Linux-Advocacy Digest #366, Volume #30 Wed, 22 Nov 00 13:13:06 EST
Contents:
Re: Uptime -- where is NT? (Stuart Fox)
Re: Uptime -- where is NT? (Marty)
Re: Uptime -- where is NT? (Giuliano Colla)
Re: Of course, there is a down side... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: I am finding installing a multi-function card needless reading. (.)
Re: Mandrake 7.2 and KDE2 - Congrats ! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: New to Linux, and I am not satisfied. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: New to Linux, and I am not satisfied. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: New to Linux, and I am not satisfied. (.)
Re: New to Linux, and I am not satisfied. (mark)
Re: Of course, there is a down side... (mark)
Re: Of course, there is a down side... (mark)
Re: Of course, there is a down side... (mark)
Re: The real question about Claire Lynn (mark)
Re: Uptime -- where is NT? (mark)
Re: wahoo! I'm running now (mark)
Re: wahoo! I'm running now (mark)
Re: wahoo! I'm running now (mark)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (mark)
Re: yo (mark)
Re: Of course, there is a down side... (Gary Hallock)
Re: I have had it up to *here* with Linux ( Black Dragon)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever ("Robert Marshall")
Re: On a win 2000 system. remove RH7 as follows ("Robert Marshall")
Re: On a win 2000 system. remove RH7 as follows ("Robert Marshall")
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever ("Robert Marshall")
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever ("Robert Marshall")
Re: Uptime -- where is NT? (Gary Hallock)
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From: Stuart Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Uptime -- where is NT?
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 17:02:11 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > Notice that the uptime is gained from network information, not by an
> > uptime program. If you want an accurate uptime program for NT (I
know
> > you won't, but for the sake of correcting you, bear with me),
there's
> > one available at the Microsoft download site
>
> That must be one of those "intuitive" built-in features that
> Microsoft keeps yammering about...
Did they mention it as being built-in?
>
> Strange definition of "built-in" if you ask me....
>
Especially if you define built-in as "any software you can download
from Microsofts web site" as you've just done.
Idiot.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Uptime -- where is NT?
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 12:38:11 -0500
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> Then why doesn't Linux store a 64 bit value there either? The answer is
> obvious, the value is incremented in kernel time, which is to be minimized
> as much as possible. Incrementing a 64 bit value requires at least an order
> of magnitude more CPU cycles. (requires 2 32 bit reads, 2 32 bit writes,
> several math operations to combine the two values, etc..) That may not seem
> significant, but when it's being done once every millisecond, it adds up.
How about this scenario?:
1] 1 32-bit read and write (for increment operation)
2] Branch out if overflow flag is off (99.999999999% of the time)
3] 1 32-bit read and write (for second increment operation)
Have you done any assembly programming?
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From: Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Uptime -- where is NT?
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 17:41:15 GMT
Stuart Fox wrote:
[snip]
>
> I still cannot see why people are so hung up on this. If you want
> accurate uptime information, use the uptime.exe tool. I don't care
> whether anyone else wants to attempt to measure my uptime via the
> network stack.
>
Maybe you've heard sometime speak about servers. They're
boxes sitting there and providing services to other boxes
(called clients) via a network, sometimes nearby, sometimes
at the other side of the globe.
It's not a common usage for Windows boxes, because of their
poor reliability, but nonetheless some are sold (such as NT
servers) for that purpose.
Well, there's quite a number of reasons a client would like
to know whether the server is still running since the
previous time it connected, or it has been subject to
reboot.
Most of them are related to the possibility that
informations previously left on server can reliably be
believed to be still there or not.
It's a matter of optimizing performance by avoiding an
useless transfer of substantial bulk of data. Bandwidth is
costly.
Well, a server which cannot produce such a reliable
information, nullifies this optimization.
A one and a half year time span, with respect to this
purpose is reasonable, because you wouldn't rely too much on
data sent almost two years before, less than two months on
the contrary is a design flaw.
Nobody cares about your uptime. Most care about server
uptime, which was the subject of this thread.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 17:50:14 GMT
You're the one who brought it up not me.
claire
On Wed, 22 Nov 2000 10:03:05 -0500, Gary Hallock
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2000 23:19:17 -0500, Gary Hallock
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >r p m - q l p U v h
>> >
>> >Yeh, you're right. Who else but "Penguinista's" would dream of using
>> >those wacky characters.
>> *************************************
>> New user:
>>
>> RPM -Q Lp Vh
>> Damm why didn't that work?
>>
>> Ok I'll try rpm-qlpUvh
>>
>> Ooopsss that didn't work either.
>>
>> This Linux sure sucks.
>
>New user.
>
>Click in that little thing that looks like a house. Up pops konqueror.
>Click on that think I seem to remember looks something like rpm, RPM, or
>some such thing. Up pops kpackage. Click on Install.
>
>If a new user wants to use the CLI and knows enough to type RPM -Q Lp Vh,
>then they know how to read the man page and find out that iit should be rpm
>-U.
>
>
>>
>>
>> My favorite was YaST under SuSE which up until recently had to be
>> typed in EXACTLY like YaST or it would not work. And don't
>> lecture me about lower and capital case being different under Linux,
>> and I agree it is a good thing, but a Newbie will be frustrated.
>>
>
>But typing RPM, instead of rpm takes more effort. Who types in all upper
>case unless you have one of those old 029 card punches
>
>>
>> **************************************
>> Sorry but I prefer putting a CD in and having it ask me if I want to
>> install or upgrade my current installation.
>
>And you get that with Linux also.
>
>Gary
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: I am finding installing a multi-function card needless reading.
Date: 22 Nov 2000 17:53:31 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I rest my case.
That you're a complete idiot, computer illiterate, a shitty sound engineer
(if one could even call you that at all, I suspect you merely put together
cute mpegs for peoples birthdays, dont you), and a useless person?
Good. Then we agree.
=====.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Mandrake 7.2 and KDE2 - Congrats !
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 17:55:11 GMT
So YOU are using a down level version of Partition Magic and it
doesn't work so it's Windows and Partition Magic's fault?
Get real Gary, your arguments are getting more ridiculous by the
moment. And like "I" said, it works fine for me.
Dos 3.3 doesn't support VFat either.
Boy the Penguinista's are getting desperate these days.
http://www.powerquest.com/partitionmagic/
claire
On Wed, 22 Nov 2000 10:19:56 -0500, Gary Hallock
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> What are you talking about?
>>
>> Works fine for me on Win2k.
>>
>> claire
>
>Oh, really? It's not simply that it doesn't work, Install Shield comes up with a
>message box saying that Windows ME and W2K are not supported. You have to create
>the rescue disks and boot from them. How do I know this? Because I recently tried
>it on a Netfinity with Windows ME installed. And I just got a new Thinkpad T20 with
>W2K installed. Perhaps the latest Partition Magiic 6.0 works, I don't know. But 5.0
>does not and 6.0 was not out when I tried to install on Windows ME. We only got our
>corporate license for PM 6.0 a few days ago.
>
>Gary
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: New to Linux, and I am not satisfied.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 17:55:45 GMT
Who did that?
claire
On Wed, 22 Nov 2000 10:11:31 -0500, Gary Hallock
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> Only an idiot would post their real name on usenet.
>>
>> claire
>
>Only an idiot would post someones work phone number and address without their
>permission. I guess that makes YOU the idiot.
>
>Gary
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: New to Linux, and I am not satisfied.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 17:57:52 GMT
You posted it yourself dumbo....
http://www.google.com/search?q=gary%2Bhallock%2Bibm&hl=en&lr=&safe=off
claire
On Wed, 22 Nov 2000 10:11:31 -0500, Gary Hallock
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> Only an idiot would post their real name on usenet.
>>
>> claire
>
>Only an idiot would post someones work phone number and address without their
>permission. I guess that makes YOU the idiot.
>
>Gary
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: New to Linux, and I am not satisfied.
Date: 22 Nov 2000 17:58:50 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> You Penguinista's have a difficult time reading for some reason.
> Maybe your eyes are worn out from reading all of those How-Not-To's.
> He said MENU BASED.
Uhhmmm...now claire, I know this is difficult for you to understand, but
linux is not a windows clone. Some things work a little bit differently,
since it is an entirely different operating system...:)
Now, there are many of us who dont LIKE menu based copy and paste options,
because they take too long.
=====.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Subject: Re: New to Linux, and I am not satisfied.
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 07:53:29 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Gary Hallock wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> And you think posting your real name to an advocacy group does?
>>
>> claire
>>
>>
>
>Probably. At least, posting with the same id does. How am I suppose to
>determine what id you used to post to alt.os.linux.mandrake? And you
>have posted to alt.os.linux.mandrake with the name "claire". It just
>wasn't a query for help. It was a put down. So you want me to believe
>that you have posted to alt.os.linux.mandrake asking for help under a
>different name? Yeh, right!
>
>Gary
>
>
It also suggests that claire/steve/heather/keys/cat posted the original
complaining posts which same person then re-posts into this group, ie.,
you can't put any credibility to any information coming from claire/
steve/heather/keys/cat at all.
Now why would anyone do that, I wonder?
Mark
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.os.linux.sux,alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 07:56:10 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>On Tue, 21 Nov 2000 21:29:54 +0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark) wrote:
>
>
>>I can, but because I choose not to, I can have a pint instead.
>>I love having choice.
>>
>>Mark
>
>Why stop at a pint :)
>
>claire
Fair point... glug glug... stagger...
Mark
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 07:59:19 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mike Byrns wrote:
>This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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>mark wrote:
>
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> >On Tue, 21 Nov 2000 07:03:36 GMT, Mike Byrns
>> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >>Bullshit Les. Show some proof. My default install of Pro didn't even
>> >>have
>> >>NetBIOS over TCP enabled so the port was rejecting connections. When I
>> >>uninstalled the Workstation service it was stealthed. I've NMAPed my
>> >>box and
>> >>nothing is open that I don't want and that's OUT OF THE BOX. BTW I'm
>> >>not "blocking" anything. Windows does not respond when the services are
>> >>not installed on the interface. Never has.
>> >
>> >I just went through this EXACT scenario installing SuSE 6.4 as well as
>> >Win2k in default installs.
>> >
>> >With SuSE 6.4 I took the "Almost Everything" option because as a
>> >newbie, I don't want to miss experiencing Linux to it's fullest. With
>> >Win2k I did a standard default install.
>> >
>> >With NOTHING ELSE CONFIGURED except kppp and Dialup Networking I took
>> >a trip over to www.grc.com with both systems. I pulled the plug on the
>> >SuSE system immediately because it was WIDE OPEN.....
>> >Win2k by DEFAULT had all the dangerous ports (ftp,telnet,netbios etc)
>> >CLOSED.
>> >
>> >No wonder the script kiddies love Linux.
>> >
>> >claire
>> >
>> >P.S. Wanna REALLY get scared?
>> > Try www.hackerwhacker.com instead.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> My debian linux even has spoofing protection enabled by default.
>>
>> Is spoofing protection & firewall something Win2k has?
>
>You'll have to prove how any thing truly protects against "spoofing". Start
>with a rigid definition. Windows 2000 does come with firewall config in the
>stack as previous versions of Windows have. Called TCP/IP Filtering, it's in
>the TCP/IP Advanced Property sheet.
So I guess Win2k does not have spoofing protection by default, then?
Mark
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 08:00:59 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mike Byrns wrote:
>mark wrote:
>
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mike Byrns wrote:
>> >Frog wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Fri, 17 Nov 2000 02:25:37 GMT , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
>> >> >On Thu, 16 Nov 2000 19:35:43 -0500, Gary Hallock
>> >>
>> >> >>I rarely have dependency problems. And its a lot better than DLL hell.
>> >> >>rpm will
>> >> >>tell you whats missing. You can install multiple rpms at once and all
>> >> >>dependencies
>> >> >
>> >> >Sure it will with some arcane description of a file or package that is
>> >> >nowhere near to the name of the actual package (that includes the file
>> >> >you need), so unless you happen to know what these things actually
>> >> >are, you will never find them.
>> >>
>> >> Yes, MSVCRT.DLL is so much more descriptive and unambiguous.
>> >
>> >That's a filename. There is a description as well. All properly written
>> >32-bit Windows DLLs have additional information like the File Version,
>> >Description, Publisher, Language, Original Filename (useful if it gets renamed
>> >:-), the Product Name it's part of and that Product's Version. This info
>> >alone can be used to easily ID almost any PE executable.
>> >
>> >> And of
>> >> course, products from Microsoft *always* keep the most current DLL, so you
>> >> *never* have software that relies on entry points that don't exist any
>> >> more.
>> >
>> >This has been hashed about so many times that it's really lost any semblance
>> >of humor. Properly written application installers do not replace newer
>> >versions of shared components with older versions. So far I've not seen
>> >anyone produce a relevant Microsoft application that blindly installs older
>> >shared components. That's typically the realm of your AOLs and Netscape's and
>> >such. That's OK though. They can keep on performing the equivalent of system
>> >sabotage and Windows will replace their mess right along behind them.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> I might have misunderstood this thread, but I thought the suggestion was
>> that the newer DLL no longer supported a given call, thus breaking some
>> existing package.
>>
>> Isn't this what's become known as 'DLL Hell', considered to be a major
>> issue with windows?
>>
>> Mark
>
>The newer libs support the old calls even if they have to map them. The problem is
>that 3rd-party installers have historically replaced NEWER DLLs to suit their own
>needs thus breaking apps that depend on the NEW calls.
>
>
Ah, okay. So you buy some software from a vendor, install it, and something
else gets broken.
I really do prefer the debian GNU/Linux way.
Mark
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Subject: Re: The real question about Claire Lynn
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 08:04:12 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Well, we all know that she's another typical ignorant female whinger, who for
>some reason considers herself a authority on why linux is not up to scratch.
>
>But the real question is, does she have a big set of tits?
>
>
>
Someone used to have a fairly comprehensive list of aliases for this person,
as I recall the majority of names in use were male, I think the only female
ones were heather and claire, although 'cat' could be regarded as a somewhat
girly choice.
The question might be better posed as:
"Is claire/heather/steve/keys/cat a big tit?"
:)
Mark
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Uptime -- where is NT?
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 08:30:43 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Marty wrote:
>"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>>
>> Kind of like the speedometer scale on production street cars is
>> ALWAYS higher than the maximum speed that the car will go with
>> the factory drivetrain.
>
>[Aside:] That's not always the case. My '92 Ford Exploder (er.. Explorer)
>only went up to 85MPH on the speedometer and I've gotten it to 105 or so.
Just wondering - how did you know?
My experience of speedos is that once you exceed common speed limits then
they become quite inaccurate. They're also increasingly affected by
such things as how inflated your tyres are as speed goes up. Also,
how loaded the vehicle is affects the tyre profile which affects the
reported speed.
This is why real speed tests use external machines - car speedos are
really not very accurate.
Mark
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Subject: Re: wahoo! I'm running now
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 08:39:17 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Gary Hallock wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>>
>> True at first, only because the default configuration under XF86Setup
>> worked fine so I didn't know. I went back and DID select Emulate 3
>> button mouse and now cute paste DOES work with mouse but STILL fails
>> using menues.
>
>You know, it does ask you if if want to emulate a 3-button mouse during
>installation.
>
Considering the number of times I've seen posts from claire/steve/heather/
keys/cat etc., claiming to have installed some version of Linux, it
seems quite amazing that cshkc would have forgotten this or would be
somehow unaware of what it meant when prompted by the install.
Mark
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Subject: Re: wahoo! I'm running now
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 08:41:50 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Gary Hallock
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
>on Sun, 19 Nov 2000 23:15:59 -0500
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>>> Believe what you wish.
>>>
>>> claire
>>
>>Everyone can get the menus to work but you. Doesn't that tell you something?
>
>Not me, but then it might be a usage issue. Erik F. mentioned
>that a way he likes to work is to:
>
>1. Select text on document #1.
>2. Edit > Copy.
>3. Select text on document #2.
>4. Edit > Paste.
>
>Presto: instant replacement, when using Windows.
This only works in some circumstances. Most dialogue boxes require you to
use the c-x c-v keyboard combinations, since the menus become greyed out and/or
inaccessible for some reason.
I forget the number of people I've had to show this to over the years.
It certainly is not a consistent thing across windows.
Mark
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Subject: Re: wahoo! I'm running now
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 08:43:52 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Gary Hallock wrote:
>The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>
>>
>> Not me, but then it might be a usage issue. Erik F. mentioned
>> that a way he likes to work is to:
>>
>> 1. Select text on document #1.
>> 2. Edit > Copy.
>> 3. Select text on document #2.
>> 4. Edit > Paste.
>>
>> Presto: instant replacement, when using Windows. Alas, this doesn't
>> work for my version of kwrite. But that may be because I'm using
>> RedHat 6.2, and whatever version of KDE came with that.
>>
>> This is obviously not a major flaw, but it does illustrate that
>> things break sometimes -- even under Linux. :-)
>
>Yes, X does have a limitation of one selection at a time. The second select
>wipes out the first.
>
>
X automatically fills the cut/paste buffer, thus eliminating a keystroke
or menu operation for the user.
I prefer this.
Mark
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 09:10:05 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mike Byrns wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> Chris,
>>
>> The only reason why Xfce could cause X to lock is when you start a
>> console based program from the panel. You should add "term" in front of
>> your command to start a terminal to run your application.
>>
>> Recent version of Xfce (ie version > 3.5.1, latest being 3.6.1) feature
>> a workarround for that problem (that is also present in other guis since
>> not specific to Xfce).
>>
>> In any case the reboot was not necessary, pressing ctl+alt+backspace
>> would have killed the X server and returns to the console.
>>
>> It proves that MS-Windows has succeeded in something, at least : People
>> think that all OS are as weak as MS-Windows (all flavors, NT included),
>> I mean, an application (X in this case) that crashes not necessarily
>> means the whole computer needs to be restarted.
>
>Two words: "User experience". When X crashes and takes all the X apps with
>it or locks up so you have to press ctrl+alt+backspace the user experience
>is virtually identical to when Windows 9x does the same thing -- all work is
>lost and the user needs to start over. It's particularly troublesome that
>ctrl+alt+backspace is so conceptually similar to ctrl+alt+del.
>
My user experience of trying to get Win98SE to shut-down after some
application problem (usually Word or Outlook) is that it can take hours.
On the occasions when I get bored of waiting for it to shut down and issue
a reset, then on start-up, I get a message saying that I should have shut
down the machine properly.
On my linux machine, if X does need to be shutdown, then c-a-backspace
will do it, and XDM will automatically restart it immediately. Within
a handful of seconds the login-prompt banner is up again.
That's the difference in user experience which I have. Amongst my work
colleagues, the inability of Win98SE to shut down is near legendary.
Mark
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Subject: Re: yo
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 09:10:30 +0000
In article <nRDS5.21184$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>i like linux
Me too :)
Mark
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Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 13:02:55 -0500
From: Gary Hallock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> You're the one who brought it up not me.
>
What you and a number of other winvocates just don't get is:
1. Linux provides both a GUI and CLI interface
2. Some people actually prefer the CLI. I know you find that hard to
believe but it is true.
3. It is much easier to describe in a text-only newsgroup like this a CLI
command the all of the point and clicks needed for A GUI interface.
4. If YOU prefer GUI, fine. But just because Linux provides CLI as well
does not make Linux any more difficult to use. YOU do no have to use the CLI
if you don't want to.
Gary
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ( Black Dragon )
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.linux,alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: I have had it up to *here* with Linux
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 18:02:15 GMT
On Wed, 22 Nov 2000 02:01:38 GMT in alt.os.linux,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> `[EMAIL PROTECTED]' said:
: Actually it is about 6 times, but whose counting :)
:
: claire
Oh! There you are again. Back to where you belong, troll.
*PLONK*
:
: On Tue, 21 Nov 2000 18:45:08 -0800, "Keldon Warlord"
: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:
:
: >> Chip
: >>
: >
: >whatever newsreader you are using. IT SUCKS. I've seen this same message
: >three times from you already.
: >
:
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From: "Robert Marshall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,alt.linux.sucks
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 18:13:58 -0000
. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Actually, I'm not really sure it even works on 98, as format prompts
for
> > > information/confirmation. /Y isn't an option as far as I'm aware.
But
> > > of course, there'd be nothing to stop you making a format program of
your
> > > own and running that from autoexec.
> >
> > echo del c:\windows\system.dat > authoexec.bat >> null
> >
> > Good bye system, that would work on 98.
>
> copy c:\windows\system.da0 c:\windows\system.dat
>
> Hello system! ;)
>
Reboot PC >> Goodbye system again B-P
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From: "Robert Marshall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,alt.linux.sucks
Subject: Re: On a win 2000 system. remove RH7 as follows
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 18:24:25 -0000
> > > Bill may get weathier in the
> > > process but the man & co have to get credit for re-inventing "point
and
> > > click".
> >
> > This sounds like an obvious troll. I think of Windows mouse action more
> > as "point and stick".
>
> Point and get stuck, more usually.
>
>
I once saw someone's newsgroup signature with an error message which I
wouldn't put past MS:
"Your mouse has moved. Please wait while Windows restarts for
the changes to take effect."
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From: "Robert Marshall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,alt.linux.sucks
Subject: Re: On a win 2000 system. remove RH7 as follows
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 18:27:33 -0000
> Define everyday regular computing. Windows is for gamers and lamers.
> Well, the 98/ME versions, anyway.
Win95b + Desktop Update?
(PS My OE5 spellchecker tried to change "lamers" to "llamas"!)
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From: "Robert Marshall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.linux.sucks
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 20:11:15 -0000
> the 95 line... (is there anyone who actually
> LIKES this OS? Seriously?)
I don't mind 95b.
What is so good about 98 or ME?
(Not interested in NT/2K)
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From: "Robert Marshall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.linux.sucks
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 20:12:35 -0000
> HAHAHAHAHAH LOLOL!!!
What is LOLOL???!
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Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 13:05:22 -0500
From: Gary Hallock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Uptime -- where is NT?
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> Then why doesn't Linux store a 64 bit value there either? The answer is
> obvious, the value is incremented in kernel time, which is to be minimized
> as much as possible. Incrementing a 64 bit value requires at least an order
> of magnitude more CPU cycles. (requires 2 32 bit reads, 2 32 bit writes,
> several math operations to combine the two values, etc..) That may not seem
> significant, but when it's being done once every millisecond, it adds up.
>
An order of magnitude? You must be joking. A couple of extra instructions.
Gary
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