Linux-Advocacy Digest #874, Volume #30 Thu, 14 Dec 00 10:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: What if Linux wasn't free? (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Linux doesn't support P4 (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Linux is awful (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? ("Chad Myers")
Re: Unuther UNIX sight doun! ("Chad Myers")
Re: Unuther UNIX sight doun! ("Chad Myers")
Re: Nobody wants Windows because it don't Super Computer. (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Whistler review. ("Chad Myers")
Re: Windows review ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: System's analysis? What does this person do ? ("Donal K. Fellows")
Re: Security (was Re: Several items) ("Donal K. Fellows")
Re: Uptimes (sfcybear)
Hotmail again {Re: Another UNIX sight is doun!} ("Bobby D. Bryant")
Re: Suggestions for Linux ("Bobby D. Bryant")
Re: Uptimes (sfcybear)
Re: Uptimes (sfcybear)
Re: Sun Microsystems and the end of Open Source (Pan)
Re: Whistler review. (Sandman)
Re: Sun Microsystems and the end of Open Source (Pan)
Re: Another UNIX sight is doun! ("BcB")
Re: Sun Microsystems and the end of Open Source (Gary Hallock)
Re: Sun Microsystems and the end of Open Source (Gary Hallock)
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Crossposted-To:
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:01:32 GMT
Jeff Glatt writes:
> Steve Mading wrote:
>> You play a game where he with the most free time wins the debate (just
>> keep denying what the opponent says, and keep repeating the same
>> questions until the other guy quits.)
> Oh, I like this quote better.
You like anything about me that isn't the truth, Glatt.
> It's more explicit in its criticism of Tholen, and more damning.
And a lie.
> And unlike Tholen, I don't fill my digest of comments with quotes
> by the same two or three people.
On what basis do you say "unlike", Glatt? There have been far more
than "two or three" people who have told you off, Glatt.
> My very lenghty digest includes quotes from a very large demographic
> of usenet posters who all think that he's an asshole, fool, and nutcase.
None of which have ever attempted to substantiate their claims, Glatt.
It's so much easier to pontificate.
> Here's one very interesting treatise upon Tholen by Brad Wardell, one
> of OS/2's most successful ISV's:
How interesting that you didn't bother to repost my response to Brad,
which pointed out all the problems with his lengthy treatise, Glatt,
which was really just an attempt to cover his own blunder over "Banks
don't buy third party software."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: What if Linux wasn't free?
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:14:09 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Wed, 13 Dec 2000 01:30:48 GMT...
...and kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Matthias Warkus wrote:
>
> > It was the Tue, 12 Dec 2000 02:03:53 GMT...
> > ....and kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> <snype>
> >>
> >> From the sounds of what is happening here, there is a giant paper war
> >> brewing. I have a BIT (Bachelor of Information Technology) and I am on
> >> my last year of completing a Bachelor of Music, and I am not swinging
> >> from the chandeliers whilst declaring "I am the best because I have 2
> >> degree's". When I hear this type of debate happening, I really question
> >> the mentality of those who run around declaring that those with degree's
> >> are superior to those who don't.
> >
> >
> > What your posting proves is that people with two degrees are as likely
> > not to grasp grammar and consequently get their apostrophes totally
> > wrong as any average bloke.
> >
> > mawa
> Mawa, first of all, did you actually read the post.
Yeah. However, annoying you is fun.
> Second, this is only a news groups, if I were to write an essay, I
> would read and modify it until it is perfect.
Oh really.
> Second, when hunga rorohuri, such as yourself
> invite yourself into a hui, and expects the participating members to
> give you koha, yet you show the maturity of a tamaiti.
Hm... "When <NOUN>, such as yourself invite yourself into a <NOUN>,
and expects the participating members to give you <NOUN>, yet you show
the maturity of a <NOUN>."
Even in the most favorable interpretations, this sentence demonstrably
contains several syntactical and semantic errors which lead me to the
suspicion that it's actually made of two crippled clause stumps which
have been Sellotaped together into something that superficially
resembles a meaningful phrase.
mawa
--
He's got the heart of a little child,
and he keeps it in a jar on his desk.
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux doesn't support P4
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:29:01 GMT
In article <hGXZ5.1114$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From what I'm hearing, INTEL isn't supporting the things either. So,
what's
> the point?
Windows already is.
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:38:42 GMT
In article <pqZZ5.43383$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Boot the install CD in NFS mode, mount a good system on the network
> and diff the /etc directory to see what went wrong? I think I
> missed that option somewhere. How does it get the registry fixed?
Yes you're right you can do that with Linux. You could do the same with
Windows (via booting MSDOS) if the registry was a text file, but it's
not and you can't copy one from another system. About all you can do is
reinstall Windows and let it rebuild the registry for you.
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Pete
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:36:45 GMT
"Donovan Rebbechi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Wed, 13 Dec 2000 06:40:39 -0500, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> >Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> >>
>
> >If you think left-wing liberalism is about freedom, I suggest
> >that you go visit North Korea, Russia, China or Cuba, or talk
> >to any of the millions who risked their lives to escape the
> >Warsaw Pact countries to North America.
>
> These countries are not about "left wing liberalism". For example, the
> Chinese are what Americans would call "moral conservatives". Actually,
> they are more like authoritarian regimes.
>
> You could call them "left wing totalitarians", but it's not accurate to
> call them "left wing liberals". (Australia and NZ are good examples of
> "left wing liberal")
>
> Here's my dictionary's take on "liberal". Note that China and friends
> clearly don't satisfy 2, or 3 or 6. 1,4,5 and 7 aren't immediately
> relevant (but the imagery invoked by those definitions isn't a very
> good fit for China etc either)
>
> 1. given freely; ample, abundant.
> 2. (often foll. by "of") giving freely, generous, not sparing.
> 3. open-minded, not prejudiced.
> 4. not strict or rigorous; (of interpretation) not literal.
> 5. for general broadening of the mind, not professional or technical
> ("liberal studies").
> 6.
> a. favouring individual liberty, free trade, and moderate political and
> social reform.
> b. (Liberal) of or characteristic of Liberals or a Liberal Party.
> 7. [Theol.] regarding many traditional beliefs as dispensable, invalidated
> by modern thought, or liable to change ("liberal Protestant"; "liberal
> Judaism").
That's the technical definition of Liberal.
Unfortunately today, it means, "One who seeks to divide", or "One who
wishes to make government so large that everyone becomes dependent upon it".
A Clintonized liberal follows the following playbook:
- feed stories of a divide between two groups of people (black/white, young/old,
etc)
to your controlled media
- Get the American people to believe there's a "serious problem" with this
divide,
in essence creating a problem that doesn't exist.
- Step in like a knight in shining armor to present copious amounts of
government
programs to solve the dispute.
- Of course, with all these new programs, we'll HAVE to raise taxes, but that's
ok,
because at least we all get along now.
-Chad
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.society.anarchy,talk.politics.misc,alt.christnet,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unuther UNIX sight doun!
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:38:20 GMT
"Matthew S. Staben" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On 13 Dec 2000 21:27:34 -0500, Tim Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> SPAMMED
> :
>
> >ALL OF EFNET IS DOUN AS WE SPEEK! EFNET COOD HAVE RAN WINDOS BUT
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAY HALF TO BE STOOPIT AND RUN UNIX BECAUSE THAY THINK IT
MORE STABAL1 BUT ITS NOT AND PROOVE IS THAT ITS ALL DOUN RITE NOW.
> >
> >
>
> So what if EFNET is down? It's a good thing to see a bunch of queers
> hanging out in a world of words and emoticons, banished from their
> queer-to-queer closets.
Is this a new protocol? QTQCP? Queer-to-queer closet protocol?
What port does that run on?
-Chad
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.society.anarchy,talk.politics.misc,alt.christnet,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unuther UNIX sight doun!
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:39:36 GMT
"Steve Mading" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:919tkl$ho4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Tim Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : ALL OF EFNET IS DOUN AS WE SPEEK! EFNET COOD HAVE RAN WINDOS BUT
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAY HALF TO BE STOOPIT AND RUN UNIX BECAUSE THAY THINK IT
MORE STABAL1 BUT ITS NOT AND PROOVE IS THAT ITS ALL DOUN RITE NOW.
>
> Learn how irc works, moron. EFNET is not a single site.
What?
You mean that EFNET doesn't run on the Internet server? You know,
because the whole Internet runs on that one Internet Server.
-Chad
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Subject: Re: Nobody wants Windows because it don't Super Computer.
Date: 14 Dec 2000 13:55:35 GMT
On Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:09:40 GMT, Charlie Ebert wrote:
>On 14 Dec 2000 05:23:47 GMT,
>Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>If I'm their senior marketing spokesman, haven't you
>wondered why it's still growing at 40% per year?
Because you're not a marketing spokesperson (heaven help anyone misguided
enough to hire you for that purpose!) and because the user base is quite
small, and because the "free"-ness of Linux is about much more than
price.
Linux's success is largely due to the fact that it's a grass-roots movement.
It's easy to learn Linux. Just go to Borders or Barnes & Noble and get one
of many books, or just use the free LDP docs. The "free as in speech" is
probably more important than "free as in beer", because it has helped Linux
attract a lot of very good developers.
The "free as in beer" helps, but not that much. Below a certain price, it
doesn't make that much difference to most home users. For example, BeOS
costs less than a Redhat box set, but they haven't attracted as many
developers as Linux. BTW, the "cheap" argument doesn't really hold water
for Linux anyway (not for most home users). Most home users need to invest
a lot of effort into setting things up, spend money on books, and many also
buy boxes and spend money on replacement hardware.
The person who really does get a good deal out of Linux is the person who makes
use of the development tools, many of which are quite good, indeed better than
what is available on "traditional UNIX" systems. (again, this is probably one
of the reasons why Linux attracted a lot of developers.)
In a development environment where the ratio of programmers to machines is
approximately 1, "free beer" is not as much of an issue, because programmer
time is very expensive compared to software licenses.
On the other hand, if the machines are servers (possibly several machines
to one admin), "free beer" could be a significant factor.
>It's because Linux is an operating system and Windows
>isn't. And Linux is free.
Win 3.1 isn't an OS. Win 98 is in gray territory and somewhat hobbled
by DOS compatibility. NT and Win2k are definitely operating systems.
--
Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
elflord at panix dot com
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:44:01 GMT
"Ketil Z Malde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > "Ketil Z Malde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> >>> I still have to run into an application that will crush Win2K.
>
> >> Me too - I don't use Win2k. NT 4 is, however, quite vulnerable.
>
> > To what?
>
> To be crashed by applications, of course.
Not really.
> E.g. if I print web pages, it will bluescreen every once in a while.
This means you have a poorly written printer driver. Contact the
manufacturer.
I have printed thousands of pages from the web and everywhere else
and have never had a bluescreen from it. However, I had a client that
had a cheap-o printer and had this problem. The solution was getting
the latest drivers.
> Of course, at the moment, I can't get it to connect to any of our
> printers
So you admit that you're incompetent then? What room, then, do you
have to criticize anything?
-Chad
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Windows review
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:44:28 +0200
"Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> >
> > The point in GUI is not the GUI per se, but to present the user with
some
> > easy-to-understand way to work with the program.
> > If, frex, I want to go to the directory where I saved last year's
reports.
> > I can't recall the exact path to the directory, so I've to do something
like
> > this:
> > cd <directory>
> > dir
> > cd <directory>
> > dir
> > ...
>
> Or just do "find /partofpathyouknow -name <directory>"
>
> Roughly similar in effort to right-clicking, selecting "Find", then
> typing in partofpathyouknow. (Or you can just start at the root with
> either method.
But I can still do it better in GUI or text-based GUI.
Because I wouldn't have to search for it.
> > And so on until I get what I want, in GUI, it's done for me
automatically,
> > and I can get where I want much faster.
>
> Not necessarily.
Usually, it will be faster, though.
> > But text based representation would be just as good, in this case.
> > Anyone remember Norton Commander? All the power of CLI, plus the
advantage
> > of text based GUI.
> >
> > As a side note, anything similar for Linux?
>
> Yes, Midnight Commander, in the curses version. (The GUI version is
Gnome's
> File Manager.) I haven't used it much, but it might offer the best of
> both worlds for file-management.
curses version?
> Just type "mc" at the console command prompt. It's a stock Linux item.
Thanks.
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From: "Donal K. Fellows" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: System's analysis? What does this person do ?
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:02:39 +0000
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> peter wrote:
>> How do you train to be a systems analysis?
>
> 4-year college degree in computer systems engineering, or
> computer and electrical engineering.
You also need some programming and software maintenance experience;
without the first you tend to make laughable suggestions, and without
the second you're nowhere near cynical or callous enough to do a
decent job that doesn't come back to haunt you...
Donal (some perfectly-adequate degrees are shorter though.)
--
"Understanding leads to tolerance, which in turn leads to acceptance. And from
there, it's just a quick hop to speeding in Ohio, chewing peyote, and
frottage in the woods with a family of moose. And I just want to claim my
part of the credit." -- bunnythor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: "Donal K. Fellows" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Security (was Re: Several items)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:12:06 +0000
kiwiunixman wrote:
> Unix is like a Volvo, although not
> particularly good looking on the outside, when you get down to the
> nitty-gritty, the Volvo is built like a "brick shit-house".
Volvo have apparently managed to create a nice looking model recently
(according to the motoring press.) Far be it from me to draw any
parallels from an automobile analoggy on an advocacy newsgroup, but it
is very tempting to do so... :^)
Donal (who likes Volvos for their heated seats.)
--
"Understanding leads to tolerance, which in turn leads to acceptance. And from
there, it's just a quick hop to speeding in Ohio, chewing peyote, and
frottage in the woods with a family of moose. And I just want to claim my
part of the credit." -- bunnythor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Uptimes
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:14:54 GMT
In article <WMVZ5.4847$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Almighty Muta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Amazon is having a hell of a time keeping Linux running.
>
>
http://uptime.netcraft.com/graph?display=uptime&site=www.amazon.com&find_sit
> e=GO
>
> Good thing Christmas isn't their busy season.
>
> Muta
Netcraft shows it has been up the last 45 days of the Christmas season!
Do you not understand how to read the data?
If the data from Amazon means that Amazon is having a hell of a time
keeping Linux up then Then the people at MSN are having more trouble
http://uptime.netcraft.com/graph?display=&site=www.msn.com
And the people at the company who gave us the sh*t formaly know as an
OS, Microsoft, Are having a nice toasty time in hell:
http://uptime.netcraft.com/graph?display=&site=www.microsoft.com
And the other big book seller, Barns and noble?
http://uptime.netcraft.com/graph?display=&site=www.bn.com
3 days of uptime for W2K at Barns and Noble vs 45 days for Linux at
Amazon!
Average uptime of 11 days at B&N? Sure looks worse than the 25 days
average uptime from Amazon!
If Amazon means that Linux is unstable, than W2K would be UNRUNABLE!
>
>
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From: "Bobby D. Bryant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Hotmail again {Re: Another UNIX sight is doun!}
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 08:18:31 -0600
Tim Palmer wrote:
> If it was Windos it wood be alwayz UP like microsoft .COM!
[Bracketed comments mine:]
"Hotmail: You Get What You Pay For"
[Isn't that what the MS shills used to say about Linux?]
http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,40656,00.html
"""
Since Sunday, an undisclosed number of users have not been able to get to their
Hotmail home pages or log onto their accounts. Users who successfully log in must wait
30 seconds
to a minute for any task to be completed.
[Isn't this the third or fourth time we've heard this on the news since they started
migrating to W2K last summer?]
"Because of the tremendous increase in Hotmail usage, we had to take the server that
hosts your e-mail account offline to improve it"
[Take it down "to improve it" is exactly the phrase they've been using ever since
these troubles started last summer.]
"We schedule these upgrades in early-morning hours so that we interrupt your service
as little as possible. Unfortunately, this upgrade is taking longer than usual to
complete.
This doesn't happen often, and your account should soon respond as you expect it to."
[Translation: We miscounted how many times you have to reboot a Windows server when
you change the system settings.]
Four days later a Microsoft spokeswoman could not offer any more details -- or a
solution -- to the problem.
[Translation: We miscounted by a *lot*.]
The company's website states that because of "security reasons we will not be able to
provide customer support at this number"
[Translation: No, we still don't care a fig about security, but we find it convenient
to mention it when we need an excuse for poor service.]
But online customer support offered the following consolation to peeved Hotmail users:
"Note: Because of this, you might receive errors such as 'Document Contains No Data'
or 'Internal Server Error'. Please ignore them and try to gain access to your account
later."
[Translation: Retry, Reboot, Reinstall. We're working on #3 right now; keep trying #1
until we're done.]
"""
Ah, Microsoft's fabled reliability, there for the whole world to see.
Per last time this subject came up (it comes up pretty darn often anymore, you know),
this *may* not reflect any incurable problem with the platform they're trying to run
Hotmail
on. Certain signs indicate that it is a site management problem instead. (E.g., how
could such a high-visibility site have problems for days at a time without it being
fixed?
Haven't they ever heard of hot swaps? Don't they know that when you "upgrade"
hardware or software and you get so many problems that you have to take your helpdesk
off line, you
stick the old system back in until you can figure out what the problem is?)
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
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From: "Bobby D. Bryant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Suggestions for Linux
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 08:22:45 -0600
Tim Palmer wrote:
> Microsoft wil do it then Linux wil take 10 yeres to coppy it.
How long did it take MS to copy the 1983 Mac?
12 years, by my reckoning, even with billions of dollars to throw at the
challenge.
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
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From: sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Uptimes
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:24:56 GMT
In article <919jkq$7s$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "sfcybear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9193en$j20$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > The point is, I did not have to search for the proof of how Netcraft
> > collected the data. I already knew that it could be done, because
the
> > numbers looked to good to be faked and I also did not think that
> > netcraft was making them up. It was YOU and the others that were
> > screaming it was impossible and now proven to be WRONG! I always
said:
> > The fact that YOU do not know how it is done does NOT mean it CAN
NOT be
> > done. I was right, you were wrong.
>
> Oh, the numbers *look* right, so they *must* be right.
> Tell that to Einstein and "God don't play dice with the universe"
> To the Church and "The sun revolve around the Earth"
> Middle-Age people and "The world is flat"
>
> *Very* good method to confirm the numbers, oh *yeah*.
This from the guy who INSTISTED that it was IMPOSSIBLE to get the
numbers in the first place. I did NOT offer "Look right" as a proof!
Only that it gave me enough information to know that the numbers were
correct enough for *me* to know that they were not being made up! From
there, It was easy to see that the numbers MUST be available! Re-read
what I said! What you claim I said was FAR different.
You were WRONG about the numbers being IMPOSSIBLE to get!
You are WRONG about what I said here. You are just being a bad sport and
insulting the person who was right.
Bottom line, I was RIGHT, the fact that you did not know how the numbers
were gotten DID NOT MEAN THAT it was impossible, as YOU claimed. Someone
(me) made the RIGHT deductions, someone (you) made the worng dedutions.
You bad looser behavior does not change that!
>
>
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From: sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Uptimes
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:30:12 GMT
Bottom line: The numbers are available from the network!
Bottom Line: I always believed that the numbers were availble from the
network.
Bottom line: I did and do believe them to be reasonably accurate!
Bottom line: I do not need to prove every thing about netcraft to quote
netcraft.
Bottom line: In all the people who cried that it was impossible to get
the numbers from the network were, in fact, just plain WRONG.
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From: Pan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Sun Microsystems and the end of Open Source
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 06:46:05 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gary Hallock wrote:
>
> >
>
> oops. I almost forgot another major contribution from IBM - Linux for S/390.
And the AS/400, and everything else in their line of mainframe servers.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://salvador.venice.ca.us
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From: Sandman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:53:30 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ketil Z Malde
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>> I still have to run into an application that will crush Win2K.
>
> >> Me too - I don't use Win2k. NT 4 is, however, quite vulnerable.
>
> > To what?
>
> To be crashed by applications, of course. E.g. if I print web pages,
> it will bluescreen every once in a while. Of course, at the moment, I
> can't get it to connect to any of our printers, so it's been pretty
> stable lately :-/
Obvisouly a hardware problem. Your printer is incompatible with your mouseball
and the radiations from your USB extension card makes the harddrive spin
slower, causing malfunction when readin your printer drivers.
Hence, the OS is perfect, you are mistaken. There is no way NT4 would EVER
bluescreen if it's exposed to an optimum environment. No way what so ever.
:)
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Sandman[.net]
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From: Pan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Sun Microsystems and the end of Open Source
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 06:56:16 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Chad C. Mulligan" wrote:
> The rest of these responses were largely idiots explaining how to falsify
> registration info or people just up in arms over a simple and true
> observation.
You said that there has been no further development on the GPL version,
which is false: There have already been 3 build versions in the last 3
months are no fewer than 20 teams moving the Open Office project
forward, and parts of it have already been integrated into the gnone
project's office suite.
You can stick your head in the sand and ignore the truth of the
situation when it gets pointed out to you, but it won't change the
facts. The only observation one can make about your post is that you
either had no clue what happened to what happened to S.O. after it was
GPL'd, or you simply lied. Which is it?
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http://salvador.venice.ca.us
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From: "BcB" <youdon'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another UNIX sight is doun!
Crossposted-To: comp.os.nt.advocacy
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 09:53:13 +0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Tim Palmer"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The site www.brainbench.com runs Apache/1.3.12 (Unix) Resin/1.1.5 on
> Solaris 8, and its always DOUN becoz its' UNIX! If it was Windos it wood
> be alwayz UP like microsoft .COM!
>
> You fuckibg UNIX nurdz SUX BWAHAHAA!! Tipitty-tipe, it douz you no
> good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 UNIX STILL SUX!
>
Actually Microsoft uses UNIX servers.
"Let's face it, UNIX is the workhorse of the Internet. Even
Microsoft uses UNIX to serve its own website. Scalability is
tough to solve on UNIX, but it has been done. I have never
heard of a scalable NT solution yet."
http://javaboutique.internet.com/articles/ITJ/qanda/q22.html
Chris
--
In the Land of Penguins
"A speech is like a love affair. Any fool can start it, but
to end it requires considerable skill."
--Lord Mancroft
System Uptime:
18 Days, 1 Hours, 7 Minutes, and 12 Seconds
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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:02:08 -0500
From: Gary Hallock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Sun Microsystems and the end of Open Source
"Chad C. Mulligan" wrote:
> "Gary Hallock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> >
> > oops. I almost forgot another major contribution from IBM - Linux for
> S/390.
> >
>
> Don't you mean, Linux running a partition under OS390?
>
> > Gary
> >
No, Linux does not run under OS/390. It can run on the bare metal, in a
logical partition (not under OS/390), or under VM/ESA. Logical partitions
are part of the S/390 hardware and have nothing to do with OS/390.
Gary
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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:05:06 -0500
From: Gary Hallock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Sun Microsystems and the end of Open Source
"Chad C. Mulligan" wrote:
>
>
> But didn't Sun promise worlds of support to the Linux community. Cross
> platform Apps IIRC. They made Solaris run Linux stuff but aren't you still
> waiting for the Solaris packages for Linux?
>
>
And how exactly does this indicate the end of of Open Source??
Gary
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