Linux-Advocacy Digest #518, Volume #30 Wed, 29 Nov 00 03:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Whistler review. ("JS/PL")
Re: Why Java? ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Whistler review. (kiwiunixman)
Re: Of course, there is a down side... (mark)
Re: Is design really that overrated? ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Of course, there is a down side... (mark)
Re: Of course, there is a down side... (mark)
Re: Of course, there is a down side... ("PLZI")
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (Ed Allen)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (Ed Allen)
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From: "JS/PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 02:03:31 -0500
"Matthew Soltysiak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > And they STILL can't get file-access right. There is NO WAY to do a
> > complete backup of a windows machine, because there is no "open file
> > for READING" option.... Thus, any .exe or .dll file that is in use
> > CANNOT BE BACKED UP.
NO WAY huh? I beg to differ.
http://www.powerquest.com/driveimagepro/index.html
I've got Windows 2000 PRO and all installed apps compressed to 60% and
spanning 3 cd's. Restoring is a matter of booting and feeding disks at the
specified prompts.
And give me an example of a .dll file or .exe I can't open for reading. I
just dropped msimn.exe (outlook express) into notepad for viewing while it
is running, I then proceeded to RENAME it while it is running without so
much as a warning prompt without any problems. Windows simply kept msimn.exe
and added the newly named duplicate msimn1.exe to the folder.
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Java?
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 07:08:37 GMT
"mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Let's not get into a language war, but I ask the quetion: Why Java.
>
> It is a proprietary API put out by Sun.
It was well designed by Sun and made available for other platforms.
> It is an interpreted language that pretends to be a compiled one, thus
> having all the problems of a compiled one as well as an interpreted one.
What problems do compiled languages have other than non-portability
of the generated code? Java doesn't have that. The main problem
with interpreted languages is speed and the pre-compile to bytecode
avoids some of the slowness.
> Lets not argue how wonderful Java is "as a language." Lets discuss Java
> as a development strategy.
What else is there that will run portably as an applet under browsers with
some reasonable security concepts enforced?
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 07:12:05 GMT
Is Microsoft going to release a Scottish version, Windows Bagpipes :)
kiwiunixman
Ayende Rahien wrote:
> I've finally gotten whistler (pro, 2296, beta 1), and I'm *liking* it.
> For those of you who doesn't know what this is, whistler is an the new OS
> (the one that will inherit both win2k & win ME) from Microsoft, destined to
> finally eliminated the 9x line.
>
> Here is my biased review.
> I'm going to limit myself to comments about the new GUI and features of the
> OS, as this a Beta1, it's not yet appropriate to talk about performace and
> stability yet.
>
> Starting with the install, you stick the cd in the drive, set the BIOS to
> boot from the CD, and you are done.
> Strangely enough, I have the system up and running without returning to the
> BIOS to change the settings, and it's still working.
>
> The installation itself is pretty similar to Windows 2000, blue screen in
> text mode, and afterward the familiar wizard style.
> The main difference is that it's now uses the "simpler start menu" as a
> background.
> Installation took little longer than an hour, most of the time to format a
> NTFS HD.
> After the text mode, which require some little knowledge in the computer's
> HD, the installer required very little input from the user, and did all the
> configuration on its on.
> The computer is win2k HCLed, btw.
>
> As a note:
> For some reason, it thinks that I've multiply monitors, likely because I've
> a TV-Out card. This doesn't seem to cause any problems whatsoever, so I
> don't think I would bother to fiddle with it in the near future.
>
> The new startup screen is cool, but I like the win2k one better, the win2k
> one provide some (limited, but real) information on how much progress the OS
> had in loading itself.
> Whistler's startup screen provide no such information, in that, it's very
> much like the win9x startup screens.
>
> The system finished loading, and you get a pretty wizard like interface
> which explained you how to use the computer (can't report much about this, I
> quited this part when it started explaining how to you the mouse.), ask you
> whatever you want to register at Microsoft.com, and help you setup a dial up
> account.
> Then you create users, You can create up to six users in this screen.
> I don't like this way very much, all the accounts you create this way are
> admins, with no passwords set on them, and you get *no* warning about this.
> The user interface itself, for that matter, isn't very good comparing to NT
> or 2000.
> You can enter a user's name, and a picture, if you like, but that is about
> it.
> Accounts are created without passwords by default, another thing I don't
> like.
> And when you login, all the accounts on the computer are presented to you,
> which is another mistake.
>
> I can see the reasons behind this, of course, as the whistler I'm using is
> supposed to go to home users, where you rarely need such security measures,
> and there are probably ways to fix those things, which I'm currently
> clueless about.
> The biggest problem I've with this (all accounts being displayed) can
> apperantly turned off quite easily (I've not tested it yet, though)
>
> Strangely enough, by default, the desktop don't display the "My Computer"
> and "My Documents" icon folders.
> With those icons being probably the most important in handling windows, I'm
> quite sure it's a bug.
> Another bug I found is in the control panel>mouse>pointer options, where the
> "Show location" option doesn't warp, so the "y." (at least I assume that it
> what it's supposed to be) cannot be seen.
>
> The icons problem was fixed by right clicking the desktop, active
> desktop>customise my desktop, btw.
> I also recommend to use the "Proffessional" image as background to the
> desktop, totally cool.
>
> The entire GUI is cool, for that matter.
> It feel like a game or a flash applet.
> The login screen, for example, is in pastel colors, and you've a list of
> users, with pictures near each name, and when your mouse is over a username,
> all the other usernames fade out.
> If you click a username, and it has no password, it moved to the center of
> the upper half of the screen, and it would tell you what it's doing (3 - 4
> seconds process) while it loads your settings.
> If it has a password, it opens (open like a drawer, really cool) a box that
> ask you to enter the password.
> On NT & 2000, you needed a *long* password to feel the password box, in
> whistler, it takes very few characters for the password box to be full on
> the black circles, so you've no indication whatever you are still typing.
> It makes sense, I assume, as it obscure password length to onlookers, and
> it's no worse than unix no showing what you type at all.
>
>
> I like the "simpler start menu", for now, at least.
> It would take some getting used to, I suppose. But I suspect it can also
> drive a person crazy, very easily. One thing that I already find annoying in
> this is that you can't logoff without using the mouse.
> And logging off is something that I think that I'll have to do quite often
> in Whistler, at least in the first period.
> You can revert back to the normal windows way, of course.
>
> Alt+Ctrl+Delete behave quite unlike what you expect.
> In 9x, it brings you a list of running application, which allows you
> (hopefully) to close them.
> In NT/2000, it brings a list of options, which I find more practical than
> the 9x one.
> In whistler, you get "Task Manager", which NT/2000 users should be familiar
> with.
> You can do everything you used to be abled to do with the NT ctrl+alt+del,
> except change your password, which must be done throught the user settings
> in the control panel.
>
> One of the coolest features in in Whistler is the ability to logoff and
> leave all your current applications working.
> User A log on, do some work, and has to go. He log off, and go away for some
> time. User B comes along, log on, do his stuff until he is done, and then he
> log off.
> User A return, he log on, all his applications are intact, for those of you
> who are familiar with NT/2000, it's similar to computer lock.
> Infact, in Whistler, Locking the computer is very similar to Switch user.
> One thing, though, if you play a cd and lock the computer, and log as
> another user, you still hear the cd. I've to test it for other sound
> programs, but I believe it's a CD related issue.
> You can also log off completely, thus releasing the resources that you took.
>
> Those of you who are familiar with linux, it's similar to Alt+F#, only in
> GUI.
> It's a little more cumbersome to move between users, because you has to
> logon to do so, but it's working.
> Unfortantely, there are no virutal desktops, such as there is in Gnome &
> KDe, which can be very useful.
> There is something which is called "Clean up notification area" which may
> provide similar ability. (The main reason for virtual desktop is to keep the
> taskbar or whatever you call it from cluttering, this should solve this,
> apperantly.)
>
> Whistler currently comes with IE & OE 5.6, which doesn't seem to offer any
> big improvement over IE 5.5, at least on the surface.
>
> To my joy, the wide languague support from 2000 remained on Whistler. (Which
> wasn't the case on ME, which really pissed me off)
> Trying to change different settings proved quite easy, although tooltips are
> too widely used, IMHO. But I can understand why they are neccesary, and they
> proved to be handy.
> Another problem is in the task bar, in normal winodws mode, the application
> on focus has its tab in the spacebar pressed, which make it easy to detect
> it.
> On Whistler (professional skin), the tabs on the applications are
> highlighted, which takes getting used to. In the meantime, I get a lot of
> windows minimized when I don't want them to because of this.
> It's also hard to tell where one application tab is ending, and where
> another begin.
> And the scroll bars aren't a great idea either, white on pale gray is nice
> if you bother to actually *look* at it, but who looks at a scroll bar
> anyway? You want something that is easy for the eye to see.
> I like the skinning idea, but at the moment, I only have two (pro &
> classic), anybody knows whatever there are more out there?
>
> The Explorer has been changed quite dramatically. Now you can call it
> pretty.
> And the help system has been given a face lift as well. The Win95 help got
> the "Interface Hall Of Shame" award, I think that whistler's help system is
> at least a runner up for "Interface Hall of Face" award.
> The entire GUI is very good, although I get a chuckle out of "Comments?" on
> top of everything.
> I wouldn't call Windows9x/NT pretty.
> Useful, yes, and the 2000 GUI is much nicer then those before it, but
> Whistler *is* pretty.
>
> From the overall easiness of working with the system, I've to say that MS
> took a long hard look at the iMac success, which was largely based on its
> look and "just plug it in" slogan.
> And decided that they can do it better.
>
> I would refrain from commenting whatever they actually succeeded in that,
> because it's still a beta, and because I don't have that much experiance on
> Macs.
> And practically none at all on an iMac or an iBook.
>
> However, in its current state, I have to say that Whistler is pretty awesome
> UI-wise. I'll have to study it much more to find out if it can serve as more
> than a toy.
> Right now, I would rather use the beta than any win9x, including win98se.
> It's based on NT kernel, which mean it *can't* be as bad as the 9x line.
> At the very least, it's going to be a cool workstation.
>
> For now, I think that there is a good chance that Whistler will be as good
> from win2k as win2k was from NT.
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 07:25:15 +0000
In article <emLU5.81$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, PLZI wrote:
>
>"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:Z5IU5.25243$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>> "PLZI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:cFjU5.1$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > time to check the protocol definition. Or maybe I should really check the
>> > samba.org, and cross-check what they have to say about the spec, before
>> > continuing debate about what can and can not be done with the published
>> spec.
>>
>> It has to do with the non-standard additions to kerberos that are necessary
>> to correctly interoperate in a win2k domain. I think the details may
>> even be published, but only available in a package that forces you to
>> agree not to produce an implementation if you read it. Obviously the
>> samba people are not interested in agreeing to any such thing. If you
>don't
>> get past the authentication step it doesn't matter if you know how to share
>> files
>> or not.
>
>What? I thought the infamous authorization field debate had nothing to do
>with this? And from what I've gathered, there are few points (spelled out to
>me by MS employee, who was ex-MIT Kerberos Team member), that needs to be
>clarified (over and over again, it seems):
>
>1. The authorization data field is meant to be used for, yes, you guessed it,
>authorization data.
>2. The field in question is defined by company who wishes to use it.
>3. No-one raised a single voice, when IBM used it in their Kerberos.
>4. The MS used authorization data in there - yes, NT group GUIDs.
>5. There is no unix which uses NT Groups.
So, MS wanted to be sure that this would be as unix unfriendly as
possible then? Looks like monopoly action to me.
>6. Nothing is lost or gained by using fields which are not usable by the very
>nature of the data they contain.
>7. Like, whaaaaaat?
>
>It is not "non-standard". It is used as it is inteded to be used. What the
It is proprietary, it is not an open standard.
>hell is wrong with these people? Just because some other Kerberos
>implementation does not make use of the field, does not mean that it is not
>intended to be used. And surprise, if the field contains data which is only
>meant to be used by Windows-based systems, how could some other platform gain
>anything by supporting it?
>
>Am I missing something?
>
>(and if I understood anything, the field contains group id GUIDs. How hard
>can they be to read?)
>
>- PLZI
>
>
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Is design really that overrated?
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 01:29:15 -0600
"Mig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:9016sf$dlm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> > "Mig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:8vudi2$t70$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > BTW.. i agree with lots of your arguments.. except that i find KDE2
> > > goodlooking and very stable (Im using Mandrake 7.2 also)
> >
> > Odly enough, I agree. I'm rather impressed with KDE2 from an asthetic
> > point of view.
>
> Well lets disagree a bit :-) I just hate that stop sign with the white
> cross.. its complettely out of order compared with the other nice icons..
> Take a look at the KDE netscape icon or konqueror or kedit icons.. Those
> are beautyfull, "soft" and relaxed icons. Now take a look at the Kmail or
> Knode icons. Not the same style - someone needs to be spanked :-)
I didn't say I was completely happy with it, just that I was impressed (for
an X WM). I'm still annoyed by lots in it, especially the inconsistencies,
but KDE2 is getting there.
> > Mandrake, however has some very goofy things. For instance, the
> > MandrakeUpdate utility uses a scrollbar as a progress indicator...
moving
> > back and forth like a Cylon eyepiece... ugh. Whoever did that should be
> > shot.
>
> Agree, i find that weird too. Maybe they should go with Netscape6/Mozilla
> way of doing it... its simple good looking and a bit annoying
Haha... "By your command..." ;)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 07:27:52 +0000
In article <uZFU5.506$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Chad Mulligan wrote:
>
>"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In article <4%ZT5.10151$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> Chad Mulligan wrote:
>> >
><trimmed>
>> >
>> >Wrong, Try again. SE Asia (Including NZ, and AUS) is the largest richest
>> >market in the world, with China and India following. EC ain't even
>fifth.
>> >If we Californians ever get our sh== together we'll suceed from the union
>> >and they'll drop to seventh or so.
>> >
>>
>> Those are not a _single_ markets. The EC is the largest richest
>> single market in the world. It's quite possible that because of the
>> way currencies are valued internationally, that China and India are
>> first and second in the world, but this is the way things are now.
>
>That's a half rabbit. They are markets the way a company I left recently
>looked at them.
>
>>
>> Mark
>
>
Ah, so if a company decides that the NAFTA doesn't exist then it
disappears into a 'half rabbit'?
The EC is a legal entity. The other regions you refer to are
regions with trade barriers between then. If your company was
treating these regions as single markets then it was committing
tax fraud, so I think you're probably very wrong about this.
Mark
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 07:29:07 +0000
In article <lYFU5.502$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Chad Mulligan wrote:
>
>"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In article <2QZT5.10139$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> Chad Mulligan wrote:
>> >
>> >"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Curtis wrote:
>> >> >Les Mikesell wrote...
>> >> >> Indeed, quite a lot of functionality has been withheld from those
>> >computer
>> >> >> users and they don't even know what they are missing. I'll bet if
>> >they
>> >> >> have a huge list of names in
>> >> >> Last, First
>> >> >> format and wanted
>> >> >> First Last
>> >> >> they would retype the whole thing since they don't have:
>> >> >> :%s/\(.*\), \(.*\)/\2 \1/
>> >> >> or any reasonable equivalent. Their loss. And it would be
>> >> >> mine if that is all I had.
>> >> >
>> >> >Actually, what I do in Win2k here is fire up my TextPad, open the
>search
>> >> >and replace tool, enable regex's and for the search expression:
>> >> >^\([[:word:]]+\), \([[:word:]]+\) or
>> >> >I could use your expression to be less precise
>> >> >\(.*\), (.*\)
>> >> >and the replacement expression
>> >> >\2, \1
>> >> >I hit 'replace all' and I'm done. If I feel I have to do this on more
>> >> >occasions, I just create a macro to do it with one programmable
>shortcut.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Whereas I go to the pub and buy a pint with the money that I didn't
>give
>> >> to Microsoft :)
>> >>
>> >
>> >To bad you wouldn't have the time, what with all the arcane tasks needed
>to
>> >keep a UNIX healthy.
>>
>> Even my updating is automated.
>>
>
>Check.
>
>> And, I can admin my machines using my Psion series 5mx and my mobile
>> phone from the pub if I really want to.
>>
>
>So could I, but I don't need to.
>
Interesting, I didn't realise you could admin NT from a command
line & telnet. I thought you needed some special graphical
capability or needed to be at the console or something. I
thought Microsoft was making a big thing about getting rid of
the command line?
>> Mark
>
>
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From: "PLZI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 07:48:38 GMT
"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <emLU5.81$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, PLZI wrote:
> >
> >1. The authorization data field is meant to be used for, yes, you guessed
it,
> >authorization data.
> >2. The field in question is defined by company who wishes to use it.
> >3. No-one raised a single voice, when IBM used it in their Kerberos.
> >4. The MS used authorization data in there - yes, NT group GUIDs.
> >5. There is no unix which uses NT Groups.
>
> So, MS wanted to be sure that this would be as unix unfriendly as
> possible then? Looks like monopoly action to me.
Now, very slowly, please explain to me, what is MS supposed to do with NT
group information? Provide a NT Group support for all *nix platforms?
> >6. Nothing is lost or gained by using fields which are not usable by the
very
> >nature of the data they contain.
> >7. Like, whaaaaaat?
> >
> >It is not "non-standard". It is used as it is inteded to be used. What the
>
> It is proprietary, it is not an open standard.
Yes, NT's user groups are proprietary. They do not exist on unices. Let me
see. I'll put a Win32 binary file as an attachment to an email message. Now
you receive that file on a very standard SMTP transport. Say you're using
linux. Are you now telling me, that the SMTP standard is somehow violated,
cause the attachment can not be run in your system?
(and yes, of course you can have wine installed, so no nit-picking, thank
you.)
- PLZI
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ed Allen)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 07:59:10 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Said Ayende Rahien in alt.destroy.microsoft on Tue, 28 Nov 2000 20:21:00
> [...]
>>
>>Such as?
>>Evidence, please.
>
>http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/cases/ms_index.htm
>http://www.osopinion.com/Opinions/JamesHoward/JamesHoward5.html
>http://www.opensource.org/halloween/
>http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/1/14214.html
>http://www.brillscontent.com/features/bill_0998.html
>http://www.aaxnet.com/topics/msinc.html
>http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/network/2000/02/07/schulman.html
>http://www.drdos.com/fullstory/incomp.html
>http://www.drdos.com/fullstory/factstat.html
>http://www.ddj.com/articles/1993/9309/9309d/9309d.htm#0272_000e
>http://www.drdos.com/fullstory/dsprgmnt.html
>http://m2.aol.com/machcu/mspquotes.html
>http://www.airmissle.com/antiMS/quotes/
>http://www.vaxxine.com/lawyers/articles/stac.html
>http://www4.bluemountain.com/home/ImportantNotice.html?020399
>http://pacer.cadc.uscourts.gov/common/opinions/199806/97-5343a.txt
>http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-3314493.html?tag=st.ne.1430735..ni
>http://www.dcd.uscourts.gov/microsoft-all.html
>http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/cases/f3800/msjudgex.htm
>http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/cases/f4400/4469.htm
>
>That'll get you started.
>
Damn Max, you are getting as bad as me with overloading people with
lots of links. ;)
He will be gone for days if he really reads all those sites.
On the other hand there is the old saying from Artificial Intelligence:
Information overload equals pattern recognition.
Maybe the fact that these things are being said by more than a
couple of "anti-monopoly loonies" will begin to sink in.
People, all those sites represent lots of others who believe that
the time has come for this criminal activity to cease.
>
>>I don't find it very credible, sorry.
>
>That's because you have lost the ability to recognize what is an is not
>credible, because you've been swallowing too much horseshit from
>Microsoft for too long to even be able to recognize reality when
>confronted with it.
>
Perhaps his taste for good software has been affected ?
"Doesn't crash frequently enough, I need stronger *stuff* !"
--
"Whether you think their witnesses are credible or non-credible;
they've admitted monopoly power, they've admitted raising prices to hurt
consumers, they've admitted depriving consumers of choice...
-DAVID BOIES, US Department of Justice
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ed Allen)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 07:59:10 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Said Curtis in alt.destroy.microsoft on Mon, 27 Nov 2000 22:55:44 -0500;
>>"Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted:
>>|
>>| How did MS controled the price of OS/2?
>>
>>IBM did an incredibly lousy job of marketing OS/2.
>
>Well, it sure is nice to know that you would have done so much better.
>Tell me, how would you have handled the inability to escape marketing
>Windows, without increasing the price to the point where you lost money?
>
I think I would like to take a stab at making that clearer:
Microsoft controlled the price of OS/2 by making sure that they got
paid for a copy of Windows for evey machine shipped even if that
machine only contained OS/2.
Since selling OS/2 sent the cost of a Windows install to Redmond, saved
Microsft the cost of providing manuals and media, and required
you to *pay* the OEM to install OS/2 instead, how could you make money ?
This Microsoft scam was called "Per-Processing Licensing."
Microsoft agreed to stop doing it, after they had killed off all
their competitors, to avoid an antitrust conviction in 1994.
Apparently Microsoft cannot avoid monopolising, it is so much more
lucrative than competeing, so this time they have been convicted.
--
"Whether you think their witnesses are credible or non-credible;
they've admitted monopoly power, they've admitted raising prices to hurt
consumers, they've admitted depriving consumers of choice...
-DAVID BOIES, US Department of Justice
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