Linux-Advocacy Digest #961, Volume #30 Mon, 18 Dec 00 16:13:06 EST
Contents:
Re: Is Windows an operating system like Linux? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Uptimes (R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ))
Re: Sun Microsystems and the end of Open Source (Craig Kelley)
Re: Conclusion ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Conclusion ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! (Russ Lyttle)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! (Russ Lyttle)
Re: i LOVE this- the auther is a genius (Peter Hayes)
Re: i LOVE this- the auther is a genius (.)
Re: Tell us Why you use Windows over Linux. (.)
Re: Kulkis digest, volume 2451897 (John Jensen)
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Is Windows an operating system like Linux?
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 02:43:58 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Erik Funkenbusch in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Sun, 17 Dec 2000
>Mark said:
>> Any and all of these APIs could have been implemented in DesqView.
>> Windows requires DOS, pure and simple, thus it is not an operating
>> system.
>
>They could have been implemented in DesqView, but weren't. Thus, DesqView
>is not an OS.
Guffaw.
In re-examining this statement (I pondered it for several minutes, and
finally managed to understand how it could have been posted by someone
who wasn't a complete idiot) I find that it ultimately comes down to a
post-modern conundrum. But since I don't think Erik is capable of
grappling with post-modern conundrums, I'll presume it is a semantic
fallacy.
It isn't the provision of services, but the ability to provide services,
which makes DesqView an OS in this model, Erik. If you'd like to switch
to a market model, where something is defined as an OS because that's
what people buy and call an OS, your position is equally doomed. But it
might prove an interesting counterpoint to this technical side of the
discussion, so I'm game if you are.
And I promise not to bring up Judge Lessig's theory of partial
substitution, OK? I'll get the ball rolling.
So if an OS is defined by whether it has OS features desired by the
market, if I bundled a ham sandwich with a file system, would that make
it an OS? (Just kidding.)
Netscape supports plug-ins. Does that make it an OS?
>Tell me, would Linux be an OS if it only provided the same services that
>DesqView did (from a general perspective, not a DOS perspective).
Would DOS? It did, and its an OS. Saying "what if Linux weren't an OS,
would it then be an OS" doesn't make sense, if you try to analyze it.
Your question about DesqView's services "from a general perspective not
a DOS perspective" (which I assume to mean DesqView's services exclusive
of those provided to an application by DOS) is the inverse of your
argument. No, Linux wouldn't be an OS if it only were equivalent to
DesqView. Thus, Windows, which shares the same relationship with DOS
that DesqView did, is not an OS.
>You're
>only argument is that if the OS depends on DOS, it's not an OS. That's not
>an argument.
Actually, it is the argument, and it is a very valid one. So concrete,
in fact, that I think you haven't even begun to recognize it. When you
do, you'll probably ignore it as a semantic, even post-modern, argument.
Post-modernists like yourself do that a lot. If it depends on DOS,
which is an OS (according to dubious assertion), then it isn't an OS.
That is the argument. Now deal with it.
>> > If you're looking at an OS as a kernel only, then what do you consider
>> > mkLinux? Which runs linux in a subsystem?
>>
>> Yes, mklinux is not the OS in this case.
>
>Alright, the Linux running on a S/390 isn't an OS either. Neither is MacOS
>X, nor is the GNU HURD. Your definition of an OS is outdated and certainly
>not supported by many experts in the field.
No, you've just tried to set, and then stumbled into, a trap concerning
semantics. I feel compelled to point out that this is not unusual of
your posts. State your up-to-date definition supported by many experts
in the field (I doubt you'll find one, but if you make one up *and then
stick to it*, that will suffice), and I'll show how it is
self-conflicted when applied to Windows, which is not an OS.
[...]
>> Under Windows, DPMI is the methodology on which the shell is based. On
>> OS/2 DPMI is an API provided by the OS for DOS applications. Do you
>> understand the difference?
>
>It's the same with Windows. Only DOS apps can make use of DPMI. Windows
>implements it's memory management in a way that is compatible with DPMI, but
>to suggest that windows uses DPMI itself is silly, and stupid.
Somewhat like your posts, Erik. Silly and stupid. You just supported
precisely what Mark was saying. *Windows* makes use of DPMI. The fact
that other applications don't, unless they use it 'directly' for DOS, is
what illustrates that Windows isn't the OS; DOS is.
--
T. Max Devlin
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:33:05 -0500
Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >
> > I have yet to meet a (post-1970's American) "liberal" who wasn't also
> > a closet-commie.
>
> Hey, c'mon over to my house and see the commie flags I got tacked up
> in my closet. Now you know why I wear only plain jeans and plain
> shirts. Now you know why everyone in the neighborhood drives my car,
> eats in my kitchen, and meets in the garage every week. Do you want
> to look at my manifesto? Here, have a wodka!
> <cha-ching>
>
> You better watch it, or I name names! You no can order from Hop
> Sing anymore.
> <cha-ching>
>
> Actually, you know that Santa's a commie... he wears red, he uses
> a traditionally Russian mode of transportation ("On Dasher on Dancer!"),
> and he practices the equal distribution of goods. C'mon.... Rudolph????
> <cha-ching>
>
> I was watching the Christmas parade the other day. I watched the
> garish floats, the boats being towed, people parading down the
> street under the electric lights and wires, wearing strange garb,
> and I thought, man, if Jesus ever saw this he'd crap in his toga.
> Then I saw the Shriners speeding all over the place in their
> go-carts. I asked a bystander, "How are those go-carts powered?",
> and he answered "By alcohol." A scene right out of Norman
> Rockwell.
Drinking too much Thunderbird before posting, I see.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Uptimes
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 20:34:52 GMT
In article <Bx9%5.35912$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "Bob Hauck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > On Sat, 16 Dec 2000 16:57:12 +0200, Ayende Rahien
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >"Otto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >news:hrK_5.94292$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >>
> > >> "R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard )" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
message
> > >
> > >> : If you are connected directly to the internet, and you
> > >> : have a business event that triggers a huge traffic event,
> > >> : your half-hour peak could involve over 1 million CALS spread
> > >> : across 100 servers (the Victoria Secret video).
> > >>
> > >> No it would not. IIS 4.0 has no licensing requirement for
internet
> > >> connections.
> > >
> > >Nor does IIS 5.0, for that matter, or any web server I'm aware of.
> > >CAL doesn't mean that.
> >
> > What about SQL Server? If you have dynamic web content that's
served
> > from SQL Server, does each simultaneous connection from IIS require
a
> > CAL or not?
> >
>
> Nope, the client is the IIS Server A single client, Or you license
SQL
> Server by number of processors it is running on. Note these
processors can
> either be in the same machine or on separate ones.
Quoted from Microsoft EULA for IIS:
<quote>
FOR MICROSOFT WINDOWS NT SERVER -- CLIENT ACCESS
In addition to the Client Access requirements currently set forth in the
applicable EULA,
<b> you need a separate Client Access License for Windows NT Server in
order to access or otherwise utilize the following Windows NT Server
basic network/application services or Server Software components:</b>
Microsoft Message Queue Server (sending or receiving messages from
Microsoft Message Queue Server), Microsoft Transaction Server (invoking
component-based applications managed by Microsoft Transaction Server),
and Remote Access Service (accessing the server from a remote location
through a communications link). Note: Remote Access Service includes the
use of Internet Connection Services, including Internet Authentication
Services (validation or transference of a remote access request) or
Connection Point Services (remotely configuring the Microsoft Connection
Manager Client with new phone numbers or other data). Performance or
Benchmark Testing. You may not disclose the results of any benchmark
test of either the Server Software or Client Software for Microsoft
Message Queue Server, Microsoft Transaction Server or Microsoft Internet
Information Server to any third party without Microsoft's prior written
approval. Installation on a Single Server. The Server Software
components that make up the applicable SOFTWARE PRODUCT may only be
installed together for use on one Server and may not be separated,
unless otherwise provided herein. Note on Microsoft Site Server Express.
You may freely copy and distribute Microsoft Site Server Express for
your use on any computer within your organization.
</quote>
> > --
> > -| Bob Hauck
> > -| To Whom You Are Speaking
> > -| http://www.haucks.org/
>
>
--
Rex Ballard - VP I/T Architecture
Linux Advocate, Internet Pioneer
http://www.open4success.com
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and growing at over 9%/month! (recalibrated 10/23/00)
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From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Sun Microsystems and the end of Open Source
Date: 18 Dec 2000 13:40:59 -0700
"Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Do you find it ironic that you spend many hours fudding linux and yet
> > manage to complain when people attribute malicious intent to the
> > corporate culture you seem so hell bent on promoting?
>
> The Corporations and the Penguinista's are their own worst enemies. They,
> together are guaranteeing that OSS will never be more than a passing hobby
> in most cases. Businesses don't, nor will they ever, risk their bottom line
> on an OS that they cannot guarantee support for. MS's support may be
> convoluted or even, in some cases, expensive but it is there and available.
> I cannot guarantee that the writer of a given module in Linux will be
> available or even willing to assist. My experience in this has indicated
> that they won't help.
Nobody will pay for any operating system in 50 years. Do you honestly
think that we're going to chunk down $500 for Microsoft Windows 2050
and Microsoft Office 2050? Open source software will rule, it's only
a matter of time. There will always be commercial software, but it
will be that of artistic value (ie, games, nicheware, etc.) rather
than technical value.
(But don't let the obvious hamper your dellusions.)
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Conclusion
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 22:40:41 +0200
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said Ayende Rahien in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Mon, 18 Dec 2000
> >"Jim Richardson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> [...]
> >If I understand the way Netcraft works, it reads the HTTP reply from the
> >site, a proxy or a file wall or whatever wouldn't interupt with that, but
> >they would interrupt with the packet, therefor, Netcraft would report an
NT
> >system with Unix uptime, which would result in 1/10 the real uptime of
the
> >Unix box and wouldn't report the NT uptime at all.
> >However, on Netcraft, they would list the Unix's uptime/10 as the NT's
> >uptime.
>
> No, no. You're acting as if there's an "uptime count" in the packet
> header. That's not the way it works.
They need to get the uptime *somehow*.
Assuming that they do, they would get it from *nix in 1/10 seconds, and from
NT in 1/100 seconds.
If they get *nix uptime & NT server, then they count the unix uptime/10,
which lower the count considerably.
> >"Netcraft determines the operating system of the queried host by looking
in
> >detail at the network characteristics of the HTTP reply received from the
> >web site. "
>
> As far as I can tell, it determines the operating system by recognizing
> the 'network characteristics' in the HTTP reply which provides the
> uptime counter. Apparently, there is a way to get a web server to
> provide the uptime counter for the OS, according to Netcraft. I know of
> no such mechanism, but then I don't know anything at all about web
> servers, specifically.
I don't think that there is.
The only thing that all webservers follow is HTTP protocol, and there is
nothing there that provide uptime to the whole wide world.
> Nobody has provided any evidence, aside from the
> necessary presumption supplied by the fact that Netcraft publishes
> numbers, that such a mechanism exists, but, then, nobody has refuted it
> in any way, either. This imaginary method of getting a system uptime
> from "tcp/ip headers" is nonsense, as far as I know, and I'm not
> entirely ignorant of tcp/ip and the details of its headers.
So, IOW, you are saying the Netcraft's uptime numbers are invalid, right?
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Conclusion
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 22:41:14 +0200
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said Erik Funkenbusch in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Sun, 17 Dec 2000
> 19:45:48 -0600;
> >"Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:91jm3l$ju3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> Win2K uses the same uptime scheme that NT uses, 100s of ms.
> >> Therefor, it resets itself every 49.7 days
> >> How did Netcraft listed starbucks' uptime, then?
> >
> >No, MS completely overhauled their TCP/IP stack for Win2k, and it appears
to
> >not cycle at 49.7 days anymore.
>
> It never cycled at 49.7 days to begin with. You confuse the rolling
> over of a counter with some actual programmatic event. The GetTimeTicks
> function used in Windows is still the wrong order of magnitude.
Don't you mean GetTickCount() ?
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From: Russ Lyttle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 20:44:53 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> Russ Lyttle wrote:
> >
> > Steve Mading wrote:
> > >
> > > In comp.os.linux.advocacy Bruce Ediger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > : The arrow keys went left arrow/up arrow/down arrow/right arrow.
> > > : Exactly the motions that the h, j, k and l commands perform in "vi".
> > > : I assumed that Bill Joy (or whoever) put in hjkl because of familiarity
> > > : with VT-100 arrow keys.
> > >
> > > The story I'd heard is that Bill Joy's terminal actually had
> > > little arrows drawn on the keycaps right on the hjkl keys, and so
> > > that's what he used. The fact that this was fast because it was
> > > under the right hand (well, shifted off by one key) was not a planned
> > > benefit. It was sort of accidental.
> > Why were the arrows drawn on his keycaps?
>
> Part of the factory production, in fact.
>
I can understand that. But factory production does not take an extra
step for no reason. I think that those conventions were already
established much longer ago. Anyone have a layout of older keyboards
from back in Teletype days? When ESC and CTRL meant something? I've lost
my references on those during one of my moves. I don't use VI much, but
I thought its conventions were based on a much older tradition.
> >
> > --
> > Russ Lyttle, PE
> > <http://www.flash.net/~lyttlec>
> > Not Powered by ActiveX
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
--
Russ Lyttle, PE
<http://www.flash.net/~lyttlec>
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From: Russ Lyttle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 20:45:51 GMT
Jeff Glatt wrote:
>
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
> >Windows has brought us the largest collection of
> >sponge heads in computing since the invention
> >of pac-man.
>
> Correction: Tholen uses OS/2
Tholen isn't that smart.
--
Russ Lyttle, PE
<http://www.flash.net/~lyttlec>
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From: Peter Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: i LOVE this- the auther is a genius
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 20:54:42 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 18 Dec 2000 02:13:51 GMT, "Chad C. Mulligan"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Peter Hayes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > On Sun, 17 Dec 2000 20:43:08 GMT, "Chad C. Mulligan"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
<snippage>
> > > Name one incident where the respondent didn't leave the table rich.
> >
> > Spyglass
> >
>
> Doesn't count, the software was public domain. NCSA is public funded
> therefore the products are public domain.
Well, whoever licenced what became the code to Internet Explorer to
Microsoft on a royalties basis - IE was given away, therefore no royalties
paid... I thought that was Spyglass.
My copy of IE5 says it contains code "Distributed under a licensing
agreement with Spyglass, Inc."
If the code was public domain why did M$ need to licence it?
Sorry, it does count.
Peter
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: i LOVE this- the auther is a genius
Date: 18 Dec 2000 21:01:14 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "glitch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> based on my typing skills for the subject im not the 'auther' of the
>> article, lol
>>
>> glitch wrote:
>> >
>> > http://www.msnbc.com/news/503816.asp
> <sigh> Gates doesn't have a conscience, huh?
> Never mind the billions he's given away in the name
> fo world heath standards and lessening the suffering
> of millions around the world.
He actually hasnt given away "billions". Hes given away
"millions", and lets be reminded that the entire thing was
a tax deduction.
> Let's also not mention that he has contributed hundreds
> of millions to local childrens and children-benefit organizations
> around the country to support inner-city and underprivileged children.
It actually hasnt been hundreds of millions. Chad, once again, has his
figures completely incorrect.
Lets see some numbers behind the statements chad, please?
For once?
=====.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: Tell us Why you use Windows over Linux.
Date: 18 Dec 2000 21:04:06 GMT
mitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 15 Dec 2000 17:54:12 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) wrote:
>>
>>"MSN Messenger"
>>
>>Sir, you have no business using linux at all. What you must do is stay
>>far, far away from operating systems geared toward people who are something
>>other than entirely lame.
>>
> It is the best instant messenger program available on the windows
> platform - which I use because of the lack of any worthwhile audio
> software on linux.
Interesting that youve chosen an operating system partially because
its supports the instant messenger software that you like.
Seriously though, please do us all a favor and stay far, far away
from linux. The lest 'instant messenger' types we have to deal with,
the better.
=====.
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From: John Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Kulkis digest, volume 2451897
Date: 18 Dec 2000 21:45:20 GMT
Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
: John Jensen wrote:
: >
: > Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
: > : [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: >
: > : > How ironic
: >
: > : Tholen, name ONE non-relative who thinks you're worth having around?
: >
: > Unoffical Scoring:
: >
: > Tholen: 3 /* low on content, but not actually harmful */
: > Kulkis: 1 /* low on content, and increasingly nasty */
: I don't suffer fools like tholen, or you, lightly.
That might be your problem, right there ;-)
John
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