Linux-Advocacy Digest #587, Volume #34 Fri, 18 May 01 04:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop ("jet")
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! (GreyCloud)
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! (Ed Allen)
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! (GreyCloud)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop ("jet")
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop ("jet")
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! ("[EMAIL PROTECTED]")
Re: Why did Eazel shutdown? (GreyCloud)
Re: Analysis of the Linux Report from MS (GreyCloud)
Re: Rather humorous posting on news.com commentry forum: (GreyCloud)
Linux takes Hollywood by storm! (GreyCloud)
Re: Analysis of the Linux Report from MS ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Solaris 8 vs 7/2.x.... ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! (Dave Martel)
Re: Campaign: Microsoft Free by October 1st ("Edward Rosten")
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From: "jet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 23:59:16 -0700
Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> jet wrote:
> >
> > Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Ray Fischer wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >Ray Fischer wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >> And where do you suppose the men gets AIDS?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> From women.
> > > > >
> > > > >Bzzzzzzzt! Wrong.
> > > > >There is no transport mechanism for any such infection to happen.
> > > >
> > > > Well, it seems that the United States Centers for Disease Control
> > > > believes otherwise.
> > > >
> > > > But what do they know? The all-knowing homophobe Kulkis says
> > > > otherwise.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/pubs/faq/faq21.htm
> > > >
> > > > Can I get HIV from having vaginal sex?
> > > >
> > > > Yes, it is possible to become infected with HIV through vaginal
> > > > intercourse. In fact, it is the most common way the virus is
> > > > transmitted in much of the world. HIV can be found in the
blood,
> > > > semen, pre-seminal fluid, or vaginal fluid of a person infected
> > > > with the virus. The lining of the vagina can tear and possibly
> > > > allow HIV to enter the body. Direct absorption of HIV through
> > > > the mucous membranes that line the vagina also is a possibility.
> > > >
> > > > The male may be at less risk for HIV transmission than the
female
> > > > through vaginal intercourse. However, HIV can enter the body of
the
> > > > male through his urethra (the opening at the tip of the penis)
or
> > > > through small cuts or open sores on the penis.
> > >
> > > Blood pressure prevents this.
> >
> > Blood comes out of the urethra?
>
> No..it keeps the urethra tightly closed until forced open by exiting
semen.
And then after that?
Are you really trying to deny the fact that men can get AIDS from sex with
women?
J
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 00:00:04 -0700
"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
>
> Said Charlie Ebert in alt.destroy.microsoft on Wed, 16 May 2001 23:07:29
> GMT;
> >In article <3b027a4c$0$82769$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jon Johansan wrote:
> >>
> >>"Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >>> What? Are we saying that Microsoft doesn't use .dll's
> >>> in IIS? Are we saying they didn't give out instructions
> >>> to delete a certain .dll to close an illegal backdoor
> >>> they put in every IIS server in the universe?
> >>
> >>There is no illegal backdoor in IIS. And, see thirdly for something that
> >>invalidates your entire thread.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Secondly, how do you not use something anymore when it's
> >>> on the CD which install the fucking system Chad?
> >>> Do you just have to remember to delete it every time
> >>> your server craps out and you need to reinstall?
> >>
> >>See thirdly
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Thirdly, why is Microsoft shipping an OS with an illegal
> >>> .dll which allows illegal entry into your corporation
> >>> in the first place?
> >>
> >>The DLL you refer to does not contain a backdoor, only a "poorly-worded"
> >>string which does NOTHING to violate security in any way shape or form. AND
> >>this DLL is NOT included with the OS. It's NOT on the OS CD, it's NOT part
> >>of IIS. It's ONLY added to your server if you manually install the Front
> >>Page 98 server extentions (not FP97, and not FP98a or anything newer).
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Fourthly, since MS has given instructions to delete this
> >>> .dll to close the security breach, what other function
> >>> did it have to support IIS? If you took a car engine
> >>> and just arbitrarily threw away a piston it would
> >>> hurt the cars performance and or usability?
> >>
> >>The DLL you refer to is not used to support IIS. It extends some minor
> >>functionality of IIS - but has long since been obsolete and no longer used
> >>which is why it means nothing to simply delete the file if the letters in
> >>that "offensive" string, um, offend you. Cause being offended by those
> >>letters is the worse they can do for you. Reminder; no backdoor according to
> >>every security expert who's reviewed it including the guy that found the
> >>string in the first place.
> >>
> >>Starting to get it (I'll wager not)?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >You are totally incorrect on all accounts.
> >
> >MS's written recommendation IS to delete the .dll to close the illegal
> >back door.
> >
> >Fuck! MS can put it in print and you'd argue with it!
> >
> >Listen to MECA here, delete the .dll to close the illegal back door!
>
> It's pretty amazing, how extreme this is getting. Yes, there is a back
> door. Yes, it is removed by *deleting a dll*, the function of which
> appears, thereby, entirely optional and pretty much just there, I guess,
> to be a back door for Microsoft. But, hey, the lack of any coherent
> explanation other than "some engineers having some fun" *perfectly*
> explains all of this.
>
> Do I hear a 'guffaw', off in the distance somewhere?
>
No guffaw here. You do have a certain way of jiggling ones mind to
think another way.
It just occured to me,... if this is a defective dll...??? why doesn't
microsoft delete or rewrite this dll as soon as possible??
> --
> T. Max Devlin
> *** The best way to convince another is
> to state your case moderately and
> accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ed Allen)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 07:01:09 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Said Charlie Ebert in alt.destroy.microsoft on Thu, 17 May 2001 12:14:28
> [...]
>>So in essence, its not such a big deal?
>>
>>Only if you consider a hidden back door in every IIS server on the planet
>>which gives the user the capability to steal everything off the server and
>>run a muck across your intra-net no problem.
>
>One cannot "run a muck", Charlie. ROTFLMAO!
>
>Maybe it's the beer but that is SO funny! "Run a muck." What the hell
>is a muck? ROTFL AGAIN!
>
<b>muck</b>
n 1: any thick messy substance [syn: <a
href="/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=sludge">sludge</a>, <a
href="/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=slime">slime</a>, <a
href="/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=goo">goo</a>, <a
href="/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=gook">gook</a>,
<a href="/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=guck">guck</a>, <a
href="/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=gunk">gunk</a>, <a
href="/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=ooze">ooze</a>]
2: fecal matter of animals [syn: <a
href="/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=droppings">droppings</a>, <a
href="/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=dung">dung</a>]
v 1: remove muck, clear away muck, as in a mine
2: spread manure, as for fertilization [syn: <a
href="/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=manure">manure</a>]
3: soil with mud, muck, or mire; "The child mucked up his shirt
while playing ball in the garden" [syn: <a
href="/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=mire">mire</a>, <a
href="/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=mud">mud</a>, <a
href="/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=muck%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20up">muck
up</a>]
The closest I can figure is to "spread crap all over" your network.
Sounds like the MS software I have experience with.
--
Microsoft Motto: Illegal we do immediately.
Unconstitutional takes a little longer.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Linux -- The Unix defragmentation tool.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 00:01:45 -0700
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "A transfinite number of monkeys" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > On Wed, 16 May 2001 02:00:52 GMT, Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > : > Remember the I-LOVE-YOU virus?
> > :
> > : And I suppose that you have some type of miracle cure that prevents users
> > : from opening attachments with viruses?
> >
> > Well, yeah. Re-associate anything that's normally associated with the
> > Windows Scripting Host with Notepad. Nothing breaks, and even if the
> > stupid users open those attachments nothing happens.
>
> But what about the executables?
>
> > : > And when the IIS server was being attacked by worms, they recommended you
> > : > disable even more services to prevent the problem.
> > :
> > : As opposed to the Unix mentality which is "open more services!"?
> >
> > How about the Unix mentality, which is "secure your services"?
>
> Not from what I've seen. Typically, it's lock down everything but port 80
> on the firewall because nothing else can be trusted. not even DNS in most
> cases (BIND seems to always ship with the "Root Exploit" feature).
>
> > : > And when we discovered there was a new backdoor, we were again asked to
> > : > delete a particular .DLL program to eliminate the problem.
> > :
> > : Which no one uses anymore anyhow.
> >
> > If no one uses it, why did M$ keep distributing it???
>
> That's a good question. I've oft wondered that myself.
>
> -c
Aren't you one of those monkeys from the infinite number of monkeys
group??
Need a bananna??
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From: "jet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 00:00:54 -0700
Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> jet wrote:
> >
> > Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > jet wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > chrisv wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >> HMMM??? Are you claiming then that homosexual behavior is a
> > > > disease????????
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Close. He's claiming that it's the RESULT of a disease
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Or something.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kookis, don't you tire of displaying your ignorance and bad
logic to
> > > > > > the world?
> > > >
> > > > Obviously not.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > You guys STILL have yet to demonstrate that homosexuality is
> > > > > anything OTHER than defective behavior.
> > > >
> > > > Defective in what way?
> > >
> > >
> > > nonproductive
> >
> > We've got 6 billion people. Doesn't seem like much of a defect.
>
> No. That's called SUCCESS.
Exactly. Doesn't seem like homosexuality is much of a defect with success
like that.
> > Is masturbation defective behavior?
>
> There are biological advantages to it.
Is it productive?
> See "Sperm Wars" by Robin Baker.
Does Robin Baker say masturbation is productive?
J
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From: "jet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 00:01:34 -0700
GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> jet wrote:
> >
> > Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > jet wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > chrisv wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >> HMMM??? Are you claiming then that homosexual behavior is a
> > > > disease????????
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Close. He's claiming that it's the RESULT of a disease
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Or something.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kookis, don't you tire of displaying your ignorance and bad
logic to
> > > > > > the world?
> > > >
> > > > Obviously not.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > You guys STILL have yet to demonstrate that homosexuality is
> > > > > anything OTHER than defective behavior.
> > > >
> > > > Defective in what way?
> > >
> > >
> > > nonproductive
> >
> > We've got 6 billion people. Doesn't seem like much of a defect.
> >
> > Is masturbation defective behavior?
> >
> > J
>
> Nope! Just a result from a defective female!
As if men don't masturbate. LOL.
J
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From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 00:04:08 -0700
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >> >
> > L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
> > can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
Explain how this reduces spam. Don't get it.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why did Eazel shutdown?
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 00:08:00 -0700
Matthew Gardiner wrote:
>
> "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:n_RM6.362$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Matthias Warkus wrote:
> > >
> > > > It was the 16 May 2001 17:20:59 GMT...
> > > > ...and [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > >> Overhead shouldn't be much
> > > > > >> money since you don't need office space
> > > > > >> but can do everything over the Internet.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Having the people work in one place does vastly increase
> > productivity,
> > > > > > though.
> > > > >
> > > > > Actually it doesnt at all, thats one of those big lies that
> everyone
> > > > > seems to want to believe.
> > > >
> > > > It's common sense that the easiest way of communication is
> > > > to talk face-to-face. And efficiency requires communication if you
> > > > want to make anything remotely resembling a software system product.
> > > >
> > > > mawa
> > > >
> > >
> > > Geeks talk? most programmers I have meet are recluse, social impotant
> > twitts
> > > who couldn't string a sentence together to save themselves.
> >
> > You're either indulging in stereotypes or New Zealand programmers are a
> > sorry lot. <g>
> I was mainly referring to Windows programmers who think that Microsoft is
> the best company. and that they wished they could meet Bill Gates. They are
> the type of people I was describing.
>
> Matthew Gardiner
That guy lives too close to me in the summer time... he's just down the
road from me in his summer cottage. :-(
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Analysis of the Linux Report from MS
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 00:09:59 -0700
Paul Colquhoun wrote:
>
> On Fri, 18 May 2001 00:49:35 GMT, billwg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> |
> |"Ian Davey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> |news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> |>
> |> Nope, that's not how it works at all. Each application uses a GUI toolkit,
> |and
> |> will require the libraries for that toolkit. Provided you have the
> |required
> |> libraries you can run any application under any window manager. I've
> |started
> |> using KDE2.02 now, but still occasionally use BlackBox (a very minimal and
> |> fast window manager) and all Linux applications will run under either.
> |>
> |Are all the interfaces, "APIs(?)", used by the various GUIs syntactically
> |identical then? Are the differences between them cosmetic only? That just
> |doesn't seem right to me. In Windows, there are periodic additions made to
> |the GUI capabilities in the form of new controls and/or changed behaviors.
> |To take advantage of them, the source code has to change, sometimes
> |significantly. How can Linux avoid that? Windows has a "toolkit" or SDK as
> |well, but it evolves. How is it that doesn't happen with Linux?
>
> Do these additions stop old programs from working? They don't under Linux.
>
> Unix GUI's work a bit like this:
>
> 5 Application
>
> 4 GUI Toolkit/Library
>
> 3 X Window toolkit
>
> 2 X Window primitives
>
> 1 X Server
>
> Each layer calls routines from the layers below it. It is possible to skip
> layers. Only the bottom layer actually draws to the screen, reads the keyboard,
> responds to the mouse, etc.
>
> KDE, Gnome, etc live at layers 4 & 5.
>
> You can have multiple versions at layers 3 & 4, and each application will
> talk to the library/toolkit it was compiled to use.
>
> Layer 1 does not need to be on the same machine as all the other layers,
> which is why X applications can be run remotely with no special coding needed.
>
> New GUI capabilites come with new versions of the layer 3 & 4 toolkits/libraries
> and depending on the change applications may or may not need to be recompiled to
> take advantage of it.
>
> --
> Reverend Paul Colquhoun, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Universal Life Church http://andor.dropbear.id.au/~paulcol
> -=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-
> xenaphobia: The fear of being beaten to a pulp by
> a leather-clad, New Zealand woman.
Now that's the best I've ever seen it put! Very well done!
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Rather humorous posting on news.com commentry forum:
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 00:12:49 -0700
Interconnect wrote:
>
> Flacco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:iB_M6.13870$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > *cough* Many end users are lazy. This attitude leaves them without the
> > > skills to perform BASIC tasks making them appear Stupid. ( REM: A moron
> > > is a feeble minded person )
> > >
> > > BTW this also translates DIRECTLY to the Windows community, there are
> > > multitudes of ignorant Windows users out there. People are ignorant by
> > > CHOICE!
> > >
> > > If you've ever done help desk type work, you can easily spot the
> > > difference between someone who has made a modocum of effort to
> > > understand their environment, compared to the TV cabbages that whine
> > > about how *unreliable* computers are.
> > >
> > > I mean if your using a computer for day to day work and call up a Help
> > > Desk you should at least know the following terms, i.e. have a *general*
> > > understanding of what they mean when someone talks to you about them.
> > > E.g. is your operating system Win98 or 95? Is your computer networked?
> > > Is the modem internal or external?
> > >
> > > Operating System
> > > Desk Top
> > > Application
> > > Icon
> > > Network
> > > Modem
> > > Screen Resolution
> > >
> > > Give a man a fish you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish...
> >
> > Pure arrogant bullshit.
> Hmmm?? I would think more along the lines of common sense and a desire to
> help your business cut down on service costs.
>
> >There is no reason to expect a man to fish for
> > his dinner if he's a blacksmith. That's what fishermen are for.
> What we are talking about is teaching fishermen to fish! You work with your
> computer every day get to know the *BASICS* of it's operation. At least know
> what icon and desktop mean. Know what the word directory means. This is
> NOT arrogant this will SAVE your business money over the long term.
>
> Alternatively your'e saying we should have *shoelace tying experts*, or
> *comb your hair experts*. Division of Labor right? Wrong there are certain
> BASIC activities that users of certain objects should be aware of if they
> want to save money. SURE if you've got the $$ you don't have to know a thing
> just pay someone to do it for you.
>
> >
> > There is no reason for an end-user to know how his or her computer works.
> > Believe it or not, some people actually use computers to perform work
> > that is not computer-related at all. If the Linux community fails to
> > understand this and does not give the user the simplicity and
> > transparency he wants and expects, you can kiss the desktop market
> > goodbye.
> >
> > if it makes you feel superior to know this while others do not, good for
> > you - but don't pretend like you're advancing the cause of Linux while
> > you're at it.
>
> No it's like driving a car or a truck. To *USE* these objects for *WORK* you
> need to have a *BASE* understanding of how to operate them. (Emphasis on
> the *BASIC* ) I can't expect to purchase a truck or car and then ring up and
> Whine because I can't drive one?
>
> NOTE: You don't have to know how to *install* a new engine or *install* a
> new radio or *install* new brakepads etc... etc... But God dang you should
> at least know how to drive the vehicle, you should know what the steering
> wheel does, you should know what the brake pedal does, you should know what
> the tyres are for, you should know how to READ the gauges of the vehicle.
>
> I'm saying that at least learn how to drive your operating system. ( This is
> NOT limited to Linux it includes ***Windows*** users! ) You don't have to be
> a computer science MAJOR! You don't have to know how to cut code, or set up
> network clusters. But for heavens sake even Joe Bloggs the car driver knows
> the basic terminology when the steering is not right, or the engine is
> sluggish or the hand brake is not working, or the vehicle is overheating.
>
> The above applies to Windows users, not just the Linux community. It is
> specifically aimed at *end users* who are Lazy and make NO effort to
> understand the BASICS of their operating system. Sorry there are NO excuses
> for being a Lazy whining peanut.
Interesting choice of words... but I like them! :-)
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux takes Hollywood by storm!
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 00:25:39 -0700
>From ZDNET... looks like Linux has pre-empted Windows NT recently in
Hollywood.
Read the article and see for yourselves... LucasFilm ltd. has converted
mostly to Linux!
And a few other film producers as well. After all, they do want to cut
costs.
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Analysis of the Linux Report from MS
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 09:28:09 +0100
5 Application
4 GUI Toolkit/Library
3 X Window toolkit
2 X Lib
1 X Window primitives
=========================================network
0 X Server
Just a pedant point: you missed the XLib layer. Almost everything goes
through the xlib layer. I have only ever seed one program which makes
socket calls (layer 1) directly.
-Ed
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.solaris.x86,comp.unix.solaris,staroffice.com.support.install.solaris,comp.unix.advocacy,alt.os.unix,alt.unix
Subject: Re: Solaris 8 vs 7/2.x....
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 09:30:12 +0100
> However, compilation is primarily CPU-bound, and MOST of the I/O will
> be local (rereading the local system headers in /usr/include)
/usr (and even /usr/local) are not necessarily local. In the machines in
my department, the /usr partitions are remote, IIRC.
-Ed
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From: Dave Martel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 01:21:21 -0600
On Thu, 17 May 2001 23:50:45 -0700, GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Matthew Gardiner wrote:
>>
>> > HAHAHAHA!! Once in a while one has to be able to laugh at yourself. Us
>> > Yanks can laugh at ourselves a lot... and I also laugh at a lot of them
>> > as well. :-)
>> >
>> lol, nice to here someone out there will a sense of humour. The funniest
>> part was an American tourist who went up to a information desk at Auckland
>> Airport asking where the "bathroom" is, the person at desk was puzzled, then
>> she realised, 'Oh, do you mean a toilet?". What a classic. Are there any
>> yanks who can say that dreaded word "toilet" in public?
>>
>> Matthew Gardiner
>
>HAHAHA!! I always ask for the CAN myself... just to embarass anybody
>about.
>:-)
The sinks at my old college were semicircular and a bit below waist
height. A circular bar at foot level was used to turn on the water.
People coming in didn't realize that the urinals were around another
wall. So they pissed in the sink, then "flushed" by stepping on the
bar - and started looking around for a place to wash their hands.
I have to admit that it fooled me, too.
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Campaign: Microsoft Free by October 1st
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 09:42:19 +0100
>>My poor friend, you don't need a better computer, you need a better OS.
>>My Linux box (a P133/72M) can easily handel 8x writes from my CDRW and
>>that's without a reboot before hand.
>
> Well, that's why I'm preparing to get Linux together. I'm just one of
> those people who has to get a better idea about something before he
> changes. (I've just been reading everything I can find and asking
> questions for now.)
Modern
distros can give a really huge install if you're not careful (I'm
assuming you don't have much space since it is quite an old computer),
but if you buy a boxed set with a manual (well applied to RedHat
5.2, but I don't know about about 7.1, but I think its true), if you read
the manual reasonably carefully, you can do quite a minimal install.
> Even with Linux, one of the apps I wanted was Sun's Star Office (so I
> never needed MS office again) which claims a minimum requirement of a
> 233mHz processor. Are you able to run it on your machine?
Yep. It takes a bit of time to load the components, but once its loaded,
the response it pretty crisp unless you're doing a lot else in the
background. On another note, Mozilla has been improvina a lot recently
and the latest build I picked up 0.8.1 is reasnable but not great on my
computer.
> I might be
> able to, but I"m worried it might be lagged too much.
Should work OK. OpenOffice should be rather better, and there are other
office suites that I expect are smaller. BTW, if you want top notch
quality wiht minimum requirements, you should try to learn LaTeX if you
write a lot. The output quality is second to none and it will happily run
on a 386.
> And I think the main problem with my burner is it's parralel port. I
> can only get 1x for burning audio CD's. Is your's parralel, scsi,
> internal? And do you get 8x on audio CDs or just data CD's?
The parallel nature of yours might pose a problem, but I think Linux can
deal with it OK. Mine's an IDE (ATAPI) internal one. Linux (like windows
actually, but it isn't hidden from you) uses a SCSI over IDE emulation
layer to use it. I get 8x on everything.
> I'll tell you what, though. Never have I found people more willing to
> help a newbie out then in the world of linux. I'm learning a lot.
I'm glad you've got this impression
Well, good luck
-Ed
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