Linux-Advocacy Digest #793, Volume #30 Sun, 10 Dec 00 16:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: Caifornia power shortage... ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Windows review (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Caifornia power shortage... ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Of course, there is a down side... (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Caifornia power shortage... ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Of course, there is a down side... (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Caifornia power shortage... ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Predictions (featuring Drestin Black) (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Linux is awful (Roberto Alsina)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Of course, there is a down side... ("Tom Wilson")
Re: Uptimes (Charlie Ebert)
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Caifornia power shortage...
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 15:32:04 -0500
Static66 wrote:
>
> On Sun, 10 Dec 2000 01:16:02 GMT, Woofbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Static66
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> I read that they haven't built a power plant in over 15 years, yet in
> >> that same time the population of california has basically
> >> doubled...piss poor government planning..
> >
> >How DARE you question the wisdom of the past Republican administrations?
> >CA government has built a *lot* of new jails ... and, in their wisdom,
> >has cut back on building schools and universities because they know that
> >the jail inmates won't be needing the schools. }: )
>
> you don't think the rise in crime is a direct result of the rise in
> population? I think the jails were in order. then again if they would
> execute the murderers, child molesters and other criminal deviants,
> I'm sure we could use that money for schools instead of jails.
>
> I think the lack of power is a direct result of the enviro-nazi
> crusade underway in the country. Having worked in california and being
> directly responsible for my companies "Hazmat" operation I think I can
> speak knowledgeably on that.
I'm curious... since OSHA defines Sodium Chloride (table salt)
as a Haaaaaaazerdous substance......
What handling procedures does OSHA mandate for bulk NaCl?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Windows review
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 20:34:40 GMT
Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> Things in windows that *require* the mouse:
> Most games.
> Graphical programs. (Photoshop, Flash, PSP, and so on)
>
> Anyone can think of other examples?
Well this is actually a game, which category you mention
above. But I want to say it anyway:
xbill
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Caifornia power shortage...
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 15:39:20 -0500
Jeff wrote:
>
> Russ Lyttle wrote:
>
> > As a person who lives in one of the out-of-the-way places, I don't want
> > one built near me because :
> > a> I don't need it.
> > b) The don't want to pay me for the right to build the plant.
> > What they (being government and utilities) want to do is steal the land,
> > build the plant, not pay local taxes, sell the power to California, and
> > leave the pollution with me. I, for one, am tired of being jacked around
> > because California and New York are too stupid to simply build a nuclear
> > plant in their states.
>
> Having once lived in Lone Pine, Idaho, population 20,
> just north of the Idaho National Engineering Laboratory,
> where they still haven't found or even located all of
> the nuclear waste that they've buried over the years,
> sloppy record-keeping, I understand your sentiment.
>
> Unfortunately, the plants are eventually going to end
> up being built in sparsely populated areas. We know
> that they eventually have to be built, just look at
> California's current situation, and nobody's going to
> stand for them being built near cities and towns.
>
> So folks such as yourself in out-of-the-way places are
> going to end up getting screwed. Instead of having the
> environmentalists fighting against a cause that they
> eventually have to lose, they could at least create some
> goodwill and fight for you guys to get a fair shake
> in the deal.
>
> The majority of the voting population is going to get
> seriously pissed when they start experiencing rolling
> blackouts or brownouts every year, and we've seen that
> conservation doesn't go far enough.
>
> The plants are going to get built.
Got your Y2K generator?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 20:40:34 GMT
On Sun, 10 Dec 2000 06:09:26 GMT,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Sat, 09 Dec 2000 23:12:21 -0600, B. P. Uecker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>The joke, if there is one, is on provincial geeks who think that what
>>they play with in their spare time is The Next Big Thing. Linux is a
>>schizophrenic mess and shows every sign of remaining so. Its window
>>managers are abject crap. If it is a return to anything, it is a
>>return to nonstandard interfaces, poorly documented programs, and
>>weekend coder methodology. I think we can do without all that.
>
>Linux is poorest implementation of Unix I've yet encountered. I can't
>see how any honest Unix administrator could say that it out-performs
>any of the currently available commercial implementations of the Unix
>operating system.
>
Now it isn't! Windows from Microsoft is the poorest implementation of
Unix you've ever encountered!
Charlie
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Caifornia power shortage...
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 15:40:56 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> JFW <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> >On Sun, 10 Dec 2000 03:33:47 -0500, Jeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >>Static66 wrote:
> >>
> >>> I read that they haven't built a power plant in over
> >>> 15 years, yet in that same time the population of
> >>> california has basically doubled...piss poor
> >>> government planning..
> >>
> >>Nobody will ever allow one to be built near their
> >>homes; neither Republican nor Democrat, neither
> >>black nor white, neither WinTroll nor Maccie.
>
> >And of course, in say California, there aren't areas which _aren't_ by
> >anyone's homes, right? Sorry, that's a provably false argument. Yeesh, there
> >are areas where you could test gigaton thermonuclear weapons, and the only
> >impact to humans would be secondary. I think if any state can support
> >nuclear development, it's CA.
>
> >Not to mention the fact that other states, which have embraced nuclear power,
> >like IL, etc. don't seem to the radioactive wastelands the arguments of the
> >anti-nuclear folks insist they'd become.
>
> >>We can't build them in the cities or in the
> >>suburbs. Even when they're proposed for some
> >>out-of-the-way spot where very few people live,
> >>the proposals meet heavy opposition.
>
> >They meet heavy opposition by folks who, quite frankly, will not tolerate ANY
> >new power plant construction. I'm sorry, if new plants MUST be constructed,
> >the first group of people I'd stop listening to is the folks who object to
> >ANY new construction at all.
>
> >Power outages kill people. People die from hypothermia, they die from the
> >lack of power to provide important medical services, they die from the
> >intrinsic breakdowns of communication and regulation (think traffic lights)
> >that occur during power outages.
>
> >"No more, at ALL" is killing people. I'm tired of supporting folks who by
> >their actions demonstrate a depraved indifference to the death of others.
> >There is NO logically supportable argument which justifies "No more, at all."
>
> Nice rant, but take a look at the how, why and effects of utility
> deregulation. It's the important 85-90 percent of the problem; the real
> culprit, e.g., everyone knew 10 years ago that utilities were not going to
> build the needed plants or upgrade existing ones because there was no
> provision in the law for them to recover the costs under de-regulation.
You are an idiot.
Under de-regulation, you can charge whatever price you need to
cover your costs...as long as their is a competing company in the
same area (which is going to be faced with the same costs themselves).
>
> Now everyone is acting surprised that the short-term -- lets make today's
> profit the prime objective -- didn't build new plants for the long-term.
> Utilities were once regulated in-part so there would be an incentive to build
> into the future. The public need hasn't changed, but the politicians and money
> grabbers don't care about that. -- Not that the right, who spear-headed
> deregulation ever did. I consider it poetic justice for those who voted for
> the nuts.
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> -----------------------------------------------------------
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 20:41:25 GMT
On Sun, 10 Dec 2000 09:17:00 GMT,
Paul Colquhoun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Sun, 10 Dec 2000 06:09:26 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>|On Sat, 09 Dec 2000 23:12:21 -0600, B. P. Uecker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>|wrote:
>|
>|>
>|>The joke, if there is one, is on provincial geeks who think that what
>|>they play with in their spare time is The Next Big Thing. Linux is a
>|>schizophrenic mess and shows every sign of remaining so. Its window
>|>managers are abject crap. If it is a return to anything, it is a
>|>return to nonstandard interfaces, poorly documented programs, and
>|>weekend coder methodology. I think we can do without all that.
>|
>|Linux is poorest implementation of Unix I've yet encountered. I can't
>|see how any honest Unix administrator could say that it out-performs
>|any of the currently available commercial implementations of the Unix
>|operating system.
>
>
>You have piqued my curiosity. In what area's do you think Linux
>is the "poorest implementation of Unix"?
>
>I've used BSD, Solaris, HP-UX, and Linux (plus a few weird variations),
>and Linux seems to be well within the range of variations of the
>other Unix implementations.
>
>
>--
>Reverend Paul Colquhoun, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Universal Life Church http://andor.dropbear.id.au/~paulcol
>-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-
>xenaphobia: The fear of being beaten to a pulp by
> a leather-clad, New Zealand woman.
Windows is the poorest implementation of Unix there is.
Charlie
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Caifornia power shortage...
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 15:42:59 -0500
Jeff wrote:
>
> JFW wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, 10 Dec 2000 03:33:47 -0500, Jeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >Static66 wrote:
> > >
> > >> I read that they haven't built a power plant in over
> > >> 15 years, yet in that same time the population of
> > >> california has basically doubled...piss poor
> > >> government planning..
> > >
> > >Nobody will ever allow one to be built near their
> > >homes; neither Republican nor Democrat, neither
> > >black nor white, neither WinTroll nor Maccie.
> >
> > And of course, in say California, there aren't areas which _aren't_ by
> > anyone's homes, right? Sorry, that's a provably false argument.
>
> For some reason, the word 'aren't' twice in your sentence is
> causing me to not understand what you're saying. Guess I'm
> tired. I guess you're saying that there are areas in CA which
> are not by anyone's homes.
>
> I'd say that's false. There's always someone living in the area.
> Usually what happens is that even if it's just a small isolated
> community of a few homes, they will be represented by powerful
> interests insisting that even though the residents are few in
> number, their rights are still paramount to that of whichever
> corporation has interests there.
>
> And if no one is living in the area, then something of value
> will be found to argue against the permit for construction.
>
> All I'm saying is that eventually, something of value, whatever
> that value is, has to be sacrificed. Everything can not be
> saved. Clean fusion power is not here. We need to make
> some hard choices, and it's those hard choices which have
> been ignored completely, for what looks like 15 years in CA.
>
> > Yeesh, there are areas where you could test gigaton thermonuclear
> > weapons, and the only impact to humans would be secondary. I think if
> > any state can support nuclear development, it's CA.
>
> Having spent a few summers at the National Training Center in
> the deserts of California, yeah, I'd say there are areas around
> there that could support nuclear development. I'm not against
> nuclear power, near my home. Oops, I'm one of 'them'.
>
> > Not to mention the fact that other states, which have embraced nuclear
> > power, like IL, etc. don't seem to the radioactive wastelands the
> > arguments of the anti-nuclear folks insist they'd become.
>
> Correct, Illinoisians aren't glowing in the dark yet.
Not 'not yet'..... never...
fission plants are fundamentally different from bombs.
for one thing, they don't even have enough radioactive material
to blow up. As long as you are below critical mass, then NO explosion
...never....PERIOD.
>
> > >We can't build them in the cities or in the
> > >suburbs. Even when they're proposed for some
> > >out-of-the-way spot where very few people live,
> > >the proposals meet heavy opposition.
> >
> > They meet heavy opposition by folks who, quite frankly, will not
> > tolerate ANY new power plant construction. I'm sorry, if new plants
> > MUST be constructed, the first group of people I'd stop listening to
> > is the folks who object to ANY new construction at all.
>
> That's what I said. No matter where something might be
> constructed, it meets with heavy opposition. Eventually a
> choice will have to be made on who doesn't get their way.
>
> Most likely it'll turn out to be a region with few people live
> out in the scrub brush, or a poor neighborhood.
>
> > Power outages kill people. People die from hypothermia, they die from
> > the lack of power to provide important medical services, they die from
> > the intrinsic breakdowns of communication and regulation (think
> > traffic lights) that occur during power outages.
> >
> > "No more, at ALL" is killing people. I'm tired of supporting folks
> > who by their actions demonstrate a depraved indifference to the death
> > of others. There is NO logically supportable argument which justifies
> > "No more, at all."
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: Predictions (featuring Drestin Black)
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 20:43:37 GMT
On Sun, 10 Dec 2000 09:41:30 GMT, kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Windows 2000 Pro, has had slow sales, not because of any technical
>limitations, but because most consumers are waiting for the arrival of
>Windows Whistler that will address the short commings of Windows ME and
>Windows 2000 Pro. I donot see in the short term, a rocket "growth" for
>Linux in the consumer market, however, I could see it in the Server (low
>end market) in the immediate future.
>
>kiwiunixman
>
>Chad Myers wrote:
>
Ahh, Linux is kicking Microsofts ass out of every continent and country
with the exeption is the U.S.A and Canada as we speak.
Those are the facts.
Charlie
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 20:42:53 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 08 Dec 2000 09:42:53 GMT, Pete Goodwin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'm running GNOME now and it's very, very good.
> And I like it better than KDE2. It offeres more.
Just curious: what more?
--
Roberto Alsina
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 20:54:04 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Sun, 03 Dec 2000 11:48:38 GMT
<qqqW5.8444$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Aaron R. Kulkis writes:
>
>> Tom Wilson wrote:
>
>>>> Aaron R. Kulkis writes:
>
>>>>>> Donovan Rebbechi writes:
>
>>>>>>> The movement keys are placed sensibly in vi (hjkl),
>
>>>>>> Which is not intuitive. First-time vi users, if they try to do
>
>>>>> Big fucking deal. NOTHING about computers is "intuitive"
>
>>>> Incorrect; consider the power switch.
>
>>> You'd be surprised....
>>> Never underestimate the idiot factor.
>
>> The power switch is NOT "intuitive"
>
>You mean you need to consult a manual to learn how to turn a computer
>on???
There are several issues here.
Assuming that we're talking about someone who's relatively "normal"
(a highly changeable definition; consider what someone in 1900 might
have considered "normal" in a farm yard or in deepest Africa, versus
a youth of today in a large metropolitan area), that person may
understand that there's such a thing as a power switch -- the
stereotypical "dumb blonde" being excluded, of course (these are the
ones who also put whiteout on computer monitors; not quite sure how
one can explain proper context, there), and how to toggle it.
But this isn't really intuition, is it? It's more like contextual learning,
IMO. Granted, it's probably learned during one's toddler years,
if not earlier -- cf a number of toys from (IIRC) Fischer-price that
can be hung from a crib and make all kinds of squeaky noises when
things are pushed, pulled, dialed, and yanked. It's not magic, folks. :-)
It gets even more complicated when discussing as to how (and, much more
importantly, when) one can safely [*] (or at least without damaging data)
turn a computer off. Older OSes such as DOS and AmigaOS went to some
trouble to implement what I might call "delayed cache force-flushing",
which basically means that after a second or two idling, the system wrote
all dirty blocks to their proper places. This means that turning a machine
off after it had sat idle for several seconds -- or several hours, for that
matter -- would cause little or no data or filesystem damage (physical
damage such as bearing wear and/or solder joints is a different issue).
MacOS may or may not have flushed -- I suspect that it did, if only
because it was supposedly intuitive for the casual user. (Then again,
I can't say I know offhand.)
Modern Linux systems have a similar damage control process (kflushd
on RedHat), but that won't forestall checking (there's a bit on the disk
partition somewhere that indicate whether the volume has been mounted for
write or not; this bit is unaffected by dirty block flushing). AFAIK,
Win9x/Me has no such mechanism, although it might have inherited things
from DOS; WindowsNT/2k may have a daemon similar to kflushd, or a timing
thread, I don't know.
>
>> Proof: put a primative tribesman in a room with electric appliances
>> and tell him to start the things into operation.
>
>How does that represent proof for your claim? Intuition comes from
>experience. If you don't have the experience, then you need to consult
>a manual. You're hypothesizing a situation in which there is no
>experience.
Pedant point: how can a primitive tribesman read English?
(Or are you assuming that the primitive tribesman can already read English?)
[*] Turning off a computer, assuming a normal home unit in reasonably good
repair, won't kill anybody, or even injure them, unless s/he bangs on
the power button too hard, scratches/cuts him/herself on a sharp
case corner, or drops the thing on one's foot.
Of course, one can always assume faulty grounding and a heart attack,
or a note/document that the loss thereof would cause the user to commit
suicide, such as one's "true love's" phone number of someone met over
the Internet, or a document for business purposes that will allow for
the sale of millions of dollars of services or equipment -- but we're
getting very far afield already.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
up 80 days, 12:38, running Linux.
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 20:54:06 GMT
"Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Sun, 10 Dec 2000 06:09:26 GMT,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >On Sat, 09 Dec 2000 23:12:21 -0600, B. P. Uecker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>The joke, if there is one, is on provincial geeks who think that what
> >>they play with in their spare time is The Next Big Thing. Linux is a
> >>schizophrenic mess and shows every sign of remaining so. Its window
> >>managers are abject crap. If it is a return to anything, it is a
> >>return to nonstandard interfaces, poorly documented programs, and
> >>weekend coder methodology. I think we can do without all that.
> >
> >Linux is poorest implementation of Unix I've yet encountered. I can't
> >see how any honest Unix administrator could say that it out-performs
> >any of the currently available commercial implementations of the Unix
> >operating system.
> >
>
> Now it isn't! Windows from Microsoft is the poorest implementation of
> Unix you've ever encountered!
No Charlie, Windows is the poorest ATTEMPT AT an implementation of Unix he's
ever encountered.
--
Tom Wilson
Registered Linux User #194021
http://counter.li.org
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Uptimes
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 21:02:30 GMT
On Sun, 10 Dec 2000 07:27:26 +0200,
Ayende Rahien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Sorry to disappoint you but, your wrong.
>>
>> Netcrafts numbers are from live - interactive investigation of
>> participating sites.
>
>How do they do it?
>I don't want the algorithm, I just want to read even a semi - flausible way
>to do it.
>
>
Netcraft figures are sound because they don't rely
on humans to report the uptimes. They rely on
software which reports back to their collection
server and these reporting agents report server
status at random intervals. They could be
set to report system status back to Netcraft
every hour for instance.
If they are missing a report they were expecting
then they would know.
Charlie
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