Linux-Advocacy Digest #720, Volume #30 Thu, 7 Dec 00 19:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: Blurry Fonts: Is there a solution? (tom)
Re: Red Hat drops Sparc support with new Linux version ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux is awful ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux Is Lame. Sorry but it is true ("Barry Walker")
Re: Blurry Fonts: Is there a solution? (Matthias Warkus)
Re: What if Linux wasn't free? (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Microsoft , makers of what ? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Windows 2000 sucks compared to linux ("Adam Ruth")
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Blurry Fonts: Is there a solution? (Swangoremovemee)
Re: Microsoft , makers of what ? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Blurry Fonts: Is there a solution? (Swangoremovemee)
Re: Linux is awful (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Linux is awful (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Blurry Fonts: Is there a solution? (Swangoremovemee)
Re: Windows review (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks. (Swangoremovemee)
Re: What if Linux wasn't free? (Swangoremovemee)
Re: Windows review (Curtis)
Re: i/o in linux (Swangoremovemee)
Microsoft the evil empire. "Wanted Java programmer please email. Word format only"
("Cat")
Re: Windows 2000 sucks compared to linux ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! (Russ Lyttle)
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From: tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Blurry Fonts: Is there a solution?
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 22:13:15 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's sharp with EVERY windows manager.
Can't get much the clearer than that. Then the answer is probably
somewhere in that Font Deuglification Mini HowTo. Thanks.
Tom
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Red Hat drops Sparc support with new Linux version
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 22:22:42 GMT
In article <3a26e716$0$3654$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Conrad Rutherford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-3937182.html?pt.ms..feed.ne_home
>
> I can't blame them, lack of interest is why MS dropped support for
other
> chips in W2K.
>
> Just amusing to see RedHat following the dollars and not technology
for
> technologies sake.
I wouldn't put too much importance into the moves Redhat makes.
They made a big market splash at the beginning, but they really
haven't managed to put out consistent quality products. I
wouldn't recommend the latest Redhat releases to anyone
considering the other Linux based products available.
I also don't see how an alternate operating system could
effectively compete against Solaris Sparc on Sun's hardware. It's
Unix98 standard, rock solid, and well supported by Sun and
application vendors. The only advantage linux has is more device
drivers for low end hardware, and that doesn't really matter if
you buy a Sun box.
What interests me more is where everyone is going with Itanium
platform support. It's Intel's first real server class hardware
and looks like it will have strong Unix vendor support. Will
Linux be able to compete as a server OS on hardware that can also
run HP-UX, AIX, and Solaris? It seems the risk verse cost ratio
goes against linux the bigger the system gets.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 17:34:27 -0500
Pete Goodwin wrote:
>
> kiwiunixman wrote:
>
> > 2. Windows cannot, and will not work for weeks with out a reboot, maybe
> > two to three days I could believe, be anything longer than that, I can't
> > see happening.
>
> That explains our Windows 98 server that runs for months at a time. We
> never switch it off or reboot it.
He's counting in dog months.
>
> --
> Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Barry Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Is Lame. Sorry but it is true
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 22:37:46 GMT
"Swangoremovemee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Wed, 6 Dec 2000 23:03:12 -0700, "Keith W. Peterson"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >. In the
> >two weeks since I have had Linux, I have spent double the time on the
Linux
> >system because it just kicks butt!
>
>
> I'll bet you have, it most likely took you that long to figure out how
> to get it to dial the internet.
>
> Swango
> "It Don't Mean a Thang if it Ain't Got That Swang"
Stick with windows then. I'd rather just have geeks and nerds use Linux.
We're the ones who end up with the jobs that pay insane salaries anyway. I
hope Linux never makes it to the desktop. There's a billion dollar market in
embedded devices that Linux is the perfect fit for.
I use Linux as a server at home. It works beautifully. Runs Apache, Perl,
PHP & DB2 without a single problem. If it doesn't meet your needs, oh well.
It meets a lot of other peoples needs, so quit your bitching.
Barry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: Blurry Fonts: Is there a solution?
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 23:23:45 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Thu, 07 Dec 2000 00:58:54 GMT...
...and Swango <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[bad font display]
> >Does this sound like a hardware issue? (Mandrake 7.1, P266, Leadtek
> >Winfast 2300 video card w/8M ram) My card was listed in the setup
> >lists, so I assume it's using the correct driver.
>
> It's a Linux issue.
Bullshit. It's not a Linux issue, it's an X11R6.4 issue. Not even
exactly that, to be correct. It's a problem of the implementation of
X11 that has become synonymous with X11 for the free software world,
i.e. XFree86.
And even that implementation problem won't persist. People are working
on an extension which will solve the current font display problems
with XFree86 (the Render extension).
As a non-elegant interim solution, canvas rendering frameworks such as
the anti-aliased GNOME Canvas or the gnome-print preview pane are
already here.
mawa
--
Murderer's Gulch | Delirium Tremens | Chicken Thief Flat
Guano Hill | Whiskey Diggings | Poker Flat
Chucklehead Diggings | You Bet | Git-Up-And-Git
-- mid-1800s' Californian placenames
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: What if Linux wasn't free?
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 23:26:09 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Thu, 07 Dec 2000 15:24:22 GMT...
...and Swangoremovemee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[schnibble]
Yeah. Sure. However, Linux is free.
Must be kind of tough for you.
mawa
--
Whenever I'm on the edge of attempting suicide, I find comfort in the
fact that there will always be Toblerone.
Some things in this world remain.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Microsoft , makers of what ?
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 23:56:14 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <90ohdl$1qpi5$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Alan Parker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> and in the earlies 80's, 90's to the new team of hackers:
> Bill Joy >>> made the C shell
I'm sure Bill Joy doesn't rate csh as one of his triumphs.
vi perhaps. :-)
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From: "Adam Ruth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 sucks compared to linux
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 16:12:15 -0700
1) Kill worked about 25% of the time.
2) Many systems had scheduled reboots running on them (did you read my
post?).
3) If a service does not restart, it's not the fault of the service, it's
the fault of Windows. All processes are under control of the OS. If the OS
can't kill the process, the OS is buggy.
4) Having to schedule reboots to keep your machines from crashing is one
helluva kludge to make up for a buggy and unstable operating system.
Instead of doing such things with my own servers, I went with one that will
actually stay up: Unix.
5) Apparently 24x7 availability is not a concern in your shop. If so, then
scheduled reboot are just the trick. Not everyone needs 24x7. But I do.
So, what's the longest you've had a server running? It doesn't seem to be
an important metric for you, but I'm just wondering.
Adam Ruth
"Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:90p20r$201lg$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Assuming his problem (why won't he use kill -f?), then after you
determained
> that trying to do all those checks is useless, you can setup a script to
> reboot every week or so, should take you less than 5 minutes to do so,
even
> if you are totally clueless.
> setup a script to restart services every week or so, without restarting
the
> box itself, as this might be the problem.
> check when the services die, and then reboot, (you can automate this).
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 23:23:45 GMT
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> "Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > In HACKING EXPOSED, 2nd Edition, Chapter 5 "Hacking Windows NT", various
> > ways of obtaining root priviledge are discussed. They conclude that
> > it is no cakewalk, but that you must take strenuous administrative steps.
> > The one they recommend most is getting Windows 2000 (in lieu of grabbing
> > SP6a and some more recent hot-fixes.)
>
> We're not talking about obtainint root. In fact, obtainint root first would
> invalidate this claim.
I knew you'd say that.
How about this, if you don't mind paying a lot for the product:
Invisible Keylogger Stealth for NT at http://www.amecisco.com/iksnt.htm
Any user can install it locally, or you can install it remotely
using some tools in the NT Hacking Kit (also known as the NT Resource
Kit). Copy the software to %systemroot%\system32\drivers\scsi.sys (or some
other innocent-looking name. Then push the Registry changes to the remote
machine using regini.exe (from the NTRK). Then reboot the system using another
Microsoft-provided hacking tool, shutdown.exe:
shutdown \\(ip_address) /R /T:1 /Y /C
All keystrokes, including Ctrl-Alt-Del, will be logged. Eventually, you
can get domain credentials.
Or how about sniffing? Use BUTTsniffer to capture passwords from the host.
Or fsniff.
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From: Swangoremovemee<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Blurry Fonts: Is there a solution?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 23:28:08 GMT
On Thu, 07 Dec 2000 22:13:15 GMT, tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> It's sharp with EVERY windows manager.
>
>Can't get much the clearer than that. Then the answer is probably
>somewhere in that Font Deuglification Mini HowTo. Thanks.
>
>Tom
He is delusional and in denial mode. As you have discovered this is
one of Linux's dirty little secrets.
Just take a look and form your own opinion.
Swango
"It Don't Mean a Thang if it Ain't Got That Swang"
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft , makers of what ?
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 18:30:23 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> In article <90ohdl$1qpi5$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Alan Parker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > and in the earlies 80's, 90's to the new team of hackers:
> > Bill Joy >>> made the C shell
>
> I'm sure Bill Joy doesn't rate csh as one of his triumphs.
When it came out, it was THE BEST shell available for interactive use.
It sucks for shell scripting, but it's tremendous at the keyboard.
> vi perhaps. :-)
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Swangoremovemee<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Blurry Fonts: Is there a solution?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 23:30:33 GMT
On Thu, 07 Dec 2000 14:06:41 -0500, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>and simple tasks under Linux are IMPOSSIBLE under Windows.
>
>you know...like changing the IP address AND keeping the machine up.
>
Point taken, but I don't change my IP address every day but
unfortunately I "do" have to look at my Linux box.
Given the choice I would rather have a Linux box that was easy on the
eyes than ip address changing on the fly. And don't you have to
restart the network services under Linux anyway after an ip address
change?
Swango
"It Don't Mean a Thang if it Ain't Got That Swang"
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 23:31:38 GMT
Adam Short wrote:
>
> My Mandrake 7.2 system is truly beautiful now, I almost feel guilty for
> making it sit on the same hard drive as Windows.
The cool thing is that it is, what, $25 at Walmart?
I like to take the Mandrake boxes and put them in front of the Windows
ME boxes. A silly little moronic pleasure.
Chris
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 23:33:34 GMT
Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:
> Compare that to Mandrake. Can't even _install_ it, it won't recognize the
> drives, even as IDE. Yup, modern, advanced, powerful... but won't even
> install. Love it.
You must be very stupid to be unable to install Mandrake Linux!
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From: Swangoremovemee<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Blurry Fonts: Is there a solution?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 23:34:24 GMT
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000 23:23:45 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias
Warkus) wrote:
>
>Bullshit. It's not a Linux issue, it's an X11R6.4 issue. Not even
>exactly that, to be correct. It's a problem of the implementation of
>X11 that has become synonymous with X11 for the free software world,
>i.e. XFree86.
So what am I supposed to do stare at a command prompt all day?
It's a Linux problem and that is how everyone who buys it and everyone
who has tried it and everyone who will try it is going to perceive it
when they remove Linux from their system and all of your semantics
(albeit correct) isn't going to matter a hill of beans.
>And even that implementation problem won't persist. People are working
>on an extension which will solve the current font display problems
>with XFree86 (the Render extension).
According to the other Linux people around here there is no problem.
So which one is it?
You people really do have to get together on your advocacy.
>As a non-elegant interim solution, canvas rendering frameworks such as
>the anti-aliased GNOME Canvas or the gnome-print preview pane are
>already here.
I don't know what a Gnome Canvas is, but to my eyes Gnome looks just
as bad as kde.
Swango
>mawa
"It Don't Mean a Thang if it Ain't Got That Swang"
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Windows review
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 23:35:36 GMT
Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:
>
> [snips]
>
> "JM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > >Like I said, there's a reason we got away from the command line. A
> > >GUI has proven to be more productive (for average and new users, mind
> > >you).
> >
> > But even if you're a new user, it's still worth taking the time to
> > learn how to use the command line.
>
> Why?
>
> Grandpappy could care less about the command line. From the GUI, he can do
> all his work, he can copy, rename, print, delete, backup and restore files,
> he can browse the web, he can get e-mail and news, he can do every single
> task he actually needs to do. So what benefit is there in learning the
> command line for him?
How does Grandpappy do an nslookup to find out who is hacking him?
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From: Swangoremovemee<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 23:48:53 GMT
On Thu, 07 Dec 2000 14:08:23 -0500, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>That must be why Toyota is using RedHat 6.2 as the IT base
>for their dealership network.
>
Have you taken a look at Toyota's stock price lately?
Swango
"It Don't Mean a Thang if it Ain't Got That Swang"
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From: Swangoremovemee<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What if Linux wasn't free?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 23:50:02 GMT
On Thu, 07 Dec 2000 14:08:58 -0500, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Toyota is planning on selling computers and services?
If their stock price doesn't start moving up they might be.
Swango
"It Don't Mean a Thang if it Ain't Got That Swang"
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From: Curtis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Windows review
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 18:53:52 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Adam Schuetze) posted:
| On Thu, 07 Dec 2000 03:03:40 GMT, Kelsey Bjarnason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| > Grandpappy doesn't _want_ to hack kernels, he wants to write documents and
| ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
| > browse the web; what possible use are command lines and hacked kernels to
| > him?
|
| Because all good documents are written in vi, with tex. If you
| don't understand the command line, you'll never figure out tex.
|
| But then I'm biased of course. I think gui's are for weenies
| who are to stupid or lazy to figure out the command line. I
| mean really, how hard is it? Its not rocket science.
You must be a short man or have a short penis. <shaking head>
--
Curtis
| ,__o
!___ _-\_<, An egotist thinks he's in the groove
<(*)>--(*)/'(*)______________________ when he's in a rut.
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (ROT13 scrambled)
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From: Swangoremovemee<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: i/o in linux
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 23:54:41 GMT
On Thu, 07 Dec 2000 21:19:24 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Hi.
>
>I have two linux machine. One is a 450mhz machine with 256MB RAM using
>ide hard drives. The other one is a two cpu 933mhz machine with 1 GB RAM
>using scsi hard drives. The problem is that I am running a program
>(sybase) on both machines and the io on the 450 machine seems much
>faster then the 2 cpu machine. I check with sybase and it's not the
>configuation there. Is there something on linux that I am missing and
>need to configure???
What you need my friend is a 486 P133 with 16 meg of memory.
Linux screams on a system like that.
Swango
"It Don't Mean a Thang if it Ain't Got That Swang"
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Subject: Microsoft the evil empire. "Wanted Java programmer please email. Word format
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Date: 7 Dec 2000 17:58:16 -0600
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 sucks compared to linux
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 01:59:23 +0200
"Adam Ruth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:90p5md$2dpk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> 1) Kill worked about 25% of the time.
kill -f always worked for me.
> 2) Many systems had scheduled reboots running on them (did you read my
> post?).
I know, not mine.
> 3) If a service does not restart, it's not the fault of the service, it's
> the fault of Windows. All processes are under control of the OS. If the
OS
> can't kill the process, the OS is buggy.
Never had such an occurance.
> 4) Having to schedule reboots to keep your machines from crashing is one
> helluva kludge to make up for a buggy and unstable operating system.
> Instead of doing such things with my own servers, I went with one that
will
> actually stay up: Unix.
I'm making suggestions based on the info you gave.
I've no idea why the services couldn't be restarted, the few that refused to
shut down at my machines were killed.
> 5) Apparently 24x7 availability is not a concern in your shop. If so,
then
> scheduled reboot are just the trick. Not everyone needs 24x7. But I do.
I don't do scheduled reboots.
Did you try to restart services before they hang?
Scheduled restart of services might do the trick.
> So, what's the longest you've had a server running? It doesn't seem to be
> an important metric for you, but I'm just wondering.
Uptime isn't an important metric. Downtime is. :)
Last time I'd to reboot a production server was for SP1.
> Adam Ruth
>
> "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:90p20r$201lg$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Assuming his problem (why won't he use kill -f?), then after you
> determained
> > that trying to do all those checks is useless, you can setup a script to
> > reboot every week or so, should take you less than 5 minutes to do so,
> even
> > if you are totally clueless.
> > setup a script to restart services every week or so, without restarting
> the
> > box itself, as this might be the problem.
> > check when the services die, and then reboot, (you can automate this).
>
>
>
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From: Russ Lyttle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 00:06:19 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Russ Lyttle writes:
>
> >>>> Steve Mading writes:
>
> >>>>>> Why are you citing evidence that destroys your argument, Aaron?
> >>>>>> Familiarity (or experience, to use my word for it) does not have
> >>>>>> to be universal before something can be declared "intuitive".
> >>>>>> Here's a good rule of thumb: if you need to consult the manual,
> >>>>>> it's not intuitive.
>
> >>>>> Everyone has to "consult the manual" (or a friend, or the on-line
> >>>>> help) at some point early in their learning process.
>
> >>>> I know some first-time computer users that did not need to consult
> >>>> the manual or a friend to know what to do with the power cord, for
> >>>> example.
>
> >>> I have earned a lot of money plugging in power cords for people.
>
> >> Congratulations. I know people who replace water heaters, and they
> >> also plug in the power cord for customers while installing the
> >> replacement appliance.
>
> >>> The first electronics job I had was making calls to fix TV sets.
>
> >> Not to install them? Televisions that hadn't yet been used don't
> >> usually require fixing.
>
> > Both. The most common was after the set was at home. Most people, by
> > that time, were trying to install the sets themselves.
>
> And you're claiming that they didn't know enough to plug it in? Do
> these people use a toaster? A lamp? A microwave oven?
>
> >>> About half the time the problem was the power cord wasn't plugged in.
>
> >> But was it because they didn't know that it had to be plugged in, or
> >> had it accidently become unplugged without them knowing it? There's
> >> a big difference there. I've seen it happen to people many times.
>
> > They didn't know all the subtilities of operating a power cord.
>
> What "subtleties"?
>
> > Plug it in all the way.
>
> What's subtle about that?
>
> > Unplug it before moving the set.
>
> Are you saying that the cord was damaged from strain?
>
No, I'm saying that your description of how to use a power cord is
missing sum subtilities. Such as : a power cord has *two* ends. On a
toster one end is usually fixed to the toster. On TV sets and computers
neither end is fixed. You need to make sure *both* ends are plugged in.
Also power cords are polarized. Try to plug them in the wrong way and
they don't fit properly.
> > If the light doesn't come on check the power cord. That sort of thing.
>
> What's subtle about that?
>
People don't do it. For computers it is worse. The light on the computer
can come on, but not the monitor, or vice versa.
> >>> I learned very quickly not to just plug in the cord and send a bill
> >>> for $50. I would futz around a while, take the back off, look intent.
> >>> Then put the back on and plug it in.
>
> >> You're admitting to what some people would consider a "dishonest"
> >> service call?
>
> > No. They got charged the same, the fee for one hour service call.
>
> Even if it took one minute?
>
Yes. The minimum charge is one hour. Same as auto repair shops and other
such services.
> > I just decided not to upset them by pointing out that they didn't know
> > how to operate a power cord.
>
> Which would have been rather presumptuous of you.
>
> >>> When PCs came out, there were more power cords not to be plugged in
> >>> and thus more business.
>
> >> Some people prefer to have experts install new gizmos for them.
> >> Doesn't mean that they don't have the intuition to plug it in for
> >> themselves.
>
> > But that doesn't mean the power cord is all that "intutive" either.
>
> Doesn't mean it isn't "intutive" [sic] either.
>
> >>>>>SNIP<<
--
Russ Lyttle, PE
<http://www.flash.net/~lyttlec>
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