Linux-Advocacy Digest #874, Volume #33 Tue, 24 Apr 01 12:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Need your recommendation for a full-featured text editor (James Kanze)
Re: Winvocates confuse me - d'oh! (Donn Miller)
Re: Buy Microsoft stock!!! (Craig Kelley)
Re: Feminism ==> subjugation of males (Sky King)
Re: Windows 2000 - It is an excellent product (Craig Kelley)
Re: Windows 2000 - It is an excellent product (Craig Kelley)
Re: Is StarOffice 5.2 "compatible" w/MS Office 97/2000? ("Ivo")
Re: Feminism ==> subjugation of males (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Windows 2000 - It is an excellent product (Craig Kelley)
Re: Feminism ==> subjugation of males (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Why do Win advocates suck? Part 1 (Craig Kelley)
Re: More Lies from a Linux "advocate" (Craig Kelley)
Re: Windows 2000 - It is an excellent product ("Hullo")
more early computer history (was: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft) (Jonathan Thornburg)
Re: IDC's projected revenues for 2004 for Linux, Unix, and NT (Craig Kelley)
Re: Perl and Tcl/Tk: How important are they? ("Donal K. Fellows")
Re: Perl and Tcl/Tk: How important are they? ("Donal K. Fellows")
Re: Feminism ==> subjugation of males (Chad Everett)
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From: James Kanze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.comp.shareware.programmer,comp.editors,comp.lang.java.help,comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.lang.java.softwaretools,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: Need your recommendation for a full-featured text editor
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:39:01 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tor Arntsen wrote:
> Ken Tough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >Paul Shirley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
> >>>Syntax highlighting is useful for NOVICE programmers.
> >>>Most experienced programmers have used one-color text
> >>>for program code for years...
> >>...although the ones that earn a living at it mostly side with the
> >>novices.
> >I think there's probably a UNIX/realtime - "enterprise" divide
> >here. Quick straw poll -- how many UNIX programmers use 1 colour?
> None where I work (although we used to use 2 colours way back :-)
> All of us, many with "enterprise"/Unix experience going decades
> back, are using XEmacs w/colour highlighting. Those that claim that
> experienced programmers have no use for more than 1 (sic) colour
> don't know what they are talking about. It simply means they have
> never really tried it.
I'll second that. With 25 years experience programming, and the last
15 almost exclusively on Unix, I really appreciate the benefits of
syntax coloring. (I might add that even under Windows, I use the
CygWin toolkit, emacs, etc., to have a Unix-like environment.)
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Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 11:00:28 -0400
From: Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Winvocates confuse me - d'oh!
[x-posted to COMNA to generate flame wa-, I mean discussion.]
Please forgive me for acting like Aaron Kulkis and quoting the entire
message, but they haven't seen the entire thread yet... (All I need now
is a 12GB sig file.)
Karel Jansens wrote:
>
> Brent R wrote:
> >
> > Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> > >
> > > Karel Jansens wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Previously the winvocate mantra was: "Windows is soooo good, why would I
> > > > not pay for it?"
> > > >
> > > > ... which made kinda sense; after all, they already _had_ paid for it,
> > > > so why not rationalise your faux pas.
> > > >
> > > > In the past two or three days I've come at least twice across posts
> > > > which essentially say: "OK, so Windows is too expensive, let's pirate
> > > > the crap out of it. It's okay, because the corporate sharks pay for us
> > > > pirates anyway".
> > > >
> > > > ... which is weird. Has Windows suddenly become less than worth its
> > > > price? Has Microsoft decided to take out some precious features so that
> > > > suddenly Windows has become less valuable?
> > > >
> > > > Or is this how winvocates perceive free software?
> > > >
> > > > It's kinda like certain people (with initials CM) who go around the
> > > > newsgroups for _years_, touting Windows 9x as God's Gift To the
> > > > Community, and then suddenly changing their tune to: "Well, Windows 95
> > > > was crap, obviously; and NT wasn't too good either. But Win2k... now
> > > > that's the best operating system ever".
> > > >
> > > > You gotta laugh, eh?
> > > And of course, as soon as Windows XP is released you will have all the
> > > winadvocates claim that Win2k, win 9x and win ME are crap, and XP is the
> > > way of the future. Solaris, from day one, it has just been getting
> > > better after each release. Linux, same situation. Windows, stuck in the
> > > same rut for, well, at least 15 years. I see no progress what so ever,
> > > the only people who are ammused are the end luser, who, like most
> > > simpletons are ammused by the simplist of items, a bit like how flies
> > > are attracked to light.
> > >
> > > Matthew Gardiner
> >
> > Windows has been stuck in the same rut for 15 years? Have you ever used
> > Windows 3.x or earlier??
> >
> > A lot has changed since 15 years ago.
> >
>
> Windows 3.0 was 10 years ago.
>
> 3.x at least never pretended to be more than a pretty DOS-shell. Sure,
> it crashed, but as I ran it in a VDM in OS/2, that never really mattered
> much; and even under plain old DOS, 3.x would usually leave the
> underlying OS intact.
Yep, I know what you're sayin'. I remember back in the good 'ol days,
when you had to boot into DOS first, and type 'win' at the DOS prompt.
You could put `win' in your autoexec.bat file, and have Windows fire up
automatically, but back then, DOS and Windows were more separate than
they are now. I remember Win 3.1 crashing sometimes, and taking me back
to the DOS prompt. At least I could get back by typing `win' instead of
rebooting, then. DOS by itself did seem more stable than Windows.
Why? Because it was a stripped-down CLI-based kernel, much like a unix
kernel.
Now, I don't think you can even boot into DOS with Windows ME. Wonder
why? What is the motivation for preventing people from shutting Windows
down and running DOS by itself? Of course, one could always dual-boot
with some other version of DOS (perferably Caldera OpenDOS), but
still...
> So Microsoft changed it to 9x, essentially tweaking it into a DOS-shell
> that could only run on top of their own DOS. Unfortanately, the
> side-effect of the tweaking was that the shell would now crash the OS
> beneath it as well.
>
> But hey! we can buy WinNT, right? Stable as rocks. Riiiight, until
> Microsoft decided that video drivers belong in ring 0, because that was
> the only way they could think of to make that snail of an OS crawl any
> faster. But dude! W2k has DirectX! Can it _be_ any cooler??
But does NT really operate the vid drivers in Ring 0? That sounds like
Windows 98 to me. (Aaron's favorite OS.) I know NT's video drivers run
in kernel space, but I thought they were still restricted to ring level
2.
> So yes, I can see why winvocates are now endorsing people to pirate
> Windows; the piece of crap isn't even worth the CD it is burnt on.
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From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Buy Microsoft stock!!!
Date: 24 Apr 2001 09:00:54 -0600
Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> >
> > "jtnews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> > > > Anyone that buys an i810 based motherboard (and they sell millions)
> > >
> > > Hey! I have an i810e in my Dell Dimension L600cx,
> > > and my other 3 Dell Dimension L700cx's and it
> > > works great with Linux!
> >
> > It does now, when using the latest kernel. It doesn't with a stock distro
> > from several months ago.
>
> SuSE Linux 7.0 released at the end of last year supported 810 chipset.
Didn't 7.0 come out at the end of *1999*?
--
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From: Sky King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Feminism ==> subjugation of males
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 11:10:47 -0400
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, ralsina@my-
deja.com says...
> On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:45:12 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >Wrong. I enjoy the company of American women very much.
> >> >
> >> >However, forming a legal association with one is hazardous
> >> >to a man's wealth.
> >>
> >> Well, forming an association with you can be dangerous for a womans
> >> health.
> >
> >Are you asserting that I have a venereal disease?
>
> Do you? No, I did not assert that.
>
> >> >> >Smart men don't put their entire life's earnings at the whim of
> >> >> >a fickle-minded, self-centered, spoiled little conceited tart,
> >> >> >her lawyer, and the willing accomplice in a black robe.
> >> >>
> >> >> You know, that russian gal you brought? She has the exact
> >> >> same rights under american law as any other gal. And sooner
> >> >> or later she's going to find out. And half your roy rogers
> >> >> card collection will be hers!
> >> >
Hardly dear. That is why we have prenups. It would be easy to have
her marry you in a state or country where she has NO rights to
anything. HAHAHAHA
sky
> >> >But, she doesn't believe it is her right to run off with 1/2 of
> >> >the wealth which I accumulated for YEARS before I ever met her.
> >>
> >> It's not what she believes. It's what the judge says, kid.
>
No doll its not. Not all countries or states have that law.
Tough noogies eh? chuckle
sky
> Note: no response. Maybe Aaron is now planning of radicating in Saudi
> Arabia so he can keep his card collection in case of divorce.
>
> No need there are plenty of places he can get married and keep ALL.
sky
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From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 - It is an excellent product
Date: 24 Apr 2001 09:07:27 -0600
"Hullo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Try ringing the support people at Microsoft and asking. You never know you
> may learn something. Let us know what they say.
The last time I called Microsoft support they were actually very
helpful. Office 97 had eaten a hole in the registry such that it
refused to run any of the applications (other than Access) and the
representative knew right away what the problem was and told me to
download this utility called "offclean97.exe" (or something like
that).
A true testament to the utility of the registry (ahem) and that he
knew how to fix it so quickly to the number of people it affected.
It's also a testament to how "easy" Windows really is to use.
Another cool thing: while on hold, Microsoft has a live DJ that tells
how many people are waiting on the different lines. He played music
by request too (more companies should do that).
--
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From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 - It is an excellent product
Date: 24 Apr 2001 09:13:55 -0600
"Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > 2) Do a "chgrp cdrom /dev/{sr,sg}0; chmod 0660 /dev/{sr,sg}0", then make
> > your CD writing program setgid. This way, the program does not gain root
> > permissions at any time during its execution.
>
> You can do the same in Win2k setting the execute permissions to the
> device drivers to only administrators and then giving permission to
> only one user or groups of users, then giving them the ability to
> start and stop devices. They can only then start the devices they
> have permissions to.
That's not the same thing at all. In your case, you're giving the
user all the rights to do anything at all to the system (including
stopping the SCSI device). Using specialized groups for device access
and sgid programs under UNIX allows you to do exactly one thing only,
using only one point of system entry.
> > 3) Do the same chgrp/chmod, then edit /etc/login.defs so that users who
> log
> > in at the console automatically gain access to the cdrom group.
>
> This would require some scripting to work under Win2k, but you could do it
> as well.
Sure, just add the logged in user to the Administrators group...
Apart from all this, these programs (OmniPage OCR, Adaptec Easy CD,
etc.) say IN THEIR INSTRUCTIONS that you MUST run them as the
Administrator user. The people that buy these programs will follow
those instructions, and odds are that they'll ALWAYS login as the
Administrator so as not to be bothered.
_That_ is going to obviate the entire NT security system that
Microsoft has so painstakenly built over the last 10 years; they need
to do something about it (ie, they need to Rip Off Apple Yet Again and
take a lesson from MacOS X where when a normal users attempts to
perform a privileged task, the root password is asked for).
--
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From: "Ivo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy,alt.solaris.x86,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: Is StarOffice 5.2 "compatible" w/MS Office 97/2000?
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 18:16:49 +0300
What Can I say after all those discussions:
Use MS Windows & Word AND OF course
enjoy the ALL 65000 viruses (Probably more).
Personally for me - I love Unix (Solaris/FreeBSD) and linux
And Staroffice is enought for me to edit docs.
For e-mail - use HTML, plain text -
that is acceptible for most people, for others - solve your problems
yourself.
P.S. Just compare how much takes the same text in ms word and how much in
plain text.
After comparisions make your decisions yourself.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roberto Alsina)
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Feminism ==> subjugation of males
Date: 24 Apr 2001 15:15:30 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 11:10:47 -0400, Sky King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, ralsina@my-
>deja.com says...
>> On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:45:12 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >Wrong. I enjoy the company of American women very much.
>> >> >
>> >> >However, forming a legal association with one is hazardous
>> >> >to a man's wealth.
>> >>
>> >> Well, forming an association with you can be dangerous for a womans
>> >> health.
>> >
>> >Are you asserting that I have a venereal disease?
>>
>> Do you? No, I did not assert that.
>>
>> >> >> >Smart men don't put their entire life's earnings at the whim of
>> >> >> >a fickle-minded, self-centered, spoiled little conceited tart,
>> >> >> >her lawyer, and the willing accomplice in a black robe.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You know, that russian gal you brought? She has the exact
>> >> >> same rights under american law as any other gal. And sooner
>> >> >> or later she's going to find out. And half your roy rogers
>> >> >> card collection will be hers!
>> >> >
>Hardly dear. That is why we have prenups. It would be easy to have
>her marry you in a state or country where she has NO rights to
>anything. HAHAHAHA
Actually, it all depends on Aaron making her sign a prenup, doesn't it?
And that doesn't make her have any less or more rights any other woman
has. Now, since Aaron's contention was that marrying an american woman
was dangerous to his "wealth", all I said is that marrying a russian
woman is just as dangerous.
>sky
moon?
>> >> >But, she doesn't believe it is her right to run off with 1/2 of
>> >> >the wealth which I accumulated for YEARS before I ever met her.
>> >>
>> >> It's not what she believes. It's what the judge says, kid.
>>
>No doll its not. Not all countries or states have that law.
>Tough noogies eh? chuckle
What? Are you telling me there are countries where what the judge says
is not what goes?
>sky
comet?
>> Note: no response. Maybe Aaron is now planning of radicating in Saudi
>> Arabia so he can keep his card collection in case of divorce.
>>
>> No need there are plenty of places he can get married and keep ALL.
And all those places are quite unfree.
>sky
kite?
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 - It is an excellent product
Date: 24 Apr 2001 09:20:50 -0600
"Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> "Gary Hallock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In article <GK4F6.9497$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Erik Funkenbusch"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > And how is that any different from opening up Linux to allow normal
> > > users to do priviledged activities?
> >
> > The only priviledged activity that normal users will be allowed to do is
> > write to the CD. Normal users would still not have the ability to load
> > and unload drivers. If you have to give out this kind of authority on
> > W2K to allow normal users to write CDs, why not just give everyone the
> > password of administrator and be done with it?
>
> "Loading" drivers means starting and stopping them, not installing them.
> The users can only start and stop the drivers that the administrator has
> installed, and the admin can deny them access to specific drivers by
> disallowing them access in the ACL.
Hmmm, I don't see a setting for ACLs on individual drivers here.
Please elaborate, because this is the crux of the many complaints.
We've known about this problem for at least a few years now, you'd
expect a solution to be in place.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Feminism ==> subjugation of males
Date: 24 Apr 2001 15:24:18 GMT
On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 03:26:31 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> Brent R wrote:
>> Be careful Aaron, not all women are like that, I wouldn't even say the
>
> I wasn't referring to "all women" is was referring to that body
> known as "feminism"
Your version of "feminism" is a straw-women.
> I can name only a handful of American women who openly oppose
> the Dworkinites....not surprisingly, somewhere around 50% of
> them are foreign-born and raised.
What a load of cr*p. How many people "openly oppose" the KKK ?
The vast majority of women disagree with the "Dworkinites". For
example, what percentage of American women believe that "all sex is
rape" ???
>> Have you ever seen numbers on how many contemporary women give a shit
>> about feminism?
>
> Any woman who is accepting the ill-gotten gains of sexist, anti-male
> laws is just guilty as those who fought to get these laws enacted
> in the first place.
So I suppose that would mean that the Saudi men who take advantage of
discrimination against women are also "guilty" ?
Even if we were to believe that women do get some sort of "unfair advantage",
there's no convenient means to reject the gains.
(How many whites "refused the gains of slavery" before it was abolished? Hint:
none. All of them benefited directly or otherwise)
--
Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
elflord at panix dot com
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From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why do Win advocates suck? Part 1
Date: 24 Apr 2001 09:27:01 -0600
Jim Richardson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> In msgid <umoE6.4673$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, pookoopookoo wrote:
> on Saturday 21 April 2001 16:05
>
> >> Lets see, linux can handle my digital camera, by 3d games, the occasional
> >> movie trailer, my document creation and formatting needs, my personal
> >> finance needs, my mp3 collection. And all that programmer and internet
> >> services stuff.
> >
> > That's great. Let's say I have a preconfigured Linux box, I go out and buy
> > myself an agfa cl-20, what are my chances of installing it on my own, as a
> > regular joe user? Just curious, I actually have no idea if this will work
> > or not =)
>
> install what? it uses CF cards, plug them into the $40 adapter and treat
> them like a hard drive.
Funny thing that; we had a "SansDisk" CF reader and plugged it into a
Windows 2000 machine a few months ago and it refused to work. None of
the drivers wored for it, even the ones off the web. I plugged it
into my RH 7.0 box and it worked just fine (kudzu even auto-detected
it).
I traded them their USB SansDisk reader for my parallel port Lexar
reader, which worked under 2000 just fine. I use the USB one on my
Linux box now (Kodak DC215 -- I want to buy a single-lense camera next
time, anyone use a digital version of such a beast?)
--
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From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More Lies from a Linux "advocate"
Date: 24 Apr 2001 09:29:24 -0600
"Hullo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I note you are all compelled to lie and falsify postings (the below comment
[snip]
Jeez, you put out more trash than Kulkis.
*plonk*
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From: "Hullo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 - It is an excellent product
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:29:49 +0100
Reply-To: "Hullo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
As far as I know you get a couple of free calls with each product. Like most
of you I don't find I need to resort to support lines for help, but this
person does. I am just curious to know what they said about the original
technical problems described. I don't have great hopes of the poster
actually being serious enough to
a)Call them
b)Report honestly
"Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hullo wrote:
> >
> > Try ringing the support people at Microsoft and asking. You never know
you
> > may learn something. Let us know what they say.
> >
>
> Depends on how much the support will cost. The last time I rang up for
> support they asked me how I was going to pay, HELLO? I just spent $350
> on a piece of software, and it would be nice to know how to import
> Access 2000 Databases into a VB project? considering it was Microsoft
> that changed the format. I later gave up and went back to using Paradox
> and Borland C++, consistancy all the way.
>
> Matthew Gardiner
>
> --
> Disclaimer:
>
> I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operator From Hell)
>
> If you don't like it, you can go [# rm -rf /home/luser] yourself
>
> Running SuSE Linux 7.1
>
> The best of German engineering, now in software form
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jonathan Thornburg)
Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: more early computer history (was: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft)
Date: 24 Apr 2001 17:33:30 +0200
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Jan Vorbrueggen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>It is very much the case that Zuse's contribution is almost invisible,
>compared to van Neuman and E&M.
And Atansoff and Berry, who developed the Atansoff-Berry Calculator
at Iowa State U Physics Dept in the late 1930s & early 1940s. The ABC
was intended to solve simultaneous linear equations (I don't know fixed
vs floating pt) for computing the (quantum mechanical) band structure
of semiconductors. I believe it was stored-program & Turing-complete,
but I don't know details.
--
-- Jonathan Thornburg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
http://www.thp.univie.ac.at/~jthorn/home.html
Universitaet Wien (Vienna, Austria) / Institut fuer Theoretische Physik
Only 6 countries in the world have the death penalty for children:
Congo, Iran, Nigeria, (Pakistan[*]), Saudi Arabia, United States, Yemen
[*] Pakistan reportedly ended it in July 2000. -- Amnesty International
http://www.web.amnesty.org/ai.nsf/index/AMR511392000
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From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: IDC's projected revenues for 2004 for Linux, Unix, and NT
Date: 24 Apr 2001 09:33:51 -0600
Dave Martel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:19:40 +1200, Matthew Gardiner
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >That doesn't take in account that there are more small businesses run my
> >computer illiterate people who can only use NT, thus, it is easy to
> >blear on how great it is, when really it is used out of necessity, not
> >reliability. Also, that doesn't take into account the fact that UNIX
> >vendors don't charge per-user who logs onto a server, you pay, say $75
> >for Solaris, and that's it! no extra charges.
>
> Or that nobody knows how many people got linux for free.
Well, they are *dollar* figures, so would it really matter?
> Market share is a poor indicator of "popularity" where a free OS is
> concerned. I just thought it was interesting to see where things are
> supposedly going.
I thought the numbers were rather flattering for open source. It
proves that you can make money on it just fine (like I do).
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From: "Donal K. Fellows" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Perl and Tcl/Tk: How important are they?
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:41:56 +0100
Craig Kelley wrote:
> PPS: And you don't need to use eval() all the time :)
Just as in Tcl you don't need to call your variables something that is
easily mistaken for line noise. (Shall we stop this little war right
now or shall we sling mud back and forth a few more times first? :^)
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"I wouldn't just call you wrong. I'd go further and call you an argumentative
net-kook idiot who can't do his own research before opening his mouth and
yammering bullshit." -- Theo de Raadt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: "Donal K. Fellows" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Perl and Tcl/Tk: How important are they?
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:38:33 +0100
Aaron Ginn wrote:
> A perhaps pedantic example of Perl not being able to do everything a
> shell can do...
>
> You can't change an environment variable other than for child
> processes. You have to use a shell to do this.
You can't change an environment variable in a parent process from a child
process, *whatever* languages are being used, unless the parent cooperates
in some way (e.g. reading instructions on how to change the variable over
a pipe.) This is the way UNIX processes work and it is a design feature.
Allowing children to clobber vars in parents is a security hole you can
drive a copy of Windows XP through... :^)
Your example is wrong. Invalid. Have a nice day!
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"I wouldn't just call you wrong. I'd go further and call you an argumentative
net-kook idiot who can't do his own research before opening his mouth and
yammering bullshit." -- Theo de Raadt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Feminism ==> subjugation of males
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 24 Apr 2001 10:26:56 -0500
On 24 Apr 2001 14:59:48 GMT, Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Chad Everett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>On 24 Apr 2001 12:58:57 GMT, Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>You said women are better off when they are not allowed to walk in
>>>the street without male company.
>>>
>>>That's pretty hateful.
>>
>>Prehaps as hateful as people like you who would like to see women
>>walk along in the street with no pratical way to protect themselves.
>
>I want women to be able to walk alone if they want to. It seems that
>you only want freedom for yourself. Or you want to be forbidden from
>walking alone, too? A gang could harm you.
>
>Roberto Alsina
Just as I said. People like you would like to see woman walk alone
with no practical way to protect themselves. Women with guns are a
good thing. Women willing to use guns are even a better thing.
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