Linux-Advocacy Digest #215, Volume #30 Mon, 13 Nov 00 17:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: NT/2000 true multiuser? (The Great Suprendo)
Re: Of course, there is a down side... ("Bruce Schuck")
Re: RedHat BugList Summary ("Bruce Schuck")
Re: The Sixth Sense (Giuliano Colla)
Re: Mandrake, thoughts? Opinions? ("Joel Barnett")
Re: Linux Is Lame. Sorry but it is true (.)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: OS stability (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Of course, there is a down side... ("Toon Afish")
Re: The Sixth Sense (Jake Taense)
Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: NT/2000 true multiuser? (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Linux Is Lame. Sorry but it is true (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Linux + KDE2 = 8{ (Pete Goodwin)
Re: OS stability (sfcybear)
Re: Aaron R. Kulkis - Who is this guy? (Matthias Warkus)
Re: True GTK+ will eliminate Qt in next few years? (Matthias Warkus)
Re: True GTK+ will eliminate Qt in next few years? (Matthias Warkus)
Same old Linux..Nothing new here... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: The Great Suprendo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: NT/2000 true multiuser?
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 19:01:06 +0000
A certain Pete Goodwin, of comp.os.linux.advocacy "fame", writes :
>NT4 on its own does not come with WTS.
>
>Windows 2000 Professional does not come with WTS.
>
>This is correct, right?
Yes, it is correct.
Now, here's a question for you : what kind of usefulness would the
ability to serve X clients from a desktop machine have ?
--
ROAR UP MY TWAT!!!
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From: "Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 11:13:22 -0800
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:QuMP5.19789$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:AvJP5.126085$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> >> > After using Windows.Net no one will care how crash prone 9x was.
> > >
> > > Why would anyone keep doing business with the people who brought
> > > you that?
> >
> > Why do you choose an OS that allows a root exploit every few days?
> >
> > Don't you have any respect for yourself?
>
> I chose one with a much better record than anything from Redmond.
No you didn't. You chose Linux. Root exploits discovered every few days.
> You
> can make up any contrived numbers you want by including the zillion
> apps in a typical Linux distribution
Yup. The "typical Linux distribution" the average home user buys has been
sitting on the shelf for months. It's problably got 30 or 40 root exploit
fixes pending that might or might not have fixes on the RedHat site (or
whoever). Maybe 50 or 60 or 70.
So the home user buys Linux, and gets home. If he/she is lucky enough there
are drivers for some of their peripherals. Within a couple of days they
might be able to access the internet. Then if they are really lucky, they go
to the redHat site and download 30 or 40 RPM's and finally get their machine
so it can't be turned into a DDOS box via their ADSL modem.
Let's face it. The reason there are so many Linux boxes used as DDOS clients
is because Linux, out of the box, is a hackers dream!
> vs. notepad as the only app included
> with windows, and including all versions of Linux vs. Win2k, but it
> is just that: contrived. The few exploits on Linux have been fixed
> immediately
Many many root exploits. You can check if interested.
> while it is months between service pack releases;
Which collects any fixes between Sp's. But the fixes are there if you want
to apply them.
> meanwhile
> somebody knows what brokenness they fix but you don't.
Sure I do. Windows Critical Update is a service that tells me if I need to
fix something. It doesn't happen very often. But when it does, I can go to
the Microsoft site and download it.
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From: "Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: RedHat BugList Summary
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 11:14:06 -0800
"Ketil Z Malde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> >> As far as I can tell, Debian has zero security bugs for 2.2.
>
> > Security Alerts from 2000
>
> Yes, and they're all fixed, it seems.
There were so many I didn't check if there were fixes for all.
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From: Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 19:37:32 GMT
Bruce Schuck wrote:
>
> "Glitch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > > > >
> > > > > > The only reasonable tool
> > > > > > I've found to deal with remote windows is VNC installed as a
> service
> > > > > > because you can run the java client in any browser if you don't
> happen
> > > > > > to have the client loaded wherever you are.
> > > > >
> > > > > WTS has a browser-based ActiveX control client.
> > > >
> > > > I take it that is the Microsoft's pretense of portability. Just
> > > > as warped as usual.
> > >
> > > Sounds pretty portable to me. Any machine with IE on it can be used to
> > > administer a Win2K server.
> >
> > I'm assuming an admin could also use Netscape if he so wished to
> > administer a win2k server or is Netscape not included in Microsoft's Ten
> > Commandments? "Thou shall not have no other browser before IE"
>
> Why would you want to use a slow buggy piece of crap like Netscape?
Because IE is as slow as Netscape, slightly more crappy then
Netscape, slightly more buggy then Netscape, and moreover it
is absolutely and intrinsically unsafe. Didn't I LOVE YOU
teach anything?
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From: "Joel Barnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mandrake, thoughts? Opinions?
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 11:42:14 -0800
I recently bought the LM box at Wal-Mart for $25, and I love it. The
additional ~$20 vs. cheapbytes was not significant to me. I haven't looked
at the manual alot, but it seems to cover the basics, (how to
install/uninstall RPMs, setup a printer, etc).
jbarntt
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8up4gi$1j1$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I am considering Mandrake 7.2. Should I buy the full version? Or just
> get the cheapbytes version? Or should I even use Mandrake? Is the manual
> worth while?
>
> Any thoughts? Opinions?
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: Linux Is Lame. Sorry but it is true
Date: 13 Nov 2000 19:55:16 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Nov 2000 18:04:32 GMT, Pete Goodwin
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>I'm not smart because I've logged bugs on a few problems like
>>applications crashing, konqueror ftp: not working, smb: not working, is
>>that it?
> Sounds like typical Linux...
> Oh yea silly me I keep forgetting, Linux is the kernel.
The difference between you and pete is that its not HIS fault that
hes an idiot, claire.
You are an idiot because you are dishonest and lazy.
=====.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 22:26:55 +0200
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:X4NP5.19802$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> >
> > > Again, you don't have to know a "lot of commands" to use Linux.
> >
> > I don't want to refer to the man page every time I need to issue a
> command,
> > it slows productivity.
>
> Slow? You must have it confused with the windows help system. It
> isn't slow.
Slow, yes.
I'm not talking performance wise, I'm talking reading wise.
You get the point?
I can pull things out of my memory much faster than a page or a screen.
> > How hard to understand is that?
> > Therefor, I need to remember a lot of commands.
>
> It doesn't hurt to remember them, but it isn't necessary on Linux. How
> many versions and their variants can you remember at once, or do
> you insist on only working on machines that you already know?
You were the one that insisted that you don't need to learn anything to
handle computers.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Subject: Re: OS stability
Date: 13 Nov 2000 20:30:08 GMT
On Mon, 13 Nov 2000 14:46:37 GMT, sfcybear wrote:
>and you would look much less the ass if actualy contributed to the topic
>and not just throw personal insults.
>
>Now, what did your post have to do with the topic???
I have a different view as to what "contributing" means. I "contribute"
by writing free Linux software, documentation, and by helping new users
and programmers.
I don't consider adding to a glorified pissing contest to be a meaningful
or valuable exercise.
--
Donovan
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 22:29:11 +0200
"Curtis" <alliem@kas*spam*net.com> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Les Mikesell wrote...
> > > You've a *lot* to learn before you can "make it up as you go along"
> >
> > Sometimes you need to know how to read a man page. Where do
> > you find the equivalent concise, fairly complete reference for
> > everything under windows without having to wade through an
> > intermingled tutorial about all the stuff you don't want to change?
windows' help, MS' MSDN, MS' knowledge base.
Much deeper and complete than any documentation that I've seen for *nix.
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From: "Toon Afish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 15:25:16 -0500
Linux doesn't have that problem at all. Because nobody runs it on the
desktop (compared to Windows). When I see some of the apps I have to use on
Linux, I may give it a shot. Until then, I wait for MS Office, anything from
Adobe, or a few others. Without them, the OS is little more than a
curiosity.
"Clifford W. Racz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8uhk0h$kk7$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In using Windows, there is a downside... like this for example.
>
> Dealing With OS Decay: Rebuilding Your Windows System from Scratch
> http://www.zdnet.com/zdhelp/stories/main/0,5594,2531288,00.html
>
> I really don't think Linux has this problem, does it?
>
>
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Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jake Taense)
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 20:40:39 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Giuliano Colla
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Because IE is as slow as Netscape, slightly more crappy then
>Netscape, slightly more buggy then Netscape, and moreover it
>is absolutely and intrinsically unsafe. Didn't I LOVE YOU
>teach anything?
Wasn't that a virus that took advantage of a problem with OE, not IE?
I could be wrong.
But in my experience, Netscape is both slower and buggier than IE in any
version over 4.0 on either side.
Netscape also routinely crashes on my linux box.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 22:40:40 +0200
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:KFMP5.19793$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > >
> > > Does anyone run large lists on exchange?
> >
> > Yes.
> > I've seen 10,000 people list being managed by a simple vbs script,
access
> > database, and SMTP server (comes with win2k).
>
> What does that have to do with exchange? I'm talking about having
> exchange deliver a single message with 10,000 remote addresses
> by itself - fairly often. Sendmail can do that although it appreciates
> having a front end chunk the list up first so some deliveries will run
> in parallel.
SMTP Server is a SMTP server that comes with IIS.
If it can handle this, I assume exchange can too.
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: NT/2000 true multiuser?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 21:10:21 +0000
The Great Suprendo wrote:
> A certain Pete Goodwin, of comp.os.linux.advocacy "fame", writes :
> >NT4 on its own does not come with WTS.
> >
> >Windows 2000 Professional does not come with WTS.
> >
> >This is correct, right?
>
> Yes, it is correct.
Thank you for clarifying that.
> Now, here's a question for you : what kind of usefulness would the
> ability to serve X clients from a desktop machine have ?
If you're just doing terminal style stuff, Telnet is good enough.
If you're running a word processor that needs a GUI, then an X server on a
client machine is very useful.
Can WTS let me run Word 2000 on a Windows 2000 Server but actually display
on a Windows 98 SE client?
That's the best example I can think of.
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Is Lame. Sorry but it is true
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 21:12:08 +0000
. wrote:
> The difference between you and pete is that its not HIS fault that
> hes an idiot, claire.
>
> You are an idiot because you are dishonest and lazy.
Ah yes, words of wisdom from a known moron on this group.
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux + KDE2 = 8{
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 21:15:08 +0000
Jim Broughton wrote:
> Really very interesting. I do not have named running on my personal box
> yet kde2 runs just fine. What is in your /etc/hosts and /etc/resolv.conf
> files. What does the ifconfig command return. Likewise the route command.
> Im running slackware 7.1 and yes I compiled my kde2.
> IMHO its still too buggy for everyday use so I stick with 1.1.2. but
> still
> pine for some of the features of 2.0 (better file manager etc. etc.)
> I will probably go back to it when they get the sound system and the
> archiver
> program functional ( I cant get sound to work at all and the archiver
> locks up on bz2 archives and has taken the machine down with it.)
What I have running is what Mandrake 7.2 installed for me.
What is in /etc/hosts is what I put there. Two nodes and localhost. The two
nodes are the two machines I have.
What is in /etc/resolv.conf appears to be my domain (which I entered) and
the name servers from my ISP (which really shouldn't be there for a dialup
entry).
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OS stability
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 21:10:35 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi) wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Nov 2000 14:46:37 GMT, sfcybear wrote:
>
> >and you would look much less the ass if actualy contributed to the
topic
> >and not just throw personal insults.
> >
> >Now, what did your post have to do with the topic???
>
> I have a different view as to what "contributing" means. I
"contribute"
> by writing free Linux software, documentation, and by helping new
users
> and programmers.
>
> I don't consider adding to a glorified pissing contest to be a
meaningful
> or valuable exercise.
then why did you do it?????
>
> --
> Donovan
>
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: Aaron R. Kulkis - Who is this guy?
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 20:08:14 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Sun, 12 Nov 2000 15:52:09 GMT...
...and A transfinite number of monkeys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Nov 2000 02:58:11 -0500, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : My mistake
> :
> : 15 credit hours of calculus.
> : 5 credit hours of differential equations
> : (best summed up as calculus by ESP)
>
> What on earth are you blithering about? The term "differential calculus"
> is used to describe the process of taking derivatives of functions in the
> real and/or complex fields. Likewise, the process of integration is
> referred to as "integral calculus". You spent 5 hours of time learning
> how to take derivatives??? Perhaps you mean real analysis? Or maybe
> vector calculus?
First off, he was talking about differential equations and not just
derivatives.
Furthermore, it is easy to spend hours and hours learning how to
differentiate and integrate if you're not just learning the theory,
but really practising the damned stuff. Trust me. I'm doing a lot of
substitution and product integration at the moment, and because I'm a
notoriously lazy pupil, I don't work nearly enough on it. I understand
it all. But still it's damn hard to get it all right if one hasn't
*practised*.
mawa
--
Use protection.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: True GTK+ will eliminate Qt in next few years?
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 20:18:09 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Sun, 12 Nov 2000 17:29:06 -0600...
...and Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There is a C++ wrapper for GTK+ called GTK--, but so far it hasn't seemed to
> gain much acceptance.
That's because it's been moving too fast to be adopted; the API kept
changing all the time as more and more GNOME features were
encapsulated using the proper C++ mimics. At the beginning, Gtk-- and
Gnome-- were hardly more than a wrapper that turned GTK objects into
classes. Now it does namespaces, inheritance, it has libsig++ which
wraps signals cleanly, it does overloading etc.
Alas, soon Gtk--/Gnome-- will move again as the GNOME 2.0 platform is
introduced. Hopefully then it'll be at some kind of final point.
mawa
--
explanolution, n.:
The pseudo-scientific contortions that culty science-fiction shows
must go through to explain why all the alien races look the same,
the real reason being the show had a low budget in the sixties.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: True GTK+ will eliminate Qt in next few years?
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 20:18:47 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the 13 Nov 2000 00:09:55 +0100...
...and Paul Seelig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But above all, users as well as programmers have won, because the
> silly flamewars regarding Qt/GTK+ have become obsolete with Qt's
> GPL'ization. It's not the toolkit, man, it's the *apps*!
>
> And both Qt-based KDE1.x/2.x and GTK+-based GNOME seem to be quite
> popular and healthsome among users/programmers. I guess this looks
> luckily more like a double win-win situation for *both* toolkits.
I couldn't agree more.
mawa
--
Face it, Bill Gates is a Persian cat and a monocle away from being
a villain in a James Bond movie.
-- Dennis Miller
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Same old Linux..Nothing new here...
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 21:22:26 GMT
Well my Mandrake 7.2 CD hasn't arrived yet, but taking a look at the
Mandrake group is anything but encouraginging. Users are complaining
about the same old library dependency problems, modems not working, CD
images corrupt, fonts, Netscape and so forth. Here's a real beauty.
Can't you Linux nuts get a wheel mouse working properly under your
half aborted "operating system". Just look at the hell that this poor
soul is going through to get a wheel mouse to work. Oh yea, I left all
the headers in so you net cops don't claim I am making it all up, like
you seem to like to do when things aren't going your way.
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In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Jim Pierce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I just installed Mandrake 7.2. Imwheel is running and it works in
> Konqueror, Kedit, etc., but will not work in Netscape. Imwheel worked
> fine in Netscape with Mandrake 7.1. What gives? Any ideas on this
> one? Thanks in advance.
>
I'm sorry I don't have a solution to the problem. I just wanted to
mention that half the time my wheel works in Netscape and half the
time
it doesn't. I haven't figured out a pattern yet, but if I do I will be
sure to post it (and hopefully a solution too).
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In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Jim Pierce"
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> I just installed Mandrake 7.2. Imwheel is running and it works in
> Konqueror, Kedit, etc., but will not work in Netscape. Imwheel worked
> fine in Netscape with Mandrake 7.1. What gives? Any ideas on this one?
> Thanks in advance.
My wheel mouse is working in Mandrake 7.2 with Xfree 4.0 and Im not
running imwheel. I installed this
****THIS ONE IS MY FAVORITE....WHAT ARE THE ODDS THIS GUY WILL NOT
*****MAKE A TYPO AND RENDER HIS SYSTEM X_LESS?********
Add to your ~/.Xdefaults:
!## NETSCAPE
Netscape*drawingArea.translations: #replace \
<Btn1Down>: ArmLink() \n\
<Btn2Down>: ArmLink() \n\
~Shift<Btn1Up>: ActivateLink() \n\
~Shift<Btn2Up>: ActivateLink(new-window) \
DisarmLink() \n\
Shift<Btn1Up>: ActivateLink(save-only) \
DisarmLink() \n\
Shift<Btn2Up>: ActivateLink(save-only) \
DisarmLink() \n\
<Btn1Motion>: DisarmLinkIfMoved() \n\
<Btn2Motion>: DisarmLinkIfMoved() \n\
<Btn3Motion>: DisarmLinkIfMoved() \n\
<Motion>: DescribeLink() \n\
<Btn3Down>: xfeDoPopup() \n\
<Btn3Up>: ActivatePopup() \n\
Ctrl<Btn4Down>: PageUp()\n\
Ctrl<Btn5Down>: PageDown()\n\
Shift<Btn4Down>: LineUp()\n\
Shift<Btn5Down>: LineDown()\n\
None<Btn4Down>:
LineUp()LineUp()LineUp()LineUp()LineUp()LineUp()\n\
None<Btn5Down>:
LineDown()LineDown()LineDown()LineDown()LineDown()LineDown()\n\
Alt<Btn4Down>: xfeDoCommand(forward)\n\
Alt<Btn5Down>: xfeDoCommand(back)\n
Netscape*globalNonTextTranslations: #override\n\
Shift<Btn4Down>: LineUp()\n\
Shift<Btn5Down>: LineDown()\n\
None<Btn4Down>:LineUp()LineUp()LineUp()LineUp()LineUp()LineUp()\n\
None<Btn5Down>:LineDown()LineDown()LineDown()LineDown()LineDown()LineDown()\n\
Alt<Btn4Down>: xfeDoCommand(forward)\n\
Alt<Btn5Down>: xfeDoCommand(back)\n
Now the only kicker is that if your numlock key is on, your scrolling
wont work in netscape.
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Jim Pierce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I just installed Mandrake 7.2. Imwheel is running and it works
> in Konqueror, Kedit, etc., but will not work in Netscape.
> Imwheel worked fine in Netscape with Mandrake 7.1. What gives?
> Any ideas on this one? Thanks in advance.
Are you sure that your imwheel is actually running?
It could be that you only think it is, as imwheel isn't (AFAIK)
needed for KDE2 apps or Gnome apps, since mousewheel support is
now "built in" since LM7.1.
Also, in LM7.1, the imwheel PID file was created in /tmp in such
a way so that only root could actually use imwheel: it would
simply not start (not being able to write to the PID file) for
all other users. The solution was to make the PID file world
readable and writeable.
However, imwheel seems even *less* stable under LM7.2 than it was
under 7.1, which is a shame for me since the apps I use most are:
Emacs, FrameMaker, and Mozilla, all of which *don't* grok the
"built in" mousewheel support in the LM distro...
--
Viktor Haag Senior Technical Writer, RIM
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