Linux-Advocacy Digest #961, Volume #33 Thu, 26 Apr 01 20:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: Impact of Internet (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Windows 2000 - It is an excellent product (Chronos Tachyon)
Re: Article: Want Media Player 8? Buy Windows XP (Sean)
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) (GreyCloud)
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) (GreyCloud)
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) (GreyCloud)
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) (GreyCloud)
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft (Andrew Molitor)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To:
comp.arch,comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.object,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.theory,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: Impact of Internet
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 23:15:56 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Aaron R. Kulkis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:05:59 -0400
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> In misc.invest.stocks Edward Hsu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Are you related to Amy Hsu?
>
>No, but he has a sister named Sue Hsu.
If that's a joke, it's so so. :-)
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- but I'll bet her other sister is a lulu :-)
EAC code #191 10d:06h:28m actually running Linux.
This is a voluntary signature virus. Send this to somebody.
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From: Chronos Tachyon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 - It is an excellent product
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 23:37:43 GMT
On Thu 26 Apr 2001 05:56, Bobby D. Bryant wrote:
> Chronos Tachyon wrote:
>
>> Thanks to Erik Funkenbusch(!), I managed to get CD burning working as a
>> regular user, and it required altering the local security policy to
>> permit
>> mortal users to load and unload drivers. Yeah, that's plain wrong, huh?
>
> Could I have a guest login on your computer for a few minutes, please?
>
>
> Bobby Bryant
> Austin, Texas
>
>
>
Thankfully, said computer is behind a Linux firewall...
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Chronos Tachyon
Guardian of Eristic Paraphernalia
Gatekeeper of the Region of Thud
[Reply instructions: My real domain is "echo <address> | cut -d. -f6,7"]
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From: Sean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Article: Want Media Player 8? Buy Windows XP
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 23:48:28 GMT
Why would anyone be surprised that Microsoft was trying to
<gasp> leverage its monopoly to damage competitors? How
long does it take to forget:
- Stac Electronics (MS lost in court)
- Digital Research/Caldera (MS paid Caldera $150M++)
- Intel (Intel caved in and stopped "competing")
- Netscape (see DOJ action)
This is a long-standing pattern of behavior, and Real
Networks et al. are only the latest in a growing line.
Their other tactic is simply to buy the company if they
think a) they couldn't write it themselves and/or
b) they can get more leverage:
Q-DOS (became MS-DOS, and cost $3M or so later on)
Lattice (for their C compiler)
Multiplan (became Excel)
Sybase (became SQL Server)
Powerpoint
Fox (became FoxPro)
Avalanche (SGML tools)
Visio
Intuit got away because of <gasp> anti-trust concerns.
Sean
====
Dave Martel wrote:
> "Microsoft is requiring consumers who want to use the latest version
> of Windows Media Player to upgrade to the new Windows XP operating
> system--a move that is reminiscent of the company's controversial
> decision to tie the Internet Explorer browser with Windows."
>
> <snip>
>
> "'There are some features with Windows Media Player that can only be
> delivered with Windows XP,' said Jonathan Usher, Microsoft's group
> product manager for Windows Media Player. These include CD burning and
> DVD movie playback, among other features not available with earlier
> versions of the product."
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 16:49:24 -0700
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> Roberto Alsina wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 26 Apr 2001 09:44:27 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >Roberto Alsina wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, 25 Apr 2001 23:42:35 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> >Roberto Alsina wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On Wed, 25 Apr 2001 02:24:23 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
> > >> >> >Roberto Alsina wrote:
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> billh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >"Roberto Alsina"
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> After immigrating I could become a citizen. Yet you said I "will
> > >> >> >> >> never become a juror". That is not something you can possibly know,
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >Tell us all when you do become a juror within any jurisdiction in the
>USA.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Let me guess... I immigrate, I naturalize, then I get called, eventually,
> > >> >> >> and not disqualify myself, then I am not disqualified during jury
>selection.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >how much did you bribe the INS people to naturalizes you, you ignorant twit.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Who told you I naturalized?
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >So, you admit that you have never passed the naturalization test,
> > >> >which requires you to demonstrate that you understand the Constition
> > >> >(which includes the 2nd Amendment)
> > >>
> > >> What's a constition? Anyway, I am not bound by your constitution,
> > >> knowing it is not important.
> > >
> > >You claim to be in the United States.
> >
> > Quotes please. I am not, and have not been, in several years, in the US.
> > In fact, I am pretty far from the US.
> >
> > >As long as you are on US soil, thne you are legally bound by it.
> >
> > Unless I am a diplomat.
>
> Yes, you are. Diplomats have been tried and imprisoned in the United States.
> Diplomatic immunity applies ONLY if the diplomat's government asserts it.
>
> If, for example, a diplomat walked out infront of his embassy, and started
> shooting protesters, I can guarantee that he would, at the very least,
> rot in prison for the rest of his natural life.
>
> >
> > >Hope that helps.
> >
> > It helps seing you have some strange thoughts in your mind that I
> > have no clue where they came from.
> >
> > >> I have not passed the naturalization test because I have no need
> > >
> > >No surprise there.
> >
> > Indeed.
>
> So, you admit that your understanding of the philosophical foundation
> of the US constitution, and the liberties it guarantees, is sufficiently
> less than your endorsement of the oppressive "government is always right,
> the poeple cannot be trusted" police state from which you came.
>
> My suggestion, Roberto, is that if you don't appreciate living
> in a free society, that you go back to the fascist hole you
> crawled out of.
>
> >
> > >> for it, Aaron, I am a citizen of where I live.
> > >
> > >And from what you have said so far, you couldn't pass the
> > >test if you tried
> >
> > Oh, I can lie in tests adeptly.
>
> So, you admit that you are untrustworthy.
>
> >
> > >You're still bound by the US Constitution as long as you are within
> > >the borders of the United States.
> >
> > Really? Gee, maybe I knew that already when I said I am not
> > bound by the US constitution.
>
> Try murdering someone in broad daylight and see what happens,
> you fascist pig.
>
> >
> > --
> > Roberto Alsina
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
> can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
Remind him what George Bush Sr. did to that Panamanian President! He's
still rotting in our prison.
--
V
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 16:51:17 -0700
Roberto Alsina wrote:
>
> On Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:37:10 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >> >> >So, you admit that you have never passed the naturalization test,
> >> >> >> >which requires you to demonstrate that you understand the Constition
> >> >> >> >(which includes the 2nd Amendment)
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> What's a constition? Anyway, I am not bound by your constitution,
> >> >> >> knowing it is not important.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >You claim to be in the United States.
> >> >>
> >> >> Quotes please. I am not, and have not been, in several years, in the US.
> >> >> In fact, I am pretty far from the US.
>
> Notice how here I say plainly that I am not in the US.
>
> >> >So, you admit that your understanding of the philosophical foundation
> >> >of the US constitution, and the liberties it guarantees, is sufficiently
> >> >less than your endorsement of the oppressive "government is always right,
> >> >the poeple cannot be trusted" police state from which you came.
> >>
> >> You say "from which you came". Where do you think I came to, Aaron?
> >
> >You came from a central american police state, where the people are
> >not to be trusted, and government officials can do no wrong...
>
> That's funny. I have never even been in Central America, except on
> vacation (you should try Cancún, nice place). Perhaps you can quote
> where I said that?
>
> And you didn't say where do you believe I came *to*.
>
> >at least, if you believe the bullshit you write.
>
> I think you are confusing me with one of the voices in your head.
>
> --
> Roberto Alsina
Are you in Argentina?
--
V
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 16:52:40 -0700
Roberto Alsina wrote:
>
> Chad Everett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >On 26 Apr 2001 13:54:24 GMT, Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>On Thu, 26 Apr 2001 09:44:27 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>Roberto Alsina wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, 25 Apr 2001 23:42:35 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>> >Roberto Alsina wrote:
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> On Wed, 25 Apr 2001 02:24:23 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
> >>>> >> >Roberto Alsina wrote:
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >> billh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>> >> >> >
> >>>> >> >> >"Roberto Alsina"
> >>>> >> >> >
> >>>> >> >> >> After immigrating I could become a citizen. Yet you said I "will
> >>>> >> >> >> never become a juror". That is not something you can possibly know,
> >>>> >> >> >
> >>>> >> >> >Tell us all when you do become a juror within any jurisdiction in the
>USA.
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >> Let me guess... I immigrate, I naturalize, then I get called, eventually,
> >>>> >> >> and not disqualify myself, then I am not disqualified during jury
>selection.
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> >how much did you bribe the INS people to naturalizes you, you ignorant twit.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Who told you I naturalized?
> >>>> >
> >>>> >So, you admit that you have never passed the naturalization test,
> >>>> >which requires you to demonstrate that you understand the Constition
> >>>> >(which includes the 2nd Amendment)
> >>>>
> >>>> What's a constition? Anyway, I am not bound by your constitution,
> >>>> knowing it is not important.
> >>>
> >>>You claim to be in the United States.
> >>
> >>Quotes please. I am not, and have not been, in several years, in the US.
> >>In fact, I am pretty far from the US.
> >>
> >>Roberto Alsina
> >
> >He's in Argentina.
>
> Yup. Buenos Aires, to be exact.
>
> --
> Roberto Alsina
I would very much like to visit Buenos Aires. But I don't think it
would be safe for me and my wife to do a vacation there. (?)
--
V
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Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 23:53:49 GMT
In article <EE_F6.419$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Phlip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>Huh, IP can seldom cope on a GOOD day. The idea of an IP based network
>>>staying up under severe stress is just too funny to be funny.
>
>During the Gulf War when the US bombed Iraqui "command and control
>facilities" they were often going after network servers. They never brought
>the net down.
I am fascinated by the idea that you, a random usenet
poster, is privy to what is surely information deemed quite secret
by the Iraqi government. Are you a highly placed Iraqi military
official?
>Staying up during a war is what TCP/IP was >designed< to do.
Let's be careful here. Some grant proposals were written
which called out the is a design criterion, or desideratum. Some of
those grants resulted in money, some of which was spent to develop
TCP/IP.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 16:57:40 -0700
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> GreyCloud wrote:
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > >
> > > Roberto Alsina wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 09:46:17 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >Roberto Alsina wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 06:48:22 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
> > > > >> >Roberto Alsina wrote:
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> billh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >"Roberto Alsina"
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >> I personally believe any killing not in self defense, including
> > > > >> >> >> killing at war, should be considered murder.
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >You need to mature and understand that truth and reality aren't what you
> > > > >> >> >"personally believe".
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> I understand what the situation currently is.
> > > > >> >> However, that doesn´t mean I think that situation is perfect,
> > > > >> >> or even very good.
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> Sadly, we have been, as a society, convinced by the men with
> > > > >> >> guns that they have a right to kill.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >My house has over half a dozen guns, and ammunition for each,
> > > > >> >and I haven't been convinced that I have any "right to kill"
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Why do you have lethal weapons?
> > > > >
> > > > >Because defending yourself is a human right.
> > > >
> > > > So, you say you have a right to kill, if you are defending yourself.
> > >
> > > I have a right to defend myself. If it takes lethal force to do
> > > it, then so be it.
> > >
> > > > And you have a gun.
> > > >
> > > > Now, why did you say "I haven't been convinced that I have any
> > > > "right to kill""?
> > >
> > > Ok, let's clarify here.
> > >
> > > Having a right to kill in self defence is NOT the same as
> > > claiming a right to murder....which is what your original
> > > statement implied.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >> If the answer is "to defend myself", who would you be defending
> > > > >> yourself against?
> > > > >
> > > > >Violent, law-breaking criminals.
> > > >
> > > > For example, if someone was robbing your TV. The guy is there, going
> > > > off the window, with your TV in his hands. Would you shoot him?
> > >
> > > Absolutely.
> > >
> > > Theft is slavery. And the proper punishment for slavery is death.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Roberto Alsina
> > >
> > > --
> > > Aaron R. Kulkis
> > > Unix Systems Engineer
> >
> > Just as a point here... in our town a few years back a guy got shot in
> > the back in someones front yard. The police took the gun away from the
> > shooter and the man was taken to jail. The judge, after listening to
> > the arguments, ruled that the man was justified in shooting the other
> > guy. Reason: the deceased had a criminal history and the shooter was
> > afraid for his life. The shooter was set free after a few days in jail.
> >
>
> We need more judges like this.
>
> What's more outlandish is that the Prosecutor's office had the
> man kept in jail in the first place.
>
> > --
> > V
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
> can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
He was a damn good judge. My friend was getting a divorce,( she thought
the $50k limit was to be used up on her credit card!). The judge asked
her if she charged up this debt herself. Which she replied yes, but
its' his card. The judge asked him if he was there when the credit card
was used. Which he replied, "No, but I found these on the bank
statement." The judge gave him the divorce and told her that these were
her debts, not his. Very fortunate he was.
--
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Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Molitor)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 00:01:15 GMT
In article <9c9vlj$28s$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Nick Maclaren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Paul Repacholi wrote:
>>> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>>
>>> > Can they robuset enough to continue operating during a nuclear war,
>>> > like TCP/IP?
>>>
>>> Huh, IP can seldom cope on a GOOD day. The idea of an IP based network
>>> staying up under severe stress is just too funny to be funny.
>>
>>That's a BANDWIDTH issue, which has nothing to do with robustness.
>>
>>Hope that helps, feeble-minded twit.
>
>Hmm. If the bandwidth limitations of IP were all the problems it
>caused me, I would have a much easier life. If you look into its
>design - I won't say more carefully, because a quick glance will
>do - you will see that it is the antithesis of robust.
>
>The fact that it was designed to work on unreliable transport media
>doesn't mean that it delivers a reliable result, whatever sense
>you apply to reliable. TCP is nominally a 'reliable' channel, but
>is prone to failure saying just "shan't", jamming at several levels,
>and so on.
I am pleased to have Aaron killfiled, so I only see responses
to his witty little responses.
One of the larger troubles TCP/IP has is its routing, which
isn't scalable in any reasonable sense. It can be made to work on
large networks by the simple expedient of throwing vast quantities
of memory and compute power at it. By failing to separate the
'who am I' address from the 'how do you get to me' address, IP managed
to completely avoid scalability. IPv6 managed to cleverly Not Fix
this.
The Byzantine efforts required to make this routing architecture
work in a large network would be quite hilarious if they didn't hurt
so badly.
On the other hand, I am not personally aware of a network that
scales better, except for the telephone network, a fact which is
directly attributable to its addressing and routing architecture.
This does not mean that there aren't lots of other networking protocols
out there that scale really well -- only that I don't know about them.
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