Linux-Advocacy Digest #720, Volume #33 Fri, 20 Apr 01 02:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Microsoft grand vision, aka dot-net, and reality (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Red Hat has become scary? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Red Hat has become scary? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: Red Hat has become scary? (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Aaron Kuklis Arrested! (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Who votes for Sliverdick to be executed: AYEs:9 NAYS:0 (1 ABSTAIN)
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Microsoft gets hard ("JS PL")
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Microsoft grand vision, aka dot-net, and reality
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 17:30:06 +1200
A few weeks back, on slashdot they were discussing dot-net and this is
what I posted:
Does anyone actually know what the average luser wants? People like Bill
Gates coming up with these far fetched dreams of having everything being
hosted on "Microsoft Windows 2000 Application Server", whilst the
average luser is just trying to keep there computer from crashing every
day. Tech staff pulling out there hair helping the average luser who
can't get [product name] to work because of DLL Hell. For goodness sake,
before you (Bill Gates), or any of your cronies start going on this
fabulous voyage of fantasy and dreams, remember not to lose site of
supporting you customers, as it will be your own detriment if you do.
The response:
Its seems like most people here you do not understand what .Net is, and
it is Microsoft's fault to some degree. .Net does completely fix dll
hell, the .net framework and clr where
designed around "xcopy" deployment, meaning no more registry, xml config
files in the app directory (novel idea ;)). In fact it makes me wonder
about how the registry will be used
as time goes on. But anyway my main piont is .Net is being marketed
centralized applications that are rented, but in reality that is just
one way to use the underlying framework,
and at the same time it is Microsoft "eating there own dog food", by
using the framework for that purpose. But it you still prefer to make a
classic windows app the .Net framework
gives a excellent library (Winforms) to do so, and if you so desire you
can get into the raw GDI+, or even directx, its not all about web apps.
>From what I read in the reply, dot-net is meant to be the silver bullet
that hypothetically is meant to mend all the short falls of Windows,
such as the issues with the registry and DLL Hell. However, this is a
completely new API, so how long will users wait until they are able to
benefit from this "innovation" considering many of these issues have
been addressed or have never been an issue in the UNIX world (which
included *BSD and Linux). It took many companies, even with access with
early beta copies of Windows 95, up to 7 years just to get their code
from 16bit to 32bit. How long will it take companies to move their
software form the Win32 API to the dot-net API so that end users can
benefit from these enhancements? longer? Yes, Microsoft will probably
the first to move their software, however, people like me who prefer to
use the likes of Lotus Smart Suite will have to wait, most likely up to
2-3 years just so that they can benefit from the "dot-net experience".
However, depending on the development cycle of the next kernel release,
users will no longer be forced into waiting for new enhancements already
available on other platforms. With OpenOffice spreedily progressing in
being split up and ported to new platforms, there will no longer be the
compelling reason to stick with Windows, except maybe in the games
department, however, as I have said previously, most people have a games
machine anyway, so, it won't be an issue for most.
The issue regarding corporate migration. There needs to be a consortium
setup that will pay for the cost of moving a large corporation from
Windows to Linux, such as the porting of in house developed
applications, retraining of staff etc etc. Once done, these
corporations then can be used as poster children for the Linux effort to
prove that Linux is a viable solution in the real business world.
Matthew Gardiner
--
I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operator From Hell)
If you don't like it, you can go [# rm -rf /home/luser] yourself
Running SuSE Linux 7.1
The best of German engineering, now in software form
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Red Hat has become scary?
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 01:31:47 -0400
"B. R. Ivy" wrote:
>
> Does anyone out there think that Red Hat is moving towards a proprietory OS?
Who cares? Trying to do such a thing with Linux is a guaranteed losing proposition.
> I really appreciated the way that RH 7.0 installed but it almost seemed too
> slick. And now they want to bundle in the way too pretty Nautilus GUI with
> 7.1. I'd hate to wake up five years from now with another Microsoft on the
> horizon. Ideas? Opinions?
Don't like Red Hat's ways? then just switch vendors.
What part of "open source" do you not understand?
>
> Randall Ivy
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Red Hat has become scary?
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 01:33:19 -0400
Matthew Gardiner wrote:
>
> "B. R. Ivy" wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone out there think that Red Hat is moving towards a proprietory OS?
> > I really appreciated the way that RH 7.0 installed but it almost seemed too
> > slick. And now they want to bundle in the way too pretty Nautilus GUI with
> > 7.1. I'd hate to wake up five years from now with another Microsoft on the
> > horizon. Ideas? Opinions?
> >
> > Randall Ivy
>
> The difference is that there are alternatives, such as SuSE Linux, and
> Mandrake. I find it rather humourous that Sepo's don't know any
> products made outside the US. Mention the words SuSE, SAP or Baan and
> you get blank faces, mention software such as Jade and there is even
> more blank faces. What the heck is wrong with people? Its like during
> the 70s, the quality of US cars were going further down hill, whilst the
> Japanese made cars were superior and cheaper, yet, no sepo's bought
> them. Is that xenaphobia at the extreme?
No...just illogical arrogance based on an irrational form of nationalism.
It's one thing to be proud of your country...it's yet another to assume
that all foreigners are inferior.
That's what got Germany, and Japan, and eventually the Soviet Union in trouble.
>
> Matthew Gardiner
>
> --
> I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operator From Hell)
>
> If you don't like it, you can go [# rm -rf /home/luser] yourself
>
> Running SuSE Linux 7.1
>
> The best of German engineering, now in software form
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 01:36:27 -0400
silverback wrote:
>
> On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 03:25:19 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael
> Ejercito) wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 17 Apr 2001 23:26:20 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >(silverback) wrote:
> >
> >>On Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:31:34 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> >><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>>Mathew wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Oh Capitalist have murdered their onw population as well.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>MURDERED? Millions of their own populace? really?
> >>>
> >>>Do tell.
> >>>
> >>>Accuracy counts, so be precise.
> >>>
> >>
> >>sure 100K killed on the job yearly
> > Proof? And ebign killed on the job is usually not murder.
> i
>
> it sure the fuck is if there were violations of safety standards. And
Then they could have just quit and found some other job.
> then we can add millions more each year for the ones dying of
> occupational diseases or cancer from exposure to cancer causing agents
> at work.
>
> >
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> > Michael
>
> ***********************************************
>
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> emailers remove the spam buster
>
> For those seeking enlightenment visit the White Rose at
>
> http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/whiterose.htm
>
> *********************************************
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 01:41:45 -0400
Matthew Gardiner wrote:
>
> <snype>
>
> Think of the issue like this. We are now in the era of technological
> change, yet we still rely on technology 100 years old that has changed
> very little. Instead of the government wasting money on pointless tax cuts,
What part of IT'S THE *****_WORKERS'_***** MONEY do you not understand?
> maybe some of that money could be used to setup a Crown Funded
> Laboratory to fund research into economically viable alternative fuels
> and the rest used to pay off the overseas debt and public debt. That
> would be a hell of a lot more effective than giving a huge tax cut to
> those at the top of the food chain.
You'rse starting to talk like a socialist feeb.
>
> Matthew Gardiner
> --
> I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operator From Hell)
>
> If you don't like it, you can go [# rm -rf /home/luser] yourself
>
> Running SuSE Linux 7.1
>
> The best of German engineering, now in software form
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Red Hat has become scary?
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 17:41:52 +1200
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> >
> > "B. R. Ivy" wrote:
> > >
> > > Does anyone out there think that Red Hat is moving towards a proprietory OS?
> > > I really appreciated the way that RH 7.0 installed but it almost seemed too
> > > slick. And now they want to bundle in the way too pretty Nautilus GUI with
> > > 7.1. I'd hate to wake up five years from now with another Microsoft on the
> > > horizon. Ideas? Opinions?
> > >
> > > Randall Ivy
> >
> > The difference is that there are alternatives, such as SuSE Linux, and
> > Mandrake. I find it rather humourous that Sepo's don't know any
> > products made outside the US. Mention the words SuSE, SAP or Baan and
> > you get blank faces, mention software such as Jade and there is even
> > more blank faces. What the heck is wrong with people? Its like during
> > the 70s, the quality of US cars were going further down hill, whilst the
> > Japanese made cars were superior and cheaper, yet, no sepo's bought
> > them. Is that xenaphobia at the extreme?
>
> No...just illogical arrogance based on an irrational form of nationalism.
>
> It's one thing to be proud of your country...it's yet another to assume
> that all foreigners are inferior.
> That's what got Germany, and Japan, and eventually the Soviet Union in trouble.
Hell yes. But atleast you don't see Germany or Japan trying to be the
world policeman. They have learnt their leason. However, US still
haven't learnt it, even with all the nut cases out there wanting to blow
up US government buildings. You only need to look at the US's
involvement in Somalia to show how arrogance + ignorance = disaster. It
is one thing helping a country, it is another thing to tell a country
what to do. However, what I can say, is, the Soviet Union was the first
to develop biological weapons, with the first one being developed, one
carrying a antibiotic resistant strain of the smallpox virus. The US
said it was impossible, the Soviet Union proved them wrong. The US had
one space station, the Soviety union threw up 5 into orbit. Little
facts most people in the US fail to comprehend, that there is NO ONE
country that has contributed to human technological advance, but many,
and until this happens, the rampant arrogance will continue to grow.
Matthew Gardiner
--
I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operator From Hell)
If you don't like it, you can go [# rm -rf /home/luser] yourself
Running SuSE Linux 7.1
The best of German engineering, now in software form
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Aaron Kuklis Arrested!
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 17:58:15 +1200
how come you are running Windows 98?
how come you posted it using HTML encoding?
Matthew Gardiner
--
I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operator From Hell)
If you don't like it, you can go [# rm -rf /home/luser] yourself
Running SuSE Linux 7.1
The best of German engineering, now in software form
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Who votes for Sliverdick to be executed: AYEs:9 NAYS:0 (1 ABSTAIN)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 23:05:39 -0700
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Gunner ©" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, 17 Apr 2001 15:08:44 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > Hehehehhehe
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I'm not registered to vote in this precinct, but since I'm a registered
> > > > > > >> Democrat does that matter? <G>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Since Democrats don't care about such niceties, you are allowed
> > > > > > >to vote AYE in the election, regardless of where you live.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > In fact Sue... you can even vote more than once. Feel free to fill out
> > > > > > the form in your hometown, and again while visiting Fresno.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > In the spirit of the Democrat Party, I'll make that 5 AYEs for Sue
> > > > > 4 in her home town, and one in Fresno.
> > > >
> > > > As a Democrat I suppose I should demand some money for my votes, but
> > >
> > > In Milwaukee, the Democrat's unit of exchange is a pack of cigarettes.
> >
> > I'm not in Milwaukee, but I'll take them anyway. Make that Marlboro
> > Light 100's. How many votes did you get from me? One pack per vote
> > please.
>
> She's not just cheap...
> she's easy, too.
> :-)
I suppose as a life long Democrat I ought to know what the going rate
for a vote is, but... Should that have been one carton per vote?
Sue
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From: "JS PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.arch,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Microsoft gets hard
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 02:08:01 -0400
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> I'm a clean-cut, professionally dressed soldier....
who uses Windows98 at all times.....
> > in their parents basements vs MS associated with the largest businesses
in
> ...who moved out of the house at age 17....
at the request of my family....
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