Linux-Advocacy Digest #359, Volume #30 Wed, 22 Nov 00 01:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: The Sixth Sense (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Mandrake 7.2 and KDE2 - Congrats ! (kiwiunixman)
Re: Mandrake 7.2 and KDE2 - Congrats ! (James)
Re: The real question about Claire Lynn (kiwiunixman)
Re: Of course, there is a down side... (Mike Byrns)
Re: Uptime -- where is NT? (sfcybear)
Re: Of course, there is a down side... ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum ("Chad Mulligan")
Re: Microsoft Speaks German! (Russ Lyttle)
Re: Of course, there is a down side... (Mike Byrns)
Re: LINUX USED BY THE NEW ZEALAND ARMY FOR ARMED FORCES SIMULATION: (Russ Lyttle)
Re: Of course, there is a down side... ("Les Mikesell")
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 00:13:47 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Christopher Smith in alt.destroy.microsoft;
>
>"Steve Mading" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:8v50us$hcm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Christopher Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> : Can I copy (just with cp, or by dragging it to a disk in, say, KDE) a
>link
>> : from any filesystem that supports links to any other filesystem that
>> : supports links and have the link still work ? How about ftping it ?
>>
>> Another thing just occurred to me about this. Does this ability to
>> retain links to moved files work *only* when you use Windows Explorer
>> to move the target file? If you had a program that did it for you,
>> instead of dragging it with the mouse, or if you used the prompt
>> "rename" command, would the link remain intact?
>
>Rename what ? The target ?[...]
No, you goofball. The shortcut; the question was whether the
information was maintained by the Explorer program execution of copying,
or whether the file contained a completely absolute path to the target,
so that moving it through any means (such as renaming) does not cause it
to be disfunctional.
>> If "No" -> then this illustrates the weakness of putting such a thing
>> at highest level (an application like Explorer).
>
>I don't believe I've ever tried to deny there are weaknesses with a shell
>level feature of this type. Just like there are weaknesses with a similar
>feature at the filesystem level.
>
>> If "Yes" -> then this means that these shortcuts are *not* features
>> of the GUI as you have been claiming, they tie into something more
>> low-level than that.
>
>It's a shell feature.
No, it's not. Its an OS feature. Typical to Microsoft crappy OS
design, it requires integrated support from both the shell (a user
cannot create a shortcut without Explorer) and the file system (.lnk
files). The comparable feature in Unix requires both as well. But the
shell is merely a standard executable (ln) and the file system treats
links as the file they point to (or recognizes that they are the file
they point to, if they're hard links).
There are weaknesses in any system. The only strength in shortcuts is
that you don't have any alternative on Windows, and it saves the hassle
of actually being able to distinguish between a link, an URL, a PIF, or
a .lnk file. I've noticed that sometimes Windows seems to do that, as
well; certain files get treated very _wrong_ once Windows for some
unknowable reason decides that a file is a shortcut, when its not.
The only weakness in Unix links is that they are only Unix links, and
work like Unix links, which isn't always the way you might wish that
they would work.
--
T. Max Devlin
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From: kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mandrake 7.2 and KDE2 - Congrats !
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 18:05:56 +1300
meow, meow......getting a little caty eh lassey! He hasn't even tried
his DVD or CD-Writer yet! So how can you pre-emptively conclude that it
does not work? If it (Mandrake 7.2) has the latest kernel then he
should be able to read DVD discs (that use the UDF Filesystem), the
CD-Writer should work, even my no-name cd writer worked, his one should
atleast work without any hitches.
kiwiunixman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> So he can't get his CD writer and DVD working and you call this a
> success?
>
> The apps are "not quite there?"
>
> USB is there but not by default?
>
> Is this the best you can do?
>
> You must be a fucking idiot.
>
> All of these things worked perfectly for me under Win2k and BTW I
> didn't have any greyed out Netscape menues either.
>
> Try again asshole....
>
> claire
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 22 Nov 2000 15:01:56 +1300, kiwiunixman
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> good on ya chum. Claire (if you are reading), for every nitwitt who
>> complains of Linux's "Complexity" there are 5 like this guy who have
>> been able to set up Linux flaulessly on their machine. Claire, if you
>> "friends" are experiencing problems, give them the book, "Linux for
>> complete and utter fuck witts Vol 1".
>>
>> kiwiunixman
>>
>> James wrote:
>>
>>> Guys,
>>>
>>> Have just spent a few days playing with ML 7.2 using KDE2. Must admit that
>>> I am very impressed with the improvements. Even between ML 7.1 and 7.2.
>>> Now USB printing, USB scanning is working (albeit not by default). And my
>>> modem and ppp worked first time in KDE2.
>>> In fact all my hardware that I have tested is working OK, including UDMA-66
>>> on /dev/hda. Still have to try out the specific capabilities of my
>>> CD-Writer (an HP9310) and DVD reader, however.
>>>
>>> Well done Linux community! You now have a desktop which may stand a chance
>>> against W2k. The apps are not quite there yet. E.g., downloaded Netscape
>>> 6 which is even worse than Netscape 4.7 (why is the file>page_setup menu
>>> grayed out? Cannot even select landscape mode when printing).
>>>
>>> The system seems pretty fast - once I set up UDMA-66. Is there any way
>>> that I can determine whether my graphics system, a NVidia GeForce256 made
>>> by GigaByte, is optimally configured? Dragging screens seem a bit sluggish.
>>>
>>> James :-)
>>>
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From: James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mandrake 7.2 and KDE2 - Congrats !
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 07:17:37 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> So he can't get his CD writer and DVD working and you call this a
> success?
Claire/Steve,
I didn't say this. I must still test these under Linux (ie their specific
capabilities such as CD writing and DVD reading). I am however hopeful
that there will be no problems (currently they are configured and working
as CD-ROMs, including automounting).
Come on - I'm being positive!
James :-)
>
> The apps are "not quite there?"
This is unfortunately true, but everyone knows it.
>
> USB is there but not by default?
This really only required a few minutes of tweaking - and I found plenty of
help very quickly. I can also mention that our IT dept has just installed
a new PC for myself. They used NT4 (SP6 I thingk), and guess what? USB
and UDMA is also not configured. It is running in PIO mode.
>
> Is this the best you can do?
Claire, even you must admit that Linux is getting better ...
>
> You must be a fucking idiot.
>
> All of these things worked perfectly for me under Win2k and BTW I
> didn't have any greyed out Netscape menues either.
>
> Try again asshole....
>
> claire
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 22 Nov 2000 15:01:56 +1300, kiwiunixman
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >good on ya chum. Claire (if you are reading), for every nitwitt who
> >complains of Linux's "Complexity" there are 5 like this guy who have
> >been able to set up Linux flaulessly on their machine. Claire, if you
> >"friends" are experiencing problems, give them the book, "Linux for
> >complete and utter fuck witts Vol 1".
> >
> >kiwiunixman
> >
> >James wrote:
> >
> >> Guys,
> >>
> >> Have just spent a few days playing with ML 7.2 using KDE2. Must admit
> >> that
> >> I am very impressed with the improvements. Even between ML 7.1 and
> >> 7.2.
> >> Now USB printing, USB scanning is working (albeit not by default). And
> >> my modem and ppp worked first time in KDE2.
> >> In fact all my hardware that I have tested is working OK, including
> >> UDMA-66
> >> on /dev/hda. Still have to try out the specific capabilities of my
> >> CD-Writer (an HP9310) and DVD reader, however.
> >>
> >> Well done Linux community! You now have a desktop which may stand a
> >> chance
> >> against W2k. The apps are not quite there yet. E.g., downloaded
> >> Netscape 6 which is even worse than Netscape 4.7 (why is the
> >> file>page_setup menu
> >> grayed out? Cannot even select landscape mode when printing).
> >>
> >> The system seems pretty fast - once I set up UDMA-66. Is there any way
> >> that I can determine whether my graphics system, a NVidia GeForce256
> >> made
> >> by GigaByte, is optimally configured? Dragging screens seem a bit
> >> sluggish.
> >>
> >> James :-)
> >>
>
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From: kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The real question about Claire Lynn
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 18:15:06 +1300
I know who Claire really is.....His real name is Tom Murphy.......weighs
160Kg.................mastibates over pictures of Bill
Gates..........loves the idea that his machine can crash and be hacked
better than Linux...........his job is working at a potato chip factory
tasting the latest flavoured chips......and in his spare time he is
re-installing Windows as the filesystem keeps getting corrupted. He
looks very similar to fat barstard off Austin Powers: The Spy who
Shagged Me.
kiwiunixman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Well, we all know that she's another typical ignorant female whinger, who for
> some reason considers herself a authority on why linux is not up to scratch.
>
> But the real question is, does she have a big set of tits?
>
>
>
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From: Mike Byrns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 05:19:55 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> Mike Byrns wrote:
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >
> > > Les Mikesell wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Mike Byrns" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > >
> > > > > > > > I usually have a need for that sort of text transformation several
> > > > times
> > > > > > > > a day.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That's you pal.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I take it you like retyping everything?
> > > > >
> > > > > Bah, I'd use Excel.
> > > >
> > > > It can do some nice things if you planned the contents of the columns
> > > > to start. Regexps are good for fixing someone else's mistakes.
> > > >
> > > > > > The usual problem is unpredictable crashes with or without an error
> > > > dialog
> > > > > > about the *.dll involved.
> > > > >
> > > > > Really? Please document.
> > > >
> > > > Things like this:
> > > >
> > > > NETSCP6 caused an invalid page fault in
> > > > module XPCOM.DLL at 017f:60ca8bd9.
> > > > Registers:
> > > > EAX=00000000 CS=017f EIP=60ca8bd9 EFLGS=00010246
> > > > EBX=607282c8 SS=0187 ESP=0065fa54 EBP=0065fbf4
> > > > ECX=00000000 DS=0187 ESI=0084ed80 FS=0e4f
> > > > EDX=00000000 ES=0187 EDI=00000000 GS=0000
> > > > Bytes at CS:EIP:
> > > > 39 41 0c 74 03 8b 41 14 c3 8b 54 24 08 33 c0 3b
> > > > Stack dump:
> > > > 60723de1 00000000 0084ed80 0084ed80 00000000 60721af9 0084ed80 0084ed80
> > > > 80000000 00000000 607220da 00000000 0084ed80 00000000 0065fab8 60cc792b
> > > >
> > > > My son just had a similar crash on a freshly downloaded IE 5.5 on a
> > > > different
> > > > machine but didn't save the error. MusicMaker 4 (full version) recently
> > > > started
> > > > doing something similar with a different dll when accessing cddb. I have
> > > > fixed
> > > > that at least temporarily by downloading the free version of 6.0, but now
> > > > it bugs me about paying for the full version every so often. Everyone
> > > > I know who loads many different programs has the same stories.
> > > >
> > > > > > What kind of person doesn't work with text - or manipulate it a bit?
> > > > >
> > > > > People that use Word and Excel -- AKA the vast majority of the world.
> > > >
> > > > Odd you should mention a word processor for people that don't deal
> > > > with text.
> > > >
> > > > > > I don't see anything resembling regexps in there. How do you
> > > > > > ask it to match repeated strings?
> > > > >
> > > > > Try it why don't you. Put that code in you used before. If it doesn't
> > > > work DL
> > > > > a grep clone. They are not unique to nix.
> > > >
> > > > No, nothing resembling grouping works. The 'real' grep will compile with
> > > > appropriate tools, though.
> > > >
> > > > > > So, a couple of minutes later you have it in 2 columns in Excel with the
> > > > > > comma gone. You can cut and paste one column to the other position,
> > > > > > then delete the now blank 1st column. Now how do you get it saved
> > > > > > without a tab or comma delimiter being put back?
> > > > >
> > > > > Save As, choose txt. Does it bother you that there's no need to code
> > > > here?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I didn't look the way I expected, even after finding the space delimited
> > > > text save. It padded the words to the width of the column. It doesn't
> > > > bother me to use visual tools for small jobs now that 500+Mhz pentiums
> > > > are cheap. It only bothers me that there are some obvious holes in
> > > > the functionality.
> > >
> > > That's not the real problem
> > >
> > > The REAL problem is that Microsoft has NO intention of filling in
> > > these functional holes unless they are dragged, kicking and screaming,
> > > to the solution.
> >
> > Nah, I think the REAL problem is that you folks seem not to have even the most
> > basic understanding of Microsoft products.
> >
> > Can you folks comprehend that saving a fixed width fielded file is NOT what you
>
> Who said anything about fixed width? This is a space-delimited file.
"It padded the words to the width of the column." It's not space delimited either.
It's a single list of names. The task was to go from last, first to first last and
vice versa. Either way you just use Excel's open with command drag the columns into
the correct order and save as. In the case of first, last you save as comma
delimited. In the case of first last you save as space delimited. It's really very
simple and there's no need for fancy regex.
> > really wanted? This whole last first switch would take the average executive
> > assistant under a minute...
>
> 1500 lines worth??
That few? Open, drag column, save. Definitely under a minute. Excel is really quite
speedy.
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From: sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Uptime -- where is NT?
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 05:08:46 GMT
In article <wTBS5.9755$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Jim Richardson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >You are completly clueless Matt.
> > >
> > You completely avoided answering the point raised, which was the
poor
> choice of
> > 49 days as an uptime counter reset used in NT, unless maybe 49 days
was
> the
> > best they expected NT to stay up for?
>
> You are suggesting that someone "chose" 49 days. More than likely,
they
> chose a 32 bit value without considering how many days it added up to.
> Perhaps it was important to store the value in milliseconds for some
reason,
> rather than hundreths of a second like Unix. Storing it in a 64 bit
value
> would have taken significantly more cycles.
>
And that is why it is considered a bug. Because it was done WITHOUT
thought.
>
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Before you buy.
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 05:20:52 GMT
"The Ghost In The Machine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> > Maybe it's the
> >> > fact that you can actually do something that resembles security,
instead
> >> > of leaking your information to every skriptkiddie who knows how to
query
> >> > TCP port 139 or UDP port 137.
> >> >
> >> > Or maybe not.
> >>
> >> I'll go with "maybe not" for $1000, Alex...
> >
> >Yes, note that windows 2000 can arbitrarily decide to use some other port
> >for file sharing, bypassing any idea of security you thought you had
gained
> >by blocking 137 and 139. Fun stuff...
>
> Uh...dumb question, but is this done during a negotiation session
> somehow?
As always, this is undocumented. However, it seems to only be
between Win2k peers on port 445 and if either end is not Win2k
it will fall back to the old 137/139.
> I for one can't see any point in this -- but there must be a reason.
> I suspect to get through firewalls....or are they worried about
> SAMBA stealing their thunder again?
My guess is so the next version/service pack/whatever can
turn off backwards and samba compatibility, but who
knows? Does anyone think it is for the customers benefit?
> Also, is this controllable anywhere, say from the control panel?
> (Or whatever Win2k decides to call it?)
There are no user-servicable parts.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Reply-To: "Chad Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Chad Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 05:22:48 GMT
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:xaoQ5.20553$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:fobQ5.991$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> >
> > > Take your own advice - don't be so blatantly dishonest. The 2Gb
> > > limit is *not* built-in to Linux or other Unixes, and it exists
> > > *only* when the CPU is 32-bit, and varies depending on the
> > > filesystem used.
> >
> > Linux, ext2fs... the limit is built-in because the designers weren't
> > smart enough to do what several other OSes have successfully been
> > able to do.
>
> You mean Microsoft? The company that only sold systems
> with 32 Meg DRIVE limits back when Linus came up with
> the 2Gig file limit design?
What year was that? I was using a DOS 3.2 that exceeded that limit in 1986.
>
> > Is it platform independant? Not really. NT was able to support
> > this 8eb file size limit on every platform it ran on (32-bit and
> > 64-bit).
>
> And at some point in the cycle of service packs it might
> have actually worked as long as the whole file system
> only has a small number of files.
>
> > It's a failing and design flaw of Linux, would you please admit this
> > and move on? Linus, Red Hat, and several others have admitted this
> > flaw and are fixing it, why can't you?
> >
> > -Chad
>
> So when is Microsoft going to provide a free upgrade for all of
> their systems that still have a 2Gig or smaller file limit?
>
> Les Mikesell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
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From: Russ Lyttle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft Speaks German!
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 05:25:01 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> Russ Lyttle wrote:
> >
> > Bob Hauck wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sat, 18 Nov 2000 12:10:24 -0500, Clifford W. Racz
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > >I would rather be of the "far right" rather than the far left (i.e. Commie
> > > >or Nazi).
> > >
> > > I guess you must have slept through your introductory Political Science
> > > courses.
> > >
> > Please explain. My pre-1960 Political Science class ( and late 30s
> > references) all place Commies and Nazis on the left. Fascist and
> > anarchist on the right.
>
> Your poli-sci class was fucked up.
>
No, my poli-sci class was concerned with analysis of political systems,
not with political correctness. Fascist based their system on Plato's
Republic, making capitalist one of the Bunds. Nazi were "National
Socialist" promoting state ownership of the major means of production
and finance. Communist were "International Socialist". The Nazi used
racial division as a means of keeping power, Communist used "class"
divisions as a means of maintaining power.
> Nazis ARE Fascists.
>
> Far left-wing governments and Far right-wing governments are virtually
> identical, they have merely followed different paths.
>
The distinction between "left" and "right" are base upon where members
would be seated in the English Parliament. Totalitarian or liberal
tendencies have nothing to do with it. You can be a totalitarian left
wing or totalitarian right wing without being extreme in the least.
> Left-wing governments FIRST kill the rich who oppose them before
> killing the poor who oppose them.
>
> In contrast, Right-wing governments first kill the poor who oppose
> them before killing the rich who oppose them
>
Neither is necessarily true. In both cases, the poor usually get it
first.
> In a left-wing country, the government owns all business, and soon
> it all becomes one big corporation-state entity.
>
That is Socialist which includes both Communist and Nazi.
> In a right-wing country, the businesses own the government, and soon
> it all becomes one big corporation-state entity.
>
Not necessarily true. Right wing might be oligarchies, but not
necessarily. Sometimes they are monarchies. They could even be Anarchic.
The cry of the right wing is "If it was good enough for granddad it's
good enough for me." But Granddad usually insisted on taking care of
himself.
> Human rights abuses by both are identical.
Too true. Thus human rights abuse is not a basis for classification.
>
> > > --
> > > -| Bob Hauck
> > > -| To Whom You Are Speaking
> > > -| http://www.haucks.org/
> > --
> > Russ Lyttle, PE
> > <http://www.flash.net/~lyttlec>
> > Not Powered by ActiveX
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
--
Russ Lyttle, PE
<http://www.flash.net/~lyttlec>
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From: Mike Byrns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 05:27:27 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> Mike Byrns wrote:
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >
> > > Mike Byrns wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Les Mikesell wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > "Mike Byrns" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Certainly the text editors which come with the debian linux distro are
> > > > > > > far superior to notepad.exe which comes with windows. I like vi, but
> > > > > > > joe is interesting, and emacs is nearly an os anyway. There're stacks
> > > > > > > of them and all seem better than notepad.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mark
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How many do you need? There are actually three editors that ship with
> > > > > > Windows, notepad, wordpad and edit. To each his own.
> > > > >
> > > > > You need one or more with regular expression matching and substitution.
> > > > > How many of the ones included with Windows have it?
> > > > >
> > > > > Les Mikesell
> > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >
> > > > No Les, YOU need one with regex capability. You are not representative of the
> > > > typical computer user.
> > >
> > > The typical computer user occasionally must do find&replace for a large
> > > number of items.
> > >
> > > Microsoft solution: Manual cut and paste for each instance.
> >
> > What of "Replace All"?
> >
> > > When I was at Kmart, Windows admins would routinely send files that
> > > needed such treatment to Unix admins, because in 30 seconds and one
> > > sed command, we could save them HOURS of repetitive cut&paste operations.
> >
> > KMart Windows admins just about says it all. When you your corporate culture puts
>
> Kmart is a Fortune-25 company.
And even with all that money they hold no monopoly in common sense.
> > UNIX ahead of Windows you tend to get shitty NT admins. Perhaps it's because you
>
> Kmart corporate culture is to (foolishly) put Windows on the desktop, and
> to use Unix only for corporate databases.
So you have no file servers? It's the Oracle effect -- so expensive, so arcane -- it
breeds respect purely by virtue of the money poured into it. More and more companies
are seeing the light -- relational databases do not need to be as maintenance intensive
and crufty as Oracle. SQL Server 2000 performs and scales as well or better than
Oracle
with a lower initial and total cost of ownership.
> > nix-snobs treat them like second-class citizens? Perhaps it's because their paid
>
> There are approximately 50 Windows Admins for every Unix Admin at Kmart.
That's great. Give them pitchforks and torches. Storm the white rooms! :-)
> > less? No wonder the only ones you can get to hire on and stay are losers.
>
> All Windows admins are losers.
Growing inferiority complex manifested as a superiority complex. You sound as if you
feel threatened! :-)
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From: Russ Lyttle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: LINUX USED BY THE NEW ZEALAND ARMY FOR ARMED FORCES SIMULATION:
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 05:29:03 GMT
Bennetts family wrote:
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > And where are they today?
> >
> > Protecting the sheep in the fields?
> >
> > Give me a break....
>
> I don't think there are any relevant wars going on right now, although I
> think there may be some Kiwis in East Timor.
>
> --Chris
> As an Aussie, I'll point out that the security and peacekeeping in East
> Timor over the last year or so has been done with very minimal support from
> the US or elsewhere.
And they get shot at. Your whole life changes when you have to live with
the idea someone is trying to kill you. Those soldiers have all my
respect, even if I don't like the trend in their government.
--
Russ Lyttle, PE
<http://www.flash.net/~lyttlec>
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 05:29:58 GMT
"Mike Byrns" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > > Can you folks comprehend that saving a fixed width fielded file is NOT
what you
> >
> > Who said anything about fixed width? This is a space-delimited file.
>
> "It padded the words to the width of the column." It's not space
delimited either.
> It's a single list of names. The task was to go from last, first to first
last and
> vice versa. Either way you just use Excel's open with command drag the
columns into
> the correct order and save as. In the case of first, last you save as
comma
> delimited. In the case of first last you save as space delimited. It's
really very
> simple and there's no need for fancy regex.
So what was the solution to the column width padding?
> > > really wanted? This whole last first switch would take the average
executive
> > > assistant under a minute...
> >
> > 1500 lines worth??
>
> That few? Open, drag column, save. Definitely under a minute. Excel is
really quite
> speedy.
Yes, they do a very good job considering what it has to be doing. If you
have plenty of memory even large sorts are very fast.
Les Mikesell
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