Linux-Advocacy Digest #793, Volume #31 Sun, 28 Jan 01 17:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Microsoft DEATH NECKLESS is COMPLETE!!! (Seán Ó Donnchadha)
Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Grant Edwards)
Re: KULKIS IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT (Marty)
Re: M$ websites down again - Problem solved -> use Linux! (CR Lyttle)
Re: KULKIS IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT (Marty)
Re: 3100 W2K Adv Servers deployed accross Europe (Kevin Ford)
Re: 3100 W2K Adv Servers deployed accross Europe (Kevin Ford)
Re: 3100 W2K Adv Servers deployed accross Europe (Kevin Ford)
Re: M$ websites down again - Problem solved -> use Linux! (CR Lyttle)
Re: All this Whistler stuff. (Kevin Ford)
Re: Global Configuration tool (WAS: Re: linux does NOT suck (oh yes it does) )
(Kevin Ford)
Re: Whistler, yet another Windows push. (J Sloan)
Re: M$ websites down again - Problem solved -> use Linux! (CR Lyttle)
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 16:06:51 -0500
Mark Bratcher wrote:
>
> Oh, I get it now.
>
> This all falls under the "misc" part of "comp.os.linux.misc". :-)
yes.
>
> Johan Kullstam wrote:
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > Johan Kullstam wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > >
> > > > > "." wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In comp.os.linux.advocacy Harlan Grove <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Finally, as for US politics, better bland/boring politics and a diverse
> > > > > > > and vibrant society than the reverse.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think we can all agree that what happened in florida during this past
> > > > > > election could be defined at the very least as a highly disorganized and
> > > > > > flawed state electoral system.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > No...merely corrupt Demoncrook National Committee people playing
> > > > > footsie with corrupt Demoncrook county election officials and even
> > > > > more corrupt Demoncrook Florida Supreme Starchamber
> > > > > dictat^H^H^H^H^^H^Hjustices.
> > > >
> > > > the only difference was that the republicrooks owned the higher
> > > > court. they are both equally bogus.
> > > >
> > >
> > > What part of "Federal law dictates that the rules of an election
> > > can NOT be changed after the voting has started" do you not
> > > understand?
> >
> > the courts and a law about recounts were in place before the
> > election. every citizen has the right to redress in the courts. the
> > only unlawful thing i heard about was maybe the busloads of
> > repubilican hooligans running riot in dade county to stop any
> > counting.
> >
> > --
> > J o h a n K u l l s t a m
> > [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Don't Fear the Penguin!
>
> --
> Mark Bratcher
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> Escape from Microsoft's proprietary tentacles: use Linux!
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Seán Ó Donnchadha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft DEATH NECKLESS is COMPLETE!!!
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 16:12:14 -0500
On Sun, 28 Jan 2001 20:16:46 GMT, J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Sure, just like I see the raw power behind a million backyard
>> mechanics over the mere few at BMW.
>
>microsoft is not the BMW of OSes, it is the yugo.
>
Ah, that would explain the Yugo's prolonged dominance of the
automobile industry.
>>
>> Give me a fucking break. Lunix is finally becoming a real-world OS, as
>> opposed to the hobbyist OS it started life as.
>
>and windows is finally becoming a real world os, as opposed
>to the hobbyist os it started out to be.
>
You're nuts. Windows was a real-world OS before Lunix ever got off its
creator's hard drive.
>>
>> And look what's
>> happening to it as a result: years between major kernel updates,
>
>Actually, there has been constant work on the kernel,
>something like 4-5 updates monthly.
>
Development snapshots are useless for real-world work.
>>
>> mutually incompatible distributions,
>
>I haven't found any - could you name two?
>
Sure. Name any two that aren't based on the same "root" distribution.
Any two that ship with different kernels, X revisions, libraries,
package managers, etc.
>>
>> distribution-specific 3d-party
>> software,
>
>such as?
>
Most of it, really.
>>
>> GUI wars, a mountain of unfinished crap software,
>
>like what?
>
Most of it, really.
>>
>> and worst
>> of all, the deadly embrace of those horrible proprietary commercial
>> corporations (like IBM).
>
>Oh yeah, that billion dollar investment is a real pain.
>I'd like some more of that "deadly embrace", please!
>
So, ya think IBM will ever want a return on that investment? Or will
they continue playing nice with the open source kiddies forever?
>>
>> You Lunix zealots should have kept this
>> wonderful OS to yourselves;
>
>No, it's waaay too good for that.
>
I understand, but you'll only go so far with your tactics. Study the
lesson of the Amiga. If you go on acting like shitheads with your Yugo
analogies, people will look elsewhere just to spite you.
>>
>> now that it's in the radar range of the
>> commercial world, you may not like what it ends up turning into.
>
>It turns into exactly what Linus decides.
>
Heh. Linus is just the kernel guru. The OS as a whole has never been
in his control.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 21:13:22 GMT
On Sun, 28 Jan 2001 21:40:17 +0100, Mig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Yes.. the desktop is the battlefield.... and who knows Windows desktop
>better than Linux users that mostly come from the Windows enviroment?
The desktop may be a battlefield but there is an important difference.
The Winvocates have bullets in their guns :(
Sorry Linsux....
.
>
>And its allways about XFree86- an application that runs almost perfectly on
>my desktop.. they are not aware of the fact that its just an implementation
>of X and that one can buy other Xservers.
And Mig you give a perfect example of exactly why Linsux is a non
contender on the desktop.
WE DON"T GIVE 2 SHIT"S WHAT THE CAUSE OF THE PROBLEM IS!!
We only care that there is a problem, and it should be fixed or we
will move elsewhere in time.
As far as Windows users are concerned Linux is the CDROM they buy.
If it hangs every time they run Netscape, then as far as they are
concerned Linux sucks because Windows doesn't hang every time Netscape
is run.
While you Penguinista's may be correct in identifying what component
of Linux causes the problem, all the while you are spouting it off, we
have moved on.
Flatfish
Why do they call it a flatfish?
Remove the ++++ to reply.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Grant Edwards)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 16:59:53 GMT
In article <9516hv$hru$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Joseph T. Adams wrote:
>RMS has nothing to do with "Open Source,"
[...]
>he may have popularized, written, and supported a great deal of
>it [OS Software]
That doesn't sound like having "nothing to do with Open Source"
to me.
--
Grant Edwards grante Yow! Gibble, Gobble, we
at ACCEPT YOU...
visi.com
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From: Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: KULKIS IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 21:11:54 GMT
Edward Rosten wrote:
>
> In article <2nXc6.249$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Joe Malloy"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Tholes Tholen:
> >
> >> >>> 1) Get off your retarded ass...
> >>
> >> >> You're erroneously presupposing that I have a "retarded ass" to
> > get
> >> >> off of, Kulkis.
> >>
> >> > You're sitting on it, retard.
> >>
> >> Still making the same erroneous presupposition, even after I
> > called
> >> your attention to it.
> >
> > Still incapable of understanding Kulkis, I see, Tholen. Let's just say
> > Kulkis sees things correctly, if stridently.
>
> AAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!
>
> Its going to be another Tholen vs. Malloy thread.
>
> Why don't you start up a group:
>
> comp.tholen.vs.malloy
>
> And argue away on that?
Illogical.
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From: CR Lyttle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: M$ websites down again - Problem solved -> use Linux!
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 21:16:05 GMT
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> "CR Lyttle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> > >
> > > "CR Lyttle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > This is too funny! MS has outsourced its DNS to a company servers are
> > > > using a "networking implementation very similar to that of Linux."
> > > >
> > > > This is even worse for them than the original event. They now have to
> > > > admit they can't run a big network and switch to people running Linux!
> > >
> > > MS outsourced part of it's DNS to provide geographical seperation of
> it's
> > > DNS servers. It hardly matters what servers the outsourcing firm uses,
> so
> > > long as they can provide the service. MS has done similar things
> before,
> > > for instance it's MSN user homepages are outsourced to a company running
> > > FreeBSD or Linux IIRC.
> > >
> > > Outsourcing is not a sign of "Our products can't handle this" but rather
> "We
> > > can't do everything in one location, and we don't have any other
> datacenters
> > > in other parts of the country".
>
> <space inserted since you can't seem to be bothered with proper formatting>
>
> > Yeah, right. Like MS only owns one building and that building has only
> > one free room. Perhaps they only have one phone line too. So, I'm
> > suppose to trust my business to a company too cheap to rent a closet in
> > New York or Florida?
>
> More than 95% of MS technical buildings are all in the Seattle area.
>
> Have you any idea how long it takes to get a new T3 or OC connection
> installed? Call up your local phone company and ask. Typically it takes
> 3-6 months, if you're VERY lucky. This is not something MS could have had
> done in 3 or 4 days, no matter how much money they threw at it. The Akamai
> servers are extra redunancy, that's it.
So are you saying MS hasn't been doing Internet for more than 3 months
or that Bell South couldn't get a T3 connection done in the last 10
years? Or is it that buildings are sooooo expensive in Mississippi that
MS couldn't afford to buy one?
--
Russ
<http://www.flash.net/~lyttlec>
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From: Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: KULKIS IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 21:13:30 GMT
"David T. Johnson" wrote:
>
> Is anything that can be done about Kulkis and his foul mouth?
Since he doesn't change his ID, I think the solution is fairly obvious if you
don't want to read his postings.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kevin Ford)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: 3100 W2K Adv Servers deployed accross Europe
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 17:14:02 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Chad Myers once wrote:
>
>"Steve Mading" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:94qdeg$13mm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> : "Steve Mading" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> : news:94nnig$8o8$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> :>
>> :> I don't need to see it. It isn't possible to get better than 100%.
>> :> EVERYTHING in Unix is remotable. The best anyone can do is to match
>> :> that, but it isn't physically possible to actually beat it.
>>
>> : Windows Terminal Services + Microsoft Management Console provides
>> : better than telnet remotability.
>>
>> That's nice. Now wake up and look at the calender. UNIX *also*
>> provides better than telnet remotability.
>
>Not really. They're all variations of telnet (SSH, etc). Some
>of their applications have web-based administration components
>which are usually horribly slow and semi-broken.
>
>Nothing like MMC or the speed of WTS.
>
MMC is a joke and you know it.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kevin Ford)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: 3100 W2K Adv Servers deployed accross Europe
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 17:18:01 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Chad Myers once wrote:
>
>"J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Chad Myers wrote:
>>
>> > Who holds the #1 - #4 spots on the TPC.org TPC-C performance rankings?
>>
>> Just the fact that chad asks the question tells us that
>> there are some windows pcs there -
>>
>> My prediction is that these windows records will
>> be broken by Unix systems - maybe solaris, maybe
>> aix, maybe Linux, maybe all of the above, but they
>> will not stand.
>
>The Unixes had leap frogged for years, then Win2K came
>in and blew them away. There may be one that takes the
>lead, but MS will be right back up there before long.
>
>As far as Linux on the TPC, please, don't make me laugh.
>Linux isn't even ON the tpc, ANYWHERE, let alone on the
>leader board.
>
Windows 2000 couldn't even reliably server quake 3 for 6
people for us last night.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kevin Ford)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: 3100 W2K Adv Servers deployed accross Europe
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 17:30:00 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Chad Myers once wrote:
>
>"J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Jan Johanson wrote:
>>
>> > Those records broke every unix record ever held. There has never been a
>> > single linux appearence in the TPC benchmarks because linux lack enterprise
>> > scalability and performance and lacks an appropriate database.
>>
>> Let's consider the fallacies in your statement -
>>
>> 1. "Linux lacks enterprise scalability"
>>
>> This statement indicates you are out of your depth here,
>> and merely parroting the party line. Had you just finished
>> reading microsoft's hilarious "Linux Myths" page?
>
>The obvious question is, why isn't Linux on the TPC? Surely,
>if it was the best, IBM would be looking for any reason to
>oust MS from #1-#4 on the tpc. The answer is, Linux isn't
>anywhere near ready. It just doesn't have the infrastructure
>necessary to compete on the level of Win2K, AIX, Solaris, etc.
>
>Likewise, there's no high-caliber database for Linux. There's
>Oracle, but from what I've heard, it doesn't perform anywhere
>near the way it does on Win2K and Solaris.
>
>What about a transaction processor? Is there any enterprise-class
>transaction processor for Linux?
>
>Perhaps you should think a little before speaking from your anus.
>
I've never really heard of this TPC before.... sounds like something
companies use when it suits them.
You have to consider that entering this tpc thing isn't free.
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From: CR Lyttle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: M$ websites down again - Problem solved -> use Linux!
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 21:19:12 GMT
Les Mikesell wrote:
>
> "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:RLKc6.86$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > "CR Lyttle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > This is too funny! MS has outsourced its DNS to a company servers are
> > > using a "networking implementation very similar to that of Linux."
> > >
> > > This is even worse for them than the original event. They now have to
> > > admit they can't run a big network and switch to people running Linux!
> >
> > MS outsourced part of it's DNS to provide geographical seperation of it's
> > DNS servers. It hardly matters what servers the outsourcing firm uses, so
> > long as they can provide the service. MS has done similar things before,
> > for instance it's MSN user homepages are outsourced to a company running
> > FreeBSD or Linux IIRC.
> >
> > Outsourcing is not a sign of "Our products can't handle this" but rather
> "We
> > can't do everything in one location, and we don't have any other
> datacenters
> > in other parts of the country".
>
> What I'd like to know about this particular incident is how many calls
> did Microsoft's customer service take about the problem, and how
> did they dismiss each one for a whole day before anyone bothered
> to investigate and fix the problem?
>
> A mistake in router configuration is easy enough to make, and probably
> everyone who works with them has made a mistake or two, so I
> don't think the fact that a mistake happened should be taken too
> seriously (although a design that allows such a simple mistake to
> take down access to a large network is certainly a bad thing).
> However, this kind of mistake can be fixed in minutes once someone
> realizes there is a problem. My question, and I hope some magazines
> will answer this in public, is: why and how did the telephone support
> people who must have been fielding thousands of calls about this
> keep the fact that a problem existed away from the people who could
> have fixed it? I think this foretells the future of .NET better than
> anything we could have imagined, and is also the problem I have with
> most commercial products. The main thing you pay for is a huge front
> line of telephone support people that not only can't do anything to solve
> a real problem, but consider it their job to keep the issue away from the
> people who can.
>
> Les Mikesell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I want to know why it wasn't noticed immediately and why it took 24
hours to fix. MS claims reinstalling the OS is easy, so why, once it was
discovered did it take more than 10-15 minutes to install the old
configuration from backup? Perhaps they don't do backups?
--
Russ
<http://www.flash.net/~lyttlec>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kevin Ford)
Subject: Re: All this Whistler stuff.
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 17:30:52 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mart van de Wege once wrote:
>Nigel wrote:
>
>>> (and yeah I am posting this from windows, 'cause
>>
>>> my NIC refuses to work under linux. I do have an idea why not
>>
>>> though, and I may get it fixed soon)
>>
>>
>>
>> Try posting the make and model of your netcard (and any other
>>
>> relevant data) here and maybe you will get some help?
>
>Ok,
>
>It's a 3com 905C, and according to the vortex-diag program it
>appears stuck in half-duplex. Using 'insmod 3c59x full_duplex=1'
>it should go into full-duplex, which is what my cable modem
>requires, yet after loading the module vortex-diag still reports
>it as being in half-duplex mode. I tried 3com's 3c90x driver, but
>I seem to have a kernel symbol mismatch when compiling it. That's
>irrelevant though, as the 3c59x driver should work according to
>3com itself.
>As to what happens when it attempts connection: it sends out a
>PADI packet (my ISP uses PPPoE) then times out waiting for a
>reply. This seems to be consistent with the half-duplex
>situation. The reasoning is as follows: the card sends the
>packet, then waits for a handshake to switch to receive,
>meanwhile the cable modem doesn't send any handshake signals, but
>returns a PADO packet immediately. Since the NIC doesn't answer,
>both it and the modem time out.
>Hope I am making sense, as I am still busy hacking up things and
>learning,
>
What kernel version are you trying to use?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kevin Ford)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.microsoft.sucks
Subject: Re: Global Configuration tool (WAS: Re: linux does NOT suck (oh yes it does)
)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 17:37:16 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Chris Ahlstrom once wrote:
>Raymond Patitucci wrote:
>>
>> UNIX is probably better than Windows, but LINUX has a long way
>> to go before it is as good as windows or UNIX.
>
>I don't think the way is as long as you think, but I do think
>Linux coders should not let up in making improvements to what
>is already a great operating system at a great price.
>
The price is the thing. We can get ten Linux servers as good or
better than 1 AIX server, 4 Solaris servers or 3 Windows servers.
This is why Linux rules.
And when you add that it is free to cluster these ten boxes and
not to cluster any of the others then performance and power ramps
up exponentially.
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Whistler, yet another Windows push.
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 21:20:40 GMT
Chris Clement wrote:
> I agree. No Microsoft product is going to kill Linux. But might I add that
> Linux is definitely "rock solid" as long as it is run at the command line.
Yes, as a server it can do it all without the GUI.
>
> Add a GUI and it is not nearly as stable.
I run blackbox, icewm, helix gnome and simply haven't
seen any instability in X. Netscape is another matter, it
goes catatonic while resolving names, and often dumps
core with a bus error. Oh well, restart netscape and we
continue.
<sidetrack>
I am encouraged by the development of mozilla
however, I had wondered if there would ever be a usable
browser to show for all the effort, but with mozilla 0.7 I am
starting to think they've got a handle on it.
Mozilla 0.7 actually handled some sites that would crash
netscape 4.76 instantly with a bus error. I like the look and
feel, and the themes are nice too. Once they finish up and
remove the debugging code it should really rock.
</sidetrack>
OTOH X11 itself has been rock solid all along - I keep
the computer on all day every day - I browse the web for
hours, I listen to mp3s, I stop and play quake 3 arena
for a few minutes, or a few hours - and I just can't find
any flakiness there, at all.
> Personally, I use Red Hat Linux 7
> on my laptop and have found it to be quite good, but crashes do happen.
> Although I would have no problem running it as a server from the command
> line, W2K is much more stable in an GUI environment. But I must say, RH7
> is 1000 times better than when I used RH5.2. If the trend continues, Linux
> very well may catch up to Microsoft in this regard. I certainly hope so.
I use windows every day, but I find Linux more agreeable.
YMMV of course.
jjs
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From: CR Lyttle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: M$ websites down again - Problem solved -> use Linux!
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 21:20:50 GMT
Milton wrote:
> =
> On Sat, 27 Jan 2001 15:42:06 GMT, CR Lyttle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> =
> >Milton wrote:
> >>
> >> On Thu, 25 Jan 2001 04:43:21 GMT, Russ Lyttle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wr=
ote:
> >>
> >> >MS is between a rock and a hard place on this one. First they said =
it
> >> >was their domain servers and they had not been hit by a cracker or =
DOS
> >> >attack. But when someone asked why MS can't fix its own domain name=
> >> >SERVERS, they backtracked and said they were under some kind of cra=
cker
> >> >attack, but Hotmail was still up. Then the reporters said Hotmail w=
as
> >> >down too.
> >> >
> >> >I don't visit their sites or use Hotmail. So, anyone know the lates=
t
> >> >story?
> >>
> >> http://wired.com/news/business/0,1367,41454,00.html
> >> --
> >> =AB=AB=AB=AB=AB=AB=AB=AB=AB=AB=AB=AB=AB=AB=AB=AB=AB=AB=AB=AB=AB=AB=AB=
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> >> Milton B. Hewitt
> >> CAUCE Member - http://www.cauce.org
> >> Proud supporter of the Microsoft Boycott Campaign
> >> http://www.vcnet.com/bms/
> >> =AB=AB=AB=AB=AB=AB=AB=AB=AB=AB=AB=AB=AB=AB=AB=AB=AB=AB=AB=AB=AB=AB=AB=
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> >
> >This is too funny! MS has outsourced its DNS to a company servers are
> >using a "networking implementation very similar to that of Linux."
> =
> Actually it is not similar to Linux.
> =
> *It IS Linux.*
> =
> http://www.akamai.com/html/en/nr/press/press32.html
> "The companies also announced that Akamai will purchase and deploy IBM
> Netfinity enterprise-class servers, running the Linux operating system.=
> =
> As Akamai expands its network's reach, IBM will be Akamai's primary
> supplier of servers. Furthermore, Akamai will support IBM's
> standards-based roadmap, known as the Application Framework for
> e-business, to help customers, partners, and developers get their
> e-businesses up and running quickly and securely."
> =
> Application Framework for e-business
> http://www-4.ibm.com/software/ebusiness/
> http://www-4.ibm.com/software/ebusiness/standards_based.html
> =
> >This is even worse for them than the original event. They now have to
> >admit they can't run a big network and switch to people running Linux!=
> =
> The DNS service in Active Directory, has now proven itself to be
> severely flawed.
> =
> http://www.lucent-netcare.com/knowledge/whitepapers/win_2k_dns_integrat=
ion.asp
> =
> "It is important to note that Microsoft's implementation of secure DNS
> update does not interoperate with DNS servers that support RFC 2137,
> so currently there is no mechanism to enforce secure DNS updates
> between Windows 2000 systems and a BIND DNS server.
> =
> Note: BIND is what everyone but M$ uses.
> =
> "It is also important to recognize that Windows 2000 DNS only provides
> secure updates when the DNS zones are configured as Active Directory
> Integrated zones. If a Windows 2000 DNS server contains zones that are
> configured as Standard Primary zones, *no security is provided.*
> =
> The lack of secure updates between Windows 2000 and BIND will likely
> cause problems for a number of organizations. We'll discuss some
> options for these organizations in a section below entitled "DNS
> Implementation Strategies."
> =
> Apparently, these problems bit M$ in the ass.
> =
> Also
> NET is built on the premise of %100 reliability of Active Directory and=
> it's implementation of DNS, therefore .NET is DOA.
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> Milton B. Hewitt
> CAUCE Member - http://www.cauce.org
> Proud supporter of the Microsoft Boycott Campaign
> http://www.vcnet.com/bms/
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i just quoted the article. The reporter seemed reluctant to admit that
Linux saved MS.
-- =
Russ
<http://www.flash.net/~lyttlec>
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