Linux-Advocacy Digest #372, Volume #30 Wed, 22 Nov 00 21:13:07 EST
Contents:
Re: And yet another satisfied Linux user. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Mandrake 7.2 and KDE2 - Congrats ! (Gary Hallock)
Re: yo (Donn Miller)
Re: New to Linux, and I am not satisfied. (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Of course, there is a down side... ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Mandrake, thoughts? Opinions? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Of course, there is a down side... (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Mandrake 7.2 and KDE2 - Congrats ! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Another happy Linux user ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Uptime -- where is NT? ("PLZI")
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Subject: Re: And yet another satisfied Linux user.
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 00:46:08 +0000
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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JScrutton)
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> Help!
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> linux newbie about to give up, spec of PC:
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> Dell Workstation 400, twin PII-266, 256MB RAM, two 2 gig SCSI-3 drives
> with
> Adaptec 2940U SCSI card.
> =
> Mandrake 6.5 is so slow it is unusable, takes 15 seconds to put calc
> on screen
> in KDE, produces 4.3 bogomips (whatever they are). There are pigeons
> in my
> garden that can count faster than this Linux turd.
> =
> Suse 7.0 just does not work, on boot it always locks up around
> ldconfig or
> memstat. (have now tried three times to get it working)
> =
> Suse support is less than useless, if you are thinking of buying
> anything from
> Suse, don't.
> =
> I have no idea what is going wrong, there are no probs reported during
> the
> instal of Mandrake or Susel, all h/w is identified OK
> =
> Linux is the only OS on the PC, ie no dual boot, with clean
> partitions.
> =
> I have spent about three weeks on this and have just about had enough
> - Linux
> easy to install? not in my experience!
> =
> Am I unlucky or is it a pile of =A3$%^ ?
> =
> All suggestions welcome, otherwise one more copy of NT Server is about
> to be
> deployed...
> =
> Jason Scrutton, London, England.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RTFM
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http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club
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Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 19:49:41 -0500
From: Gary Hallock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mandrake 7.2 and KDE2 - Congrats !
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> And again it is YOU who don't know how to read Gary. The upgrade is
> from 5.0 to 5.01 and Win2k is supported and it is a free upgrade. You
> decided to wait till 6.0 instead.
>
> claire
Sure! I'm looking at the CD right now. It says Verision 5.01. This is
the version I used. Try again!
Gary
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Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 20:05:00 -0500
From: Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: yo
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> i like linux
I like FreeBSD. Or, I pretty much like any unix: Solaris, Ultrix,
BSD-derivatives. They've pretty much got their own flavor. I like
Linux also.
But most of all, I like the above-mentioned OSen because they DIDN'T
COME FROM YOU-KNOW-WHERE (Billy's anus).
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: New to Linux, and I am not satisfied.
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 01:05:18 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on 22 Nov 2000 17:58:50 GMT
<8vh1gq$gqd$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> You Penguinista's have a difficult time reading for some reason.
>> Maybe your eyes are worn out from reading all of those How-Not-To's.
>
>> He said MENU BASED.
>
>Uhhmmm...now claire, I know this is difficult for you to understand, but
>linux is not a windows clone. Some things work a little bit differently,
>since it is an entirely different operating system...:)
>
>Now, there are many of us who dont LIKE menu based copy and paste options,
>because they take too long.
Ah, for the old Apollo DOMAIN keyboard....sigh. :-)
It had COPY and PASTE buttons (CUT was shift-COPY).
>
>
>
>
>-----.
>
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 03:11:51 +0200
"Aaron R. Kulkis"
> yes.
You posted a 5Kb (122 lines) message, just to add *one* word and that stupid
sig?
Here is an advise, learn how to behave.
Bandwidth is *expensive*, you are wasting it.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Mandrake, thoughts? Opinions?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 01:26:50 GMT
On Thu, 23 Nov 2000 12:15:55 +1300, kiwiunixman
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Regarding the windows runs of 90% of desktops. So, by you definition
>the break up of AT&T was unjustified, they gained a monopoly because
>they were extremely competive, or Rockafella gained his fortune because
>he was an honest chap who served the customer well, Claire get ya facts
>right, If it wern't for the strangle hold Microsoft has on the big
>computer vendors (such as Dell, Compaq, Gateway) Windows would have died
>a very misserable death.
>
>kiwiunixman
1. The breakup of ATT can be looked at in a number of different ways.
One of which is thanks to the breakup it now cost more to make a call
across town than it does to call across the country, in many
communities.
2. The Rockafeller's were crooks, so were/are the Kennedy's.
3. And what would have replaced Windows at the time of say Windows
3.0? Desqview? Geos? The only likely candidate would have been OS/2
and it's a shame it didn't cause it was/is a great platform.
I don't deny MS dirty tricks back then and I hope the courts give them
exactly what they deserve.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 01:28:36 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Tue, 21 Nov 2000 23:08:26 GMT
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>On Tue, 21 Nov 2000 21:47:22 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The
>Ghost In The Machine) wrote:
>
>
>>Unless the Windows implementation team is far more imaginative than
>>I have seen thus far, that's because there's a little daemon that
>>runs every 2 hours or so, scanning the disk, and caching the pathnames
>>somewhere. I see it running occasionally on Windows NT4. (It might
>>even be the same exec that puts up the search file operations dialog.)
>
>I have never seen any such thing running under Windows 98 which also
>blows away Linux's "find" in terms of speed.
>
>Do you have any proof of this?
This might be an NTism.
>
>
>Reason I ask is because I do a lot of digital audio work and ANY
>program doing that much searching would show up and to date I have not
>seen anything like that.
Indeed.
>
>claire
>
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Mandrake 7.2 and KDE2 - Congrats !
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 01:29:08 GMT
On Wed, 22 Nov 2000 19:49:41 -0500, Gary Hallock
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> And again it is YOU who don't know how to read Gary. The upgrade is
>> from 5.0 to 5.01 and Win2k is supported and it is a free upgrade. You
>> decided to wait till 6.0 instead.
>>
>> claire
>
>Sure! I'm looking at the CD right now. It says Verision 5.01. This is
>the version I used. Try again!
>
>Gary
The web page says it works with Win2k and here is the link:
http://www.powerquest.com/partitionmagic/pmupdates.html
BTW have a happy and safe Thanksgiving (sincerely!)
claire
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Another happy Linux user
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 01:36:37 GMT
On Thu, 23 Nov 2000 00:34:24 +0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>hahahahahahahahaha
>Windows? Solved it? So why does it take me days to get pnp hardware
>working under windoze and minutes under Linux?
>hahahaha
I dunno, maybe you're just not that sharp?
claire
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 03:30:01 +0200
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said Giuliano Colla in alt.destroy.microsoft;
> [...]
> >and I've told myself that it looks damn unsecure. So i tried my
> >experiments. Such as typing on the address bar strings of the sort
> >C:\windows\notepad.exe, and having notepad popping up. That way I've
> >learned that IE doesn't make any difference between opening a document
> >and running an application. Now you may add boxes, warnings or whatever,
> >but having a browser doing that IMO is just to be looking for troubles.
>
> Well, I'm pretty sure I know what kind of a response we can expect from
> the Winvocates. Why would you want to treat launching a program
> different from launching a file? Aren't programs files? Don't you run
> a program when you launch a document?
>
> Your attitude seems to be rather hands-down and straight-forward,
> Giuliano. Of course executing a program is different than loading a
> document; there is never, will never, and could never be anything more
> separate than these two actions, since other than the fact that we want
> them to be different, we are not concerned (in the current context of
> being an end-user, at least) with what the actual processes are (so long
> as they are just that: executing a program or loading a document). IOW,
> it is the desire to obfuscate the distinction that is most telling on
> those who subscribe, knowingly or not, to One Microsoft Way, that
> peculiar perspective of computing in which being stupid is a virtue, and
> being smart is a liability. The operational abstractions which comprise
> the actions of launching either application or file don't really have
> much to do with the bits and bytes being transferred between storage and
> memory and CPU. They are purposeful illusions, created because they
> make computing efficient and comprehensible. No wonder Microsoft tries
> so hard to convince the rubes that the illusion doesn't make any sense,
> and they'd be better off without it.
>
> Do you see what I mean?
No, I don't.
If you type in "c:\winnt\notepad.exe" in IE adress bar, and click enter, it
would launch notepad.
If you do something like this in a HTML:
<html>
<head>
<script language="javascript">
function is_this_secure() {
alert("testing security!");
window.location = "file:///C:/winnt/notepad.exe";
}
</script>
</head>
<body onLoad="is_this_secure()">
testing something.
</body>
</html>
You get a dialog box asking you what you want to do with it (the same as if
it was from the net), it would ask you the same if you click on a link to
it, btw.
I believe that this would be the behaviour of all the browsers. (aside maybe
from IE launching the program if you *typed* it in the adress box.)
Testing confirm that it doesn't matter what you put in the window.location,
file://c:\winnt\notepad.exe caused the same dialog box.
c:\winnt\notepad.exe didn't do anything.
My security settings are set to Medium (default), and my IE is
5.50.4522.1800 SP1, but I don't believe the situation is different on other
versions of IE.
You complaint about obscuring the line between executables and data is
misdirected, tell it to Apple & Xeroix.
That is the major part of gui, FWIW.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 03:42:22 +0200
"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> My user experience of trying to get Win98SE to shut-down after some
> application problem (usually Word or Outlook) is that it can take hours.
>
> On the occasions when I get bored of waiting for it to shut down and issue
> a reset, then on start-up, I get a message saying that I should have shut
> down the machine properly.
>
> On my linux machine, if X does need to be shutdown, then c-a-backspace
> will do it, and XDM will automatically restart it immediately. Within
> a handful of seconds the login-prompt banner is up again.
>
> That's the difference in user experience which I have. Amongst my work
> colleagues, the inability of Win98SE to shut down is near legendary.
Press shift when you click the OK button on the shut down screen, this would
give you quick shutdown.
BTW, ctrl+alt+backspace doesn't restart X, it terminate it, and then start
it, there is quite a difference here.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 03:44:12 +0200
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said Ayende Rahien in alt.destroy.microsoft;
> >"Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:8ukj1n$241f1$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >I can't tell. Reason is, KDE (and linux, for that matter) has *really*
> >> lousy
> >> >support for the languages I need.
> [...]
> >I don't care.
> >I don't live in china.
>
> So you're going to complain because something doesn't support your
> language (something middle eastern, I recall), but when somebody uses
> china as an example in a discussion of language support, your response
> is "I don't care, I don't live in china?"
Why *should* I care about language that I'm neither using nor likely to use.
Linux has *bad* support for the launguages that *I* need. I don't give a
horse's ass for those that I don't need
Guess who has the best support for those languages that I *do* need?
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 03:45:45 +0200
"The Ghost In The Machine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Ayende Rahien
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Lock destination window with "copying progress" dialog box, then hang.
> >
> >On what circumstances?
>
> Well, it always locks the destination window. I'm not sure about
> the hang, but if it copies large files or lots of files it does tend
> to misrepresent the amount of time it has left. If one's
> real lucky, it *will* hang. :-)
That was a problem with win95, I think.
If you copied files, you couldn't use the destination window.
The OS & everything else worked.
Another thing that win95 did was to estimate time based on the current
*file*, which is *bad* when you are copying more than one file.
Win98 was better in that respect, as the destination window was still
useable, (but you'd to be tricky if you minimized it, you've to right click
the taskbar and choose maximize/resote to see it again while it was copying)
And win98 time estimate is better too, because it's estimating the time for
all the files.
However, I wouldn't put my trust on it, aside from being a *very general*
indication on how much time remained. (errors of up to five minutes in
copying large amount of files, especially)
IIUC, that is because windows does something like:
size of all files you want to copy/current speed of writing to disk
Obviously, there are a lot of things here that can change the result.
> >> Put up a dialog box saying "The destination is read-only".
> >
> >What would you expect?
>
> About this, actually. :-)
Anything else it should do?
> >> Put up a dialog box saying "Permission denied".
> >
> >In what cases?
>
> I'd have to do some research on this one; however, one easy way is
> to have a file that was not replaceable (because it was readonly, owned
> by someone else, undreadable, unwritable, etc. The error message
> might say something else.)
And it should be different?
> >> Execute the destination (!!). (Hello, virus.)
> >
> >What did you do?
>
> Well, I dragged the file and dropped it on its counterpart (I was
> copying an .EXE file)....is this reasonable? I would surmise that
> the executing .EXE probably got an argument, which happens to be
> the source .EXE; I don't know enough to be sure about MFC and/or
> Windows, though.
If you drag an icon to an EXE/shortcut, then it would execute the EXE with
the path of the icon you dragged into it as an arguement.
If you drag an EXE to an icon (which is not an EXE/Shortcut), nothing would
happen.
> >> Completely trash your registry (!!!).
> Doubleclicking on .REG files is A Very Bad Thing, which can trash your
> registry. (It's useful IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING! But is
> it reasonable? I would preferit to open RegEdit, thank you!
> I hope this is fixed in Win2k/WinmMe...it's a gigantic flaw.)
When you doubleclick a reg file, you get a warning that it can harm your
registery, and get a warning about it. (Goes back to win95)
Unfortantely, the dialog box default to yes, it should default to no,
IMNSHO.
> >> Execute the associated tool of the destination icon, with *both*
> >> source and destination as arguments.
> >
> >There isn't such a thing as destination icon in windows.
>
> Oh no?
[snip]
> It apparently works for more than that.
Yes, I thought you were referring to something else.
You can copy files to drive/folder or send the path of file(s)/&folder(s) to
an executable/shortcut.
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From: "PLZI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Uptime -- where is NT?
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 01:49:47 GMT
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:TqFS5.23345>
>Speaking of IIS configuration, is there any way to export the setup
>from one machine to duplicate it on another, or compare the
>differences between two that are supposed to be the same but
>aren't?
Todays magic word is "metabase". Export, copy, import. Wanna have
programmatic access to it while it's in use? ADSI objects are your friend.
- PLZI
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