Linux-Advocacy Digest #587, Volume #30 Fri, 1 Dec 00 09:13:06 EST
Contents:
Re: Whistler review. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: The Sixth Sense (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Red Hat drops Sparc support with new Linux version ("Chad Myers")
Re: Whistler review. (westprog 2000)
Re: Things I have noticed................ ("MH")
Re: Whistler review. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Red Hat drops Sparc support with new Linux version ("Chad Myers")
Re: linux jobs and skills. Why the sudden surge and increase? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 08:57:22 -0500
Conrad Rutherford wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Conrad Rutherford wrote:
> > >
> > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Leonardo wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Spicerun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > Conrad Rutherford wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > how would you know?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've been there!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > That's like saying you run Linux cause it kicks DOS 6.22's ass.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I run Linux because it kicks MSDOS3.x, MSDOS4.x, MSDOS5.x,
> MSDOS6.x,
> > > > > > MSDOS7.x, Win9x, WinME, WinNT, and Win2K's ass (all of which I've
> > > tried at
> > > > > > one time or another....and having to use Win2k here at work --
> which
> > > you
> > > > > > would have known if you had read one of my replies elsewhere in
> this
> > > > > thread.
> > > > > > But then again, asking a Winvocate Troll to Read before Posting is
> > > futile.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Then why don't you tell your boss that You Will Never Use Windows
> Again.
> > > > > Looser, HAH
> > > >
> > > > Every time I go into an interview, I tell them:
> > > >
> > > > "I will NOT take responsibility for any system which uses, or is
> > > > dependant upon any platform running crud produced by Microsoft."
> > > >
> > > > And yet....I keep getting contracts for more and more pay.
> > > >
> > > > Why is that?
> > >
> > > BECAUSE YOU ARE LYING!
> > >
> > > I know NO ONE in the entire world that would hire someone who is as
> arrogant
> > > to go to an interview and TELL the hirer what they will or will not take
> > > responsibility for, unilaterally. Then again, companies that would hire
> you
> > > after such a statement are probably so small and broke that we'll never
> have
> > > heard of them.
> > >
> > > besides, you have to go on interviews...? My recruiter calls me to tell
> me
> > > who wants me next.
> >
> > That must be why I'm pulling down over $100k / year.
>
> You missed the part where I say you are lying. Your CO doesn't make
> $100k/year and no one at your GS level does either.
You truly are an idiot.
One, I'm not on any GS pay-scale. I work in private industry.
Same for my CO.
Hope that helps, moron.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 13:57:15 GMT
Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> "T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > You haven't the foggiest idea. How about you deliver a "simple
> > application" that does *both* associate multiple extensions with an
> > existing file type or a new file type, regardless of whether those
> > extension are registered with another existing file type. We'll see how
> > non-simple it is, eh?
>
> It's *very* simple.
> T. Max.
> As in, about the level of complexity of notepad.
>
> The application was built using VB6, therefor, you may need DLL files to run
> it, VB6 required files can be downloaded from here:
> ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/Softlib/MSLFILES/vbrun60.exe
> The application itself can be downloaded from here:
> http://www10.ewebcity.com/ayende/filetypes.zip
>
> The application works, I would *not* use it in real life situations because
> it took me only about 15 minutes to write it, and about 30 minutes total to
> add the comments and minimum documentation needed.
> Full source code is also supplied.
I'm not sure that I'd call gluing components together "programming".
(I'm not saying that's all you've done, I have no interest in looking
at VB code).
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red Hat drops Sparc support with new Linux version
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 13:43:50 GMT
"Conrad Rutherford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:3a26e716$0$3654$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-3937182.html?pt.ms..feed.ne_home
>
> I can't blame them, lack of interest is why MS dropped support for other
> chips in W2K.
>
> Just amusing to see RedHat following the dollars and not technology for
> technologies sake.
Using Penguinista logic, we can now assume that Linux never, doesn't, nor
ever will support SPARC, right?
-Chad
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From: westprog 2000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 13:47:23 GMT
In article <pBmV5.3637$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
...
> Although I'm BIG fan of Pascal, (Used Borland's compilers for years
> and
> still use 7.0 for DOS "quickies") I think assembly is an excellent
> teaching
> tool in that it forces a student to really THINK his algorithms
> through. It
> also give a great deal of insight into how a computer actually works
> on a logical level.
> I'm also quite sadistic at times and would love nothing more than to
> assign
> a large project, with floating point math, using the above mentioned
> hardware, to some pimply faced kid who learned on Visual Basic! Hee
> Hee Hee.
Personally, I would not let anyone near assembler until they have
developed good coding practices. If someone who knows Basic is taught
assembler, by the time he learns an appropriate language, the bad
habits will be thoroughly engrained. Someone who knows how to program
properly can be taught the techniques of assembly (or machine code)
programming without much harm. One does not start driving lessons by
dismantling the engine.
Ideally, trainee programmers wouldn't be let near a computer for their
first six months.
--
J/
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: "MH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Things I have noticed................
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 09:04:39 -0500
Oh god...the endless automobile analogies. When will they ever end? MAKE
THEM STOP!!
So, still posting with W98 I see. When is that big, bad Beowulf cluster
you're running going to be able to post? Oh, and if you're not going to
*cut* down the size of your replies by editing, at least use a newsreader
than can wrap the lines properly. This Gecko shyte you're using is horrific.
"kiwiunixman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I'd say that Linux would be a Volks Wagon Beatle (the original) because
> it is small, compact, cheap to run and built to last. Windows however
> is like a Lada (or Skoda, take ya pick), ugly on the outside, ugly
> inside, unreliable, and boy, do they rust!
>
> kiwiunixman
>
> mark wrote:
>
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, kiwiunixman wrote:
> >
> >> The concept about the "desktop", IMHO, the OS should be a very thin
layer of
> >> code in a computer, hence, should not be the main focus and domanant
part of
> >> the computer (I think 650MB is pretty dominant in the case of Windows
2000).
> >> Linux is not a hard OS to master, it is simply a different way of doing
> >> something, it's like going from driving a Mini Cooper to a Log Truck,
> >> fundimentally, both work the same way, in practice, a little learning
is
> >> needed to drive the truck.
> >
> >
> > Okay, but I'd tend to see the mini cooper as the linux, and the slow,
> > lumbering, constricting, hard to manoeuvre, heavy on gas truck as Win2k.
> >
> >
> >> kiwiunixman
> >>
> >> James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> news:3a22a933$0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >>
> >>> "kiwiunixman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >>> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >>>
> >>>> Things I have noticed from my own experience and from reply's to this
> >>>
> >> news
> >>
> >>>> group:
> >>>>
> >>>> 1. When wintel users argue a topic and they find that they getting
> >>>
> >> beaten,
> >>
> >>>> they bring out the old GUI argument, the perfect example of this is
in
> >>>
> >> the
> >>
> >>>> whistler post, to sum it up, "Fuck the quality, what about the pretty
> >>>> colours", the amount of time Microsoft spends on the GUI, Bill Gates
> >>>
> >> might
> >>
> >>>> as well be a fashion designer, "Bill Gates Summer Fashion
Collection",
> >>>
> >>> could
> >>>
> >>>> you imagine an interview with Bill Gates (fashion designer), "this
new
> >>>> summer collection is a combination of colour and patterns to
compliment
> >>>
> >>> the
> >>>
> >>>> summer atmosphere, and as normal, we have stuck to the main selling
> >>>> principle, "More colour, less quality" ".
> >>>>
> >>>> This conclusion made from the "whistler" post by Ayende Rahien.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> 2. From who I know in the Wintel world, Wintel users tend to have the
> >>>
> >>> worst
> >>>
> >>>> taste in fashion and music. Two of them could not co-ordinate
colours
> >>>
> >> and
> >>
> >>>> patterns if their life depended on it :) God, music, listening to
> >>>
> >> rubbish
> >>
> >>>> such as Five, Backstreet Boys, S-Club and Boy Zone. You are probably
> >>>> saying, "What has fashion and music un-cordination have to do with
> >>>
> >> OS's",
> >>
> >>>> everything! This argument is no better than the GUI argument that
gets
> >>>
> >>> used
> >>>
> >>>> by wintel users.
> >>>>
> >>>> This conclusion made from analysing Wintel user responses and people
at
> >>>> university.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> 3. So-called ex-linux users using the excuse, "it is too hard" as an
> >>>
> >>> excuse
> >>>
> >>>> for not continuing to use Linux. Down the road at my local book
store
> >>>
> >>> there
> >>>
> >>>> were hundreds of books, from linux for beginners up to programming
linux
> >>>
> >>> on
> >>>
> >>>> servers, so for around $NZ99.95 (incl. GST) a user can get a book and
a
> >>>> CD-ROM giving a complete guide on how to use Linux . Why should they
> >>>
> >> read
> >>
> >>> a
> >>>
> >>>> book? well, isn't reading a book better than looking at the idiot box
> >>>> (television) at night.
> >>>>
> >>>> This conclusion reached from all the posts from Claire Lynn (now
known
> >>>
> >> as
> >>
> >>>> Sir)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> 4. The so-called UNIX crushing NT4 never achieved what it set out to
do,
> >>>
> >>> it
> >>>
> >>>> fact, it re-enforced the need to stick with UNIX, so in some
respects,
> >>>
> >> NT4
> >>
> >>>> was a god send for companys such as Sun Microsystems and SGI (Server
> >>>> Division) which gave them something to mock and use as a benchmark to
> >>>
> >>> prove
> >>>
> >>>> their system reliability.
> >>>>
> >>>> This conclusion reached from market information and Chad's conviction
> >>>
> >> that
> >>
> >>>> NT4 is better than UNIX.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> 5. Wintel users who post here tend to have 6 months experience and
can
> >>>
> >>> click
> >>>
> >>>> on the start button, hence, by Microsoft definition, they are an
expert
> >>>> computer user. I, however started off using an Amiga 500, whilst at
the
> >>>
> >>> same
> >>>
> >>>> time I also taught my self how to program on a BBC-Micro with 32K
mem,
> >>>
> >>> then
> >>>
> >>>> I gradually moved on to a Pentium 75 with 8MB Ram (later upgraded to
> >>>
> >>> 40MB),
> >>>
> >>>> used Windows 95a for around 1 year, got pissed off and moved onto
Redhat
> >>>> Linux 5.2, then upgraded my machine to a Pentium 200MMX with 64MB
Ram,
> >>>> installed SuSE Linux 6.0. About a year ago I upgraded to a Pentium
550e
> >>>
> >>> and
> >>>
> >>>> SuSE Linux 7.0 Professional, and here I am, next year I plan to
either
> >>>> upgrade to a SGI O2 workstation or SUN Ultra Sparc Workstation.
Compare
> >>>
> >>> that
> >>>
> >>>> time line to the typical wintel poster here with the typical story
of,
> >>>
> >> "I
> >>
> >>>> bought a computer, I must be a computer expert" mentality.
> >>>
> >>> Enough bragging! Some windows users here have real qualifications and
> >>> experience of computers, such as building embedded systems way back in
the
> >>> early 80's using the intel 8086 ICE (that is "in circuit emulator").
And
> >>> writing large programs in assembler, later PL/M 86.
> >>> Personally, I have used virtually all programming languages in my
early
> >>> engineering years, including the nice Modula-2 (which I prefer to
C/C++).
> >>> Before that I started on programming the Motorola 6800 in assembler.
I
> >>
> >> even
> >>
> >>> used to write maths programs for my HP41CV. I have had more computers
> >>
> >> than
> >>
> >>> I care to remember, and currently have about (there may be more in the
> >>> storeroom) 4 (P3/733 256MB, P/233 MMX, Cyrix 150, 486) at home,
another 2
> >>
> >> at
> >>
> >>> work (Compaq EN P3/733 256MB, Dell P2/350). Plus an oldish laptop
(Compaq
> >>> Armada).
> >>> Geez! Just because you have had a few machines you think you are now
> >>> "qualified" to critisize others who you don't even know.
> >>>
> >>> What you guys don't realize is that nobody (> 99%) wants a difficult
> >>> desktop. Why make something more difficult than it has to be? The
goal
> >>
> >> is
> >>
> >>> to use the desktop to access programs to get real work done. The
object
> >>
> >> is
> >>
> >>> *not* the desktop.
> >>> Just because you're a mechanic doesn't mean a jalopy will suit you
best.
> >>
> >> To
> >>
> >>> make the driver not need, or be, a mechanic *is* what is really hard
to
> >>> achieve. To my delight, Mandrake/KDE is starting to achieve this (see
my
> >>> previous post).
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> This conclusion reached by analysising alf-assed efforts to rebuke
the
> >>>> superior technology behind Linux.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> 6. When a wintel user get defeated by carefully phrased responses,
they
> >>>> change their names, aka Claire Lynn/Chad/ and any other names you
care
> >>>
> >> to
> >>
> >>>> add.
> >>>>
> >>>> This conclusion reached by analysing alf-assed efforts to rebuke the
> >>>> superior technology behind Linux/UNIX.
> >>>>
> >>>> kiwiunixman
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
>
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 09:02:28 -0500
Simon Palko wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Simon Palko wrote:
> > >
> > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Simon Palko wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > Bennetts family wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Curtis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > > > "Bennetts family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > [..]
> > > > > > > > » Spent time on NT, and it isn't as bad as 98, but certainly
> not
> > > > > crash
> > > > > > > hot,
> > > > > > > > » either. I haven't used 2k, because it is just NT5, with a
> new
> > > > > paint
> > > > > > > job. And
> > > > > > > > » that *matters*.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You really should use it before saying such drivel about it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yeah, sorry, I know. I don't doubt that 2k is more stable than
> NT4,
> > > and
> > > > > > > Whistler will be even better, but still, there's too many bodge
> > > fixes,
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > the whole thing desparately needs a rewrite from scratch.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I would hav ZERO problem with Windows...if someone would come up
> with
> > > > > > an implementation COMPLETELY FREE of development by Microsoft
> > > personnel.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If MS thinks that they are so hot, why don't they just release the
> > > > > > API spec, and challenge someone to come up with something
> better....
> > > > > > and pay the winner a prize
> > > > >
> > > > > Are you REALLY this dense? The whole Win32 API is freely available
> for
> > > > > ANYONE who wants to look at it. Have you heard of WINE? It's an
> > > > > implementation of Win32 on linux (may be on other *nixen now,
> haven't
> > > > > checked up on it in a while).
> > > >
> > > > WINE is an attempt at reverse-engineering, NOT a clean-room
> > > > implementation from a published spec.
> > >
> > > Win32 IS A PUBLISHED SPEC.
> > >
> > > It's freely available, with EVERY SINGLE API CALL DOCUMENTED.
> >
> > Really. That must be why there are so many undocumented APIs.
>
> There are *no* undocumented *Win32* APIs that I, or anyone else I've ever
> seen, is aware of.
What part of "UNDOCUMENTED" do you not understand???
There are entire BOOKS covering undocumented Lose32 APIs.
> No one has *EVER* presented me *ANY* evidence of the
> existance of these, which would be trivial to do with a debugger that traps
> calls made. There *ARE* undocumented *NTAPI* calls. These are meant as
> hooks into the lower level system, and not for application use. I question
> whether they can actually even be called "APIs", as they're not meant for
> use by applications. The Win32 subsystem, OS/2 subsystem, POSIX subsystem,
> and WOW all map their calls in one way or another to NTAPI, IIRC. MS has a
> habit of changing this with different releases, and even on service packs,
> so its understandable as to why they don't document it for general
> development. They don't want people developing for it. Just program for
> one of the higher-level APIs and you're fine.
>
> This argument has been brought up time and time again, and I've yet to see a
> SINGLE piece of evidence that any software out there makes calls to APIs in
> Win32 that are undocumented. Please try to think a little beyond your
> typical Linux FUD. Linux is a great OS, wonderful for those that want to
> learn about how OSes actually *work*. It's not, however, the be-all,
> end-all of OS-dom, and other OSes that take a different approach aren't
> necessarily *wrong* just because they're *different*.
>
> --
> -Simon Palko
>
> "More fun than a barrel of monkeys... with dynamite strapped to their
> backs!"
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red Hat drops Sparc support with new Linux version
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 13:50:00 GMT
"Ken Klavonic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Conrad Rutherford wrote:
> >
> > http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-3937182.html?pt.ms..feed.ne_home
> >
> > I can't blame them, lack of interest is why MS dropped support for other
> > chips in W2K.
> >
> > Just amusing to see RedHat following the dollars and not technology for
> > technologies sake.
>
> Redhat != Linux. SuSE, Debian, Mandrake, and Caldera support Sparc
> (others?). For something slightly different, NetBSD and OpenBSD also
> support Sparc, and are likely to continue to do so for the forseeable
> future. Of course, if it's fairly recent hardware, Solaris is probably
> the way to go anyway.
1.) RedHat seems to be the only company/distro dedicated to making
Linux a server-type OS. Debian tries, but doesn't have the support
setup to be taken as serious as Red Hat in corporate worlds.
2.) Yes, Solaris is probably the way to go anyhow.
> Besides, if I wanted to run Linux on Sparc, I still can (6.2), and just
> do my own upgrades to the kernel et al along the way.
Do your own upgrades? Give me a break.
> Personally, I run OpenBSD and Solaris on my Sparc boxen.
Me too. They suck "less" than Linux.
> It's all about choice. What choice does M$ give you???
They give you the choice that 99.9% of the consumers want.
> You can run on x86 and... x86.
You know, that's not a bad thing. 1.) That's what everyone
wants because of numerous reasons (performance, price, etc).
2.) That seems to be the front runner in many areas including
performance nowadays (www.tpc.org).
> And, don't pity those poor 'slobs' that were running NT on
> Alpha/PPC/MIPS...
Not really, considering there weren't many, if any on MIPS/PPC.
I blame, and so does every NT Alpha user, Compaq, for the lack
of MS Alpha support now. MS still releases service packs and
versions of their newer software (IE, etc) for Alpha. MS hasn't
dropped it dead, they're just not having any new major dev
on it.
> They can all run Linux and *BSD too...
But why would they waste all the money to buy an Alpha box and
then put a noose around its neck with Linux or BSD?
-Chad
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: linux jobs and skills. Why the sudden surge and increase?
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 09:08:05 -0500
kiwiunixman wrote:
>
> The reason why you can is because UNIX got it right the first time,
> unlike Microsoft, which, in some cases, still haven't got it right.
Precisely.
>
> kiwiunixman
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>
> > Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
> >
> >> On 29 Nov 2000 13:23:51 -0800, chris@looking_for_advice wrote:
> >>
> >>> I think I am making the correct thing, please tell me if I am
> >>> wrong, and why you think so. Any people actually working on
> >>> linux for living? can you tell what do you think the future for
> >>> linux jobs will be?
> >>
> >> I've recently been offered a programming position in an academic
> >> environment, writing free Linux software, and that's probably what
> >> I'll do next year.
> >>
> >> Linux skills are pretty valuable because they have broader application
> >> than just Linux -- linux is built on standards, so your skills should
> >> be applicable to UNIX in general.
> >
> >
> > That...and the code you write today will still work 30 years from now.
> >
> > Not true with LoseDOS.
> >
> >
> >> I'd suggest that you set yourself up a nice home network and get a solid
> >> understanding of "sys admin 101", and back it up with some solid
> >> programming skills. See the books "Beginning Linux Programming" and
> >> "Professional Linux programming"
> >>
> >> I think the future for people with solid Linux skills will be pretty good.
> >> Linux seems to be the place where a lot of interesting development (eg
> >> KDE, GNOME) is taking place. As a general rule, I think people who develop
> >> broad skills on standards based technologies ( C, C++, UNIX ) have a
> >> better future than those who rely on proprietary technologies ( VB )
> >>
> >> --
> >> Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
> >> elflord at panix dot com
> >
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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