Linux-Advocacy Digest #551, Volume #30 Thu, 30 Nov 00 04:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: I am the Humble Dragon ("Chris Applegate")
Re: Whistler review. (kiwiunixman)
Re: Linux is awful (Terry Porter)
Re: Linux is awful ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Statistic about this bigot group ("Les Mikesell")
Re: How Tux helps Linux succeed (was: Is design really that overrated?) (Ketil Z
Malde)
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Statistic about this bigot group (Terry Porter)
Re: Anyone have to use (*GAG*) Windows on the job? (Ketil Z Malde)
Re: Linux is awful (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Linux is awful (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Linux is awful (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Linux is awful (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Linux is awful (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Linux is awful (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Statistic about this bigot group (kiwiunixman)
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From: "Chris Applegate" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I am the Humble Dragon
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 02:49:37 -0500
"Humble Dragon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
<snip>
> I want to run what i like. I want to run Linux. I don't want to run
> what 12,000,000,000,000 other people are running just because it's
> "popular". Windows is a pos, period. Windows lovers, kiss my arse!@
Anyhow, did you ever notice how offended Linux users get even when people
aren't taking a slam at Linux?
CDA
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From: kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 07:53:46 GMT
However, it could be said that Linux is a haka operating system as it is
a challenge to Microsoft.
kiwiunixman
Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> kiwiunixman wrote:
>
>> Or the New Zealand Version: Windows Haka
>
>
> Alla versions ofa Windows is a Hacka...
>
>
>> Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>>
>>> kiwiunixman wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is Microsoft going to release a Scottish version, Windows Bagpipes :)
>>>
>>>
>>> Bagpiper.
>>>
>>>
>>>> kiwiunixman
>>>>
>>>> Ayende Rahien wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I've finally gotten whistler (pro, 2296, beta 1), and I'm *liking* it.
>>>>> For those of you who doesn't know what this is, whistler is an the new OS
>>>>> (the one that will inherit both win2k & win ME) from Microsoft, destined to
>>>>> finally eliminated the 9x line.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is my biased review.
>>>>> I'm going to limit myself to comments about the new GUI and features of the
>>>>> OS, as this a Beta1, it's not yet appropriate to talk about performace and
>>>>> stability yet.
>>>>>
>>>>> Starting with the install, you stick the cd in the drive, set the BIOS to
>>>>> boot from the CD, and you are done.
>>>>> Strangely enough, I have the system up and running without returning to the
>>>>> BIOS to change the settings, and it's still working.
>>>>>
>>>>> The installation itself is pretty similar to Windows 2000, blue screen in
>>>>> text mode, and afterward the familiar wizard style.
>>>>> The main difference is that it's now uses the "simpler start menu" as a
>>>>> background.
>>>>> Installation took little longer than an hour, most of the time to format a
>>>>> NTFS HD.
>>>>> After the text mode, which require some little knowledge in the computer's
>>>>> HD, the installer required very little input from the user, and did all the
>>>>> configuration on its on.
>>>>> The computer is win2k HCLed, btw.
>>>>>
>>>>> As a note:
>>>>> For some reason, it thinks that I've multiply monitors, likely because I've
>>>>> a TV-Out card. This doesn't seem to cause any problems whatsoever, so I
>>>>> don't think I would bother to fiddle with it in the near future.
>>>>>
>>>>> The new startup screen is cool, but I like the win2k one better, the win2k
>>>>> one provide some (limited, but real) information on how much progress the OS
>>>>> had in loading itself.
>>>>> Whistler's startup screen provide no such information, in that, it's very
>>>>> much like the win9x startup screens.
>>>>>
>>>>> The system finished loading, and you get a pretty wizard like interface
>>>>> which explained you how to use the computer (can't report much about this, I
>>>>> quited this part when it started explaining how to you the mouse.), ask you
>>>>> whatever you want to register at Microsoft.com, and help you setup a dial up
>>>>> account.
>>>>> Then you create users, You can create up to six users in this screen.
>>>>> I don't like this way very much, all the accounts you create this way are
>>>>> admins, with no passwords set on them, and you get *no* warning about this.
>>>>> The user interface itself, for that matter, isn't very good comparing to NT
>>>>> or 2000.
>>>>> You can enter a user's name, and a picture, if you like, but that is about
>>>>> it.
>>>>> Accounts are created without passwords by default, another thing I don't
>>>>> like.
>>>>> And when you login, all the accounts on the computer are presented to you,
>>>>> which is another mistake.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can see the reasons behind this, of course, as the whistler I'm using is
>>>>> supposed to go to home users, where you rarely need such security measures,
>>>>> and there are probably ways to fix those things, which I'm currently
>>>>> clueless about.
>>>>> The biggest problem I've with this (all accounts being displayed) can
>>>>> apperantly turned off quite easily (I've not tested it yet, though)
>>>>>
>>>>> Strangely enough, by default, the desktop don't display the "My Computer"
>>>>> and "My Documents" icon folders.
>>>>> With those icons being probably the most important in handling windows, I'm
>>>>> quite sure it's a bug.
>>>>> Another bug I found is in the control panel>mouse>pointer options, where the
>>>>> "Show location" option doesn't warp, so the "y." (at least I assume that it
>>>>> what it's supposed to be) cannot be seen.
>>>>>
>>>>> The icons problem was fixed by right clicking the desktop, active
>>>>> desktop>customise my desktop, btw.
>>>>> I also recommend to use the "Proffessional" image as background to the
>>>>> desktop, totally cool.
>>>>>
>>>>> The entire GUI is cool, for that matter.
>>>>> It feel like a game or a flash applet.
>>>>> The login screen, for example, is in pastel colors, and you've a list of
>>>>> users, with pictures near each name, and when your mouse is over a username,
>>>>> all the other usernames fade out.
>>>>> If you click a username, and it has no password, it moved to the center of
>>>>> the upper half of the screen, and it would tell you what it's doing (3 - 4
>>>>> seconds process) while it loads your settings.
>>>>> If it has a password, it opens (open like a drawer, really cool) a box that
>>>>> ask you to enter the password.
>>>>> On NT & 2000, you needed a *long* password to feel the password box, in
>>>>> whistler, it takes very few characters for the password box to be full on
>>>>> the black circles, so you've no indication whatever you are still typing.
>>>>> It makes sense, I assume, as it obscure password length to onlookers, and
>>>>> it's no worse than unix no showing what you type at all.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I like the "simpler start menu", for now, at least.
>>>>> It would take some getting used to, I suppose. But I suspect it can also
>>>>> drive a person crazy, very easily. One thing that I already find annoying in
>>>>> this is that you can't logoff without using the mouse.
>>>>> And logging off is something that I think that I'll have to do quite often
>>>>> in Whistler, at least in the first period.
>>>>> You can revert back to the normal windows way, of course.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alt+Ctrl+Delete behave quite unlike what you expect.
>>>>> In 9x, it brings you a list of running application, which allows you
>>>>> (hopefully) to close them.
>>>>> In NT/2000, it brings a list of options, which I find more practical than
>>>>> the 9x one.
>>>>> In whistler, you get "Task Manager", which NT/2000 users should be familiar
>>>>> with.
>>>>> You can do everything you used to be abled to do with the NT ctrl+alt+del,
>>>>> except change your password, which must be done throught the user settings
>>>>> in the control panel.
>>>>>
>>>>> One of the coolest features in in Whistler is the ability to logoff and
>>>>> leave all your current applications working.
>>>>> User A log on, do some work, and has to go. He log off, and go away for some
>>>>> time. User B comes along, log on, do his stuff until he is done, and then he
>>>>> log off.
>>>>> User A return, he log on, all his applications are intact, for those of you
>>>>> who are familiar with NT/2000, it's similar to computer lock.
>>>>> Infact, in Whistler, Locking the computer is very similar to Switch user.
>>>>> One thing, though, if you play a cd and lock the computer, and log as
>>>>> another user, you still hear the cd. I've to test it for other sound
>>>>> programs, but I believe it's a CD related issue.
>>>>> You can also log off completely, thus releasing the resources that you took.
>>>>>
>>>>> Those of you who are familiar with linux, it's similar to Alt+F#, only in
>>>>> GUI.
>>>>> It's a little more cumbersome to move between users, because you has to
>>>>> logon to do so, but it's working.
>>>>> Unfortantely, there are no virutal desktops, such as there is in Gnome &
>>>>> KDe, which can be very useful.
>>>>> There is something which is called "Clean up notification area" which may
>>>>> provide similar ability. (The main reason for virtual desktop is to keep the
>>>>> taskbar or whatever you call it from cluttering, this should solve this,
>>>>> apperantly.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Whistler currently comes with IE & OE 5.6, which doesn't seem to offer any
>>>>> big improvement over IE 5.5, at least on the surface.
>>>>>
>>>>> To my joy, the wide languague support from 2000 remained on Whistler. (Which
>>>>> wasn't the case on ME, which really pissed me off)
>>>>> Trying to change different settings proved quite easy, although tooltips are
>>>>> too widely used, IMHO. But I can understand why they are neccesary, and they
>>>>> proved to be handy.
>>>>> Another problem is in the task bar, in normal winodws mode, the application
>>>>> on focus has its tab in the spacebar pressed, which make it easy to detect
>>>>> it.
>>>>> On Whistler (professional skin), the tabs on the applications are
>>>>> highlighted, which takes getting used to. In the meantime, I get a lot of
>>>>> windows minimized when I don't want them to because of this.
>>>>> It's also hard to tell where one application tab is ending, and where
>>>>> another begin.
>>>>> And the scroll bars aren't a great idea either, white on pale gray is nice
>>>>> if you bother to actually *look* at it, but who looks at a scroll bar
>>>>> anyway? You want something that is easy for the eye to see.
>>>>> I like the skinning idea, but at the moment, I only have two (pro &
>>>>> classic), anybody knows whatever there are more out there?
>>>>>
>>>>> The Explorer has been changed quite dramatically. Now you can call it
>>>>> pretty.
>>>>> And the help system has been given a face lift as well. The Win95 help got
>>>>> the "Interface Hall Of Shame" award, I think that whistler's help system is
>>>>> at least a runner up for "Interface Hall of Face" award.
>>>>> The entire GUI is very good, although I get a chuckle out of "Comments?" on
>>>>> top of everything.
>>>>> I wouldn't call Windows9x/NT pretty.
>>>>> Useful, yes, and the 2000 GUI is much nicer then those before it, but
>>>>> Whistler *is* pretty.
>>>>>
>>>>> From the overall easiness of working with the system, I've to say that MS
>>>>> took a long hard look at the iMac success, which was largely based on its
>>>>> look and "just plug it in" slogan.
>>>>> And decided that they can do it better.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would refrain from commenting whatever they actually succeeded in that,
>>>>> because it's still a beta, and because I don't have that much experiance on
>>>>> Macs.
>>>>> And practically none at all on an iMac or an iBook.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, in its current state, I have to say that Whistler is pretty awesome
>>>>> UI-wise. I'll have to study it much more to find out if it can serve as more
>>>>> than a toy.
>>>>> Right now, I would rather use the beta than any win9x, including win98se.
>>>>> It's based on NT kernel, which mean it *can't* be as bad as the 9x line.
>>>>> At the very least, it's going to be a cool workstation.
>>>>>
>>>>> For now, I think that there is a good chance that Whistler will be as good
>>>>> from win2k as win2k was from NT.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 30 Nov 2000 08:01:50 GMT
On Wed, 29 Nov 2000 21:07:27 +0000,
Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> Using the new AOL promo CD you got with the Sunday newspaper?
>
>Is it the policy of this group to poke fun at people with problems with
>Linux?
No Pete , this COLA, perhaps your thinking this is a linux TECH HELP ng ?
> Or is the assumption that _anyone_ reporting problems is not worth
>listening to,
Bzzzzzt, wrong again, please make way for the next Wintroll.
> and should be derided?
Some posters should be derided, "Heather/Claire/Steve/Keys88" is one of them.
> If so, then what amazing arrogance!
Your ignorance and holier than thou attitude is whats amazing Pete, please
realise, some here can recognise the above Wintrolls anonymous posting
flavour.
>
>--
>Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
I thought you were still waiting for Linux to get there ?
>
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:05:32 GMT
"Pete Goodwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:LceV5.9046$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > Using the new AOL promo CD you got with the Sunday newspaper?
>
> Is it the policy of this group to poke fun at people with problems with
> Linux? Or is the assumption that _anyone_ reporting problems is not worth
> listening to, and should be derided? If so, then what amazing arrogance!
How can anyone possibly have a legimate purpose in posting
anti-linux propaganda consisting of claims of problems that none
of the rest of us have in a linux advocacy group? Of course we
should poke fun at them. Did you see anything resembling a question
about what he might have done wrong to have a much different experience
than other people do?
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Statistic about this bigot group
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:14:24 GMT
"Gerson Kurz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >They do no such thing. They do not say what type of post comes from what
> >type of device.
> Ever heard of header fields in postings ? In "Free Agent", select
> "Show All Header Files"; I don't think MOE will give you that much.
>
> Besides, I have to admit the statistics was incorrect in that I said
>
> 268 Users - Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400
>
> and so on, I should've said
>
> 268 Postings - Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400
Probably mostly mine - I can't figure out how to export something
like a .newsrc out of OE to pick up reading on something better and
I'm too lazy to catch up on all the groups at once.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: How Tux helps Linux succeed (was: Is design really that overrated?)
From: Ketil Z Malde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:16:44 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus) writes:
> The Linux penguin is one of the greatest logos I know. Its
> un-logo-ness is the key to this:
> 1. it is not offensive or aggressive: it looks calm and friendly
I think "lobotomized" covers it pretty well.
> 2. it will not clash with a non-technical environment (try pinning a
> Windows logo to your shirt at a party)
Use Linux to get chicks? Perhaps you could pull a Nicholas Cage, as
in 'Wild at Heart': "This here is a penguin-skin jacket and it's a
symbol for my individuality and belief in personal freedom!"
It might even work.
> 4. it's got nearly no connotations because most people don't know
> altogether too much about what penguins are like
We got the BSD crowd there. Of course, chicks may prefer horny^Hed
devils.
> 5. any penguin will look like it, so many companies can derive
> penguin-based logos from it and you'll still get the reference (it's
> hard to derive a different logo from, say, the Windows logo)
I agree. Most I can think of involve broken glass. And trademark
infringement lawsuits.
-kzm
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 10:06:08 +0200
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said Ayende Rahien in alt.destroy.microsoft on Tue, 28 Nov 2000 21:13:09
> >"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> Said Ayende Rahien in alt.destroy.microsoft on Tue, 28 Nov 2000
03:39:23
> >
> >> >For example, a program that rip CD-Audio has every reason in the world
to
> >> >add itself as an alternative to the CD-Audio menu.
> >>
> >> Add itself as an alternative? I thought you said they had "every
> >> right"; why on earth would anyone want their app to be an alternative?
> >
> >Because ripping CD-Audio is not a common task with CDs.
>
> That would depend, wouldn't it? For those that rip audio from or to
> CDs, I'd say its probably a common task, wouldn't you? For the rest, it
> might be uncommon, I guess.
That is why it should ask if it should add itself as the default.
> >The player should be the default, the ripper as an alternative.
>
> Oh, I see. You're second-guessing the operator, and determining what
> "makes sense" for them. I'm sure they appreciate it.
>
> >And I never said "every right", I said it has "every reason" to do so.
> >If you are going to qoute me, at least do it correctly.
>
> The "every right" quote was from an earlier statement on the topic,
> IIRC.
>
> >I don't comment about the rest as I'm tried of talking to fanatics.
>
> I hate to do it, but I simply *have* to note that this means you've
> failed to present any cogent arguments to refute my statements. Thanks
> for your time. Hope it helps.
>
> >The obivious resort to this would be that I'm fanatic as well, which may
or
> >may not be the case (and this will also encounrage people to post saying
I
> >am a fanatic, no may abou it), but at least I am willing to talk to the
> >other side and listen to what they are saying.
>
> Actually, the real resort is that I would like you to keep posting. You
> may be incorrect in most of your arguments, but you're quite a far sight
> preferable to the trolls.
>
> Thanks for your time. Hope it helps.
>
> --
> T. Max Devlin
> *** The best way to convince another is
> to state your case moderately and
> accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Statistic about this bigot group
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 30 Nov 2000 08:24:42 GMT
On Wed, 29 Nov 2000 11:32:59 +0000, Frank Van Damme
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <By4V5.73427$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "BcB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>
>
>>System Uptime:
>>4 Days, 0 Hours, 21 Minutes, and 40 Seconds
>
>How did you do that? I have some source code from someone, but it doesn"t
>filter out the "load average" and so on.
>
>--
>Never underestimate the power of Linux-Mandrake
>7.2 on an AMD K7 800 / 128.
You can use 'up', it doesnt display all the extra stuff that 'uptime' does.
>From http://www.freshmeat.net
up replaces the uptime program that comes with most Linux distributions.
It displays the uptime and not the number of users, current time, or
load average. It does not stop calculating uptime at days either,it will figure
out your uptime all the way up to decades. For example, an uptime of 56 days is
shown as8 weeks.
urls
Download: ftp://ftp.burdell.org/pub/up/up-0.3.tar.gz
As for displaying it in your sig heres a easy to do that:-
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echo "Terry">>./.news_sig
echo "--">>./.news_sig
echo "**** ****">>./.news_sig
echo " My Desktop is powered by GNU/Linux, and has been ">>./.news_sig
up >> ./.news_sig
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file is read by the respective programs.
Kind Regards
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Subject: Re: Anyone have to use (*GAG*) Windows on the job?
From: Ketil Z Malde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:38:49 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark) writes:
>> I think the Linux kernel should be mature enough that interfaces can
>> be stabilised - at least within stable series of kernels (e.g. 2.4.x,
>> 2.2.x), so that a binary driver can keep working seamlessly through
>> kernel upgrades.
> Ah, now I understand. You don't know how kernels work.
I beg your pardon?
> Once you have the source, you can *always* make it work, unlike the
> microsoft model where old drivers don't work with new kernels.
I'm sorry, but no. Linus has explicitly reserved the right to change
internal interfaces at whim.
He hardly ever does, but the *political* problem is still there, if
you supply a driver, you need to test against every minor kernel
release, and possibly introduce changes in accordance with said whim.
This wouldn't be a big deal (isn't, really) if Linus had all drivers
integrated in his source tree, and if he tested everything before
release. Unfortunately, he's only slightly superhuman.
The kernel is the only part I still compile myself - apart from some
really esoteric stuff. Basically, if my distribution could put
together up-to-date kernels (i.e. follow Linus' and Alan's releases in
a reasonable tempo), along with equally current modules and utilities
from the various other driver suppliers (e.g. Creative Labs for my SB
Live) in separate packages - then I'd probably not bother with
compiling my own.
> Get linux and join the compatible world!
Been running Linux since 1993.
-kzm
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:33:14 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Spicerun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You tell us what your excuse is for advocating Windows in a Linux
advocacy
> newsgroup, and you will discover the answer to your question.
My "excuse"? I need an excuse to tell you that Linux doesn't meet my
requirements, despite hearing hype telling me otherwise?
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:35:05 GMT
In article <9044o8$r6i$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No, it shows the caliber of the people advocating MS products. They
have
> been around for a long time. In this group there have been a number of
> them who have changed ID's and posted this type of post. The clue is
> when they are not or never have asked for help, they are just piss'n
and
> moan'n
>From watching this group for a while it seems _anyone_ who has a
criticism of Linux is immediately ribbed, ridiculed and otherwise
insulted.
I'll accept there may be people here deliberately trying to wind you up,
but does that apply to every post? How do you know if the concern is
genuine or not?
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:36:27 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark) wrote:
> No, but claire/steve/keys/cat/hepcat/jason/sir is our well-known
> troll who changes name & sex on a regular basis, but nothing else.
>
> But then, you knew that, didn't you, Pete?
I have no idea if Claire is Steve or whoever. He/She makes some
interesting comments, most of which are drowned out by the constant
abuse by some writers in this group.
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:38:41 GMT
In article <twmV5.11488$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Also, since 7.2 comes with a pre-release version of KDE 2, you need to
> upgrade to get the final. I had lots of problems with KDE until
upgrading.
I'm still trying to work out if my version of KDE 2.0 is really V2.0 or
the prerelease. How do you tell?
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:43:59 GMT
In article <gTnV5.27077$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How can anyone possibly have a legimate purpose in posting
> anti-linux propaganda consisting of claims of problems that none
> of the rest of us have in a linux advocacy group? Of course we
> should poke fun at them. Did you see anything resembling a question
> about what he might have done wrong to have a much different
experience
> than other people do?
"Anti-linux propoganda"? If the rest of the group don't have certain
problems, does that automatically mean they don't exist?
Are you telling me my problems with SB16 and AHA152x are anti-Linux
propoganda? They exist. They're real. Other people may not have
experienced them, but that does not make them any less real.
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:41:38 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Humble Dragon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What cave have you been living in? This guy is a WinTroll (tm).
Don't
> you realize this is the same shit he usually posts, like Mandrake
sucks,
> etc. etc.? He only posts this shit a 1,001 times. Pull your head out
> of your ass. He's trolling, not asking for help.
Maybe he is, maybe he isn't. It's just that _every_ single post I see
here making complaints about Linux is immediately blasted.
> PS, if you ever need to know the typical IQ level of a WinUser, just
> check out Boris' posts sometimes. He'll overwhelm you with witty
> phrases like "you an asshole", or "you stink".
After being called "Shithead" by one Linux Advocate, does that tell me
the typical IQ of a LinuxUser?
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From: kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Statistic about this bigot group
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:57:06 GMT
I see you're not using Lookout Express to post your comments? I thought
you liked Microsoft
sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
much!
kiwiunixman
Gerson Kurz wrote:
> I evaluated 1335 mails including the heavy traffic threads "Of course
> there is a downside" and "The sixth sense". This is a list of the top
> ten newsreaders used to post messages. If you're interested I can post
> the source, or a complete list for this group (my server currently
> holds ~4100 messages but I didn't care enough for downloading them
> all).
>
> 34 Users - MicroPlanet Gravity v2.30
> 34 Users - slrn/0.9.6.2 (NetBSD)
> 36 Users - Mozilla/4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17-21mdksmp i686)
> 44 Users - Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U)
> 82 Users - Forte Agent 1.8/32.548
> 90 Users - slrn/0.9.6.2 (Linux)
> 91 Users - Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200
> 121 Users - Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600
> 126 Users - Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {TLC;RETAIL} (Win98; U)
> 268 Users - Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400
>
> Of course, you're all on WINE, right ? Yeah sure.
>
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