Linux-Advocacy Digest #932, Volume #30           Sat, 16 Dec 00 17:13:02 EST

Contents:
  Re: Red hat becoming illegal? ("Chad Myers")
  Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: Whistler review. (Andres Soolo)
  Re: Voting (was: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks) ("Aaron R. 
Kulkis")
  Re: Why use malloc? (Andres Soolo)
  Re: Voting (was: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks) ("Aaron R. 
Kulkis")
  Re: Name one thing Microsoft INVENTED.... ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: Red hat becoming illegal? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: Corel to pull out of Linux (Gary Hallock)
  Re: Name one thing Microsoft INVENTED.... (.)
  Re: Caifornia power shortage... (Jim Richardson)
  Re: System's analysis?  What does this person do ? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: Linux is awful (Jerry Peters)
  Re: Caifornia power shortage... (The Ghost In The Machine)

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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 20:47:06 GMT


"Donovan Rebbechi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Sat, 16 Dec 2000 02:58:10 GMT, Chad Myers wrote:
> >
>
> >The difference is, W. didn't lie, didn't mislead, merely stated the
> >facts to let the people draw their own conclusions. Most of what W.
>
> The Bush campaign ran an add that made false claims about McCains
> environmental record, and the ad was pulled shortly after it was aired.

Proof?

-Chad



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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks.
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 16:02:34 -0500

Swangoremovemee wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 15 Dec 2000 08:12:47 GMT, kiwiunixman
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >Oh, so you're one of those lusers who believe because the OS has a GUI
> >it is superior to one that doesn't, so by your definition os/390 (the OS
> >used on IBM Mainframes) is shit because it has no dandy, randy, eye
> 
> No, actually I think he is saying that USB support sucks under Linux,
> and he gave the technical reasons to prove his point.

What the fuck does that have to do with the (supposed) benefits of
"integrating" an Office suite into the OS. ???

[other than the security holes and instability nightmare]

> 
> What's the problem with that?
> 
> Can you dispute his technical points?
> 
> If not, why are you jumping all over him?
> 
> Swango
> 
> "It Don't Mean a Thang if it Ain't Got That Swang"


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

From: Andres Soolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: 16 Dec 2000 21:03:47 GMT

In comp.os.linux.advocacy JM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>>It wouldn't if they'd done it the proper way, calling the OS an Unix.
> "AN Unix"? Is this a deliberate mistake?
You might say so.  The idea was they should've given proper credit instead
of bragging about `their' new innovative ideas.

-- 
Andres Soolo   <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Genius does what it must, and Talent does what it can.
                -- Owen Meredith

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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Voting (was: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 16:04:54 -0500

Craig Kelley wrote:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ian Davey) writes:
> 
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>wrote:
> > >They discovered their error and then tried to foist their claim that
> > >the ballot was "confusing", when in reality, the voters were given bad
> > >instructions by party leaders.  Similar problems happened elsewhere in
> > >the state when voters were told to "vote on every page", which caused
> > >double-voting for president.
> >
> > Well they did a psychological study in Canada a few weeks ago, where a group
> > of people were given two sets of forms, one identical to the ones used in
> > Florida (except for the things they were voting on) and one with the
> > candidates in one long list. They then asked which selection the people wanted
> > to choose and which they actually did. With the Florida-style ballot there
> > were lots of mistakes, with the straightforward list ballot there were none.
> >
> > This is surprisingly easy to understand really. Voting booths are pretty high
> > pressure environments, your pretty much pushed in, vote quick in unusual
> > surroundings, and then get shown the door. If people were sitting down and
> > voting using those ballots in their own front rooms, I expect the result
> > would be very different (i.e. fewer if any mistakes).
> 
> How about this:
> 
> A computer with a touch screen displays each race on one screen,
> perhaps with pictures and names.  A voter can point to the candidated
> they want (and candidates are in a random order to avoid confusion).
> They could point to an information button and read in-detail wording
> about initiatives and even common-language interpretations.
> 

Fuck that!

How are you going to assure that the vote isn't being tampered with?

HAND MARKED PAPER BALLOTS are *THE* *ONLY* way to safeguard against fraud.




> After they are done, they submit their ballot, which is printed out on
> paper.  They can review the ballot and then, if they are satisfied,
> enter it into the voting box.  If they do not like the paper ballot,
> they can return to the computer and vote again.
> 
> This should give us the accuracy of computers while at the same time
> alleving fears about technology.
> 
> --
> The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
> Craig Kelley  -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

From: Andres Soolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why use malloc?
Date: 16 Dec 2000 21:09:33 GMT

Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> : optimize the multiplication (by replacing it with shifting, for example).
> : Which is not possible with calloc().
> Now wait a second.  If calloc.c was compiled with the same compiler
> you are using, and presumably it has such a multiplication inside it
> somewhere, couldn't the same shift-optimization have been done there
> too?
Not really, because calloc has to assume generic multiplication.
In cases where the compiler knows the multiplicand, it can shift two
times to left instead of applying the generic multiplication instruction.
Which produces faster code.

> I prefer "implicit bogus values", like setting everything to
> 0xFF ahead of time.  That is much less likely to mask programming
> errors than clear-to-zero is, and you can usually tell when you
> are looking at the unitialized parts of it in the debugger.  (all
> bits off is a common random garbage value, but all bits on is not.)
There are stories about a certain professor who disliked the value
0xF001 because his buggy program happened to print it during a demo.
But seriously, that technique is indeed far superior to implicit clearing.

-- 
Andres Soolo   <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

A straw vote only shows which way the hot air blows.
                -- O'Henry

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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Voting (was: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 16:08:54 -0500

Craig Kelley wrote:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi) writes:
> 
> > On 14 Dec 2000 10:07:00 -0700, Craig Kelley wrote:
> >
> > >They discovered their error and then tried to foist their claim that
> > >the ballot was "confusing", when in reality, the voters were given bad
> > >instructions by party leaders.
> >
> > I think if the ballot was clearer, we would have seen much less of this.
> 

The ballot was PERFECTLY CLEAR.  Even my DOG can follow an arrow.


The problem was that certain senile Democrat sychophants were too
lazy to remember WHO they wanted to vote for, so they mere wrote
down the position-number of the candidates on their 'palm card'
(pre-printed by the Demoncrook party)....

And these morons didn't even bother to CHECK THE NAME on the ballot
to check to see HOW the ballot layout corresponded with the holes.

All they bothered to do was "vote for #2"....which, for those who
were counting HOLES, rather than counting NAMES,  ended up being
the candidate in position 6.




> Agreed.
> 
> > If what you were saying is true, then what about the "bussers" elsewhere ?
> > Are you trying to imply that they are only in Florida, or that they only
> > gave bad instructions in Florida ?
> 
> There were 2 million ballots thrown out nationwide.  We will never
> know which candidate recieved more votes; we only know that Bush won
> in the sampling of electoral votes.
> 
> Any statistician will tell you that there was no winner in this
> election; everything was *well* within a single standard deviation of
> the norm.  It was a tie, and there is no way to fairly empower a
> president in this situation.
> 
> > If the leaders couldn't6 work out how to instruct the voters correctly,
> > what does that say about the effectiveness of the ballot design ? This
> > would imply that it's not just the illiterate bums who can't work it out,
> > even the party leaders were having trouble!
> 
> Time for election reform, before it happens again.
> 
> > >Should those votes "be counted"?  I dunno, I can see both sides of the
> >
> > I can understand why both sides wanted to gerrymander this election in
> > their favour, but I don't think they should be counted.
> 
> Agreed.
> 
> > Of course, if it wasn't for the way the electoral system worked (with third
> > party candidates syphoning off major party votes), Al Gore would have easily
> > won Florida.
> 
> And Bush Sr. would have trounced Clinton in '92.
> 
> Que sera, sera.
> 
> --
> The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
> Craig Kelley  -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Name one thing Microsoft INVENTED....
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 16:16:07 -0500

Tom Wilson wrote:
> 
> "Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > Seems like people are having trouble naming ONE THING
> > Microsoft invented.
> >
> > So I'll try it again on it's OWN THREAD.
> >
> > Name one thing, just one thing Microsoft actually
> > invented.
> >
> > You don't even have to give me a LINK to prove it.
> >
> 
> 1. The BSOD.
> 
> 2. The General Protection Fault.
> 
> 3. Those silly little "call customer support" compiler errors that go away
> the next time you compile.
> 
> Actually, Component Object Model technology is rather clever. Did someone
> there come up with that?

Think hard.....what is Microsoft's history of "innovation" ???


>                          I'm not sure...

                                        Doubt is the safe choice.


> 
> --
> Tom Wilson
> Registered Linux User #194021
> http://counter.li.org


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 16:20:13 -0500

Tom Wilson wrote:
> 
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > > Steve Mading writes:
> > >
> > > >> My statement wasn't applied to "at the time".  I'm talking about now.
> > >
> > > > You didn't say so.
> > >
> > > I shouldn't need to say so for those who understand context.
> > >
> > > > (See I can be a pendantic pain too.  Your game is fun.)
> > >
> > > You're erroneously presupposing that I'm playing a game, Steve.
> >
> > Tholen...
> >    when you finally realize how utterly worthless your life is...
> >    remember to slit lengthwise.
> 
> ....Along the femoral artery. It's quicker that way.

Let's see if Tholen can follow directions...


> 
> Tom Wilson
> Registered Linux User #194021
> http://counter.li.org


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 16:23:17 -0500

Tom Wilson wrote:
> 
> "Steve Mading" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:918t6h$qhq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > : Yes...the term liberal (root: liber = freedom) has been absconded
> > : with by the freedom-hating socialists.
> >
> > Then why help then mis-use it?  Stop calling them liberals then.
> 
> They get mad when you call them Socialists because it sounds un-American.
> 

Communists always hate being confronted with their lies.


> --
> Tom Wilson
> Registered Linux User #194021
> http://counter.li.org


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 16:29:22 -0500
From: Gary Hallock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Corel to pull out of Linux

Erik Funkenbusch wrote:

>
>
> You're forgetting that a distribution may have some GPL'd software and some
> non-GPL'd software.  You're free to copy the GPL'd stuff, but not the
> non-GPL'd stuff, which means you need to examine the license of piece of
> software on the distro unless you can be reasonably assured (ala debian)
> that everything is indeed free to copy.

The ftp site for a distribution will not contain any code that is not legal to
download, so you are quite safe in downloading anything you want and making
copies.

Gary


------------------------------

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: Name one thing Microsoft INVENTED....
Date: 16 Dec 2000 21:31:01 GMT

Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Donn Miller" <dmmillerzoominternet.net> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> . <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > Microsoft does not make or design mice, they were (at the time that
>> > the scrollwheel was introduced) repackaged logitech mice, designed
>> > by logitech engineers.  :)
>>
>> I don't know if I'd want to give any more money to MS, even though I've
> heard
>> that MS mice are pretty good.  Does Logitech get any of the profits from
>> those MS mice?

> Note the smiley at the end of his sentance.  He wasn't serious.

Well, not entirely anyhow.  Microsoft does indeed not make hardware.
Their mice are indeed repackaged.

> Man, this is how rumors start and stay forever.

Dammit.




=====.


------------------------------

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Caifornia power shortage...
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 12:53:55 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Mon, 11 Dec 2000 13:34:29 GMT, 
 Chad Myers, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
 brought forth the following words...:

>
>As much as great nuclear facilities are, the nuclear waste problem in
>the U.S. alone is staggering. Coal power plants are becoming cleaner
>every year and producing more power. We should build a few more around
>the country to hold us off until the Tokomak comes online in 5-10
>years and provides the entire world with enough electricity for decades.
>
>Trust me, I'm no environmentalist or tree hugger, but I'm practical.
>Plutonium 239 has a half-life of 24,000 years or so. The only practical
>disposal is into outer space or embedded deep in geologically stable
>shelf rock far below underground water run off systems in a remote
>part of the desert.  Even as practical as these sounds, there are only
>a few places in the world this can be accomplished, and with the shear
>amount of nuclear waste in this world, ejecting into space is rather
>costly. Nuclear fission is inferior, costly, and dirty. Fusion power
>is probably 5-10 years away from being usable, I think we can make
>due until then.
>

While I agree with the ideas above, we've been saying that fusion is 5-10 years
away for more that 40 years.

-- 
Jim Richardson
        Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
        Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.


------------------------------

From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: System's analysis?  What does this person do ?
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 16:43:20 -0500

"Donal K. Fellows" wrote:
> 
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > peter wrote:
> >> How do you train to be a systems analysis?
> >
> > 4-year college degree in computer systems engineering, or
> > computer and electrical engineering.
> 
> You also need some programming and software maintenance experience;
> without the first you tend to make laughable suggestions, and without
> the second you're nowhere near cynical or callous enough to do a
> decent job that doesn't come back to haunt you...

All too true.

> 
> Donal (some perfectly-adequate degrees are shorter though.)
> --
> "Understanding leads to tolerance, which in turn leads to acceptance. And from
>  there, it's just a quick hop to speeding in Ohio, chewing peyote, and
>  frottage in the woods with a family of moose. And I just want to claim my
>  part of the credit."                      -- bunnythor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

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From: Jerry Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.x
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 21:46:20 GMT

In comp.os.linux.x Brian V. Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>writes:
> |> "Brian V. Smith" wrote:
> |> > 
> |> > I'm asking nicely again - please keep this stuff out of the linux newsgroups!
> |> > Don't be jerks.
> |> > 
> |> 
> |> that trick never works.

> Tell me about it - Jerry Peters sent me an email telling me to "GO TO HELL!"

> Why are these people such jerks?   I'll have to tell his daddy to cut off his net 
>access.

> -- 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> Brian V. Smith ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www-epb.lbl.gov/BVSmith
> Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory
> I don't speak for LBL; they don't pay me enough for that.
> Check out the xfig site at http://www-epb.lbl.gov/xfig

>  To the optimist, the glass is half full. To the pessimist, the  
>  glass is half empty. To the engineer, the glass is twice as big 
>  as it needs to be.

Would you like me to post _your_ reply, Brian?

        Jerry


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Caifornia power shortage...
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 21:47:16 GMT

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Woofbert
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 wrote
on Sat, 16 Dec 2000 11:43:43 GMT
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

[snip interesting stuff]

>Tritium has a half-life of 10 years, so there isn't any in seawater. It 
>has to be made from Lithium. 
>(http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/nucene/fusion.html#c5) 

Dumb questions -- how much energy does it take to make an atom of
tritium from lithium, how much lithium is floating around (on
the crust, or in seawater, or whatever), and does the fusion
reaction reclaim this energy?

[.sigsnip]

-- 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
                    up 83 days, 15:00, running Linux.

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