Linux-Advocacy Digest #771, Volume #31 Sat, 27 Jan 01 16:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: All this Whistler stuff. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Run for the hills! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Uptimes by OS, for the Hot 100. ("Bobby D. Bryant")
Re: Tolerance.h (mlw)
Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?) ("Chad Myers")
Re: How long does your box run for? (Ralph Miguel Hansen)
Re: Ramen worm/virus cracks NASA and others (David Utidjian)
Re: THOLEN IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT (Ralph Miguel Hansen)
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant (Roberto Alsina)
Is the Web really fragile? (jtnews)
Re: Run for the hills! (J Sloan)
Re: Kernel upgrade - not bad at all ("Edward Rosten")
Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?) (J Sloan)
Re: you guys suck and so does your os! (J Sloan)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (J Sloan)
Re: you guys suck and so does your os! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: 3100 W2K Adv Servers deployed accross Europe (J Sloan)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (J Sloan)
Re: Tolerance.h ("Martigan")
Re: Is the Web really fragile? ("Martigan")
Re: Linux 2.4 Major Advance (J Sloan)
Re: How long does your box run for? (J Sloan)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: All this Whistler stuff.
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 19:10:36 GMT
Which question, I see multiple?
"SR" (in contrast to "SP") means a Service Release with new features.
Who doesn't want new features as time passes? (Oops, I forgot this is a
forum for essentially a 30 year old technology that doesn't keep up well
with new innovations.)
Even if "SP" was intended, are you really suggesting that Linux goes
more than 4 months without a single bug fix?
kiwiunixman wrote:
>
> good question. to any people from the Microsoft think-tank? why is this so?
>
> kiwiunixman
>
> "Martigan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:Vzkc6.29755$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > News articles around are claming this thing to be the greatest
> invention
> > around. What I want know is if it is so great, an you can do so many
> things
> > with it, why can't you customize it, i.e. the kernel? Cuz M$ don't want
> you
> > to know! Plus is it is so great then why will there be a SR-1 about four
> > months after it's release?
> >
> >
> >
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Run for the hills!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 19:13:03 +0000
kiwiunixman wrote:
> hmm, how old are you Pete? From the maturity of your post, you sound like
> a 10 year old with a chip on his sholder.
40 years old.
You've obviously never developed a "sense of humour".
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: "Bobby D. Bryant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Uptimes by OS, for the Hot 100.
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 13:09:21 -0600
"Bobby D. Bryant" wrote:
> > > > Solaris - 35 sites (30 with stats), avg 60.18, max 334.76, min 6.26
> > > > Linux - 19 sites (14 with stats), avg 36.73, max 89.39, min 4.94
> > > > W2K - 11 sites, avg 19.82, max 45.05, min 3.84
> >
> > Hello, Chad! Four days and counting. Where's that reply?
>
> Hello, Chad! Five days and counting. When are you going to come out and
> champion the Unix killer?
Hey, Chad! Six days and counting. Are you sure you haven't seen this yet?
Is your news server's DNS down or something?
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Tolerance.h
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 14:22:03 -0500
It really is NOT about tolerance. It is about making sure that the notion that
linux is a viable OS in it's own right and has the opportunity to be accepted.
It is also about being loud and clear that Microsoft need not be the only game
in town.
Many of the "penguinista" (I kind of like that term, in a "freedom fighter"
sort of way) are fighting the good fight against Microsoft dominance. I do not
personally begrudge Microsoft's right to exist as a company, but it needs to be
shouted from the rooftops how bad their stuff is, and how much they have hurt
the computer industry.
I will be the first one to applaud and support them when put effort into
product quality and stability. I will be the first one to support MS Office
when microsoft makes a commitment to working with other vendors toward inter
operability.
Right now Microsoft is a blight. They destroy companies with unfair tactics,
they use their monopoly position to crush competition with better product. The
only reason why Linux even exists, is because it is free. No funded company
could have taken the time and resources to write an OS which could compete,
from scratch. Many old timers may remember "Go Computing."
What makes this situation even worse, is that countless billions are spent each
year playing "keep up with the API," and forcing 3rd party software vendors to
upgrade end user systems with "redistributable" components, which make it
virtually impossible to track what kind of Windows system someone is really
running.
DOS/Windows (9x and ME) are nothing more than realmode DOS and a bloated DOS
extender. NT/2K are nothing more than a virtual VMS clone with an emulated
Windows environment.
If you can't do what you want on Linux, then use Windows if you have too, but
if you want stability, economy, stability, usability, use Linux.
--
http://www.mohawksoft.com
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 19:05:27 GMT
"Johan Kullstam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > "Kevin Ford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > T. Max Devlin once wrote:
> > > >Said Chad Myers in alt.destroy.microsoft on Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:34:36
> > > > [...]
> > > >>It's interesting then, now that FAT has moved on, whereas ext2fs
> > > >>has not. (NOTE: I realize FAT sucks, I'm not trying to claim it's
> > > >>better than ext2fs, just more updated).
> > > >
> > > >Guffaw.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Hmmm..... what's ext3 and reiser then
> >
> > Where are ext2 and reiser?
>
> reiserfs is available from ftp.namesys.com.
So?
So, I'm an enterprise. I have millions of dollars resting on the stability
of my XYZ software server. I have to be absolutely certain that it won't
go down because I lose thousands of dollars a minute on downtime.
I need, among other things, a rock-sold filesystem that I can depend on.
I can:
a.) Go with MS and have a filesystem that is true tested and has been
around for years
or
b.) Go with an unreleased, non-production, not-fully-tested filesystem
that even Red Hat and SuSE don't trust to be their default filesystem.
Uh-huh, sure.
>
> > Still not shipping or production.
>
> SuSE has been shipping reiserfs for some time now.
As an at-your-own-risk. Namesys doesn't claim it's fully prime-time.
It may be on the SuSE CD, but it a.) isn't the default OS, and AFAIK,
doesn't appear on the list of filesystems to choose from when you're
in the initial installation of Linux.
-Chad
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From: Ralph Miguel Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How long does your box run for?
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 20:31:18 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Edward Rosten wrote:
> I'm curious, so I'd thought I'd fire off a question:
>
> How many of you leave your Linux boxen on 24/7 and how many of you switch
> them off every night?
>
>
> Cheers
>
> -Ed
>
> PS I switch mine off every night (mostly).
>
My PC's run 24/7 only when I am not at home, making a trip through Europe
in the holidays or something like that. So my longest uptime was about 20
days. Usually, I turn them on, start working and turn them out when going
to sleep.
Ralph Miguel Hansen
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From: David Utidjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Ramen worm/virus cracks NASA and others
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 14:33:02 -0500
Otto wrote:
[deletia]
> : Wow, guess what? Red Hat has had fixes for over 4 months. What are
> : they supposed to do, personally visit every site that uses Red Hat and
> : make sure the fixes have been installed?
>
> Although that's also true, but Red Hat should've fixed it in the version
> 7.0.
It used different exploits for RH6.2 and RH7.0. Apparently the exploits
that this worm used for 6.2 ARE "fixed" in 7.0. The exploits the worm
used for 7.0 ARE specific to 7.0.
IOW the exploits that the worm uses in 7.0 are different from the 6.2
exploits. All of the exploits the worm uses in 6.2 were fixed as of last
July. The 7.0 exploits were fixed by last November (at least).
-DU-...etc...
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From: Ralph Miguel Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: THOLEN IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 20:45:58 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>
snip
>
> 1) Get off your retarded ass...
> 2) Take your maggot-infested brain to the rim of Muana Loa
> snip
Would you please be so kind to tell me who is Muana Loa ?
I really don't know that.
Keep smiling
Ralph Miguel Hansen
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 19:44:27 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Pete Goodwin once wrote:
> >In article <94nmkd$8o8$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> There is a legitimate reason to do what Aaron did. There are some
> >> websites out there that check the browser type and alter their
> >> behavior accordingly. Some of them don't account for the existance
> >> of Linux, and as such deny a Linux browser even when there's no
> >> technical reason it woudln't work.
> >
> >I don't think there are that many sites out there - I would have
noticed
> >as I use konqueror and Netscape from Linux.
> >
>
> How would you know unless you had compared them to IE5 at the same
time?
Erm, if a site "deny [access?] a Linux browser even when there's no
technical reason it woudln't work." itīs pretty easy to notice, even
if not comparing to anything.
--
Roberto Alsina
Sent via Deja.com
http://www.deja.com/
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Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 14:55:29 -0500
From: jtnews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Is the Web really fragile?
On cnet.com's front page on,
January 27,2000 2:50 PM EST, it reads:
Microsoft Under Fire
--------------------
Why was the company's
network so vulnerable, and
what does it say for the fragility
of the Web?
What has Microsoft's problems got
to do with the Web?
As far as I can tell the rest
of the web worked fine and the problems
were only limited to Microsoft.
This is just another example of why it is
generally unwise to depend on Microsoft
Windows or any other proprietary OS,
including Solaris, for any real Internet
infrastructure deployment.
Why should your Internet infrastructure
be paralyzed because of the inability of
a single corporation to solve its own problems?
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Run for the hills!
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 19:56:38 GMT
Pete Goodwin wrote:
> kiwiunixman wrote:
>
> > hmm, how old are you Pete? From the maturity of your post, you sound like
> > a 10 year old with a chip on his sholder.
>
> 40 years old.
>
> You've obviously never developed a "sense of humour".
Yours is so monotonous and single threaded -
It consists chiefly in bashing Linux, by all accounts.
jjs
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Kernel upgrade - not bad at all
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 19:57:14 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Matthias Warkus"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It was the Sat, 27 Jan 2001 04:30:14 -0500...
> ...and Glitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > I'm very happy and impressed with how smoothly it went, but (yes,
>> > there had to be a but ;)) I would imagine the process would be very
>> > daunting to somebody not comfortable with the unix command line. The
>> > whole process terrified my girlfriend...
>>
>>
>> yeah and i'm sure if she ever has to install Windows from scratch on a
>> bare hard drive she will have that same feeling. (remember she would
>> need a bootdisk with a cdrom driver and mscdex.exe on it,
>
> Vade retro satanas. In my limited experience, there's hardly anything
> nastier in the DOS world than dealing with CD drives.
SCSI.
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 20:01:10 GMT
Chad Myers wrote:
> So, I'm an enterprise. I have millions of dollars resting on the stability
> of my XYZ software server. I have to be absolutely certain that it won't
> go down because I lose thousands of dollars a minute on downtime.
> I need, among other things, a rock-sold filesystem that I can depend on.
> I can:
>
> a.) Go with MS and have a filesystem that is true tested and has been
> around for years
bzzt - wrong answer - if you look at the track record
of windows nt, the all too frequent crashes and the
need for therapeutic reboots make it a poor choice for
the data center.
If you must use something with a long track record, at
least use something with a GOOD track record.
Solaris, HP-UX, or AIX should all fit the bill.
In many cases, so will Linux or FreeBSD.
> or
> b.) Go with an unreleased, non-production, not-fully-tested filesystem
> that even Red Hat and SuSE don't trust to be their default filesystem.
Not sure what you mean by "default", but reiserfs has been in
production use for some time, not by bleeding edge hackers,
but conservative european businesses.
Face it chad, you're outgunned and outmanned here.
jjs
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: you guys suck and so does your os!
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 20:10:35 GMT
"." wrote:
> Christian Beaumont <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > By the way, the other question for you, reading my mail - do you think I am
> > pro Linux or against?
>
> Not that anyone really gives a shit, but no one who is pro-linux would ever
> use Outlook Express.
The simple fact is, it is for windows pcs only, so it's a
non starter for a Linux user anyway, case closed.
However, there are a number developments under
way even as we speak, so to speak. There is a new
mail/calendar/pim application under development
for the gnome desktop, called "evolution". I'm told it
compares quite favorably with outlook.
jjs
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 20:11:37 GMT
John Hasler wrote:
> Edward Rosten writes:
> > Christian morals were also invented by people.
>
> And the US was _not_ founded on "Christian beliefs".
You're splitting hairs -
There was a strong deist influence, at the very least.
jjs
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: you guys suck and so does your os!
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 20:15:51 GMT
This intelligent mature response certainly addresses the appropriateness
of the original post...
Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>
> Christian Beaumont wrote:
> >
> > Reading this newsgroup it is quite clear that in general the *advocates* of
> > Linux attitde to criticism is childish and your OS still has faults compared
> > to others even if in some areas it is superior.
>
> Legitimate criticisms are given the serious consideration which they are due
> (and I have made some myself). However, the vast majority (99.9995%) of
> the criticisms of Linux in this newsgroups come from Windows-cultists,
> most of whom
>
> a) have no little or no formal education in computational techniques,
> other than "Microsoft Office" classes.
>
> b) have little or no programming experience
>
> c) have NO understanding of basic issues like stability, and
> memory protection, nor how one effects the other
>
> d) have little or NO experience with anything other than Microsoft platforms.
>
> Basically, their criticism are akin to:
>
> "What the fuck is wrong with you?!?!? eating that prime rib steak.
> Eeegads, you need a knife and a fork to eat it. Only an idiot would
> would pass up this sumptious array of barnyard shit for steak.
> Look what you have to choose from: Sheep shit, Cow shit, pig shit,
> chicken shit. What more could you want. EVERYBODY I KNOW EATS THIS
> SHIT! There must be something wrong with you, and anybody else who
> doesn't like eating shit. Anybody who doesn't eat shit should be
> forced at gunpoint to eat shit. Look, barnyard shit comes in so
> many flavors. Look here, we've got Pigshit95 and Sheepshit98
> and HorseshitNT and Cowshit2k and GoatshitME, and I hear that next
> week, they're gonna deliver a load of Quackershit...with SKINS.
> Oh God, can you imagine that...what more could you want than a
> choice of different colored skins for your Quackershit. What
> do you mean it's infested with infectious organism and is actually
> wasteproducts....it's GENUINE MICRO-FARM ***SHIT***! Who needs
> Nutrition!?!?!? BESIDES, FARMER BILL says that Cowshit2k has
> vitamin supplements, and Quackershit will have even more.
> Shit either dries out and crumbles, or gets wet and turns into
> a horrible blob of smelly goo? Why, I never noticed any such
> thing....why yes, my nose WAS amputated, why do you ask...
> no, really...look, if you just keep a tube of superglue with
> you at all times, if a little piece of your shit dried up and
> starts to fall off before you're ready to eat it, all you have
> to do is just superglue it back into place? What do you mean
> superglue wasn't meant to be eaten!?!?!? EVERYBODY EATS SHIT
> WITH SUPERGLUE IN IT!?!??! What the fuck is wrong with you that
> you don't want to eat Farmer Bill's Genuine Microfarm SHIT?!?!
> Geeze, you steak eaters sure are a bunch of stupid assholes.
> The nerve...even suggesting that Bill's shit isn't really food.
> Hrmfff!"
>
> >
> > The fact is no piece of software is software is perfect and the truth is
> > both Linux and Microsoft *want* to make a good os that is useful to
> > everyone. The other truth is that for some reason people keep buying
> > Microsoft products and it makes you wake up in cold sweats every night
> > doesn't it?
>
> The truth is, Microsoft has yet to release ANY Operating system
> that compares favorably with 1960's technology.
>
> Microsoft sells pure, unadulterated CRAP....and I, for one, am
> goddamned sick and tired of a bunch of shit-lapping retards
> telling me that I don't know how to make a proper decision, when,
> quite obviously, the accusation is MOST applicable to themselves.
>
> >
> > So can you take some criticism, can you really take it when I say Linux
> > sucks even though I don't qualify my statement?
>
> You have now demonstrated yourself to be a fucking RETARD.
>
> I will treat you like every other uneducated buffoon who comes
> in here
>
> >
> > I don't think you can. I believe you as "advocates" for linux will come
> > back and flame me and probably use crude, bad language. Realistically I
>
> No...I'll flame you for being the uneducated fool that your are.
>
> > have little faith that you can ever bite your tongues for long.
> > Unfortunately this is one of the places where you, the so-called figureheads
> > of the linux community will seemingly always fall foul of reaching out to
> > all of society. This is because apparently there are still many areas of
> > contact with the general public within your movement that fronted by fascist
> > bigots incapable of objective self criticism and rational thought.
> > Seemingly this is in contrast to the major software developers of your
> > movement who I truly believe have a solid grasp of the concrete tasks
> > necessary to make Linux a true competitor to W2K and beyond.
>
> Translation: "What the fuck is wrong with you....can't you see that
> Sheepshit2K is obviously THE most powerful food on the planet?"
>
> Yeah....right....Uh....Bellevue...yeah...me again...the usual...
> right...Net...straightjacket....his name is Chris Beaumont...yes,
> that's right...just like the Civil War surgeon...yeah...that's right...
> another one raving about the wonders of Farmer Bill's Microfarm Shit.
> ...yeah...full cult-deprogramming regimin should be just fine.
>
> >
> > What say you - eh, you whining idiots, can you suck it up and take it in the
> > ass? How about I make a speling mistake?
>
> How about you get a fucking clue, shit-lapping idiot.
>
> >
> > By the way, the other question for you, reading my mail - do you think I am
> > pro Linux or against?
> >
> > -chris
>
> Feel like a betting man?
>
> Care to put your money where your mouth is?
>
> 2005: Linux will be on 95% of corporate desktops, and 30% of homes
> throughout the United States of America.
>
> How much are you willing to bet AGAINST this prediction?
>
> >
> > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----
> > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!
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>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: 3100 W2K Adv Servers deployed accross Europe
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 20:16:34 GMT
Chad Myers wrote:
> Who holds the #1 - #4 spots on the TPC.org TPC-C performance rankings?
Just the fact that chad asks the question tells us that
there are some windows pcs there -
My prediction is that these windows records will
be broken by Unix systems - maybe solaris, maybe
aix, maybe Linux, maybe all of the above, but they
will not stand.
jjs
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 20:17:56 GMT
Ah, thanks for the correction -
jjs
Mart van deWege wrote:
> Tanenbaum is definitely not dutch. A colleague of mine followed
> some of his classes when he was teaching at the University of
> Amsterdam, and while Tanenbaum does speak dutch, according to the
> colleague (who definitely *is* dutch) he did so with an atrocious
> american accent.
> Of course it might be that the Tanenbaum family emigrated when he
> was still young, but I think it is more the case of him being an
> american of dutch descent, there are quite a lot of those.
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From: "Martigan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Tolerance.h
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 20:20:11 GMT
I'm sorry but I was meaning Tolerance for the M$ Die hard fans that will
not see the other way., along with the die hard Linux fans that believe
Windows is a piece of sh*t. Both OS's have a good point about them.
Windose is for people whom do not wish to learn about their OS; just to plug
it in and it works. Linux is for the people whom do wish to learn as much
as possible of the OS and enjoy the challenges.
I too wish to bring the experience of Linux to all my friends, but they
don't have the "tolerance" to learn a new thing.
You are right in the fact that M$ can't take down Linux cuz it is a
community, religion, or a Free Idea. If something is free how do you buy it
out?
"mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> It really is NOT about tolerance. It is about making sure that the notion
that
> linux is a viable OS in it's own right and has the opportunity to be
accepted.
> It is also about being loud and clear that Microsoft need not be the only
game
> in town.
>
> Many of the "penguinista" (I kind of like that term, in a "freedom
fighter"
> sort of way) are fighting the good fight against Microsoft dominance. I do
not
> personally begrudge Microsoft's right to exist as a company, but it needs
to be
> shouted from the rooftops how bad their stuff is, and how much they have
hurt
> the computer industry.
>
> I will be the first one to applaud and support them when put effort into
> product quality and stability. I will be the first one to support MS
Office
> when microsoft makes a commitment to working with other vendors toward
inter
> operability.
>
> Right now Microsoft is a blight. They destroy companies with unfair
tactics,
> they use their monopoly position to crush competition with better product.
The
> only reason why Linux even exists, is because it is free. No funded
company
> could have taken the time and resources to write an OS which could
compete,
> from scratch. Many old timers may remember "Go Computing."
>
> What makes this situation even worse, is that countless billions are spent
each
> year playing "keep up with the API," and forcing 3rd party software
vendors to
> upgrade end user systems with "redistributable" components, which make it
> virtually impossible to track what kind of Windows system someone is
really
> running.
>
> DOS/Windows (9x and ME) are nothing more than realmode DOS and a bloated
DOS
> extender. NT/2K are nothing more than a virtual VMS clone with an emulated
> Windows environment.
>
> If you can't do what you want on Linux, then use Windows if you have too,
but
> if you want stability, economy, stability, usability, use Linux.
>
> --
> http://www.mohawksoft.com
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From: "Martigan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is the Web really fragile?
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 20:22:23 GMT
Well to put it frankly, the companies are refusing to hire the
self-taught teenager of the 80-90's to run/protect their systems and are
hiring College grads with 2-4 years of book experience.
"jtnews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On cnet.com's front page on,
> January 27,2000 2:50 PM EST, it reads:
>
> Microsoft Under Fire
> --------------------
> Why was the company's
> network so vulnerable, and
> what does it say for the fragility
> of the Web?
>
> What has Microsoft's problems got
> to do with the Web?
>
> As far as I can tell the rest
> of the web worked fine and the problems
> were only limited to Microsoft.
>
> This is just another example of why it is
> generally unwise to depend on Microsoft
> Windows or any other proprietary OS,
> including Solaris, for any real Internet
> infrastructure deployment.
>
> Why should your Internet infrastructure
> be paralyzed because of the inability of
> a single corporation to solve its own problems?
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 Major Advance
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 20:23:55 GMT
Chad Myers wrote:
> No, just ones on LinuxToday.com and C't. There are several ZDnet ones that
> show Linux doing things better. I've never questioned the validity of those.
c't is one of the best technical publications around -
I'm sorry to hear that their failure to worship microsoft
makes you uncomfortable.
> It's just ironic how there are several companies out there doing benchmarks
> of Linux vs NT but never publish the results, or the results aren't very
> conclusive. We don't have ONE major benchmark showing Linux doing anything
> really all that well except for SpecWeb. Ever wonder why there aren't many,
> if any benchmarks showing Linux winning anything?
Well, how long has the 2.4 kernel been out?
Give it a few months.
jjs
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How long does your box run for?
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 20:25:04 GMT
Edward Rosten wrote:
> I'm curious, so I'd thought I'd fire off a question:
>
> How many of you leave your Linux boxen on 24/7 and how many of you switch
> them off every night?
The general practiice here is that windows pcs
get shut off, Linux boxes run 24x7.
jjs
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