Linux-Advocacy Digest #534, Volume #30 Wed, 29 Nov 00 18:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Whistler review. (mark)
Re: Whistler review. (mark)
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? (mark)
Re: Why Java? (mlw)
Re: Whistler review. ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Whistler review. ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Anyone have to use (*GAG*) Windows on the job? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (mark)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 22:31:07 +0000
In article <903r8k$594r$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
>"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In article <8vulpn$5pbkd$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien wrote:
>> >
>> >"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> In article <3a228f5a$0$14371$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Conrad Rutherford
>> >wrote:
>> >> >how would you know?
>> >>
>> >> I think he knows what's run better for him, which is what he said.
>> >>
>> >> It's nothing like :
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >That's like saying you run Linux cause it kicks DOS 6.22's ass.
>> >>
>> >> at all.
>> >>
>> >> wa waaaaa.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Besides, we really don't care whether Ayende likes the colour
>> >> scheme of DOS7.3 or DOS8 or whatever this will be.
>> >
>> >There isn't, nor ever was, DOS in NT line.
>> >You are thinking 9x line.
>> >A very common mistake with linadvocates, it seems.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Shame really, 'cos the only thing I would actually use
>> Microsoft OS for in my own time would be game playing. And
>> that's only possible with DOS.
>
>That is just about the most ridicilous, inaccurate, and idiotic statement
>that I've heard since I last read Aaron's posts.
Que? My, we are getting personal. Well, 'tis true. I do not
run MS OSs in my spare time except under _exceptional_ circumstances.
The only one I know of is for a game which will only run under
dos. That's that. It's a fact, and I don't really see how you
can call it inaccurate.
>
>> How is it that Microsoft managed to break the only good attribute?
>>
>> (Okay, I know, ring 0 and all that).
>>
>> mark
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 22:32:06 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rob Barris wrote:
>In article <903r8m$594r$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Ayende Rahien"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> "Rob Barris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > In article <903l4c$57ru$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Ayende Rahien"
>> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > > 1500 apps on one machine?
>> > > Assuming average install time of 5 minutes, that means about 5 days of
>> > > just
>> > > sitting there 24 a day, just installing software.
>> > > If we assume 8 hour work days, it results in over two weeks.
>> > > No one install 1500 apps on a machine.
>> > > No one *need* 1500 apps on a machine.
>> >
>> > I have 1,177 on my PowerBook.
>>
>> 1,117?
>> Doing what?
>
>Rephrase your question?
>
>Generally they launch when I tell them to, do what I want them to do, ad
>quit when I am done with them - to be realistic some are far more
>popular than others, but they are there nonetheless. The top few might
>be:
>
>Eudora
>CodeWarrior
>Internet Explorer
>MT-NewsWatcher
>MPW Shell
>Photoshop
>Excel
>Word
>Sherlock
>SoundJam
>AOL instant messenger
>
>less frequently run ones might be things like an animated GIF builder,
>an anagram generator, an old sound synthesis program, serial port
>tracing tools, TCP/IP network admin tools, telnet, etc.. you never know
>what challenges each day will bring.
>
>The poster claimed that having 1500 apps would be a burden due to total
>installation time. Here is a data point showing that this need not be
>the case. I've probably only done 10 or 15 full blown CDROM installs
>since June on this laptop, the rest of my stuff came from the old
>system's hard drive or from net downloads.
>
>Rob
Yeah, but use linux (debian at least) and you can just set it going.
Mark
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 22:32:56 +0000
In article <903r8o$594r$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
>"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In article <900dr0$5pbqk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien wrote:
>> >
>> >"Corneil du Plessis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >news:900d6e$kaq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >>
>> >
>> >> Only Microsoft expects their customers to upgrade everything when they
>> >make
>> >> a change.
>> >
>> >I still have a win95 running word 6 on a 486 & 12MB
>> >It's being used daily.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> What use is word 6 now?
>
>Word processing.
>
>
Only if you never need to exchange a file with anyone else.
Mark
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Java?
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 17:38:01 -0500
Les Mikesell wrote:
>
> "mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Let's not get into a language war, but I ask the quetion: Why Java.
> >
> > It is a proprietary API put out by Sun.
>
> It was well designed by Sun and made available for other platforms.
It is still controlled by Sun. They can, when the wish, pull it back.
>
> > It is an interpreted language that pretends to be a compiled one, thus
> > having all the problems of a compiled one as well as an interpreted one.
>
> What problems do compiled languages have other than non-portability
> of the generated code?
Compiled code, C/C++ as an example, have issues about byte ordering,
integer widths, etc.
>Java doesn't have that. The main problem
> with interpreted languages is speed and the pre-compile to bytecode
> avoids some of the slowness.
Java can never EVER be as fast as C++, even with the best JIT compiler,
because in C++ 'var++' does in fact, become 'inc var.'
I would love to see an ANSI Java language environment which is compiled
as C++ is, with the same opinmizations. That would rock. The ability to
add a switch and choose between highly optimized compiled code, and Java
byte code would be awesome.
--
http://www.mohawksoft.com
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 00:24:12 +0200
"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <903l4c$57ru$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> >"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> >> >Conrad Rutherford wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> >> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >>
> >> >> <very large snip because Aaron doesn't understand the first thing
about
> >> >> replying to posts or how to use usenet or even how to change
underwear
> >more
> >> >> than monthly 100+ lines to write unrelated stupidity at the bottom -
a
> >> >> typical @yahoo.com user, almost as bad as an aol.com user>
> >> >>
> >> >> > For now, I think that there is a good chance that Whistler will
be
> >as
> >> >> good
> >> >> > > from win2k as win2k was from NT.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Wow....look at this car
> >> >> >
> >> >> > It's great
> >> >> > It's fantastic.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > They painted it at the factory!!!!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > No, I don't know anything about whether the engine is any good,
> >> >> > or how it handles in turns....or even going in a straight line
> >> >> > down a highway at a mere 60 km/h (US 40 mph)...i only got to
> >> >> > drive it 5 feet forwards and back..
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Yeah...I know there's no locks on the doors...and you can't
> >> >> > roll up the windows...and...you know...it doesn't have any
> >> >> > rear view mirrors...or seat belts...and that hand-crank in
> >> >> > place of the usual steering wheel is gonna take some getting
> >> >> > used to...and...yeah, it's kinda strange how they put the
> >> >> > radio upside down mounted on the floor...it's got a really
> >> >> > leaky fuel system...but...it's got a custom paint job...and
> >> >> > when I crack up on the highway, and die in a ball of fire...
> >> >> > well, it's gonna look really cool!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > And...looking cool THAT's what's REALLY important...
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Here's a hint, Ayende....GROW THE FUCK UP
> >> >> > --
> >> >>
> >> >> Hey Aaron, want YOUR hint?
> >> >>
> >> >> Hey, look at this car.
> >> >> Well, it's not really a car yet, it's just a bunch of parts made all
> >over
> >> >
> >> >Really?
> >> >
> >> >I've done full-installs of Linux from various makers.
> >> >
> >> >ONE reboot, and the system is up and running...with ALL hardware
drivers
> >> >installed, and ALL applications available immediately.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Getting the same hardware configuration to work on a Windows machine
> >takes
> >> >MANY reboots (1 for the sound card, one for the graphics card, one for
> >> >the monitor, one for the printer, one for the mouse, one for the
scanner,
> >> >one for the network card, another for the network configuration.....
> >> >
> >> >And then...installing the software...
> >> >
> >> >Lets see...If you installed 1,500 apps on a windows machine....how
long
> >> >would it take?
> >> >
> >> >A day? don't be foolish!
> >> >
> >> >2 weeks?
> >> >3 weeks?
> >> >
> >> >Just exactly how many WEEKS would it take to install 1500 apps on a
> >windows box?
> >> >
> >> Exactly why my company uses pre-made images on CD. Problem now is that
> >> Microsoft want paying twice. One for the OEM version, then once
> >> for the CD.
> >
> >1500 apps on one machine?
> >Assuming average install time of 5 minutes, that means about 5 days of
just
> >sitting there 24 a day, just installing software.
> >If we assume 8 hour work days, it results in over two weeks.
> >No one install 1500 apps on a machine.
> >No one *need* 1500 apps on a machine.
>
> Ah, you know so little. Look up debian and see what you can have,
> fully automatically installed. A mere 1500 is nothing. You really
> have swallowed the microsoft line here.
>
>
> You can have as many as you like with linux, no arbitrary limits.
> No 'no one *need* 1500', no '640M is enough for anyone'.
Why would you need 1500 applications?
Give me a good reason why would you need 1500 application installed.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 00:24:46 +0200
"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <903nu7$4etg$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> >"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> In article <8vvcd7$5e9qk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien
wrote:
> >> >
> >> >"Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> They said W2k was stable and it proved to NOT
> >> >> be stable. They claim Whistler is stable but
> >> >> they have done this before with W2k and NT
> >> >> before it.
> >> >
> >> >Who proved it and how?
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> 7,000 packages Ayende - how many with Whistler?
> >
> >Who proved Win2k to not be stable.
> >Answer the question.
> >
> >
> How many packages? For free? Oh yeah, none with Whistler.
> A great big zero. Nothing. Smidge. Nil. Zilch. Nowt.
Who proved Win2k to not be stable.
Answer the question.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 00:27:38 +0200
"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <903jti$568q$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> >"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> In article <900vml$60h74$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien
wrote:
> >> >
> >> >"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >> Said Ayende Rahien in alt.destroy.microsoft on Tue, 28 Nov 2000
> >02:33:16
> >> >> [...]
> >> >> >When was it, exactly?
> >> >> >Because prior to late 1998, Netscape *was* a monopoly in the
browsers
> >> >> >market.
> >> >>
> >> >> Well, they were the market leader, and had well over 50% of the
market.
> >> >> But that has nothing to do with being a monopoly. It is
> >> >> anti-competitive behavior, not market share, which makes a monopoly.
> >> >
> >> >No, a monopoly is a monopoly whetever it abuse it power or not.
> >> >
> >> >> >MS didn't have a fighting chance in the browser market until IE4.
And
> >the
> >> >> >reason that I moved to IE wasn't because he was better, it was
because
> >> >> >Netscape was bloated and heavy and buggy.
> >> >> >I don't think that I would've moved if they were of comparable
> >quality.
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm not going to bother trying to convince you that your ability to
> >> >> determine the quality of a piece of software is obviously flawed. I
> >can
> >> >> even agree with the sentiment that Netscape was (is) bloated, heavy,
> >and
> >> >> buggy. But the last version of IE which could avoid the same, and
> >> >> worse, label was before version 3; since then, they've been equally
fat
> >> >> and stupid. IE just has the added disadvantage of being monopoly
> >> >> crapware.
> >> >
> >> >Netscape 6 ate 65MB of my RAM in less than 30 Minutes of *very* light
> >> >operating. It only released them after I *terminated* it. Simply
closing
> >the
> >> >program didn't work, it stayed in memory.
> >> >OE & IE has yet to take 65MB of my RAM from 30 minutes of heavy
surfing.
> >> >OE occationally does this, but this is when handling tens or hundreds
of
> >> >thousands of messages.
> >>
> >> What on earth do you mean by that? Are you doing mass emailing or
> >> something? That's a lot of messages or did you just mean headers?
> >
> >Mass emailing someone is not a task I would give to OE.
> >I meant handling newsgroups with tens to hundreds of thousands messages
> >stored locally (both headers & message body)
> >
> >
>
> OE does not do this. News servers do this.
OE can do this, and that is what it does on my system.
You download all the messages from a big newsgroup with long expiration set,
and you would easily find yourself with tens or hundreds of thousands of
messages.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 00:31:19 +0200
"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <903jte$568q$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> >"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, T. Max Devlin
> >wrote:
> >> >Said Ayende Rahien in alt.destroy.microsoft on Tue, 28 Nov 2000
02:33:16
> >> > [...]
> >> >>When was it, exactly?
> >> >>Because prior to late 1998, Netscape *was* a monopoly in the browsers
> >> >>market.
> >> >
> >> >Well, they were the market leader, and had well over 50% of the
market.
> >> >But that has nothing to do with being a monopoly. It is
> >> >anti-competitive behavior, not market share, which makes a monopoly.
> >> >
> >> >>MS didn't have a fighting chance in the browser market until IE4. And
> >the
> >> >>reason that I moved to IE wasn't because he was better, it was
because
> >> >>Netscape was bloated and heavy and buggy.
> >> >>I don't think that I would've moved if they were of comparable
quality.
> >> >
> >> >I'm not going to bother trying to convince you that your ability to
> >> >determine the quality of a piece of software is obviously flawed. I
can
> >> >even agree with the sentiment that Netscape was (is) bloated, heavy,
and
> >> >buggy. But the last version of IE which could avoid the same, and
> >> >worse, label was before version 3; since then, they've been equally
fat
> >> >and stupid. IE just has the added disadvantage of being monopoly
> >> >crapware.
> >> >
> >> > [...]
> >> >>IE has a tendecy to take a 9x down with it when it die. (Not on NT,
> >usually.
> >> >>And 2000 & Whistler has an option to launch IE & Explorer as
seperated
> >> >>processes, a little slower to launch {*mcuh* faster on Whistler, a
> >> >>difference of almost 2 seconds, but it's not fair comparing a
> >workstation to
> >> >>a server} but it increase system stability.)
> >> >>Netscape only takes itself down (usually, at least, there had been
> >> >>exceptions), but it takes as much time to load it as it takes to
reboot
> >> >>windows.
> >> >
> >> >Hmmmm....
> >>
> >> If I could actually manage to *stop* win98 then that might seem
> >> like a sensible statement.
> >>
> >> Chad's not taken up my request to get Microsoft tech support to
> >> fix that, and Mike? seems to think its something to do with the
> >> machine's BIOS.
> >>
> >> Fyi I've rebooted Win98SE once today, and my wife has rebooted
> >> Win95 3 times. Each time took *far* more time than loading
> >> netscape.
> >
> >I'm not aware of your computer's setting, but you might want to take a
look
> >at Power Management.
>
> There is nothing wrong with power management. Power management is *not*
> an issue whilst eg., word is still running. I would expect you, as
> a self-proclaimed windows expert to have slightly more technical
> understading than this. I'm beginning to think you know as little
> about windows as you do about unix.
Power management has nothing to do with Word running or not.
It's an icon "Power Options" which control the way windows do is configured.
APM is configured from there, frex.
That is a starting point to look at when you have troubles such as you are
describing.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 00:34:13 +0200
"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <903jt3$568q$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> >"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> Les Mikesell wrote:
> >> >
> >> > "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> > news:9002v7$5mp65$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> > >
> >> > > > > MS went out of its way to fix this. Did it very fast, too.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Note that this was at a time that MS had legal problems over
> >> > > > anti-competitive
> >> > > > practices. I remember having to upgrade many applications over
the
> >> > years
> >> > > > because they quit working with some particular MS version change
or
> >> > > service
> >> > > > pack, but can't remember the details. Did anyone keep records
of
> >which
> >> > > > app broke at each change?
> >> > >
> >> > > So, "MS broke a lot of application." and "I clearly remember that"
and
> >> > "I've
> >> > > no details about it"*
> >> > > Somehow, I am finding this statement completely unbelievable.
> >> >
> >> > OK, let's try approaching this from the other direction. How many
large
> >> > apps
> >> > from MS's competitors are you still running unchanged from the first
> >version
> >> > of Windows. Or even from 1995?
> >
> >Accent Express, which is a word processing application which was
comparable
> >(or better) to word 6. Didn't used word 6 much, or at all, for that
matter.
>
> So why do you keep it on a 486 with win95, as you said in another posting?
A> Because there is no reason to change it.
B> Accent uses a whole different interface.
C> Accent only support its own file type, which I've been unable to open
with other programs.*
* Haven't looked very hard, it's hardly 30MB and takes very little resource,
open the document, cut & paste, and the document is now on Word or any word
processing of your choosing.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 00:34:43 +0200
"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <903jt7$568q$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> >"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> In article <8vvd45$5u7qu$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien
wrote:
> >> >
> >> >"." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >> In article <8vsjnl$5ffj4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >> says...
> >> >> > A common anti-ms arguement is that it change the API without
> >bothering
> >> >to
> >> >> > tell anybody and thus breaking competitor's applications.
> >> >>
> >> >> I think you mean "a common anti-ms observation"
> >> >>
> >> >> Even if they don't do it intentionally, they keep breaking things.
I
> >> >> think it was SP6 that broke Notes server wasn't it? Required all
> >clients
> >> >> have admin access or something...
> >> >
> >> >Fixed within days.
> >>
> >> The word you were looking for was 'yes'. The phrase would have been
> >> 'Yes, it was SP6 that broke Notes server'.
> >
> >Because Notes didn't used NTLM & API correctly.
> >Whose fault is that?
> >
> >
>
> Yes - SP6 broke the Notes server. Shouldn't hurt.
That wasn't a yes or no question.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Anyone have to use (*GAG*) Windows on the job?
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 17:45:49 -0500
Stuart Fox wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark) wrote:
> > In article <8vvt5j$bm4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Stuart Fox wrote:
> > >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > Edward Rosten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> An X problem /can/ stop the machine. I've never seen it happen.
> I've
> > >> only lost my X server a few times (once?) in the last 2 years. I've
> > >> never crashed the computer. Strangely, the only people who suffer
> from
> > >> frequent X lockups and frequent computer lockups as a result are
> the
> > >Win
> > >> trolls. Odd.
> > >>
> > >Also odd that the Linux users seem to be the only people who have to
> > >reboot their NT machines daily to get them to work. How strange.
> > >
> > I've not seen that claimed. Weekly seems common, it's certainly
> > the advice my company gives, along with only one server process
> > per machine.
>
> Have a read through the Deja archives, you'll see plenty of that
> claim. Our company recommends not rebooting them at all. Instead, it
> recommends making sure that you figure out why you need to reboot them,
> and fixing the problem. By and large this is a good policy, and we
> don't tend to have to reboot the boxes unless we're doing upgrades.
Considering that even MS doesn't know how do debug their boxes,
please explain the procedure.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 22:40:41 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Curtis wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark) posted:
>
>[..]
>| >Too bad for you. The thread isn't that long and what's worse, I requoted
>| >it all in this very message to which you're replying. This is how bad
>| >things are with you and the fact that you will not read, comprehend and
>| >remember.
>|
>| Pointless stab, so far as I can see?
>
>Not at all. Well deserved at this stage.
Pointless stab again.
>
>| So why did you mention it?
>
>I felt like?
>
>| What's BeOS got to do with what context these apps were used in?
>| A paragraph and a sentence can be co-incident, this is simple
>| grammar.
>
>None. I never said it had anything to do with it.
So why was it there?
>
>| What is this list of apps? That's all I want to know.
>
>
>| These apps which you say run on all these different OSs,
>| or at least have functional equivalents. What are they?
>
>Covered that before.
No, you've still not covered it at all.
>
>| I have no idea what you're talking about here at all now.
>
>You never did really know.
How can you tell me what I'm thinking?
>
>| I've been requoting and rewriting and representing the *very* same
>
>Nooooooo!!!! ***I'm*** the one that has been doing that!!
I have been asking for the same list of apps over and over
and over again. I'm still waiting, and I'm still not seeing
Where is this list of apps?
>
>| So how long is OS/2 to NT transition - 5 mins? 1 year?
>
>It doesn't matter. Never mind. I won't add another piece of info to the
>mess that confuses you so much.
It absolutely matters. It is fundamental to your claims. how
long is this crucial period. You said, paraphrased 'I had linux
installed in the transition period between nt4 and win2k'. So
how long was that? 10 mins, 1 year?
>
>| 4=1? Help!
>
>I'm afraid helping you is beyond me.
I think telling me how often and how long you've had linux
installed is beyond you. Is anything you've said at all
truthfull, or is it all invention.
>
>| I don't know what you're arguing about here,
>
><cough> I beg you're pardon?!!
What I said.
>
>
>| Ah - so why didn't you say in the first place :)
>
>I've been saying more or less the same thing over and over again. Just
>like your question. This whole thing has been colossally circular.
>
>| Not all that, since you said yourself you had Beos for 2 days. The
>| transition period for that must have been << 2 days.
>
>What transition period? He introduces yet another strawman here and I
>certainly won't bite this time around.
Presumably there was some point, in history, when you didn't have
BEOS, then a point when you did. Between those two was a transition.
This is pretty simple stuff. Then there was another. HOw long
were they?
>
>| Graakkk.
>|
>| That just seriously dented my concentration.
>
>Concentration?
Yes. Concentration.
>
>| No, I guess not, but it means that you're requiring me to
>| search several different posting just to get *your*
>| chronological list, in order to discuss something with you
>| which you raised and posted here in the first place.
>
>You're joking right?
No, I'm still waiting for the list of apps which had functional
equivalents which you used on all the OSs you mentioned from
1996 onwards. Simple question.
>
>| I don't actually wish to paint you at all, let alone as rational or not.
>|
>| I'd be worried if I were worried about that at all.
>
>You're joking right?
Yes, that was a joke.
>
>
>| I didn't say I cut anything. I really think you're having trouble
>| following this thread.
>
>Now that's it. Have a nice day Mark. It was NOT good.
You cannot seem to understand the indenting, you attributed one of
your own comments to me. why?
>
>[...............]
>
>PS// Despite all the trimming everything is fully within context.
Close, no banana, but close. You should re-check your indenting,
On 2 separate occasions during that discussion you specifically
asked me why I had said things which you had. Is ther something
wrong with your newsreader? Does it not indent properly?
Mark
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