Linux-Advocacy Digest #357, Volume #31 Tue, 9 Jan 01 19:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Operating Systems? Where would you go next? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Microsoft releases Games console ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Microsoft releases Games console ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Microsoft releases Games console ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Microsoft releases Games console (Tim Smith)
Re: Microsoft releases Games console (Tim Smith)
Re: Microsoft releases Games console (Tim Smith)
Re: Operating Systems? Where would you go next? (Steve Mading)
Re: kernel problems (JM)
Re: kernel problems (JM)
Re: kernel problems (JM)
Re: open source is getting worst with time. (JM)
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant. (JM)
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant. (http://hypnofiles.50megs.com/ray.jpg)
Re: How the f*ck do I install .xpi plugins ? (JM)
Re: You and Microsoft... (JM)
Re: You and Microsoft... (JM)
Re: You and Microsoft... (JM)
Re: You and Microsoft... (JM)
Re: Linux *has* the EDGE! (JM)
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Operating Systems? Where would you go next?
Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 18:10:34 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> In <93fsqm$qeo$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>writes:
> >In comp.os.linux.advocacy Richard Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >: As the programmer who maintains the mainframe text editor that many in
> >: my programming group use (UEDIT on OS2200), I've decided that adding a
> >: configurable item is vastly preferable to hard-coding behavior because
> >: I've seen a number of occasions where my own preference set disagrees
> >: quite strongly with the preferences of some of my coworkers.
> >
> >Aaron wasn't complaining that the behaviour was configurable. He
> >was complaining that the default should be the other way around.
> >
>
> pissy pissy egotism. "It should be MY way outta the box" even when
> something is easily configured any way you want. "Anybody who
> does it different from ME is stupid ..."
XEDIT's default behavior is to facilitate generating punchcards...
technology which was almost totally phased out nearly 20 years ago
(exception: voting machines in Democrook-run counties).
>
> bah
>
> --
> härad ængravvåd
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft releases Games console
Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 18:11:15 -0500
Nigel Feltham wrote:
>
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote in message <07K66.581$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >"J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> >>
> >> > http://www.ultimatetv.com/
> >>
> >> So, how come tivo is popular, but nobody's even heard of this one?
> >
> >MS just launched it recently. There's also ReplayTV, which isn't Linux
> >based either.
> >
>
> Also doesn't help that the linux machine being open based will eventually
> work
> with all TV sources (terrestrial, sat and cable) yet the MS device follows
> their
> crappy closed standards phillosophy and only works with their own Satellite
> transmissions.
Sony Betamax...without the quality.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft releases Games console
Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 18:12:05 -0500
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> "Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:93g4bs$a7jc6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > Erik Funkenbusch wrote in message <07K66.581$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> > >"J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > http://www.ultimatetv.com/
> > >>
> > >> So, how come tivo is popular, but nobody's even heard of this one?
> > >
> > >MS just launched it recently. There's also ReplayTV, which isn't Linux
> > >based either.
> >
> > Also doesn't help that the linux machine being open based will eventually
> > work
> > with all TV sources (terrestrial, sat and cable) yet the MS device follows
> > their
> > crappy closed standards phillosophy and only works with their own
> Satellite
> > transmissions.
>
> Uhh.. MS doesn't own DirecTV. Also note that TiVo has recently begun
> selling an integrated unit as well (again, with DirecTV) and the picture
> quality is amazing because there is no analog to digital conversion for
> recording.
>
> You are still limited to whatever video source TiVo decides to support.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
And this is different from any other system how, exactly
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft releases Games console
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 17:36:03 -0600
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> >
> > "Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:93g4bs$a7jc6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > Erik Funkenbusch wrote in message
<07K66.581$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> > > >"J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > >> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > http://www.ultimatetv.com/
> > > >>
> > > >> So, how come tivo is popular, but nobody's even heard of this one?
> > > >
> > > >MS just launched it recently. There's also ReplayTV, which isn't
Linux
> > > >based either.
> > >
> > > Also doesn't help that the linux machine being open based will
eventually
> > > work
> > > with all TV sources (terrestrial, sat and cable) yet the MS device
follows
> > > their
> > > crappy closed standards phillosophy and only works with their own
> > Satellite
> > > transmissions.
> >
> > Uhh.. MS doesn't own DirecTV. Also note that TiVo has recently begun
> > selling an integrated unit as well (again, with DirecTV) and the picture
> > quality is amazing because there is no analog to digital conversion for
> > recording.
> >
> > You are still limited to whatever video source TiVo decides to support.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> And this is different from any other system how, exactly
Nigel seemed to be saying that TiVo users could adapt their TiVo boxes to
use any source they wanted to. That's not the case (I wish, I'd love it if
I could use an optical coupling for digital sound). My point was that you
are still limited to whatever hardware TiVo gives you in the system (there
are a few miraculous hacks already, such as an ethernet card for the TiVo,
but it's highly unlikely anyone will be coming up with new video sources for
the thing)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tim Smith)
Subject: Re: Microsoft releases Games console
Date: 9 Jan 2001 15:26:43 -0800
Reply-To: Tim Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Microsoft releases Games console
....
>Where's the Linux games console? Has anyone invented one yet? Linux is
>quite capable of it - so why not? Why is it not even a starter?
www.indrema.com.
--Tim Smith
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tim Smith)
Subject: Re: Microsoft releases Games console
Date: 9 Jan 2001 15:35:15 -0800
Reply-To: Tim Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On Mon, 8 Jan 2001 16:04:05 -0600, Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Also, if windows is so good at Video applications then why is there
>> no windows based video recorder system like the linux based TIVO
>> device
>
>There is.
>
>http://www.ultimatetv.com/
Generally, though, people developing this kind of thing outside of
Microsoft will choose Linux, because of the open source. Windows NT has
a very interesting driver architecture, allowing many cool things, but,
unfortunately, the documentation is not always clear. Windows 9x has a
driver architecture that is quite amazing, considering the severe
backward compatibility constraints they had, but the documentation for
it is in many cases completely missing or hopelessly out of date. It is
not possible to write reliable Win 9x drivers without significant
reverse engineering of Windows itself.
>From the point of view of a driver writer, it is *much* easier to write
drivers for Linux than Windows, just because of the documentation and
the availability of source when the documentation fails.
--Tim Smith
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tim Smith)
Subject: Re: Microsoft releases Games console
Date: 9 Jan 2001 15:36:02 -0800
Reply-To: Tim Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On Tue, 09 Jan 2001 07:00:25 GMT, J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
>> http://www.ultimatetv.com/
>
>So, how come tivo is popular, but nobody's even heard of this one?
Uhm...because TiVo has been out for years, and UlimateTV is just
launching?
--Tim Smith
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip
Subject: Re: Operating Systems? Where would you go next?
Date: 9 Jan 2001 23:55:09 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Ayende Rahien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: "Steve Mading" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
: news:93fnt6$6lq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
:>
:> Compression on top of Compression usually doesn't make the file
:> smaller, in fact the overhead of the compression scheme makes it
:> even bigger. This assumes the first compression was any good. If
:> the second compression still finds enough redundancies and patterns
:> to make more compression, then that is evidence that the first
:> compression was pretty poor. This is why I dislike automatic
:> compression at a low level. For example, compressing TCP/IP data
:> over a phone modem is silly if the modem itself already uses
:> compression.
:>
:> Running something like PKzip on a file the OS already compressed
:> for you is going to make it take more space, not less.
: Well, actually, the way NT compress a file isn't quite the way PKzip does.
: NT divide the file to 2 clusters units.
: And compress each unit individually, if the last bit isn't exactly large
: enough for two clusters, it won't be compressed.
: This scheme is a compromise between access speed and compression, if PKzip
: wants to zip this file, it will access the raw file, not the compressed
: data.
: It will compress it, and then return compressed data to another file,
: assuming that the other file is also FS-level-compressed, then NT will do
: the above procedure while it try to compress it.
: I'm not sure what the result would be space-wise.
Unless the NT compression is pretty bad, using PKzip wouldn't improve
things much, but it could very easily make the file size *bigger* than
the unzipped version, as that is common when you try to compress
data that doesn't have any discernable patern. (This is what compression
does - remove the redundancies and try to express patterns in a way that
cannot be reduced any further. Once that's been done, there should be
very few redundancies and patterns for a second compression program to
make use of.)
So, you are right that PKzip would be compressing the raw, uncompressed
file stream, but then if this file stream, after PKzipping, got stored
by NT's compression scheme, NT would be compressing already compressed
data, and it would be doing so only by 1 cluster at a time from your
description, so its chances of finding patterns that PKzip missed is
pretty low (PKzip looks for patterns across the whole file, so it
can find more global as well as local patterns). So NT would end up
exploding out data that would have been better left alone as-is.
Now, this assumes that NT doesn't have some sort of ability to detect
when the compressed version is larger than the original. If it has
that smarts built in, it might be able to realize it should store the
raw version of the cluster in that case.
--
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
Steven L. Mading at BioMagResBank (BMRB). UW-Madison
Programmer/Analyst/(acting SysAdmin) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
B1108C, Biochem Addition / 433 Babcock Dr / Madison, WI 53706-1544
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From: JM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: kernel problems
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 00:03:41 +0000
On Tue, 09 Jan 2001 04:18:23 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>On Tue, 09 Jan 2001 03:07:22 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>By the way, it was MY error, not linux's fault, as is every problem i've even
>>had. MY FAULT, NOT LINUX. Is that clear enough for you, wintroll? I usually
>>don't bother with assholes like you. But, don't come to MY forum and tell ME
>Sorry to see they have gotten to you. The Penguinista's that is. They
What the fuck's a "Penguinista"? Surely you can do better than that...
>always blame the user instead of the OS. It's NOT YOUR fault because
>the very questions you asked are asked thousands of times over and
>over and over again by Linux users.
Yes, it's too much to ask that they might READ something for
themselves. They're used to Windows helping them through everything
with giant wizards etc.
>Just like the "Why do my fonts
>look like shit?" question. See the "Font De-uglification How-To"to
>band aid that one.
Wow, you're starting to learn something.
>By the way, don't go to sleep... (Body snatcher Movie in case you
>don't get it).
>Flatfish
>Why do they call it a flatfish?
Because all her arguments fall flat?
>Remove the ++++ to reply.
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From: JM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: kernel problems
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 00:03:42 +0000
On Tue, 09 Jan 2001 04:12:40 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>On Mon, 8 Jan 2001 17:42:10 +0100, Peter Köhlmann
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Even if building a kernel for linux results in total failure, it is still
>>way better than the kernel-build you can do yourself (take whatever
>>win-version you wish)
>Don't have to build anything with Win2k, it works right out of the
>box, unlike Linsux..
And suppose you want to alter the way it works?
>I prefer spending my time running applications, not building an
>operating system which has NO applications of any use to run.
You must REALLY know what you are talking about.
>What a joke Linsux is...
What a joke Windows is.
>Flatfish
>Why do they call it a flatfish?
Because it's wet, scaly and when foiled it just ends up helplessly
flapping about?
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From: JM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: kernel problems
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 00:03:43 +0000
On Tue, 09 Jan 2001 05:02:10 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>On Mon, 08 Jan 2001 23:38:31 -0500, Gary Hallock
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Clearly a lie. You obviously prefer to spend most of your time bashing
>>Linux. How many hours a day to you spend on that? When do you find time to
>>do anything useful?
>I have lot's of time, lot's of time. Being self employed
Just substitute "un" for "self" and you may be closer to the truth.
>has many
>advantages over reporting to a cubicle everyday and watching the CEO
>(who has a contract BTW do you?)get rich and fat, and the slaves lose
>their benefits one at a time.
>
>Yep, I left that world years ago for obvious reasons, money being one
>of them. Free time being another, and yes I have lots of time to spend
>exposing Linux for the pile of trash that it is.
You might want to try getting a hobby, or getting laid.
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From: JM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: open source is getting worst with time.
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 00:03:44 +0000
On Mon, 08 Jan 2001 17:49:01 +0000, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
(Nick Condon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>Stephen Cornell wrote:
>> The only
>> 2-pin socket you're likely to see in the UK is a shaver socket in the
>> bathroom,
>That's right, Aaron's obviously shacking up in a bathroom on his UK trips.
He can only afford to sleep in the public bogs.
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From: JM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant.
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 00:03:45 +0000
On Mon, 08 Jan 2001 21:48:45 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
(* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>JM wrote:
>> >anyway, a computer platform is not merely the theoretical core it is based on.
>> >it is a sum of all it's parts.
>> If you check the name of the group you'll see it's called
>> comp.os.LINUX.advocacy,
>really???? gee.. from where i'm standing it says alt.linux.SUX
Well, you must be fucking blind. If you look at the headers you'll see
it says comp.os.linux.advocacy.
>> and I read somewhere that Linux only refers to
>> the kernel
>well then it must be true!!!!
>
>excessive punctuation for addressing the excessively stupid -kK
OK THEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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From: http://hypnofiles.50megs.com/ray.jpg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant.
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 00:03:46 +0000
On 9 Jan 2001 01:24:44 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
([EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)) wrote:
>In comp.os.linux.advocacy * <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>> * wrote:
>>> >
>>> > "." wrote:
>>> Now just hold on here a minute!!!! How do we know that
>>> "*" isn't really "." in disguise!!!???
>> c'mon, " . " is just a little speck..
>>
>> i'm a wildcard! ;)
>Yes, but I am your current working directory.
And I'm a picture of Ray Gordon.
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From: JM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How the f*ck do I install .xpi plugins ?
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 00:03:46 +0000
On Mon, 08 Jan 2001 13:33:39 -0500, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
("Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>Mike wrote:
>> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > You can get rifles at the supermarket?
>> >
>> > Where do you live?...I wanna live there, too.
>> I saw a comedian once who said something like, "If everyone carried a gun,
>> we'd all be a whole lot more polite. I'm not saying things would be better,
>> but we'd all be a whole lot more polite."
>>
>> So maybe you don't want to live there.
>If everyone being polite means
>
>a) not breaking into people's homes
>b) not stealing
>c) not mugging
>d) not assaulting people
>e) not murdering
>f) etc.
g) not tripping people up
h) not making fun of people
i) not shouting at people
j) not looking at people in a funny way
k) not accidently spitting in the wrong direction etc etc etc
>Then....why not?
Because it would be like living under, er, actually, I can't think of
anything to compare it to.
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From: JM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: You and Microsoft...
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 00:03:48 +0000
On 08 Jan 2001 22:25:33 -0700, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
(Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>"Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> "Pete Goodwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:qwq66.162349$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > Nigel Feltham wrote:
>> >
>> > > >> You will never be able to install Microsoft Windows via the
>> > > >> internet.
>> > > >
>> > > >But you need a machine on the internet to install it in the first
>> place!
>> > >
>> > > You mean you cannot make a windows bootable disk to connect to the
>> > > internet and start the installer then - this is possible under linux
>> (some
>> > > distro's still allow this - mandrake can install from an ftp site but
>> may
>> > > need the CD put in your own ftp server as I am not sure if their server
>> > > has all files from the CD).
>> >
>> > Not as far as I know. The bootable disks supplied with CD's (if they are
>> > even supplied at all) are just MSDOS. I don't think anything on the
>> Windows
>> > CD's allows this either.
>> >
>> > However, it is possible to get a network stack up on MSDOS, though I
>> > haven't seen a TCP/IP one (that doesn't mean there aren't any).
>>
>> This is precisely how you'd do it. The software is here:
>>
>> http://www.simtel.net/simtel.net/msdos/tcpip.html
>And where do I get real-mode drivers for my USB ethernet connection,
>or any other ethernet card made in the last 5 years?
>
>No, you cannot install Windows over the net. I've *never* seen anyone
>do it under Windows, but it happens with Linux all the time (and I've
>seen considerable more people who've installed Windows than Linux).
>
>Net Ghost seems to be the closest thing, but that really is a disk
>imager, not an OS installer.
And anyway, where would you download Windows from legally?
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From: JM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: You and Microsoft...
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 00:03:49 +0000
On Mon, 8 Jan 2001 16:22:05 -0600, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
("Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>"JM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> You will never see a Microsoft Windows Compiler installed
>> >> in your Windows product by default.
>> >True, you need to buy one.
>> Ahah, more $$$ for microsoft....
>GCC is available for Windows, and there are free compilers, like Borlands
>5.5 compiler.
What? My version of Windows didn't come with any compilers...
>> >> You will never be able to install Microsoft Windows via the
>> >> internet.
>> >But you need a machine on the internet to install it in the first place!
>> On Linux you can boot off a floppy on a bare system and download it
>> all.
>You can do the same for Windows. Just make a DOS boot floppy with network
>stack, download the files and go.
Where from? And what if DOS makes all my files 8.3? And what if I've
got a Winmodem?
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From: JM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: You and Microsoft...
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 00:03:51 +0000
On Mon, 8 Jan 2001 16:26:18 -0600, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
("Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>"JM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> You will never be able to install Microsoft Windows on a new
>> >> computer without having to go thru 3 reboots.
>> >You'll never be able to install Linux (or any other OS) without at least
>2
>> >reboots. Reboot 1 to boot from floppy or CD to start the installation
>> >process,
>> Not if you boot as soon as you switch it on.
>That's still a boot.
But not a reboot. And in some versions of Linux you don't need to
restart during installation at all.
>> >and reboot 2 to load the newly installed kernel with new
>> >configuration.
>> And again whenever you install some drivers?
>Are you talking about Windows? Windows 2000 doesn't usually require reboots
>for installed drivers. Sometimes, but not usually. Linux also requires
>reboots for some drivers, since they're compiled into the kernel.
I'm talking about 98, which seems to need to restart even when
installing programs.
>> >> You will never see a Microsoft Windows Compiler installed
>> >> in your Windows product by default.
>> >That's because there is no need for the vast majority of people. If
>there
>> >was a need, you'd see one.
>> Lots of people need word processors and spread sheet programs. Do they
>> come included with Windows?
>Yes, a word processor does. Wordpad. I'd say that less than 10% of the
>pupulation needs a spreadsheet.
Wordpad. What a fucking amazing program. It's IMMENSE. You also forget
that nearly everyone else uses Word, so they will have to purchase
that.
>> >> You will never see a Microsoft Windows Web Server installed
>> >> in your Windows product by default.
>> >Why would you want to? Just click the option in the setup to install the
>> >web server. Big deal.
>> Yes, you get the amazing personal web server which even if you select
>> to install, whenever you want to run it it still asks to be
>> installed?!?!
>You're thinking Windows 9x.
Yes. What's your point?
>> >> You will never be able to install Microsoft Windows via the
>> >> internet.
>> >You can already.
>> How?
>DOS boot disk with network stack. Download files, run setup.
>Alternatively, install LAN-Manager redirector and run setup off the server.
Where will I download the files from? What if I'm using a Winmodem?
>> >> You will never find a version of Microsoft Windows which can
>> >> achieve an uptime of over a week.
>> >Now this is a flat out lie. Hell, Windows 98 can stay up for weeks at a
>> >time.
>> As long as you maintain it to fuck and don't run any programs.
>Not even. My 98 machines stay up regularly without reboots for weeks. I
>never turn them off.
Not even when you go to bed? Isn't that just a waste of electricity?
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From: JM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: You and Microsoft...
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 00:03:52 +0000
On Tue, 9 Jan 2001 07:37:55 +0000, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
(Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>JM wrote:
>> >Now this is a flat out lie. Hell, Windows 98 can stay up for weeks at a
>> >time.
>> As long as you maintain it to fuck and don't run any programs.
>We left our web server alone for two months before rebooting. That's no
>maintenance at all.
That's strange. Mine seems to crash every two/three days, and
sometimes it lets individual programs crash the entire thing.
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From: JM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux *has* the EDGE!
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 00:03:53 +0000
On Tue, 9 Jan 2001 07:58:43 +0000, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
(Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>> Then when you realize that Debian your using was downloaded over the net
>> with a floppy or two as an assistant, you wonder why anybody is so stupid
>> as to run Windows.
>Not on my 56k modem and not here in the UK. There are no free phone calls
>here yet.
There are actually some offers with BT Surftime, but there's limited
supply and the servie is supposed to be shit.
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