Linux-Advocacy Digest #862, Volume #30 Wed, 13 Dec 00 21:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Caifornia power shortage... (Russ Lyttle)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! (Marty)
Re: Predicting the Future ("Bracy")
Re: Sun Microsystems and the end of Open Source ("Bracy")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! (OT) (humor) (Marty)
Re: Caifornia power shortage... ("Almighty Muta")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! (OT) (humor) (Marty)
Re: Linux is awful ("Almighty Muta")
Call for Papers: LCTES 2001 (ACM SIGPLAN Workshop) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks. (Bob Hauck)
Re: From CNN: Shell Oil to Use Linux Supercomputer (Bob Hauck)
Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks. (Bob Hauck)
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? (Bob Hauck)
Re: Predicting the Future (Swangoremovemee)
Re: Sun Microsystems and the end of Open Source ("Chad C. Mulligan")
Re: Sun Microsystems and the end of Open Source (Swangoremovemee)
Re: Uptimes ("Almighty Muta")
Re: Whistler review. (Ed Allen)
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From: Russ Lyttle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Caifornia power shortage...
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 00:59:14 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> Russ Lyttle wrote:
> >
> > kiwiunixman wrote:
> > >
> > > Its the environmental run off (nuclear waste) that is the major cause of
> > > concern. Since NZ went Nuclear free around 14 years ago (which
> > > pissed-off the US navy) we have had no problems producing electricity
> > > from Hydro, Steam, natural gas and wind.
> > >
> > > kiwiunixman
> > >
> > > <snype>
> > The amount of nuclear waste produced is minute. Wait a few years until
> > the hydroelect dams all silt up. We have THAT problem here in the US
> > with the TVA dams. They are going out of service because all the silt
> > has turned the lake into a swamp that even the ducks avoid. In the NW,
>
> Typical government-run project. A commercial entity would have dredged
> the lakes on a continual basiis.
>
A commercial entity would not have built them in the first place. The
rivers in nature did not carry that much silt. But the lake covers lots
of land that errodes fast under the constant change in lake level. It is
not economically possible to dredge the lakes fast enough to keep them
clean. besides, where do you put all the stuff dredged up?
Hydroelectric power *kills* land even faster than strip mining coal.
> > the dams are killing off the Salmon fish. Your grandkids will curse you
> > for destroying the beautiful country you inhabit : Turn the rivers into
> > muck with overgrazing sheep and hydroelectric dams.
> > --
> > Russ Lyttle, PE
> > <http://www.flash.net/~lyttlec>
> > Not Powered by ActiveX
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
--
Russ Lyttle, PE
<http://www.flash.net/~lyttlec>
Not Powered by ActiveX
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From: Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 01:04:56 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> When you finally realize how utterly worthless your life is...
> remember to slit lengthwise.
>
> Or maybe you can offer yourself to one of the local Hawaiian volcano gods.
No need to anger them.
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From: "Bracy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Predicting the Future
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 00:59:59 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Charlie Ebert"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There is something to be said for Debian {My Distribution} VS the
> others. Debian is not version # happy.
>
> It can be read that distributions which have no version # focus are
> probably concentrating on other issues.
>
> We could draw a similar parallel between FreeBSD and OpenBSD.
Heh! Yeah, I'm not knocking Debian, I just thought it was kinda funny
how the other distributions are rapidly getting up there in the high
version numbers while Debian slowly is no such hurry.
Actually, I'm kinda surprised to see Slackware up there in the 7.x range.
Bracy
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From: "Bracy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sun Microsystems and the end of Open Source
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 01:07:22 GMT
1. Are you implying that StarOffice was open-source before Sun acquired
them?
2. How is it useless? StarOffice has the best import/export filters for
Word97 documents that I've ever seen. Heck, I even use to do my resume.
3. I've never received a single spam message from Sun after downloading
StarOffice 5.1 a year ago, or after downloading 5.2 earlier this year.
Bracy
In article <YCCZ5.5579$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Chad C. Mulligan"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Open source is dying. It is being hijacked by the Corporate big wigs.
> Sun, Corel, Redhat and IBM are doing everyone a favor by destroying the
> anarchy that is open source software. I just started a download of
> StarOffice
> 5.2.
> (no new development since its appropriation by Sun over a year ago) and
> had to submit a lengthy registration document and license agreement with
> Sun. Free software indeed. Now I have an additional, largely useless,
> office application, but I'll be bombarded by advertising from Sun. I'd
> rather pay and not have these intrusions into my life.
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From: Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus! (OT) (humor)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 01:18:22 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Marty writes:
>
> >>>>>> David Ogg writes:
>
> >>>>>>> Wow, you three should get a room!
>
> >>>>>> Counting problems?
>
> >>>>> See what I mean about his illogic?
>
> >>>> What alleged illogic, Marty?
>
> >>> Are you suggesting that a counting problem is an attribute indicative
> >>> of being logical?
>
> >> I wasn't suggesting anything, Marty; I was asking a question.
>
> > Then why use the word "alleged"?
>
> Because you alleged illogic on my part, Marty.
I see that you are having more reading comprehension problems. Why would I
respond to you and refer to you in the third person?
> I see that you still haven't substantiated your claim.
I haven't made such a claim in this discussion.
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From: "Almighty Muta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Caifornia power shortage...
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 01:20:21 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
<Huge snip>
>
> Any salt mine will do. The mere existance of crystalized salt proves
> that the location has no problems with ground-water infiltration
You're suggesting tearing down the Fermi II nuclear plant which hasn't
worked in years and bury it under Detroit?
You are an idiot!
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
Your large sig suggests you are insecure with the size of your penis.
Muta
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From: Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus! (OT) (humor)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 01:19:30 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Marty writes:
>
> >>> David Ogg wrote:
>
> >>>> Wow, you three should get a room!
>
> >>> PS: Thanks for providing the new "seed" for another "logical debate".
> >>> The old one was pretty-much spent.
>
> >> More like a new "infantile game" of yours, Marty.
>
> > Or more accurately, another opportunity for you to spew invective with
> > impunity.
>
> What alleged "invective", Marty?
DT] More like a new "infantile game" of yours, Marty.
> >> But you don't need any seed for that.
>
> > On the contrary, I do, given that I have no idea how to play this
> > alleged "infantile game".
>
> Illogical, given that you described your behavior that way.
Prove that I have described my current behavior this way, if you think you
can.
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From: "Almighty Muta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 01:23:13 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> Precisely. At work, we have 10-year old HP's that started out
> running HP-UX 9.04 and are now running HP-UX 11.x
>
> Microsoft-running machines could NEVER survive two major OS releases.
I have a ton a Sun NeWsHiT that SuN only supported for a year.
Muta
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
Your large sig suggests you are insecure with the size of your penis.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Call for Papers: LCTES 2001 (ACM SIGPLAN Workshop)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 01:28:28 GMT
========================================================================
Call for Papers
ACM SIGPLAN 2001 Workshop on
Languages, Compilers, and Tools for Embedded Systems (LCTES'2001)
Snowbird, Utah, June 22 - 23, 2001
(in conjunction with PLDI'2001)
http://redwood.snu.ac.kr/lctes2001/
As the complexity of the application domains for the embedded systems
increases, new research challenges are encountered for achieving
desired level of performance goals (which could be diverse such as
speed, real time constraints, code size, power, and scalability).
Due to limited resources locally available, embedded systems are
increasingly used in a networked (wired, wireless, as well as mobile)
environment. In addition, advances in hardware reflect into solving
issues using a combination of hardware and software techniques.
The aim of LCTES is to provide a forum for discussing the latest
research related to the above trends and to allow researchers and
developers working on different aspects to get together and synergize.
Original submissions are invited in all areas relevant to this theme.
Appropriate topics include, but are not limited to the following
aspects of embedded systems:
* Programming Languages and Optimization for Embedded Systems
- real-time and embedded Java
- exception and interrupt handling for embedded systems
- memory management and garbage collection
- compiler optimizations w.r.t. performance, code size, and power
consumption
- dynamic optimizations involving code slicing, binary-to-binary
translation for re-targetting optimized code
- program analysis (abstract interpretation, compiler transformation,
static analysis)
- code selection, register allocation and instruction scheduling for
irregular architectures
- languages and compilers for digital signal processors
* System Software for Embedded Systems
- embedded real-time operating systems
- distributed embedded systems
- embedded middleware
- embedded Internet
- home networking (HomeRF, Bluetooth, Powerline Communications, etc.)
- information appliances
* Design and Analysis Tools for Embedded Systems
- formal specification and verification
- object-oriented modeling and design
- integration and testing
- profiling, measurement, and debugging
- scheduling and timing analysis for real-time systems
- development tools and environments
* Hardware/Software Codesign
- configurable processors (memories, data paths, register files, etc.)
- processor architecture tradeoffs for code density, size and power
- network processors and routers
- wireless hub processors
- retargetable development tools/compiler design automation
* Standardization
- inter-operability and systems design
- legacy issues and re-engineering
Papers should report new research and should not exceed 6000 words
(approximately 10 typeset on 16-point spacing), including figures and
references (11 pages). Short papers that describe existing
implementations or work-in-progress, or outline new problems or
important issues are also welcome. Short papers should not exceed 3000
words (6 pages). All accepted papers will be presented at the workshop
and published in the proceedings, which will be distributed at the
workshop. We anticipate that the proceedings will be published as an
issue of the ACM SIGPLAN Notices.
Electronic submissions must be received by 5:00 PM Eastern Standard
Time,Sunday, February 25, 2001. Interactive submissions through the
workshop's web page are encouraged. Submissions may also be sent as a
single e-mail message to either of the program co-chairs (MIME
attachments are allowed); the message should contain both the filled-
out form (see web page) and the Postscript paper. Electronic papers
should be in Postscript form, which must be interpretable by
Ghostscript. The Postscript must use standard fonts, or include the
necessary fonts, and must be prepared for USLetter (8.5"x11") or A4
page sizes. Authors who cannot meet these requirements should submit 15
hard copies by post to either of the program co-chairs by airmail that
must be received on or before February 25, 2001. These are firm
constraints; submissions not meeting the criteria described above
will not be considered.
========================================================================
Important Dates
* papers due: Feb. 25, 2001 (5pm EST)
* author notification: Apr. 15, 2001
* final papers due: May. 19, 2001
========================================================================
Co-Chairs
Seongsoo Hong Santosh Pande
School of Electrical Engineering College of Computing
Seoul National University 801 Atlantic Drive
Seoul 151-742 Georgia Institute of Technology
KOREA Atlanta, GA 30332
USA
phone: +82-2-880-8370 phone: +1-404-385-2169,
fax: 882-4656 fax: 385-2295
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
========================================================================
Tentative Program Committee
* Guido Araujo, University of Campinas, Brazil
* David August, Princeton University, USA
* Kiyoung Choi, Seoul National University, Korea
* Keith D. Cooper, Rice University, USA
* Srinivas Devadas, MIT, USA
* Helen Gill, NSF/DARPA, USA
* Rajiv Gupta, University of Arizona, USA
* Mary Hall, USC-ISI, USA
* Mahmut Kandemir, Penn State University, USA
* Rainer Leupers, University of Dortmund, Germany
* David Levine, Analog Devices Inc., USA
* Annie Liu, State University of New York, USA
* Sang Lyul Min, Seoul National University, Korea
* Soo-Mook Moon, Seoul National University, Korea
* Frank Mueller, Humboldt University Berlin, Germany
* Tatsuo Nakajima, Waseda University, Japan
* Alex Nicolau. University of California, Irvine, USA
* Carl Von Platen, IAR Systems, Sweden
* J. Ramanujam, Louisiana State University, USA
* Manas Saksena, TimeSys, USA
* Reid Tatge, Texas Instruments, USA
* Gang-Ryung Uh, Lucent Technologies, USA
* David Whalley, Florida State University, USA
=======================================================================
Steering Committee
* Azer Bestavros, Boston University, USA
* Jack Davidson, University of Virginia, USA
* Richard Gerber, University of Maryland, USA
* Rajiv Gupta, University of Arizona, USA
* Annie Liu, Indiana University, USA
* Thomas Marlowe, Seton Hall University, USA
* Sang Lyul, Min Seoul National University, Korea
* Frank Mueller, Humboldt University Berlin, Germany
* Bill Pugh, University of Maryland, USA
* David Whalley, Florida State University, USA
* Reinhard Wilhelm, University of the Saarland, Germany
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks.
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 01:43:41 GMT
On Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:32:21 +0200, Ayende Rahien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>They *request* reboot, that it a flaw in the installer, they don't *need*
>reboot.
And how are we poor non-Wizards supposed to know which do and which don't?
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: From CNN: Shell Oil to Use Linux Supercomputer
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 01:43:40 GMT
On Wed, 13 Dec 2000 02:34:17 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>First there was Telia, the largest ISP in Scandinavia. Then there was
>this big win with Shell Oil. And today the announcement that IBM had
>won the infrastructure bid for Keio University in Japan, described as a
>major campus-wide network contract.
>
>So... how many more of these before the detractors grudgingly admit that
>maybe, just maybe, Linux is ready for prime-time?
Oh, they're already admitting it indirectly by the way their arguments
have changed. Two years ago Linux was "just a hobby thing" that would
never catch on at all because "the big players don't" support it. Now,
after the biggest players are supporting it and Linux is making big
strides in the server and embedded spaces, the story has changed to "it
won't ever catch on on the desktop" because it "has ugly fonts and poor
high-end sound support". This ratcheting up of the claims of what Linux
won't ever do demonstrates for the gallery the things that it does do
and what they are worried about it doing next.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks.
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 01:43:43 GMT
On 12 Dec 2000 19:59:22 -0800, Tim Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Why would an ejection seat be useless in a helicopter? (Hint: some
>ejection seats eject down).
Do they have an altitude interlock? It wouldn't do to eject down from a
hover at 50 feet.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 01:43:45 GMT
On 13 Dec 2000 22:28:33 GMT, Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>: Yes...the term liberal (root: liber = freedom) has been absconded
>: with by the freedom-hating socialists.
>
>Then why help then mis-use it? Stop calling them liberals then.
If he called the Democrats "socialists" or "communists" then people
would think he's an extremist nutcase.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: Swangoremovemee<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Predicting the Future
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 01:53:22 GMT
The truth does often hurt Dennis. In time you will get used to it and
it will hurt less and less each time.
Sounds like you might have bought high and are now stuck with
essentially useless stock.
Swango
On Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:28:46 -0500, "Dennis Popov" <dp004i@mail>
wrote:
>pl0nk!
>
>Swangoremovemee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:22:23 GMT, "Bracy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >Considering we already have at least four distributions who have reached
>> >the "Version 7.0" range (Mandrake 7.2, Red Hat 7.0, Suse 7.0, Slackware
>> >7.1), I predict that in about four to five years, we'll see the following
>> >headlines:
>> >
>> >"Linux Mandrake Version 34.2 Released!"
>> >"Red Hat 29.0 Now Shipping"
>> >"LinuxWorld Takes a First Looks at SuSE 31.4"
>>
>>
>> Seeing as Redhat is closing down some of it's offices I suspect you
>> may have to remove one of those from your list.
>>
>> Swango
>> "It Don't Mean a Thang if it Ain't Got That Swang"
>
"It Don't Mean a Thang if it Ain't Got That Swang"
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From: "Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Sun Microsystems and the end of Open Source
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 01:53:26 GMT
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:RVEZ5.43108$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:YCCZ5.5579$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Open source is dying. It is being hijacked by the Corporate big wigs.
Sun,
> > Corel, Redhat and IBM are doing everyone a favor by destroying the
anarchy
> > that is open source software. I just started a download of StarOffice
> 5.2.
> > (no new development since its appropriation by Sun over a year ago) and
> had
> > to submit a lengthy registration document and license agreement with
Sun.
> > Free software indeed. Now I have an additional, largely useless, office
> > application, but I'll be bombarded by advertising from Sun. I'd rather
> pay
> > and not have these intrusions into my life.
>
> If you are really interested in the future of open source, why aren't
> you going to http://www.openoffice.org instead of Sun? StarOffice
> never was open source so you can hardly predict a trend in open
> source based on the 5.2 version or anything that happens to it.
>
> Les Mikesell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
It suprises me that all you OSS and GPL developers (the distinction is
really lost on me) really like the fact that you are making large
corporations tons of money on the cuff. IBM, Sun, Corel et. al. must be
laughing all the way to the bank. Will you please explain why you wish to
give away the sweat of your brow?
The rest of these responses were largely idiots explaining how to falsify
registration info or people just up in arms over a simple and true
observation.
>
>
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From: Swangoremovemee<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Sun Microsystems and the end of Open Source
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 01:54:46 GMT
At the rate you are plonking you'll be talking to yourself pretty
soon, if you don't already that is.
Swango
On Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:18:41 -0500, "Dennis Popov" <dp004i@mail>
wrote:
>How about 21 Rodeo Drive
>Beverly Hills, CA 90210
>
>and here's a big !!PL0NK!! you damn troll (Uhm... Hi Claire!)
>
>Chad C. Mulligan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:gIDZ5.6074$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>> "Matthew Soltysiak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >
>> >
>> > "Chad C. Mulligan" wrote:
>> >
>> > > Open source is dying. It is being hijacked by the Corporate big wigs.
>> Sun,
>> > > Corel, Redhat and IBM are doing everyone a favor by destroying the
>> anarchy
>> > > that is open source software.
>> >
>> > Ok???? That's the first time i've heard of that. Open source that's
>> > anarchy. Hmm.
>> >
>> > > I just started a download of StarOffice 5.2.
>> > > (no new development since its appropriation by Sun over a year ago)
>and
>> had
>> > > to submit a lengthy registration document and license agreement with
>> Sun.
>> > > Free software indeed. Now I have an additional, largely useless,
>office
>> > > application, but I'll be bombarded by advertising from Sun. I'd
>rather
>> pay
>> > > and not have these intrusions into my life.
>> >
>> > You don't have to provide your personal information to them. Just fill
>in
>> > their fields with garbage information. Geez.
>> >
>>
>> Wrong Answer. It ran a check on the street address and zipcode.
>>
>> > --
>> > Matthew Soltysiak
>> > Comp Sci/Soft Eng
>> > ICQ: 3063118
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
"It Don't Mean a Thang if it Ain't Got That Swang"
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From: "Almighty Muta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Uptimes
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 01:56:06 GMT
Amazon is having a hell of a time keeping Linux running.
http://uptime.netcraft.com/graph?display=uptime&site=www.amazon.com&find_sit
e=GO
Good thing Christmas isn't their busy season.
Muta
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ed Allen)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 01:58:15 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:45:08 -0500,
>
>What idea has Microsoft brought to the computer
>industry it never had before? What thing did
>Microsoft TRUELY and UNIQUELY INVENT.
>
Per processor licensing and shrinkwrap licenses ?
Their actions in any other industry would have earned them a visit from
the bunko squad but because everyone involved with the legal system
seems to be afraid that software is like magic pixie dust which they
must be careful not to question or it will disappear, Microsoft has
escaped legal scrutiny for twenty years.
--
"Whether you think their witnesses are credible or non-credible;
they've admitted monopoly power, they've admitted raising prices to hurt
consumers, they've admitted depriving consumers of choice...
-DAVID BOIES, US Department of Justice
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