Linux-Advocacy Digest #694, Volume #30 Wed, 6 Dec 00 19:13:05 EST
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Attention NYC Shoppers & Visitors - Beware of Rip-off SY Stores!!! ......
tkUHpgtlpo4m ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks. (David Dorward)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks. (kiwiunixman)
Re: Linux growth rate explosion! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: MSN and AOL-Time Warner: Is Microsoft being hypocritical? (kiwiunixman)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Attention NYC Shoppers & Visitors - Beware of Rip-off SY Stores!!! ......
tkUHpgtlpo4m
Date: 6 Dec 2000 23:37:09 GMT
SY stores have been around for about 50 years or so and have only one
objective - TO RIP YOU OFF!
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They are a constant source of frustration for the NYC Department of
Consumer Affairs, which has been trying to close them down for as long as
I can remember. SY's are the most ruthless merchants in New York. I should
know, I once worked as a stock clerk for one of them.
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The term "SY" refers to the ethnicity of the shopkeepers. They come from a
small and isolated region of Syria, where for centuries a cult of swindlers
has flourished. Approximately 60 years ago, they started to emigrate to the
U.S. and setup shop along Broadway at Times Square and later moved to some of
the less desirable locations along 5th Avenue.
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Not surprisingly, SY stores are usually found in areas frequented by tourists.
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You can always spot an SY store by the odd assortment of merchandise.
Radios, cameras and other assorted electronics on one side of the shop and
on the other; jade, ivory carvings, tablecloths, porcelain figurines,
oriental carpets, etc.
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SY stores are singular in their objective... To extract as much money from
the customer as possible, *buy virtually any means at all*. There is no set
price in an SY store. The salesman keeps 1/3 to 1/2 of the profit on everything
he sells (which is a strong incentive to overcharge) and overcharge he will!
It is not unusual for these merchants to charge upwards of 500 - 1000% profit
on an item, while leading you to believe that you're actually getting a bargain
(which is the cornerstone of their craft).
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These merchants are masters of deception and one should not try to match wits
with them. This is their lifelong profession... they've been doing it for
generations and most Americans are simply out of their league when it come to
trickery, deceit and high-pressure sales tactics.
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A couple of things that might clue you in to the fact that you may stumbled into
an SY store:
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If the staff speaks to one another in code words or in a language that you
don't recognize... if the words "Lot" or "C-Line" are used frequently in
reference to a specific item... if the price tag is marked with a price that
is demonstrably higher then it's being offered to you for, then chances are
your in an SY store.
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JUST LEAVE! It will be the best decision you made this holiday season and
both you and your checkbook (as well as your pride) will be all the better
for it.
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Merry Christmas!
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 19:03:44 -0500
Tom Wilson wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Tom Wilson wrote:
> > >
> > > "kiwiunixman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Tom Wilson wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> The trick is to filter out the dramatics. Personally, I can
> tolerate
> > > him for
> > > > >> no longer than five minutes at a stretch. Then, I have to get up
> and
> > > pop an
> > > > >> old VanHalen disc into the CD. Nothing helps you churn out code
> like
> > > classic
> > > > >> VH! Devo and Rush (The band, that is) are good too. Oh yeah, A
> Bunn
> > > loaded
> > > > >> with fresh Kona coffee...gotta have that!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm getting old and soft (except for soccer time!), so I'm more into
> > > > > new agey type music, preferably lots of rhythm'n'percussion, for
> coding.
> > > > > I don't listen to Devo much anymore, though they are one of my
> > > > > favorites. Smart patrol! No where to go! Suburban robots that
> monitor
> > > > > reality! Common stock! We work around the clock! We shove the
> poles
> > > > > in the holes! Shove it!
> > > >
> > > > I prefer 1960-70s Soul, Fuck (with the extremely heavy bass), Electric
> > > > Light Orchestra, The Eagles, Little River Band, Barry White, Issac
> Hayes
> > > > (the guy who sang the theme to Shaft), Beatles, Queen and lots of
> other
> > > > "classics". I cannot stand the modern day five boy/girl, talent less,
> > > > commercially driven groups that would not be able to play and
> instrument
> > > > to save themselves groups, and for the record, I play the piano, so I
> do
> > > > have knowledge in the area of playing instruments.
> > >
> > > I like your set list!
> > >
> > > One of the reasons I get nostalgic for VH is the boy/girl band thing.
> > > Remember the late seventies? Disco and a lot of the teen idol garbage.
> And,
> > > out of nowhere, you tuned in and heard Eruption/You Really Got Me! It
> was
> > > like they were playing taps for KC and the Sunshine Band and the
> Osmonds.
> > > Loved it! I play a little guitar too so the VH connection was a given.
> >
> > I preferred the punk/alternative scene myself.
> >
> > Metal bands just seem...over reactionary.
>
> A lot of them were. Megadeth and Metallica come to mind. Oedepus complexes
> meet ESP guitars.
>
> As for the punk scene, DK and Butthole Sufers were pretty good. Jello
> Biafra's side project, Lard, has its' moments too. Particularly with "Does
> God fill teeth ?"
>
> Alternative was refreshing since the hair bands had pretty much run their
> course and became a sort of self parody.
>
> Hell, I like late 60's / early 70's country too. My set lists make a lot of
> people uneasy <g>
Yeah..country went doooooooooownhilll about 1973 or so.
I really like early rock... 1954-70.
>
> --
> Tom Wilson
> Registered Linux User #194021
> http://counter.li.org
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: David Dorward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks.
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 00:03:00 +0000
Kyle Jacobs wrote:
> And another one sees the light.
The light of Microsoft? It is a flamethrower.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 19:04:24 -0500
Tom Wilson wrote:
>
> "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:hdvX5.839$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:I0tX5.5092$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:EQlX5.5$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:iKaX5.683$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:PS0X5.1752$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
> > message
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > >
> > > > > > No, actually, it's part of the C2 security requirements. You need
> a
> > > way
> > > > > to
> > > > > > initiate a login which cannot be masked by a user mode program.
> On
> > a
> > > > > > typical unix or Linux machine, you need only run a 10 line program
> > > that
> > > > > > clears the screen and prints login: to steal peoples passwords.
> > > That's
> > > > > not
> > > > > > possible under NT if you don't have administrator privs.
> > > > >
> > > > > Say what!?
> > > >
> > > > From the TCSEC orange book manual:
> > > >
> > > > "The TCB shall support a trusted communication path between
> > > > itself and users for use when a positive TCB-to-user
> connection
> > > is
> > > > required (e.g., login, change subject security level).
> > > > Communications via this trusted path shall be activated
> > > exclusively
> > > > by a user or the TCB and shall be logically isolated and
> > > > unmistakably
> > > > distinguishable from other paths."
> > > >
> > > > In other words, you must have a way to login that you cannot simulate
> > with
> > > a
> > > > user program.
> > > >
> > > > Under NT, a user program cannot capture C-A-D, thus any program (such
> as
> > > the
> > > > login) that does react to C-A-D can be reasonbly trusted to have been
> > > > installed by someone with administrator privs.
> > >
> > > I'm sure a little hacking would undo that. I was questioning the "That's
> > not
> > > possible" quote. The second I hear that statements like that in regards
> > to
> > > security, I have to disregard them. There are skinny and dateless pencil
> > > necks out there who, i'm sure, can blow right by it. Never say never.
> >
> > I said "not possible unless you have admin privs". Which is true. You
> need
> > to get admin privs in order to install a trojan that could do this.
>
> Are we talking about a false dialog being left on the server console or a
> workstation or are we talking about physically pre-empting the logiin
> sequence with a trojan?
Oooooooops, Funkendolt never even considered the first possibility.
>
> --
> Tom Wilson
> Registered Linux User #194021
> http://counter.li.org
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks.
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 00:05:43 GMT
who rattled your chain?
kiwiunixman
Kyle Jacobs wrote:
> And another one sees the light.
>
> "Swango" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>> Windows 2000 rocks and Linux is a sluggard if ever there was one. I
>> tried Redhat and took the server install option and it promptly wiped
>> out my entire hard disk. Fortunately I had a backup but what if I
>> didn't?
>>
>> Even after that Rocky Horror Show, using Linux is like moving back in
>> time about 10 years in the computer world. My scanner, printer, and
>> USB camera don't work. My Cdrw gives errors all the time although it
>> seems to burn fine. My cordless mouse doesn't work properly and I find
>> kde to be sluggish even on a 600 mhz system with 256 megabites of
>> memory.
>>
>> Windows 2000 is so much better and from what I have seen Whistler is
>> going to be even better than Windows 2000.
>>
>> To it's credit, at least Linux didn't ruin any of my hardware, quite
>> possibly because it doesn't support any of my hardware.
>>
>> Back to Windows for me and maybe I will look at Linux sometime down
>> the road, but for now it's a coaster.
>>
>> I can see why Linux is free, because they would never get out of court
>> if they charged people for this tripe.
>>
>> Swango
>> "It Don't Mean a Thang if it Ain't Got That Swang"
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux growth rate explosion!
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 19:07:41 -0500
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> COMP.LANG.JAVA.ADVOCACY removed by request
>
> "Steve Mading" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:90k07s$ge2$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In comp.os.linux.advocacy Matt Kennel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > : On 5 Dec 2000 00:27:56 GMT, Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > : :In comp.os.linux.advocacy Ayende Rahien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > : :
> > : :Not really. How does one temporarily "su" to Administrator just
> > : :to run one GUI app, and then get out, without logging all the way
> > : :out and back in?
> > :
> > : ----------------------------------------
> > : | |
> > : | This program requires 'root' |
> > : | privileges, and may be dangerous |
> > : | if you do something unwise. |
> > : | |
> > : | Type in the root password here |
> > : | to proceed: ________________ |
> > : | |
> > : | | OK | | Cancel| |
> > : ----------------------------------------
> >
> > Interesting, you try to refute my point about Windows NT not having
> > such a thing by showing me an example of UNIX having such a
> > thing. (Note the use of the word "root". I've seen these types
> > of dialogs on UNIX machines many times. When do they happen on
> > NT?)
>
> Windows2000 has the runas command which is operable from both the
> command line:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> RUNAS USAGE:
>
> RUNAS [/profile] [/env] [/netonly] /user:<UserName> program
>
> /profile if the user's profile needs to be loaded
> /env to use current environment instead of user's.
> /netonly use if the credentials specified are for remote access only.
> /user <UserName> should be in form USER@DOMAIN or DOMAIN\USER
> program command line for EXE. See below for examples
>
> Examples:
> > runas /profile /user:mymachine\administrator cmd
> > runas /profile /env /user:mydomain\admin "mmc %windir%\system32\dsa.msc"
> > runas /env /user:[EMAIL PROTECTED] "notepad \"my file.txt\""
>
> NOTE: Enter user's password only when prompted.
> NOTE: USER@DOMAIN is not compatible with /netonly.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>
Once again, LoseDOS is about 15 YEARS BEHIND UNIX.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MSN and AOL-Time Warner: Is Microsoft being hypocritical?
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 00:07:42 GMT
Microsoft has the cash, why don't they setup a wireless broadband service?
kiwiunixman
jtnews wrote:
> Isn't it hypocritical for Microsoft to complain about getting
> shut out of AOL-Time Warner's broadband network when they
> effectively shut out Linux on all the cheapest PC's?
>
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