Linux-Advocacy Digest #702, Volume #30            Thu, 7 Dec 00 00:13:03 EST

Contents:
  Re: Need Advice ("Bracy")
  Re: MSN and AOL-Time Warner: Is Microsoft being hypocritical? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: Blurry Fonts: Is there a solution? ("Les Mikesell")
  Re: Blurry Fonts: Is there a solution? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: Blurry Fonts: Is there a solution? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks. ("Les Mikesell")
  Re: Linux growth rate explosion! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: Linux growth rate explosion! (Mike Byrns)
  Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: Red hat becoming illegal? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: Red hat becoming illegal? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: Linux growth rate explosion! ("Kelsey Bjarnason")
  Re: Red hat becoming illegal? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: Linux is awful ("Kelsey Bjarnason")

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From: "Bracy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Need Advice
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 03:57:37 GMT

In article <90lj7u$8i0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi guys. I'm new here and I am becoming interested in Linux. So far I
> have only really used Windows. It's not bad, but still I would like to
> try another OS, and Linux seems like a good place to start. Do you have
> any advice to a tenderfoot trying to get started. You don't have to tell
> me that it's not going to be easy . . . I already know that. but any
> advice as to how to get started would be a big help. Thanks in advance.
> 
> 
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

You didn't mention if you are replacing Windows, or whether you plan to
run a dual-boot setup.  Personally, I recommend that newbies install
a dual-boot setup, so that you can learn Linux at your leisure, without
feeling like you have to get everything set up correctly right away.

Secondly, I recommend Linux-Mandrake 7.2.  Mandrake is the most
newbie-friendly distro I've seen, and is very current.  Mandrake has
put a great deal of effort into making it one of the easiest
installations out there.  In fact, you might be very surprised at just
how simple a Linux installation can be.

Bracy

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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: misc.invest.stocks,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: MSN and AOL-Time Warner: Is Microsoft being hypocritical?
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 23:15:13 -0500

sfcybear wrote:
> 
> I think it is a bit hypocritical of MS to whine about anyone else being
> a monopoly. But I do not think MS has shut Linux out. Linux will

The question is not whether MS did shut Linux out or any other O/S out...
but whether they attempted to do so or not.

The latter is illegal...the former is successfully doing something
illegal.


> continue to grow. It will hit a point were it will reach the stores on
> the cheapest PC's and the Linux PC's will be at least $50 cheaper than a
> comperable W2K PC do the the MS tax.
> 
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>   jtnews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Isn't it hypocritical for Microsoft to complain about getting
> > shut out of AOL-Time Warner's broadband network when they
> > effectively shut out Linux on all the cheapest PC's?
> >
> > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----
> > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!
> > -----==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----
> >
> 
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Blurry Fonts: Is there a solution?
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 04:15:58 GMT


"tom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:90mi23$4nq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> The worst thing I have against Linux is that after working in it for
> awhile and definitely after trying to read anything, I come away almost
> cross-eyed because the fonts are just a little off, even after
> importing the windoze fonts and trying them.  It's rather ironic that
> I'm trying to read the special pdf edition of Running Linux that comes
> with Mandrake, but I have to read it under Windows because of the font
> thing.  It'd be nice if I could read it under Linux and try some of the
> things it covers as I come across them.

I don't understand problems reading pdf files.  Xpdf and gv do antialiasing
and should look at least as good as anything on windows.

> Netscape is also horrible, but I don't know if it's Netscape or the
> font thing again.  I've added the lines to the startup file that gets
> Netscape to use a little large fonts; I still can't adjust the size.

Just go to edit/preferences and change them.  The real problem is
that most web pages specify fonts that you don't have and the
substitutions look bad.

> Does this sound like a hardware issue?   (Mandrake 7.1, P266, Leadtek
> Winfast 2300 video card w/8M ram) My card was listed in the setup
> lists, so I assume it's using the correct driver.

No, Microsoft and Apple put a lot of effort into making fonts look good
on cheap monitors.   X wants lots of real pixels.   However, I think the
default configuration looks a lot better on Mandrake 7.2.  If you have
a dual boot configuration you might want to tell it to grab the windows
fonts too.

      Les Mikesell
        [EMAIL PROTECTED]




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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Blurry Fonts: Is there a solution?
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 23:19:23 -0500

tom wrote:
> 
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>   "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Does this sound like a hardware issue?   (Mandrake 7.1, P266,
> Leadtek
> >
> > Yes.  I've never had such problems.  ...always been sharp.
> >
> > Matrox Millenium (circa 1996), and Riva TNT
> >
> > Both running at 1600x1200 on a Panasonic E21.
> 
> Don't take this as a Linux slam, but things are fine under Windows.  I
> don't know what Linux is doing differently.  Perhaps a different
> resolution (currently 800x600) or Window manager?

what part of "always been sharp" do you not understand?


> 
> Tom
> 
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sucks
Subject: Re: Blurry Fonts: Is there a solution?
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 23:20:06 -0500

Swango wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 06 Dec 2000 20:02:07 -0500, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >Yes.  I've never had such problems.  ...always been sharp.
> >
> >Matrox Millenium (circa 1996), and Riva TNT
> >
> >Both running at 1600x1200 on a Panasonic E21.
> 
> Better tell all of those people running "How To Make Your Fonts
> Readable Under Linux" web pages that they can shut them down.
> 
> Your probably so blind, from another act, that you couldn't tell one
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Spot the idiocy.

> way or the other.
> 
> Swango
> "It Don't Mean a Thang if it Ain't Got That Swang"


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks.
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 04:21:59 GMT


"Swango" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Windows 3.1?
>
> Like I said, do you have running water where you come from?
>
> Swango
>

If you are so modern, why didn't you load the current RH or Mandrake
with USB support instead of complaining about an old copy?

    Les Mikesell
       [EMAIL PROTECTED]




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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux growth rate explosion!
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 23:22:49 -0500

Les Mikesell wrote:
> 
> "Kelsey Bjarnason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:yyCX5.5940$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > RUNAS USAGE:
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Once again, LoseDOS is about 15 YEARS BEHIND UNIX.
> >
> > So, your position is, basically, that if Windows lacks something, it
> sucks,
> > and if it gets that thing, it sucks for getting it too late.  By this
> > reasoning, even if Windows adopted _all_ the supposed benefits of Linux -
> > open source, more solid security, increased configurability, whatever - it
> > would still suck, despite having effectively the same functionality.  Does
> > that about sum it up?
> 
> It would stop sucking if it had text files controlling all configurations so
> you could use revision control systems on them, diff two different ones,
> generate patches for automatic updates and the like, and if it could compile
> and run most open-source and home-grown software developed over the
> thirty-year history of unix systems.   If OS-X pulls this off with a nice
> GUI on top, why can't windows?


Because OS-X was written by people with a decent education with the
people, whereas LoseDOS was written by a bunch of high school
hacks who think that "goto" is an sophisticated programming construct.


> 
>          Les Mikesell
>            [EMAIL PROTECTED]


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

From: Mike Byrns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux growth rate explosion!
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 04:23:32 GMT

Les Mikesell wrote:

> "Kelsey Bjarnason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:yyCX5.5940$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > RUNAS USAGE:
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Once again, LoseDOS is about 15 YEARS BEHIND UNIX.
> >
> > So, your position is, basically, that if Windows lacks something, it
> sucks,
> > and if it gets that thing, it sucks for getting it too late.  By this
> > reasoning, even if Windows adopted _all_ the supposed benefits of Linux -
> > open source, more solid security, increased configurability, whatever - it
> > would still suck, despite having effectively the same functionality.  Does
> > that about sum it up?
>
> It would stop sucking if it had text files controlling all configurations so
> you could use revision control systems on them,

Export the registry node you are interested in.

> diff two different ones,
> generate patches for automatic updates and the like,

Double click the .reg file for automatic update.

> and if it could compile
> and run most open-source and home-grown software developed over the
> thirty-year history of unix systems.

When there are more user friendly Windows programs that do all the same things?

>   If OS-X pulls this off with a nice
> GUI on top, why can't windows?

Microsoft certainly could.  If they wanted to or really thought that anyone
wanted them to.  Truth is UNIX is hard to use.  X is clunky and the
johnny-come-lately Windows UI ripoffs just aren't nearly as good as Windows.



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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 23:27:07 -0500

Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:
> 
> [snips]
> 
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:
> 
> > > > up to 63,000 bugs in win2k
> > >
> > > 63,000 bugs?  Got a cite for that?
> >
> > It came direct from a Microsoft kernel programmer.
> 
> Really?  What was his name?

Kelsey Bjarnason.

>  Where's the copy of the posting where he said
> this?  Did he actually say "bugs", or did he say "issues"?

"issues" is even worse...because 10 issues usually turns
out to be MORE than 10 bugs.

> 
> You're missing a few points on credibility.  Sort of like me saying I have a
> contract here that says you owe me a million dollars, in U.S. funds, so pay
> up - unless I can provide something more substantial than sheer assertion
> that it "is too!" I can hardly expect to collect - just as your failure to
> provide details hardly gives you reason to expect to be taken seriously.


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 23:30:42 -0500

Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> 
> Charlie Ebert wrote:
> >
> >
> > And I agree with your comments.  The Democrats haven't supported
> > the middle class in 20 or more years.
> >
> > We have become a nation of extremist parties.
> > You are either extreme rightwing or your extreme leftwing and
> > the middle ground where most of us stand is not being represented.
> >
> > This in itself is an extremely dangerous thing.
> 
> Ya damn liberal!  <grin>
> 
> "Liberal" now is as bad as "Commie" used to be!  What a world!

Because the people who usurped the word Liberal all subscribe to
a belief system based on the Communist-Manifesto.


> 
> --
> Are you sure you want to read this message?
> Click Okay to continue, and Cancel to okay
> this dialog.


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 23:32:58 -0500

Tom Wilson wrote:
> 
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Tom Wilson wrote:
> > >
> > > "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:t8NW5.11238$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > >
> > > > "Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > Charlie Ebert wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And I agree with your comments.  The Democrats haven't supported
> > > > > > the middle class in 20 or more years.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We have become a nation of extremist parties.
> > > > > > You are either extreme rightwing or your extreme leftwing and
> > > > > > the middle ground where most of us stand is not being represented.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This in itself is an extremely dangerous thing.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ya damn liberal!  <grin>
> > > > >
> > > > > "Liberal" now is as bad as "Commie" used to be!  What a world!
> > > >
> > > > When you get down to it, what's the difference between them, other
> > > > than the spelling?
> > >
> > > Actually, liberals are more socialist than communist. But, let's no
> split
> > > hairs, eh?
> >
> > Communism ***IS**** Socialism.
> 
> With a key difference:
> 
> so·cial·ism  n. 1.a. A social system in which the means of producing and
> distributing goods are owned collectively and political power is exercised
> by the whole community. b. The theory or practice of those who support such
> a social system. 2. The building of the material base for communism under
> the dictatorship of the proletariat in Marxist-Leninist theory.
> 
> com·mu·nism  n. 1. A theoretical economic system characterized by the
> collective ownership of property and by the organization of labor for the
> common advantage of all members. 2. Communism.a. A system of government in
> which the state plans and controls the economy and a single, often
> authoritarian party holds power, claiming to make progress toward a higher
> social order in which all goods are equally shared by the people. b. The
> Marxist-Leninist version of Communist doctrine that advocates the overthrow
> of capitalism by the revolution of the proletariat.
> 
> Socialism is anarchy as practiced by flower-children.
> 
> Communism is socialism under a single, authoritarian rule.
> 


The only difference between Socialists and overt-Communists is that
the Communists are honest enough to admit that the only way to fully
implement socialism is to install a police state AND black-mail
everybody into conforming by over-taxation so that the people
have to BEG the government to get back their own money.



> Note: I said LIBERALS are socialists....Add the Democratic Party and what do
> you get????

American Communism.


> 
> --
>  Tom Wilson
>     A Computer Programmer who wishes he'd chosen another vocation.
> 

-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

From: "Kelsey Bjarnason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux growth rate explosion!
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 04:32:12 GMT

[snips]

"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:K8DX5.37669$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Kelsey Bjarnason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:yyCX5.5940$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...

> > So, your position is, basically, that if Windows lacks something, it
> sucks,
> > and if it gets that thing, it sucks for getting it too late.  By this
> > reasoning, even if Windows adopted _all_ the supposed benefits of
Linux -
> > open source, more solid security, increased configurability, whatever -
it
> > would still suck, despite having effectively the same functionality.
Does
> > that about sum it up?
>
> It would stop sucking if it had text files controlling all configurations
so
> you could use revision control systems on them, diff two different ones,
> generate patches for automatic updates and the like, and if it could
compile
> and run most open-source and home-grown software developed over the
> thirty-year history of unix systems.   If OS-X pulls this off with a nice
> GUI on top, why can't windows?

Well, those may be issues, but they'd be subsumed into the larger-scale
question I asked - note the highlighted word "all".  However, I notice that
Aaron hasn't actually given either a yes or a no on this question, despite
being involved in the thread past this point.





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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 23:37:37 -0500

Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> 
> Chad Myers wrote:
> >
> > "Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >
> > > "Liberal" now is as bad as "Commie" used to be!  What a world!
> >
> > When you get down to it, what's the difference between them, other
> > than the spelling?
> 
> You might want to talk to some older people who were active and
> vigorous during the Cold War.  Even more to the point, check out
> the history of the Russian Revolution.  I don't think you'll find
> "liberals" killing off a few million of their fellow countrymen.
> And I think "liberals" back then kept a very low profile, in order
> to avoid losing their heads.

As I recall, Lenin and his gang went around yelling slogans like:
        "XLEB!" ("Bread!") and
        "MIR!" ("Peace!")

I don't recall Lenin and his gang going around yelling:
        "Help build A Police State for Russia!"
        "Executions for all who disagree with us"

Yet, that's exactly what they 'gave' to Russia"


> 
> Chris


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

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From: "Kelsey Bjarnason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 04:36:25 GMT

[snips]

"kiwiunixman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ayende, by Microsoft definition, Windows ME (Moron Edition) is meant to
> be adequate for the home user, WTF!, it's shit, fuck it's worse than
> Windows 3.11!

Is it?  Let's compare.

My scanner, drives, display adapter, webcam and soundcard lack Win311
drivers, so I wouldn't be able to use them with it; this would be an
advantage of ME over 311.  ME supports better, albeit far from perfect,
memory management and tasking.  This is an advantage over 311.  ME has a
TCP/IP driver included (311 didn't include that, did it?); this is an
advantage over 311.  ME has a more flexible way of managing files, folders
and shortcuts than 31; another benefit.  ME supports long file names;
another benefit over 31.

So, in what ways is ME worse than 311?





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