode.
> Personally, I think it's worth the trouble, you apperantly disagree.
Indeed.
But hey, itīs free software. Implement it and come back.
--
Roberto Alsina
Sent via Deja.com
http://www.deja.com/
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: linux does NOT suck (oh yes it does)
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 18:27:43 GMT
In article <QOp56.151403$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Kyle Jacobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm sorry, your sarcasm is lost on me.
Obviously.
> To me, this sounds like a good idea.
Like replying in anti-chronological order?
Letīs put it this way (sorry, itīs much less sarcastic this time)
The idea of a simple solution to a complex problem just turned into
a very complex solution to a non-problem.
>
> "Roberto Alsina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:935547$vsp$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In article <QWb56.146542$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > "Kyle Jacobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Listen, there IS a technology called "pattern detection" which
works on
> Word
> > > macro viruses (to detect "suspect" patterns).
> > >
> > > Why can't pattern and behavior recognition be instituted into an
> intelligent
> > > recognition system to recognize the interdependencies, and MODIFY
the
> > > previous configuration strings accordingly?
> > >
> > > I'm thinking an XML system meets heuristics detection from AV.
> >
> > Ok, sure. Now "using XML we can make a tool to configure everything
> > easily" becomes "let's write an AI system so that our universal
> > XML-based config tool doesn't destruct the system".
> >
> > All nice and userfriendly, that.
> >
> > --
> > Roberto Alsina
> >
> >
> > Sent via Deja.com
> > http://www.deja.com/
>
>
Sent via Deja.com
http://www.deja.com/
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From: "Kyle Jacobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant.
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 18:46:01 GMT
Another bad analogy, I know NOTHING about sound systems.
"." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:93aa99$3jf$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Kyle Jacobs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Why do you Linux zealots insist making analogies toward motor vehicles.
>
> > I can honestly say in your car related comparison I HAVE NO F***ING IDEA
> > WHAT YOU SAID.
>
> Alright then.
>
> Hi fidelity audio systems then:
>
> Windows is like a kenwood system; it looks great, its full of useless
bells
> and whistles, and its sound is just a hair above mediocre.
>
> Linux is like a McIntosh sound system; unless you actually understand what
> you're listening to, you wont see what all the hooplah is about. There
> are no useless bells and whistles unless you add someone elses
peripherals;
> which are almost exclusively inferior to what is built into the system
> itself.
>
>
>
>
> -----.
>
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From: "Kyle Jacobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks.
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 18:48:19 GMT
Ah "bloat".
The refuge of the Linux nut.
I'm sorry to say, but 800 megabytes of OS that do NOTHING for most users is
bloat, whereas 640 megabytes of solid platform WITH popular application
support go a hell of a lot farther in any work environment then the prior.
"JM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On 7 Jan 2001 04:46:52 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ([EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lewis Miller)) wrote:
>
> >Kyle Jacobs was heard ranting about
> ><mbc56.146555$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in alt.linux.sux on 04
Jan
> >2001
>
> >>Oh, like all the "documented" functionality under Linux.
> >>
> >>Nice try.
>
> >Yeah try typing man. works wonders.
>
> You're forgetting, windows users like bloated wizards to guide them
> through everything, and typing "man" would probably require a restart.
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From: "Kyle Jacobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: you dumb. and lazy.
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 18:52:39 GMT
I think you just described all of Long Island flatfish.
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Sun, 07 Jan 2001 07:35:54 GMT, "Kyle Jacobs"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Good question.
> >
> >What WAS Suffolk County before "The Hamptons"
> >
> >As I recall, all potato farm, and "upstate" quality hicks*.
> >
> >* - I AM one of those upstate hicks. I would know.
>
> That's exactly what is was and most of us who live here wished it had
> stayed that way.
>
> Miserable yuppies flocking out here every summer in their Hummers
> paying $4.50 for a cup of coffee and getting ripped off everywhere
> they go.
>
> Oh well.
>
>
> Flatfish
> Why do they call it a flatfish?
> Remove the ++++ to reply.
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 18:57:05 GMT
"Donovan Rebbechi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Sat, 06 Jan 2001 09:41:47 GMT, Tom Wilson wrote:
> >
> >"Donovan Rebbechi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> On Fri, 05 Jan 2001 23:24:36 -0500, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> >> >Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On Fri, 05 Jan 2001 03:11:59 GMT, Chad Myers wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> You've cleverly diverted this into a discussion about the conduct of
> >> >> the Fl court as opposed to the Dems.
> >> >
> >> >The Florida Supreme court is 100% Democrat, every one appointed
> >> >by former gov. Lawton Chiles.
> >>
> >> I believe you're confusing "Democract appointee" with "Democrat".
> >> Last I heard, the judges were not supposed to be affiliated with
> >> political parties.
> >
> >They're no different than any other person - Bias and ideology seeps
> >through. Total objectivity is something people just aren't that good at.
>
> I agree (sort of). THough the cause and effect are probably mixed up.
> Judges get appointed be party X because they have compatible views with
> party X, not the other way around.
>
> I agree that political cases are very difficult (and they'd probably be
> near impossible in a jury trial)
Impartiality is impossible, I agree. However, certain people, especially
people who aspire to be Surpeme Court Justices have a measure of honor
higher than the average person. They are able to put their personal
biases aside to some extent.
If the FL SC had made a ruling that was leaning towards the Democrats,
but was still fair and legal in the eyes of everyone, that's one thing.
But to completely disregard the law of Florida, the Constitution of Florida,
AND the Constitution of the United States goes above and beyond simple
bias, or opinion.
The dissenters in the second U.S. SC decision had differing opinions,
the justices in the FL SC, are solely partisans. Their decisions had neither
the law, common sense, nor logic on its side.
-Chad
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Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.portable,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: linux reaches the big screen
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Form@C)
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 19:55:06 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
<snip>
>I guess it wouldn't be a good idea to wear my "Support the Bill Gates
>Microsoft Defense Fund" Tee-Shirt?
<grin>
Well, if you did they might just remove more than the ++++ !
--
Mick
Olde Nascom Computers - http://www.mixtel.co.uk
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From: Peter Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.microsoft.sucks
Subject: Re: Exceptions! (WAS: Re: Global Configuration tool)
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 19:52:12 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 06 Jan 2001 13:17:01 +0100, Jure Sah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Peter Hayes wrote:
> > > Peter Hayes wrote:
> > > > On Thu, 04 Jan 2001 14:23:31 +0100, Jure Sah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Peter Hayes wrote:
> > > > > > I have a machine with 'ME on it that won't complete the boot process until
> > > > > > I hit the eject button on the CD drive. No CD needed, just eject the tray
> > > > > > and push it back. Maybe not exactly a "crash" but the next best thing....
> >
> > It's a laptop, built by Gateway, and the drive is the combined CD / floppy
> > popular with various laptop builders.
> >
> > Boots fine if the CD / floppy package is removed from the computer.
> >
> > Weird :-)
>
> I'd guess there is the problem: You know what's the startup procedure
> for checking a floppy drive? I guess the MS guys wrote some separate
> procedures. Then when the computer is checking if there is anything in
> the floppy/CD drive, it's also waiting for the CD drive to return "NO
> CD" and that happens only when you push the tray back in!
Doesn't matter whether there's a CD in the drive or not - it just stalls.
> Did you try to remove that floppy/CD package from the "bootables" list
> or moving your hard disk on the top of the list?
Did that early on. No change.
> Gosh, if I was programing this windows thing, I'd probably go insane! So
> many details: one specific option on one specific system with one
> specific equipment and you get an error!
>
> Hehe, another unimportant detailed exception, that's making your life
> worse, eh? =] =]
Fixed it with a re-installation of WinME, the time-honoured cure-all for
Windows problems. This time I'll be watching more closely as I configure
things - maybe I'll find out what I did wrong...
Thanks,
Peter
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: Typical Linsux..They can't even view their own movie!!!
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 18:45:32 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Sun, 07 Jan 2001 16:30:35 GMT...
...and [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I find it hysterical!
Maybe you mean 'hilarious'.
mawa
--
"So right now the only vendor that does such a stupid thing is Microsoft."
-- Linus Torvalds on bad file system interface design. (Open Sources ,
1999 O'Reilly and Associates.)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Why NT?
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 20:45:18 GMT
At least somewhat honest. I think the things that upset people in these
newsgroups so much is when someone is so bias that they can't even admit
the truth when it's obviously so.
I agree that Unix/Linux is more of a religion. Most people have never
used Unix/Linux since Microsoft has such a dominant position. Each side
has something to learn from the other. Historically Microsoft has had
stability problems (which they may have finally gotten right with W2K).
Before Linux becomes popular it will need to take a chapter from
Microsoft's book regarding ease of use for novice users who think their
monitor is the computer.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> And you
> give the impression that you are reputable after having actually> used W2K> >
> Donn Miller wrote:> > Actually, it's much more dangerous than a cult.
> Microsoft has all the> > computer illiterate people in the world thinking
> they're a reputable> > software company.I am talking about "Microsoft" being
> the first thing that pops into people'sminds when the word "computer" is
> mentioned. See, computer illiterate peoplesometimes tend to make that
> association. No experience with Windows 2000 isnecessary to come to this
> conclusion. This conclusion is independent ofWindows 2000 altogether.
> You're right that I have no right to judge Windows2000, as I haven't used the
> product.FACT: I am a snarling, frothing unix maniac, and unix will always be
> my fistlove. Even if WIndows 2000 were better or even close to unix in
> quality, I'dstill kid myself into thinking that unix were way better.
> Windows NT and2000 are very cute, but *yawn!!*. Unix, and Windows are two
> differentcultures, and I happen to like the unix culture better, thanks.
>
> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Subject: Re: How the f*ck do I install .xpi plugins ?
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 12:27:07 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 7 Jan 2001 08:06:20 GMT,
Donovan Rebbechi, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>I'm reafdy to go on a homicidal rampage out of frustration with
>this f*cking Mozilla POS. The stupid POS wants me to download the plugin
>even though it's already downloaded. I tried hacking the install
>to make the plugin install and for some reason I keep getting
>those annoying popups harrassing me and telling me to download the f*cking
>plugin which I already downloaeded.
>
>It's no wonder MSIE is winning when these f*cking clowns can't release a
>browser that makes it at least possible to download and install f*cking
>plugins. And not only that but it harasses the user asking them to download
>15MB files that they've already downloadewd.
>
>I need the JRE plugin, I've already downlaoded it. Can someone
>suggest how to install these f*cking jre..xpi files before
>I buy an AK47 from the local supermarket ?
>
I can't help with the plugin, but I sure would like to know what supermarket I
can get an AK-47 at :)
Would I be correct in assuming that the jre plugin is a java run time env?
If so, what does it do that the mozilla one lacks? (just curious, haven't
played with java)
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: linux does NOT suck (oh yes it does)
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 12:35:30 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 7 Jan 2001 10:09:42 +0200,
Ayende Rahien, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>
>"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:xPT56.56281$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>> "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:938o2v$q9j$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >
>> > >
>> > > > Can you show me the virus for NT that can damage other people's file
>> on
>> > > > NTFS?
>> > >
>> > > Sure, just use one of the many applications that require Everyone
>> > > (Full Access) to a directory, save your file there, and you're done.
>> > > You could make this even easier by using Omnipage Pro, which requires
>> > > Administrator access to even run.
>> >
>> > This goes to every permission FS in the world, you know.
>> > If you give Everyone full access to a directory, Everyone will be able
>to
>> do
>> > whatever they want with the files in that directory.
>>
>> It doesn't happen with the typical unix FS configuration that you
>> see in /tmp or the mail spool. If you set the 'sticky' bit on the
>> directory, you can allow anyone to create files (with file permissions
>> being independent of the directory) but only the owner of the file is
>> allowed to delete it.
>
>Let me see, how hard would it be on NT?
>
>On NTFS partition, create a directory, remove inheritable permissions, clean
>the permissions list and do the following steps.
>
>Give Everyone the following permissions:
>-Create Files / Write Data
>-Create Folders / Append Data
>-List Folder / Read Data
>Apply this to:
>This folder only
>
>Give CREATOR OWNER:
>-Full Control.
>Apply this to:
>Subdirectores and files only.
>
Gee, that is so much more intuitive and user friendly than
a single command from a shell...
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Subject: Re: Sucking Linux 2.0.4!!!
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 12:55:39 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 07 Jan 2001 09:24:17 +0000,
[EMAIL PROTECTED], in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>genkai wa doko da wrote:
>>
>> linux usings being fagit who don't know real perfesional operatoning
>> systim like windows NT!!
>>
>> fuck off!
>>
>> Sent via Deja.com
>> http://www.deja.com/
>
>And in English?
Translated from gibberish
"I am a troll trying to flame, but I am really bad at it, please take pity
on my really poor communication abilities."
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Uptimes
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 13:14:31 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 3 Jan 2001 15:49:14 +0200,
Ayende Rahien, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>
>"JSPL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>> "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:92t60g$cks$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >
>> > "JSPL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >
>> >
>> > > The only thing I've seen are either an inability to display uptime or
>> > > wildly impossible to believe number such as 13 or so pollings on a
>> server
>> > > showing time since last reboot to be "zero". (sauder.com). Or the
>> assinine
>> > > assumption that Netcraft is the only entity on earth that seems to be
>> > aware
>> > > of all these popular sites going down every few days.
>> >
>> > www.walmart.com
>>
>> I wasn't aware IIs 5.0 had been ported to Linux. Sounds fishy to me :-)
>
>It wasn't.
>The server identify itself as IIS5, btw.
>But trying to go to http://www.walmart.com/thispagedoesnotexist.gsp
>The response isn't unlike *anything* that I've seen coming from IIS
>Not to mention that the file path is totally un-windows one.
>
Nmap calls it as either some AIX varient, or Solaris 2.6-2.7, in decending
order of probability. It is the webserver which claims it is IIS5.0, but that
is something that is easily spoofed.
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Why Hatred?
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 20:57:37 GMT
Mildly agree since this is our interest anyhow. Stance could also be
influenced by vehicle ownership.
T. Max Devlin wrote:
>
> Said [EMAIL PROTECTED] in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Sat, 06 Jan 2001
> 23:37:15 GMT;
> >Why would one need to write their own version if Linux was the best to
> >start with? I'm sure most all users would love to write their own
> >operating system. Definately on their top ten most enjoyable ways to
> >spend their life.
>
> I don't think anybody would mind being able to, whether they ever would
> or not.
>
> >Truth is most people would rather just wax and drive their cars than to
> >play full time mechanic. Same for operating systems.
>
> I don't see much of a difference, actually. Wax and shine or do a bit
> of tweaking on a kernel module and recompile; just two different ways of
> spending a Sunday afternoon, if you ask me.
>
> --
> T. Max Devlin
> *** The best way to convince another is
> to state your case moderately and
> accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Linux is easier to install than windows
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 20:45:36 GMT
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> What is X and what is a parition? I just put in the CD and walked
away.=20
But what if I *WANT* to set up partitions and set my screan resolution
at the time I install? Both of wich I want to do on a regular basis. How
easy is that to do with windows?
>
> "Richard Wright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message =
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> > When I install Linux its as easy to do as Windows. The only hard
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