Linux-Advocacy Digest #819, Volume #31 Mon, 29 Jan 01 13:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Global Configuration tool (WAS: Re: linux does NOT suck (oh yes it does) ) (.)
Re: 3100 W2K Adv Servers deployed accross Europe (J Sloan)
Re: Whistler predictions... ("Nik Simpson")
Re: Sound a networks (J Sloan)
Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy! (J Sloan)
Question: where do I get help? (Mark Styles)
Re: Sound a networks (J Sloan)
Re: Sound a networks (J Sloan)
Re: Question: where do I get help? (J Sloan)
Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy! (sfcybear)
Re: Yup, it's definatly Mandrake (aflinsch)
Re: How long does your box run for? (sfcybear)
Re: KULKIS IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT ("Edward Rosten")
Looking for quotes for article about migrating from Windows to Linux
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: KULKIS IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT ("Edward Rosten")
Re: KULKIS IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT ("Edward Rosten")
Re: you guys suck and so does your os! (sfcybear)
Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy! (sfcybear)
Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4 ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Global Configuration tool (WAS: Re: linux does NOT suck (oh yes it does) )
("Edward Rosten")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.microsoft.sucks
Subject: Re: Global Configuration tool (WAS: Re: linux does NOT suck (oh yes it
does) )
Date: 29 Jan 2001 17:14:09 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Kyle Jacobs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > This is EXACTLY what we told one salesman 4 years ago who
>> > mailed us a presentation in an E-mail. It won't run
>> > on NT so we're not interested!
>> >
>> > Good one Flathead!
>>
>> Any business that equates a presentation format to the
>> product in which it is interested is run by idiots.
> It's called human nature. I don't hire people
One could only hope.
> who don't come to me with a
> quality business card (ie: If I run my moist finger past the 'name' line on
> your card, the ink won't smudge)
What you're doing running your moist finger on ANYTHING during a business
meeting or interview is entirely beyond me, but you should probably not
do it.
> Presentation is EVERYTHING in business,
> that's why we all wear suits, occasionally ties, and jackets.
Really?
Right now im sitting at the office wearing:
Black BDUs, combat boots and a black t-shirt. My biker jacket is hanging on
a hook behind me. I have multiple facial piercings and lots of visible
tattoos. "We" dont all wear suits, kyle. Some of us are exempt from dress
codes in exchange for being nice enough to fix things at 3am.
>> "Well, you see, from what we understand, your clustering
>> solution is indeed powerful. But, ah, we cannot run
>> your slide show on our corporate systems, therefore we
>> cannot verify the efficacy of your system, so we'll have
>> to pass on your company at this time. Sorry."
> That's right. Your presentation was UNWATCHABLE, and the next guy's worked
> just fine. We don't have the time or resources to waste on you while you
> straighten out your presentation, you should have done that on your own
> time.
I dont have the time or resources to fix EVERYTHING ALL the TIME. Sometimes
things suffer; occasionally I wont be able to help you out of a boneheaded
move due to time constraints and scheduling. Odd that usually the people who
are the nicest and most respectful to me and my brood seem to always get what
they want.
Thats got to be a coincidence.
=====.
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: 3100 W2K Adv Servers deployed accross Europe
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:18:53 GMT
Chad Myers wrote:
> "J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > As you know, the 2.4 kernel smokes everybody in
> > specweb99 - do you dispute that?
>
> Smokes, by 3%? Oh yeah, and just on web servers. I don't know about
> you, but I don't consider web serving a real enterprise task. What
> improvements does 2.4 have for the enterprise?
Let's get this right, see if you can follow along:
Last summer, Linux benchmark results were submitted for
specweb 99. They were by far the fastest ever. In particular,
microsoft was particularly humiliated, since Linux results
were over double the performance of windows 2000 on a
similar hardware configuration.
What part of that don't you understand?
Now you keep referring to the very latest windows results,
which came several months later, were done using much
faster hardware, and even using a special web cache in
front of their web server, and came close to the results
from a plain Linux configuration, but still trailing - However,
you can't pretend that the current windows results were
already there last summer when the Linux results were
first posted.
> Ah yes. And IBM has never made a bad investment. In fact,
> IBM is batting 1000 on their choices of products. I mean,
> just look at how wildly successful Lotus has been since they
> purchased it *snicker*.
You are making a fool of yourself here -
> > This is really incredible - you have no idea what you're
> > talking about, so you stoop to name calling and insults.
>
> No, really. If you take a look at all of Linux 2.4's improvements
> and added features, it's basically everything NT 4.0 had in 1994.
I'm afraid you have no idea what you're talking about.
I used nt in 1994, it was no Linux killer
<more nonsense snipped>
If Linux is so far behind the times, what are you
worried about? Why do you frantically and angrily
denounce it in this newsgroup day after day?
Methinks you protest too much.
jjs
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Reply-To: "Nik Simpson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Nik Simpson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler predictions...
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:22:43 -0500
"Ed Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:952j11$d5n$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <Ww0d6.5171$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Nik Simpson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >Yeah, but who is going to set it all for her? Her PC came with Windows &
> >Office installed on it and I was able to get everything else she needed
for
> >Internet access setup and running in 10 minutes while I was home one
> >weekend, I couldn't do the same for LINUX and that is true for many
people
> >whether you want to deal with it or not.
> Lets just keep on deluding ourselves, OK ?
>
> Ignore this IBM link:
> http://www-4.ibm.com/software/is/mp/linux/
This deals with LINUX support options for small business, my mother hardly
qualifies and is certainly not going to pay for somebody to do this.
>
> I could list other smaller companies but I don't have time or
> inclination to become your shopping robot.
>
> >
> >This for an OS that only got basic USB support recently and that
according
> >to Nicholas Petreley's pro-LINUX InfoWorld column still doesn't support
most
> >of the USB devices he owns! If you think LINUX supports anything close to
> >the range of hardware that Windows supports then you are fooling nobody
but
> >yourself.
> >
> The contracts which prevent hardware makers, which I expect you will
> deny existing, will be swept away as part of the remedies when the
> monopoly is dismantled.
Of course Dear, don't worry, the big bad Microsoft monster will be tamed.
The reason companies don't support a particular hardware device on a
particular OS are far more related to market size than anything else. If MS
had such a lock on the hardware vendors how come they couldn't persuade them
to support NT 4.0 better?
--
Nik Simpson
--
Nik Simpson
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sound a networks
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:28:14 GMT
Pete Goodwin wrote:
> And I take it that, since these are servers, they don't run any kind of
> Desktop?
I run xdm on all my servers - they have enough RAM, and
that keeps an accidental CTRL-ALT-DEL from rebooting
them.
> Do any run X + KDE 2.0? If they do, tell me, how buggy this set up is?
I've looked at KDE 2, and it's coming along. but it's still a
bit buggy, and for now I'm running helix gnome, which has
reached a pretty good level of stability.
jjs
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy!
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:33:29 GMT
Pete Goodwin wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> spicerun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Amazing how my
> > system works much better then Windows ever did (Win98 & WinNT)on it.
>
> My system works better with Windows than Linux.
My wife's system runs better in Linux than in windows 2000.
> Linux recognises the second net card but failed to configure it.
That makes no sense. How on earth did you break it?
> It also
> isn't aware of my USB Hub, my scanner, my web cam.
Sorry, that's too easy to refute, usb is working fine here.
perhaps you have somehow disabled usb support?
Or is your distro not configured to support usb?
> I had to wait for XFree86 to get support for my Voodoo 5500 card. Your
> ATI Rage Pro is getting a bit long in the tooth, isn't it?
ATI Rage is not a bad card at all - and why did you buy
a card for which there is no Linux support, and then
complain that there's no support? I know, it gives you
something to fud about...
jjs
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From: Mark Styles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Question: where do I get help?
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:26:45 -0500
Looking at the amount of support available on the internet for Linux,
the subject of this post might seem a bit strange. However I have a
problem and I don't know where to go for help.
Since I upgraded my kernel to 2.4, I've been getting the following
errors very regularly in my firewall log:
kernel: eth1: Abnormal interrupt, status 00002002
or
kernel: eth1: Abnormal interrupt, status 00000002
I posted a note to comp.os.linux.networking, but so far I've had no
response. I know that spamming every linux newsgroup would be a Bad
Thing. So where should I go?
I think I found the piece of code generating the error, but I don't
have enough C expertise to figure out what it's doing. Is it
acceptable practice to email the author?
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Sound a networks
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:34:42 GMT
Pete Goodwin wrote:
> I have no "admitted mission" to spread "FUD" about Linux. Where the hell
> did you get that nonsense from?
You said that your "mission" is to counter Linux advocacy.
Sounds like an agenda to me!
jjs
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sound a networks
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:36:10 GMT
Pete Goodwin wrote:
> Except... I was using konqueror.
hmm, nice proof of concept browser -
hopefully soon it will be as usable as netscape.
> When I said it hung, the music stopped,
> the mouse froze etc. You think I don't know the difference between the
> whole thing hanging and one application going bad?
based on your posts, no.
jjs
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Question: where do I get help?
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:38:50 GMT
Mark Styles wrote:
> Looking at the amount of support available on the internet for Linux,
> the subject of this post might seem a bit strange. However I have a
> problem and I don't know where to go for help.
>
> Since I upgraded my kernel to 2.4, I've been getting the following
> errors very regularly in my firewall log:
>
> kernel: eth1: Abnormal interrupt, status 00002002
> or
> kernel: eth1: Abnormal interrupt, status 00000002
Are you using realtek 8139 cards?
I asked about this and was told it was a harmless debug message.
jjs
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From: sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy!
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:32:43 GMT
Well, the actual data shows that MS software is not very stable no
matter what you do to it. Facts are facts. ALL the data that has been
coming out about W2K shows that it is less stable than Linux, period.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Has anyone noticed the new line of FUD from the Winvocates?
>
> "Linux is more stable, until you put a GUI on it."
>
> It is getting harder and harder to convince myself this is not a
concerted
> effort. In just the last day or so I have seen this phrase pop up more
than a
> couple times from a few users.
>
> So, in response to Windows CEMENT (CE,ME,NT) Win2K has a poor MTTF,
they now
> all respond with the above party line.
>
> It isn't true at all. X, obviously, has a lower MTTF than Linux
proper, but
> even the worst X server has a higher MTTF than 2K.
>
> --
> http://www.mohawksoft.com
>
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From: aflinsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Yup, it's definatly Mandrake
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:25:40 -0600
Kyle Jacobs wrote:
>
> I install Mandrake 7.2, finish & reboot. Upon starting KDE2, I ran
> "mandrakeupdate" because I knew that there were a lot of things "out of
> date".
Good idea. It has been several months since 7.2 came out, a bunch of
stuff has been updated.
> Ok, downloaded all the RPMS out of date (from "normal" list) and reboot.
> What happens just minutes later? My Debian style KDE2 menus (part of
> Mandrake 7.2) are MISSING. My "office" section, my "networking" sections
> are both eradicated from the list. I figure it was a glitch, so I rebooted.
First mistake. You should have waited until update-menus completed.
> Upon getting BACK into KDE2, the menu's are STILL Missing! I guess I had
That's because you did not wait until update-menus was finished
running.
> hit a defective mirror, so I REINSTALLED Mandrake 7.2.
>
> Did the same thing, rebooted into KDE2 after the reinstall, and ran
> mandrakeupdate, tried a more "offical" mirror, rebooted.
>
> This time, "Networking", "Configuration" AND "Office" are ALL missing from
> the menu! I reboot AGAIN! STILL MISSING.
>
Same thing. Just run update-menus and wait until it finishes. Note
that it will send a bunch of processes into the background, do it from
a console and keep trying ps until yousee that it is complete.
> Can't wait till 7.3 when mandrakeupdate blows out your video card through
> software...
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From: sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How long does your box run for?
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:42:44 GMT
In article <94ug9m$rc9$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm curious, so I'd thought I'd fire off a question:
>
> How many of you leave your Linux boxen on 24/7 and how many of you
switch
> them off every night?
>
> Cheers
>
> -Ed
>
> PS I switch mine off every night (mostly).
>
> --
> Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward
Rosten
> weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
> - The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
> |eng.ox.ac.uk
>
24x7 as long as we do not have a rolling blackout here in California :-b
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: KULKIS IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:54:01 +0000
In article <Glfd6.1784$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Edward Rosten writes:
>
>> It was origionally a tholen.vs.malloy thread.
>
> Incorrect, given that I haven't responded to Malloy.
Granted. It was a malloy vs tholen thread---he had responded to
you.
>> It's moved on since, hence the new suggestion for the name.
>
> You're erroneously presupposing that it was origionally [sic] a
> "tholen.vs.malloy" thread.
I have now restated a more accurate version. It has now moved on from
that. I apologise for my typographic error, but I'm trying to learn to
touch type and have a tendency to make mistakes.
>> Because I am not the only person who objects to these (I cite Kulkis,
>> for one),
>
> You do realize that it's Kulkis who is responsible for it, don't you?
I do.
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Looking for quotes for article about migrating from Windows to Linux
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:54:27 GMT
Hi!
I'm working on an article for PlanetIT.com, about migrating from a
Windows NT/2000 network to a Linux network. Right now, I need to
hear from people who have actually moved all or part of their
networks from Windows to Linux (or other open source OS).
It would be best to reply to me by email (or phone); if there is
interest, I'll summarize replies to the group(s), as well as post
a URL for the finished article.
The sooner you can get to me, the better.
These seemed to be the right newsgroups--let me know if I'm wrong.
Thanks in advance!
-pl
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: KULKIS IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:55:35 +0000
>> >> How about:
>> >>
>> >> comp.long.pointless.and.pedantic.argument
>> >>
>> >> -Ed
>> >>
>> >
>> > And your point is?
>> >
>>
>> This thread is very big and long lasting and doesn't have a group of
>> its own, but it should.
>>
>> -Ed
>
> How's about alt.flame.tholen.vs.world?
>
> The comp hierarchy does not need this kind of besmirching...
Mabey, but this old flame war belongs on the comp hierarchy as that is
where it has spent its life. I also think that any attempt to move it from
the comp hierarchy would fail.
-Ed
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weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: KULKIS IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:57:34 +0000
In article <_mfd6.1790$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Edward Rosten writes:
>
>>>>>> AAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Its going to be another Tholen vs. Malloy thread.
>
>>>>> On what basis do you make that claim? I suggest you pay more
>>>>> attention; I haven't responded to Malloy for several months.
>
>>>>>> Why don't you start up a group:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> comp.tholen.vs.malloy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And argue away on that?
>
>>>>> Why would I want to do that?
>
>>>> I honestly have no clue,
>
>>> Then why did you suggest it?
>
>> See below.
>
> There is no answer below.
I suggested it based on past experience. That is stated below in the
quoted text.
>>>> but past experience suggests that you like arguing with Malloy.
>
>>> Past experience shows how I ignored Malloy for over a year, but he
>>> continued to litter the newsgroups with responses that did nothing
>>> more than claim that I had posted nothing of value, which is
>>> incredibly ironic.
>>>
>>> Current experience shows that I've been ignoring Malloy for several
>>> months, but he continues to litter the newsgroup with responses that
>>> do nothing more than claim that I've posted nothing of value, which is
>>> still incredibly ironic.
>
>> Which supports my idea that you will continue arguing, or at least one
>> of you will.
>
> Take it up with Malloy.
I have no wish for him to argue with me, as well as him arguing with him.
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weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: you guys suck and so does your os!
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:46:03 GMT
Yawn
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Christian Beaumont" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Reading this newsgroup it is quite clear that in general the
*advocates* of
> Linux attitde to criticism is childish and your OS still has faults
compared
> to others even if in some areas it is superior.
>
> The fact is no piece of software is software is perfect and the truth
is
> both Linux and Microsoft *want* to make a good os that is useful to
> everyone. The other truth is that for some reason people keep buying
> Microsoft products and it makes you wake up in cold sweats every night
> doesn't it?
>
> So can you take some criticism, can you really take it when I say
Linux
> sucks even though I don't qualify my statement?
>
> I don't think you can. I believe you as "advocates" for linux will
come
> back and flame me and probably use crude, bad language.
Realistically I
> have little faith that you can ever bite your tongues for long.
> Unfortunately this is one of the places where you, the so-called
figureheads
> of the linux community will seemingly always fall foul of reaching out
to
> all of society. This is because apparently there are still many areas
of
> contact with the general public within your movement that fronted by
fascist
> bigots incapable of objective self criticism and rational thought.
> Seemingly this is in contrast to the major software developers of your
> movement who I truly believe have a solid grasp of the concrete tasks
> necessary to make Linux a true competitor to W2K and beyond.
>
> What say you - eh, you whining idiots, can you suck it up and take it
in the
> ass? How about I make a speling mistake?
>
> By the way, the other question for you, reading my mail - do you
think I am
> pro Linux or against?
>
> -chris
>
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy!
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:52:48 GMT
In article <954581$vff$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Yes, of course they are, as you would know if you had used them.
Which I have, and I've found a few bugs.
> What
> is more, because the underlying kernel crashes roughly once in a
> millennium, there is always an escape route if the worst should happen.
> Allow me to demonstrate:
>
> PROBLEM
> An ill-behaved KDE program crashes the GUI (very, very hard).
> SOLUTION
> <Ctrl-Alt-F1>
> $ killall nastyapp
> <Ctrl-Alt-F7>
> Now continue with your work...
Except I tried all these to no avail...
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From: sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy!
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:51:03 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Has anyone noticed the new line of FUD from the Winvocates?
>
> "Linux is more stable, until you put a GUI on it."
>
> It is getting harder and harder to convince myself this is not a
concerted
> effort. In just the last day or so I have seen this phrase pop up more
than a
> couple times from a few users.
Come on, you know the W2K advocates are aa bunch of lemmings! One writes
something, the rest ape it to death, regardles of the facts.
>
> So, in response to Windows CEMENT (CE,ME,NT) Win2K has a poor MTTF,
they now
> all respond with the above party line.
>
> It isn't true at all. X, obviously, has a lower MTTF than Linux
proper, but
> even the worst X server has a higher MTTF than 2K.
>
> --
> http://www.mohawksoft.com
>
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy!
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:54:20 GMT
In article <9549fr$3jj$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well, the actual data shows that MS software is not very stable no
> matter what you do to it. Facts are facts. ALL the data that has been
> coming out about W2K shows that it is less stable than Linux, period.
Which is about as relevant as the price of beer when your Linux + X +
KDE 2.0 system has just frozen, and none of the usual keypresses rescues
you.
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 18:08:00 +0000
In article <kied6.22847$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Chad Myers"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Tim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:t1p97t07fol5ab7nnsham3stsdh5ci09i9@news...
>> On 24 Jan 2001 16:28:08 -0600, "Conrad Rutherford"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >OK, lesse...
>> >
>> >W2K: Insert CD into a CD ROM and turn on computer. It boots and begins
>> >to install. Enter your CD key, name and answer a few default prompts
>> >and shortly thereafter you have the a very massively feature packed OS
Nope, its not feature packed. That reauires shelling out $$$ or
downloading some GNU ports to windows.
>> >with a familiar GUI up and running with all your hardware ready to
Only familiar if you've used it before. Therefore, this argument is
erroneous.
>> >rock. HTTP, FTP, Media Server, Journaling file system, DirectX
Only a metadata journalling file system. It is not a patch on XFS which is
now nearly supported by Linux.
>> >hardware acceleration of every device, OpenGL running at the right
>> >refresh for that autodetected monitor and video card and the list goes
Another entirely incorrect argument. Linux gets more out of my moniter
than Windows can (windows can't do high resolution text modes).
Secondly, windows has no support for 57KHZ fixed frequency moniters. All
you need to do in Linux is use the correct modeline (already supplied with
X and SVGATextMofde).
>> >on. Browser ready, wordpad ready, mediaplayer supporting pretty much
Wordpad ready ROFL!!!!!
>> >every format
>> >(and others are a codec autodownload away), graphics editor and
>> >viewers, handicapped accessiblity,
Ah, yes. Paintbrush. Bats gimp. Almost on a par wit bitmap.
> the Internet could bring a major improvement in their life quality, but
> it seems that computers and the Internet have left them behind, not
> caring about them.
>
> If you'd look, you'd see that Microsoft has been the most innovative and
> staunch supporter of accessibility for disabled people. They have
> invented, and are still inventing more and more convenient ways for all
> sorts of disabled people to use Windows and therefore the Internet.
BOLLOCKS!!!
If you can view a web site on lynx, then that site will probably work in a
speech based browser. All of MS sites are very feature dependent broken
and non standards compliant (and IE helps encourage this). Try viewing one
of them if you're vision impaired. Go on...
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.microsoft.sucks
Subject: Re: Global Configuration tool (WAS: Re: linux does NOT suck (oh yes it does)
)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 18:09:16 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Jan 2001 23:28:15 GMT, Giuliano Colla
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>>> Key word here is "good"
>>>
>>
>>When that's the keyword, MS crap falls out of the picture.
>
> Tell that to the 95 percent of the world that is using MS.
After all, 10,000 lemmings can't be wrong.
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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