Linux-Advocacy Digest #536, Volume #30 Wed, 29 Nov 00 19:13:06 EST
Contents:
Re: Ok, putting money where my mouth is... ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Whistler review. (Josiah Fizer)
Re: Why Java? (mlw)
Re: Statistic about this bigot group (mark)
Re: How Tux helps Linux succeed (was: Is design really that overrated?) ("the_blur")
Re: Whistler review. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (Giuliano Colla)
Re: Linux is awful ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: linux on a 486 ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: The Sixth Sense (Giuliano Colla)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (T. Max Devlin)
Re: The Sixth Sense (T. Max Devlin)
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Ok, putting money where my mouth is...
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 17:55:57 -0500
Ketil Z Malde wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> I think have a problem with you attitude. Somebody thinks a bunch of
> Linux artwork sucks, and offers to improve it. So why do you have to
> flame him?
Wrong.
What I noted was that he thinks the contents of a splash screen
seriously enhances or debilitates the performance of a system.
BIG DIFFERENCE.
>
> > Does the contents of the splash-screen file effect the system in ANY
> > way?
>
> > A) yes
> > B) NO!
>
> As you succinctly point out, splash screens (and icon design,
> backdrops, etc etc) have little bearing on the technical qualities of
> a system, they are only aestethic.
Exactly. He was saying the the whole system is crap based
on the splash screen.
>
> Personally, I really like aesthetics, as long as they don't get in my
> way. I don't see why I should have a sucky splash screen if I could
> have a nice one. I secretly enjoy my co-worker's envious grunts when
> they compare my slick Linux desktop with their crummy windows one.
I don't see why any SANE person would write off a reliable,
efficient, highly productive operating system on the basis
of a splash screen.
> If you don't want blur's icons or splash screens, fine! But please
> quit whining and ranting against people who want to do volunteer work
> and contribute it to the community.
I'm just commenting on his contention that a splash screen that
doesn't align with *his* taste somehow nullifies ALL of the
advantages of Linux. This is EXTREMELY short-sighted.
By the way, the sketches look like they were snagged from the
source of the illustrations from O'Reilly's books ( http://www.ora.com/ )
>
> -kzm
> --
> If I haven't seen further, it is by standing in the footprints of giants
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Josiah Fizer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 14:54:28 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ayende Rahien wrote:
> "mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In article <903l4c$57ru$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien wrote:
> > >
> > >"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> > >> >Conrad Rutherford wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >> >> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >> >>
> > >> >> <very large snip because Aaron doesn't understand the first thing
> about
> > >> >> replying to posts or how to use usenet or even how to change
> underwear
> > >more
> > >> >> than monthly 100+ lines to write unrelated stupidity at the bottom -
> a
> > >> >> typical @yahoo.com user, almost as bad as an aol.com user>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > For now, I think that there is a good chance that Whistler will
> be
> > >as
> > >> >> good
> > >> >> > > from win2k as win2k was from NT.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Wow....look at this car
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > It's great
> > >> >> > It's fantastic.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > They painted it at the factory!!!!
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > No, I don't know anything about whether the engine is any good,
> > >> >> > or how it handles in turns....or even going in a straight line
> > >> >> > down a highway at a mere 60 km/h (US 40 mph)...i only got to
> > >> >> > drive it 5 feet forwards and back..
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Yeah...I know there's no locks on the doors...and you can't
> > >> >> > roll up the windows...and...you know...it doesn't have any
> > >> >> > rear view mirrors...or seat belts...and that hand-crank in
> > >> >> > place of the usual steering wheel is gonna take some getting
> > >> >> > used to...and...yeah, it's kinda strange how they put the
> > >> >> > radio upside down mounted on the floor...it's got a really
> > >> >> > leaky fuel system...but...it's got a custom paint job...and
> > >> >> > when I crack up on the highway, and die in a ball of fire...
> > >> >> > well, it's gonna look really cool!
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > And...looking cool THAT's what's REALLY important...
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Here's a hint, Ayende....GROW THE FUCK UP
> > >> >> > --
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Hey Aaron, want YOUR hint?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Hey, look at this car.
> > >> >> Well, it's not really a car yet, it's just a bunch of parts made all
> > >over
> > >> >
> > >> >Really?
> > >> >
> > >> >I've done full-installs of Linux from various makers.
> > >> >
> > >> >ONE reboot, and the system is up and running...with ALL hardware
> drivers
> > >> >installed, and ALL applications available immediately.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >Getting the same hardware configuration to work on a Windows machine
> > >takes
> > >> >MANY reboots (1 for the sound card, one for the graphics card, one for
> > >> >the monitor, one for the printer, one for the mouse, one for the
> scanner,
> > >> >one for the network card, another for the network configuration.....
> > >> >
> > >> >And then...installing the software...
> > >> >
> > >> >Lets see...If you installed 1,500 apps on a windows machine....how
> long
> > >> >would it take?
> > >> >
> > >> >A day? don't be foolish!
> > >> >
> > >> >2 weeks?
> > >> >3 weeks?
> > >> >
> > >> >Just exactly how many WEEKS would it take to install 1500 apps on a
> > >windows box?
> > >> >
> > >> Exactly why my company uses pre-made images on CD. Problem now is that
> > >> Microsoft want paying twice. One for the OEM version, then once
> > >> for the CD.
> > >
> > >1500 apps on one machine?
> > >Assuming average install time of 5 minutes, that means about 5 days of
> just
> > >sitting there 24 a day, just installing software.
> > >If we assume 8 hour work days, it results in over two weeks.
> > >No one install 1500 apps on a machine.
> > >No one *need* 1500 apps on a machine.
> >
> > Ah, you know so little. Look up debian and see what you can have,
> > fully automatically installed. A mere 1500 is nothing. You really
> > have swallowed the microsoft line here.
> >
> >
> > You can have as many as you like with linux, no arbitrary limits.
> > No 'no one *need* 1500', no '640M is enough for anyone'.
>
> Why would you need 1500 applications?
> Give me a good reason why would you need 1500 application installed.
The trick is that he's counting things like grep, ls and man as "applications".
By that logic I have 1200 or so "applications" on my NT workstation, 1500
wouldn't be much of a stretch.
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Java?
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 18:05:46 -0500
"ben@z" wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Donn says...
>
> >
> >As I said before, the main strength of Java is the ability to code
> >internet apps very easily w/ a C++ like language. Also, it's perfect
> >for e-commerce apps, because Java apps run inside a web browser. VB
> >doesn't do this.
> >
>
> Java has many advantages over Java. Many of the major companies are
> adopting the Java platform and moving away from the windows platform.
>
> When one write to the java platform, their applications are immediatly
> portable to any platform where the java platform exists.
>
> It is clear that Java is winning, and winning big. There are now more
> Java programmers than C++ programmer, and the lead is growing each day.
>
> Java is a pleasure to program with, it is more reliable, more robust,
> and more OO than C++.
Not nearly as efficient or as fast as C++. It is a proprietary API to a
proprietary interpreter.
--
http://www.mohawksoft.com
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Subject: Re: Statistic about this bigot group
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 22:50:19 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, mlw wrote:
>Gerson Kurz wrote:
>>
>> I evaluated 1335 mails including the heavy traffic threads "Of course
>> there is a downside" and "The sixth sense". This is a list of the top
>> ten newsreaders used to post messages. If you're interested I can post
>> the source, or a complete list for this group (my server currently
>> holds ~4100 messages but I didn't care enough for downloading them
>> all).
>>
>> 34 Users - MicroPlanet Gravity v2.30
>> 34 Users - slrn/0.9.6.2 (NetBSD)
>> 36 Users - Mozilla/4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17-21mdksmp i686)
>> 44 Users - Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U)
>> 82 Users - Forte Agent 1.8/32.548
>> 90 Users - slrn/0.9.6.2 (Linux)
>> 91 Users - Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200
>> 121 Users - Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600
>> 126 Users - Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {TLC;RETAIL} (Win98; U)
>> 268 Users - Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400
>>
>> Of course, you're all on WINE, right ? Yeah sure.
>
>Are you saying there are over 900 distinct people on this news group?
>That means that out of 1335 mails, we have an average of fewer than two
>messages per person. I think 900 distinct people is quite high, and
>average of fewer than 2 messages each is a bit low.
>
>I think your numbers are wrong. If they are not wrong, what they mean is
>not clear. It could mean you are not going by distinct email addresses,
>and only sorting by email program. This would be very important because
>it will prove what we always suspected that most of the noise is
>produced by a statistically small number of people.
>
Oh man, I agree with you :)
Mark
------------------------------
From: "the_blur" <the_blur_oc@*removespamguard*hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: How Tux helps Linux succeed (was: Is design really that overrated?)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 18:05:31 -0500
> Addendum: I've had a look at your "pinguinos". You missed the point.
> These are not logo-like; they're just pictures of penguins. Anyhow:
They are just pictures of penguins. I agree. Did you read the type at the
top of the page? It said they are the first step in a process. I'm just
documenting all of it for future reference. They are nowhere near ready
(with the exception of one, which was sort of already used).
<comments about my pinguinos snipped, as they are not even close to logos
yet>
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 18:10:49 -0500
JS/PL wrote:
>
> "Peter Ammon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > JS/PL wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > And give me an example of a .dll file or .exe I can't open for reading.
> I
> > > just dropped msimn.exe (outlook express) into notepad for viewing while
> it
> > > is running, I then proceeded to RENAME it while it is running without so
> > > much as a warning prompt without any problems. Windows simply kept
> msimn.exe
> > > and added the newly named duplicate msimn1.exe to the folder.
> >
> > Wait, are you saying that you can't rename an open file under Windows
> > without making a copy?
> >
> > I've got a file open in AppleWorks right now, and I rename it as I would
> > any file, in the Finder. Not only do I not get "so much as a warning
> > prompt," the name change is immediately reflected in the title bar of
> > the window where I edit the file.
> >
> > -Peter
>
> That's not what I said. Kulkis made reference to .exe files not "any file" I
> too have an open file and can rename it. If I have file.txt open, it can be
> renamed file1.txt without having to make a copy because there's no
> dependency elsewhere which gets broken, such as shortcuts or associations.
"save as" is NOT renaming the file...it's saving a 2nd copy under a new
name.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 23:10:56 GMT
Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> "Ed Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:902ccm$jcm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >Said Curtis in alt.destroy.microsoft on Mon, 27 Nov 2000 22:55:44 -0500;
> > >>"Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted:
> > >>|
> > >>| How did MS controled the price of OS/2?
> > >>
> > >>IBM did an incredibly lousy job of marketing OS/2.
> > >
> > >Well, it sure is nice to know that you would have done so much better.
> > >Tell me, how would you have handled the inability to escape marketing
> > >Windows, without increasing the price to the point where you lost money?
> > >
> > I think I would like to take a stab at making that clearer:
> >
> > Microsoft controlled the price of OS/2 by making sure that they got
> > paid for a copy of Windows for evey machine shipped even if that
> > machine only contained OS/2.
> >
> > Since selling OS/2 sent the cost of a Windows install to Redmond,
> saved
> > Microsft the cost of providing manuals and media, and required
> > you to *pay* the OEM to install OS/2 instead, how could you make money
> ?
> >
> > This Microsoft scam was called "Per-Processing Licensing."
> >
> > Microsoft agreed to stop doing it, after they had killed off all
> > their competitors, to avoid an antitrust conviction in 1994.
> >
> > Apparently Microsoft cannot avoid monopolising, it is so much more
> > lucrative than competeing, so this time they have been convicted.
>
> If IBM would've really wanted to push OS/2, they would've not signed those
> contracts.
> And market OS/2 as the OS of their computer.
> It's called believing your product.
Do not forget that those contract had been signed long before. Contracts
between MS and IBM were signed when the president of IBM, subsequently
removed, was a good old friend of the mother of a young computer hacker
called Bill Gates.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 18:14:16 -0500
Pete Goodwin wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > Using the new AOL promo CD you got with the Sunday newspaper?
>
> Is it the policy of this group to poke fun at people with problems with
> Linux? Or is the assumption that _anyone_ reporting problems is not worth
> listening to, and should be derided? If so, then what amazing arrogance!
>
Mandrake 7.2 is stable.
The original poster is a LIAR.
> --
> Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: linux on a 486
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 18:16:36 -0500
Kevin Croxen wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Terry Porter wrote:
> >On Tue, 28 Nov 2000 21:47:02 -0800, Micah Higgs
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>is it possibul to put linux on a 486/66mhz with only a floppy drive?
> >Sure, I have it on my 386/sx25 mhz router right now.
> >
> >It boots from the floppy drive, and thats all it needs.
> >
> >On the other hand you may mean, 'can I install, Linux with only a floppy drive'
> >?
> >The answer is yes to that as well.You can d/l a minimal floppy dist of Debian
> >(www.debian.org) on 8 floppies (2.0.36 kernel), that will run on a 120 meg hdd,
> >thats what Ive got on my spare which is an old 486/50.
> >
> >You can do just about anything with Linux
>
> Likewise the base install and minimal networking capabilities can be done
> with Slackware 7.1 (2.2.16) by floppy, to the level where one has a
> complete base system and enough networking capability to install anything
> else from the distro over a LAN or from a download. If one uses older
> Slack (through about 3.4 or 5; 2.0.34 or so), all packages are installable
> by floppy. Many of the packages got too big for a single diskette after
> that.
No problem. After the base system is running, with networking,
just download to hard disk, and install from there.
>
> --Kevin
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 23:16:48 GMT
Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> "mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mike Byrns wrote:
> > >Giuliano Colla wrote:
> > >
> > >> Ayende Rahien wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > Netscape 6 supports multiple POP severs, but I've not yet tested it
> > >> >
> > >> > According to a review from one of the more known computer reporters
> in here,
> > >> > it sucks.
> > >> > Of personal experiance (beta, though) it has the stability of a dove
> in a
> > >> > hurrican.
> > >>
> > >> I gave a quick test (under linux) of beta's. Until PR3 they were just
> > >> for fun. PR3 appeared to be a reasonable beta (a little buggy,
> something
> > >> not implemented, but usable).
> > >> You may have different behavior under Windows, because the application
> > >> must handle a lot of issues which under Unix are handled by OS.
> > >
> > >Is that why about all previous versions of Netscape about all Unices are
> widely
> > >regarded by Unix folks as unstable too? Windows Netscape has always been
> the
> > >flagship for obvious reasons.
> >
> > Those reasons being directly related to the monopoly of desktop
> > OS space by microsoft. Says nothing about stability or quality,
> > just monopoly.
>
> You haven't answered Mike's question.
> Why is Netscape's versions on Unix are widely regarded as unstable?
Because Netscape follows Windows standards on stability. Unix users find
it unbearable, being used to different standards.
------------------------------
From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 05:26:42 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said mark in alt.destroy.microsoft on Mon, 27 Nov 2000 20:23:37 +0000;
[...]
>The issue is why Microsoft see no business gain in providing
>a customer with what they want. The reason they do not is
>because they do not need to - there is nobody selling a
>competing product which will take away their market share
>whether they do this change or not. That is a monopoly.
>The reason *why* there is nobody there to take that
>market share is because of the business *barriers* to
>entry into that market space.
That was so well said that I have abandoned any animus I have built up
over your 'harping' on certain MSdroids, resulting in tedious,
flame-oriented threads.
[...]
--
T. Max Devlin
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 05:26:44 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Ayende Rahien in alt.destroy.microsoft on Tue, 28 Nov 2000 14:38:34
>"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> > > > > What major vendor could have sold you an Intel based PC in 1996
>> > > > > without paying for a copy of windows?
>> [...]
>> > No, he claimed that you can't buy a intel based PC in 1996 without
>> > paying to MS.
>>
>> No, I asked which major vendor could have sold you one, and I notice
>> that you tried to avoid the issue instead of answering.
>
>What is the big deal about not being able to buy it from a major vendor?
>Buy enough from a small one and you'll make it a major vendor :)
>
>> > If the major vendor is such an important issue, then create a
>> > goverment-owned vendor to buy proccessors from intel and sell computers.
>>
>> Yikes, if I don't trust a garage mechanic to build a computer, why do
>> you think I would trust the government?
>
>Who do you trust, then?
Ummm.... a major vendor?
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 05:26:53 -0500
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Said Ayende Rahien in alt.destroy.microsoft on Tue, 28 Nov 2000 06:39:43
>"." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In article <8vsjnl$5ffj4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> says...
>> > A common anti-ms arguement is that it change the API without bothering
>to
>> > tell anybody and thus breaking competitor's applications.
>>
>> I think you mean "a common anti-ms observation"
>>
>> Even if they don't do it intentionally, they keep breaking things. I
>> think it was SP6 that broke Notes server wasn't it? Required all clients
>> have admin access or something...
>
>Fixed within days.
>Microsoft withdraw SP6 and released SP6a, which fix this problem.
>Gee, if you wanted a story about how MS break other companies' applications,
>it's about the worst you could pick.
Actually, I would expect it is almost the best you could pick: reliable
enough to be acknowledged by Microsoft, and important enough to affect
Notes.
>Lotus didn't use the API the way the should've, and they messed up with the
>NTLM.
Well, it was Microsoft's API, so doesn't that mean its just a crappy
platform, seeing as the dominant industry leader couldn't get it to work
the way they wanted it to?
>MS went out of its way to fix this. Did it very fast, too.
Yea. Quite fast. Almost as if they already knew just where the
incompatibility was....
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