Linux-Advocacy Digest #862, Volume #34 Wed, 30 May 01 21:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux beats Win2K (again) ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Why does Linux / OSS community love mailing lists and hate news servers?
(Michael Sims)
Re: What does XP stands for ??? (Michael Sims)
Re: IBM to let Linux fans use mainframe--for free ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux dead on the desktop. (Terry Porter)
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 19:00:02 -0500
"Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9e8e6n$ino$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9e81s6$7bi$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > DirectX, registry, COM (I know that Solaris has it, how can it compare
> to
> > > Windows' COM?), DCOM, COM+ (This is equilent to J2EE system + Solaris.
> How
> > > many KLOC does WebSphere has?).
> > > Just a couple of things of the top of my head.
> >
> > They support open standards. Grab a SUN box, there will be OpenGL
>
> In NT since 3.5, in 9x since 95 OSR2.
I thought OpenGL was in NT 3.1, and I know for a fact that you could
download the OpenGL update long before OSR2 came out.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 20:02:47 -0400
"Vallely's Dirt in Boss King's Ditch.." wrote:
>
> ANOTHER goddam fantasy! Kulkis, you are truly an idiot.
Spot the denial.
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > > >>>>> Aaron R Kulkis writes:
> > >
> > > Aaron> Grzegorz Borek wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:
> > > >> > Wrong.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > You have no choice over your DESIRES.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > You have COMPLETE control over your actions.
> > > >>
> > > >> Try very hard, and think this over:
> > > >> Who gave gay people their desires?
> > >
> > > Aaron> Would my desire for millions of dollar justify robbing banks
> > >
> > > Aaron> A) yes
> > > Aaron> B) NO
> > >
> > > Aaron> No more questions, your honor.
> > >
> > > Does a bank robber have a victim? Yes.
> >
> > So do gays.
> >
> > Or are you unaware of the numerous people who get Hepatitis from
> > gay restaurant employees
> >
> > >
> > > Hence it is wrong.
> > >
> > > Does consensual sexual relations have a victim? No.
> > >
> > > Hence there is nothing wrong with consensual sexual
> > > relations.
> > >
> > > QED.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Andrew Hall
> > > (Now reading Usenet in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh...)
> >
> > --
> > Aaron R. Kulkis
> > Unix Systems Engineer
> > DNRC Minister of all I survey, homophobe, gynophobe, xenophone, acrophobe,
>acrocephalic..
> > ICQ # 3056642
> >
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 20:04:08 -0400
Ray Fischer wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >> Does a bank robber have a victim? Yes.
> >
> >So do gays.
> >
> >Or are you unaware of the numerous people who get Hepatitis from
> >gay restaurant employees
>
> LOL! What assinine propaganda! There aren't "numerous people" who
> get hpatitis from gay restaurant employees. It's just you're stupid
> hatred again.
Fag gets Hepatitis from anal sex.
Fag contaminates food with Hepatitis.
Hepatitis infects customer
>
> What a stupid asshole you are.
No..the stupid asshole is the one getting reamed by some fag's penis.
>
> --
> Ray Fischer When you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] into you -- Nietzsche
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux beats Win2K (again)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 03:02:53 +0200
"The Ghost In The Machine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Pete Goodwin
> And cmd.exe *still* doesn't like "cd \\domain\host\dir". Even after SP2.
> Unix has never had a problem with this sort of thing, although the
> implementation is slightly different (/net, /nfs, /auto, or /home
> might be used as mountpoints in an automounter, the rough equivalent
> of SMB/UNC.)
cd doesn't work, but most other stuff do.
> >> - portability to other processor platforms such as Sparc,
> >> m68k, ARM, Itanium, Alpha, or the mighty S/390. NT might do some
> >> of them, with a lot of work. (Whatever happened to HAL?)
> >
> >And how many of them are likely to be affordable on the mass market
> >(except m68k)?
>
Actually, that isn't the right question, the right question would be, would
ports of 2K to those arcitectures pay for themselves?
> I'm not sure what Windows has, precisely, but from what I've observed
> regarding resources, it appears that Windows relies far too heavily
> on absolute coordinate positioning, which means that if a font changes
> things start to look very weird. It's convenient to set up from
> within Visual Studio, but that's about it -- and woe betide the user
> who doesn't have the right fonts. Of course, Windows provides lots
> of fonts, too....masking the problem.
I'm not sure what exactly the problem you are describing here, but it sound
like the programmer had used absolute numbers, instead of calaculating the
length of the text.
And didn't check for successful font creation, too.
> >There are Window Managers for Windows, not that I've tried many. Here I
> >agree with you in that Linux has more flexible desktop for eye-candy.
> >Windows XP has added themes, provided you like the old grey style or the
> >new colourful style.
>
> Oh goody! Black or candy-apple red! :-) Gosh what a choice....
Hi, there is also (pretty) grayscale when you are exchanging themes.
Actually, that is not quite true. There *are* other shells for windows.
I looked at the screen shots, and didn't really like what I saw, though.
YMMV.
http://www.execulink.com/~brus/cobrasoft/screenshot.jpg
http://www.lighttek.com/bigjup.jpg
http://www.astonshell.com/pic/astonss.jpg
This application is called Doorz 3000
http://redrival.com/gunsoft/doorz/shots/desktoplarge.JPG
For more:
http://download.cnet.com/downloads/0,10151,0-1461983-106-0-1-0,00.html?tag=s
t.dl.1461977.dir.1461983
BTW, I think you will *love* this application:
http://download.cnet.com/downloads/0-1461983-100-1519706.html?tag=st.dl.1461
983-106-1.lst-1-4.1519706
Here is its screen shot (but pay attention to download's description) page:
http://www.particlestreamstudios.com/shots.html
I browsed around and found out that Win2000 can do trasperant windows, and a
host of other things (if the server wasn't so slow, I would have gotten to
use them), apperantly.
>From what it says, it seems like the XP theming infrastructure seems to be
included in Win2K as well.
http://download.cnet.com/downloads/0-1461985-100-5068303.html?tag=st.dl.1461
985-106-1.lst-0-8.5068303
(If you can download this, please send it to me, I d/l it as 100bytes at
best, and never managed to download more than 25KB.
If it wasn't for Apple's lawyers, I might have tried writing a Win2K OS-X
shell, then again, I hate GUI programming.
This site proclaim itself as better interface to windows, check the screen
shots:
http://www.easysoftwareuk.com/ctrl.htm
I've also found a base convertor (hex to oct to dec) for merely 8$, too. :-D
> I'll admit that COM might be more flexible than pipes/sockets/shared
memory.
To point out the obvious, Windows uses sockets.
I do like the idea behind COM. Kind of like the
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 19:07:23 -0500
"Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9f3vh9$rpg$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:RsdR6.4508$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> XP will not require huge amounts of upgrades. It will likely
> > require 32MB (64 to be useable) just like 98, and it will run fine on a
> P133
> > and up.
>
> No, it won't.
> It requires 233Mhz and I believe 64MB to run.
> 128MB is recommended.
For the beta. That's similar to the requirements that Windows 2000 had in
beta, and it was eventually reduced to a P133/32MB. It may require a bit
more memory because of the new interface, but if you don't use it, it should
give similar memory requirements.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.arch,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 20:13:23 -0400
Anonymous wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> > Which is getting them in trouble with the SEC for trying to use
> > their stock-holdings revenue to cover up for the underwhelming
> > sales of Lose2000 and LoseME
>
> Do you mean their investment income?
>
> That's always listed as a separate item
> on their income statement.
By LAW, yes. But, as we know, Mafia$oft has very little respect for
the law, and moved a lot of their blackmail income into the "sales" column.
>
> Also, any cash flow from operations
> and financing activities are also
> separated.
Yes, that's the way the LAW reads...but Mafai$oft is not known for
even recognizing the law, let along following it.
>
> These are all defined by GAAP
> (Generally Accepted Accounting Principles).
>
> CEOs may attempt to mislead investors
> by highlighting only net income. But
> the astute investor should know how
> to look at the details carefully in the
> SEC 10-Q filing.
>
> >
> > >
> > > Their biggest liability is their size.
> > > It makes them a lot less agile and less
> > > responsive to customers.
> > >
> > > unicat wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The following are the editorial opinions of the author- no more
> > > > no less...
> > > >
> > > > While the bloated giant Microsoft is buying favorable publicity
> > > > in News-fluff magazines with promises of big chunks of
> > > > advertising for the X-flop video game, smart firms are realizing
> > > > the truth - Microsoft is in serious trouble.
> > > >
> > > > Not that they don't have loads of cash on hand, they can create
> > > > imaginary cashflow any time they want just by moving their own
> > > > money from one pocket to the other...
> > > >
> > > > But they are not capturing the hearts and minds of the techno-
> > > > savvy, and their standards are going over like the proverbial turd
> > > > in a punchbowl. Active directory, the MS proprietary version of XML,
> > > > and the .net initiative, all are seeing adoption rates down around 1/5th
> > > >
> > > > of the overall market.
> > > >
> > > > But worse, major manufacturers are beginnning to break ranks. IBM will
> > > > spend a billion dollars beefing up Linux this year, and HP is not far
> > > > behind.
> > > >
> > > > Sun, which has done the best of any of the UNIX vendors mostly because
> > > > of their
> > > > steadfast refusal to corrupt their product line with MS pollution, has
> > > > now bought
> > > > a manufacturer of Linux servers to augment its low-end systems.(Sun, by
> > > > the way,
> > > > is roughly the same size as MS, why everyone gets so excited about a
> > > > pipsqueak company like MS is beyond me).
> > > >
> > > > But one development that should have rocked the newsworld is that
> > > > struggling
> > > > UNIX maker SGI is dropping all support for MS Windows based platforms.
> > > >
> > > > This is so illustrative of the real nature of the computer marketplace
> > > > that it bears
> > > > more examination. Two years ago, a troubled SGI fell under the influence
> > > > of MS, and
> > > > was seduced into adding a WNT workstation to its product line. But
> > > > instead of a windfall
> > > > the new systems caused a near collapse of the company. Customers lost
> > > > confidence in
> > > > SGI's core UNIX systems, fearing that they would eventually be phased
> > > > out, sales
> > > > plumetted, and the stock fell from $24 to $2. Finally coming to their
> > > > senses, SGI has excorsized
> > > > the MS demon, refocused on UNIX (and Linux) and is now on the road to
> > > > recovery.
> > > > BTW - their stock is an incredibly undervalued bargain, you could buy
> > > > the whole company for
> > > > less than the value of their assets.
> > > >
> > > > SGI is hardly a market leader, but their realization of the detrimetnal
> > > > effect of supporting
> > > > windows simply reinforces the mass move away from Microsoft being
> > > > carried out more
> > > > surreptitiously by the larger manufacturers.
> > > >
> > > > Microsoft isn't laying still, they are hedging their bets by
> > > > diversifying into hardware. They
> > > > have announced the X-box (how you make money by selling a box that you
> > > > have to subsidize
> > > > by 1/3 of its sales price remains a mystery, but it might explain rumors
> > > > that production levels
> > > > are being held back significantly - bad news for games authors, but hey,
> > > > dance with the devil,
> > > > and you deserve what you get). And of course there is the new Microsoft
> > > > PC, which will attempt
> > > > to do away with all legacy standards(ISA, PCI, parallel ports, serial
> > > > ports, etc.) so that everyone
> > > > is forced to upgrade to it in order to run the new version of Windows
> > > > Xtremely Proprietary.
> > > >
> > > > Or... the hardware makers that MS is betraying MIGHT, just might, decide
> > > > to fight back by investing
> > > > in Linux as an alternative OS..... wait a minute, they're already DOING
> > > > THAT. Maybe PC makers
> > > > aren't as dumb as they look.
> > > >
> > > > Any way, enough MS bashing for now. We'll just close by saying that the
> > > > author will bet anyone reading
> > > > an imaginary nickel that MS stock is down to $10/share by 2003....
> > >
> > > --------== Posted Anonymously via Newsfeeds.Com ==-------
> > > Featuring the worlds only Anonymous Usenet Server
> > > -----------== http://www.newsfeeds.com ==----------
> >
> > --
> > Aaron R. Kulkis
> > Unix Systems Engineer
> > DNRC Minister of all I survey
> > ICQ # 3056642
> >
> > L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
> > can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > K: Truth in advertising:
> > Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
> > Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
> > Special Interest Sierra Club,
> > Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> > Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> > The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> > Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
> >
> > J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> > The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> > also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
> >
> > I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> > challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> > between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> > Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
> >
> > H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> > premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> > you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> > you are lazy, stupid people"
> >
> > G: Knackos...you're a retard.
> >
> > F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> > adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
> >
> > E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> > her behavior improves.
> >
> > D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> > ...despite (C) above.
> >
> > C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
> >
> > B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> > method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> > direction that she doesn't like.
> >
> > A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
>
> --------== Posted Anonymously via Newsfeeds.Com ==-------
> Featuring the worlds only Anonymous Usenet Server
> -----------== http://www.newsfeeds.com ==----------
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Sims)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Why does Linux / OSS community love mailing lists and hate news servers?
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 00:02:10 GMT
On Wed, 30 May 2001 21:53:31 +0200, "Peter T. Breuer"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Look at berolist for an example of at least a 2-way gateway.
Is there a website dedicated to berolist? A web search for "berolist"
mainly turns up message group postings regarding errors with
berolist...just wondering where I could find some more information
about the software. Thanks!
=====================================================================
Michael Sims
mhsims at midsouth dot rr dot com
"The beatings will continue until morale improves."
=====================================================================
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Sims)
Subject: Re: What does XP stands for ???
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 00:03:33 GMT
On Wed, 30 May 2001 14:24:32 GMT, Zsolt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I've seen some rather good, although 'unofficial' explanations about the XP
>abbreviation in
>Windows XP. Let's try to collect them in this thread. Anybody, who has other good
>idead, please
>post them here!
>
>To kick-off the collection, some idea's I've seen so far on this newsgroup:
>
>eXPerimental
>eXtra Problems included
>eXtremely Pathetic
Tilt your head to the left and it looks like an emoticon for a dead
guy w/his tongue stuck out.
=====================================================================
Michael Sims
mhsims at midsouth dot rr dot com
"The beatings will continue until morale improves."
=====================================================================
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: IBM to let Linux fans use mainframe--for free
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 20:19:46 -0400
drsquare wrote:
>
> On Wed, 30 May 2001 09:23:47 -0400, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ("Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
> >drsquare wrote:
>
> >> >This is why you fail.
>
> >> This is why most people killfile you.
>
> >killfiling is conceding defeat.
>
> Defeat in what?
in the debate.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop.
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 31 May 2001 00:18:42 GMT
On Thu, 31 May 2001 07:56:07 +1200,
Stuart Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Wed, 30 May 2001 19:11:23 +0200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
>> ("Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>>
>> >"Karel Jansens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>> >> Besides, you claimed that Windows is ubiquitous because it is the
> better
>> >> O/S. If NT/2K is better than 9x, why is not everybody using that than?
>>
>> >Price, Win2K cost more than 9x.
>> >NT is also aimed more at bussiness, and there are some problems with
>> >compatability with some software.
>> >And NT's drivers can be a lot of hassle.
>> >
>> >But I agree with you, everyone who uses a 9x should stop and use an NT
> based
>> >product.
>>
>> Which will cost them how much? They'll have to fork out for: NT, a
>> bigger hard disk probably, more RAM, a faster processor just to make
>> it all work. Or, they could just get linux, spending absolutely
>> NOTHING.
>
> I read somewhere that Linux is free for those whose time is worth nothing.
Some people believe everything they read.
>
> Of course if they fork out for NT, they'll still be able to run the majority
> of their apps, they won't have to learn to use a completely different OS -
> ie the GUI will still look the same (roughly), and apps will still
> functionthe same.
Linux users credit the masses with having more potential, than Windows users
do. I suppose it comes from our empowerment to make the world as we want it,
not as Microsoft dictates how it will be.
>
> Or they could just get Linux and struggle to find a decent web browser,
Thats true at the moment, but not for much longer. Mozilla is shaping up
to be a very useful browser.
> have
> to download a new Office suite,
If they upgrade to XP, they'll need to upgrade too, and at a cost of
$1150 (from my local newspaper) per seat!
> be unable to play many games,
Changing to Linux doesnt render your Play Station obsolete!
> and basically
> drop their productivity,
You call daily virus scans, reboots, re loads, and upgrades
... 'productive' ?????
> which is after all what using computers is all
> about.
Thats why I use Linux.
>
>
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Kind Regards
Terry
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