Linux-Advocacy Digest #819, Volume #34 Mon, 28 May 01 01:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: The nature of competition (Terry Porter)
Re: INTEL"S ITANIUM DUE OUT TUES !!!!! ("Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)")
Re: INTEL"S ITANIUM DUE OUT TUES !!!!! ("Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)")
Re: Opera ("Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)")
Re: Opera ("Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)")
Re: Opera ("Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)")
Re: Opera ("Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)")
Tribes 2 For Linux is finally here! ("Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)")
Re: Opera ("Paul Dossett")
Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! ("Jan
Johanson")
Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! ("Jan
Johanson")
Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! ("green")
Re: A Newbie Linux User Asks: (Teri)
Re: Linux dead on the desktop. ("Mike")
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! ("Jan Johanson")
Re: INTEL"S ITANIUM DUE OUT TUES !!!!!
Re: Back up in Linux ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Back up in Linux ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: The nature of competition
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 28 May 2001 03:02:52 GMT
On Sun, 27 May 2001 15:02:00 -0700,
Paolo Ciambotti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Mike Marion"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> What's scary is that we've had field engineers come in before to fix
>> systems, and we ended up teaching them about new systems. But that's
>> pretty rare. The point is, some admins are great at hardware just like
>> some hardware specialists might not be great at all the hardware out
>> there.
>
> When I was a field engineer, I found myself teaching quite a few VAX and
> UNIX sysadmins things about their systems I thought should have been basic
> knowledge for an admin. On the other hand, I learned quite a bit from
> some of the really competent ones who were willing to take their time and
> pass along some of their guru knowledge to the "hardware guy". It was a
> symbiotic relationship that benefitted customer and vendor.
>
> I don't see that anymore. The relationship today between our staff and
> all our vendors, for lack of a better phrase, sucks goats. Somewhere
> along the line, the old camaraderie got replaced by antagonism,
> territorialism, and combativeness. Customer support is dead. Vendors are
> all assholes, and clients are all jerks. I guess that's one of the things
> I like about Linux, there's still that old spirit of cooperation. And doing a
> job because everybody's here to have fun first, and earn a wage second.
AMEN!
Paolo, with your permission, I'd like to keep this one in my News collectables
as your words echo my sentiments exactly!
--
Kind Regards
Terry
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From: "Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: INTEL"S ITANIUM DUE OUT TUES !!!!!
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 15:06:28 +1200
I know IBM were creating one a few months ago when Transmeta when public, however, I
am not too sure where in the development stage
they are. SUN doesn't have any VLIM chips, all of them, from servers to
telecommunications use variants of the Sparc Achitecture,
which are RISC based.
Matthew Gardiner
--
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----
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go rm -rf /home/luser yourself
"cjt & trefoil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I know what it means, but I'm not aware of any Sun or IBM VLIW chips.
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, 27 May 2001 19:22:22 -0500, cjt & trefoil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >2 + 2 wrote:
> > >>
> > >><snip>
> > >>
> > >> However, both Sun and IBM have competing VLIW chips.
> > ><snip>
> > >
> > >To what are you referring here?
> > >
> > >I'm not aware of any.
> >
> > http://www.ucc.ie/cgi-bin/acronym
> > http://www.ucc.ie/cgi-bin/acronym?vliw
> >
> > very large instruction word
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From: "Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: INTEL"S ITANIUM DUE OUT TUES !!!!!
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 15:11:18 +1200
Let me see, I can either choose AIX-5L, HP-UX, Solaris, Linux 2.4 or Windows 64bit,
which is unproven. Most people know which one's
I will consider in a large Itanium server roll out. A clue for the clueless, it ain't
Windows.
Just because SUN and IBM don't advertise on the end luser magazines like .net or
PCWorld, doesn't mean they no product's. I guess
your ignorance is due to too much exposure around Windows.
Matthew Gardiner
--
I am the blue screen of death
Nobody can hear your screams
----
I am the resident BOFH if you don't like it
go rm -rf /home/luser yourself
"rgs50" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:4whQ6.105$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Yes, Sun and IBM have VLSI chips but they do not have Microsoft in back of
> them producing a KILLER OS ( Windows 2000 TWO or whistler or Win NT 64 ).
> There are also over 300 applications already ported to the Itanium with over
> 4,000 ( four thousand ) in the process of being ported to Itanium. Also
> when the 386 was introduced it hit the market like a brick hitting a plate
> glass window and was selling at 50 % or more than the chips list price
> because there was so much demand.
>
> Robert G Smith
>
> 2 + 2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9erv5h$ctg$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > Snauk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> > >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > Anonymous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Kenny Chaffin wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Not gonna happen. People trust sun servers. What operating system are
> > >> > they gonna use on the chip? Solaris is proven on sun hardware,
> > certainly
> > >> > not on Itanium or even much used on pentiums....
> > >>
> > >> But what about Linux,
> > >> and IBM's commitment to Linux?
> >
> > Linux is one of Intel's biggest customers on the server. Also, the Linux
> > camp has the talent to develop the compilers that this chip requires.
> >
> > Of course, Itanium, if successful, is the VLIW successor for both Windows
> > and Unix.
> >
> > However, both Sun and IBM have competing VLIW chips.
> >
> > 2 + 2
> >
> > >>
> > >> --------== Posted Anonymously via Newsfeeds.Com ==-------
> > >> Featuring the worlds only Anonymous Usenet Server
> > >> -----------== http://www.newsfeeds.com ==----------
> > >
> > >When you see IBM using Linux as opposed to their Unix variant then maybe.
> > >Also IBM makes their own chips for a lot of the high end servers.
> >
> >
>
>
>
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From: "Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Opera
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 15:14:38 +1200
Aye? The sites I go to are: www.zdnet.com www.news.com www.slashdot.org
www.linuxtoday.com www.linux.com www.osopinion.com
www.theregister.co.uk
All of the sites I visit render properly. The only site that they can't render are
those with the jack-ass Microsoft "extensions".
Matthew Gardiner
--
I am the blue screen of death
Nobody can hear your screams
----
I am the resident BOFH if you don't like it
go rm -rf /home/luser yourself
"flatfish+++" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Sun, 27 May 2001 12:59:23 GMT, "Paul Dossett"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> >Ah, yes, all the flaws, none of the frills. Makes sense to me.
>
> Not really, just none of the Active-x and Java scripting stuff.
> It's rare that I find a page that won't load with IE 5.0 in that
> configuration.
>
> Compare that to Opera which always seems to be missing some plug-in or
> another, and that is with the full version.
>
> Compare to Konquerer which seems to have lot's of troubles with pages.
>
> Compare to Netscape which under Linux is awful and under Windows is so
> bloated that the entire machine grinds to a halt just loading the
> beast :)
>
>
>
> flatfish+++
> "Why do they call it a flatfish?"
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From: "Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Opera
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 15:15:57 +1200
1. Learn Java
2. Opera != Java Runtime Environment
Matthew Gardiner
--
I am the blue screen of death
Nobody can hear your screams
----
I am the resident BOFH if you don't like it
go rm -rf /home/luser yourself
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From: "Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Opera
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 15:17:19 +1200
Download of 5.5 is 12 Megs, and it is a piece of shit. I have since moved back to IE
5 w/ Service Pack 2, all problems solved.
Pages load faster on 5.0 w/ SP2 than 5.5 w/ SP1.
Matthew Gardiner
--
I am the blue screen of death
Nobody can hear your screams
----
I am the resident BOFH if you don't like it
go rm -rf /home/luser yourself
"flatfish+++" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Sun, 27 May 2001 20:43:40 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
> wrote:
>
>
> >So what you're saying is that Java is a bloat monster. I won't disagree
> >with that.
>
> Somewhat.
>
> What I am saying is that in order to compare Opera to IE 5.x you have
> to d/l the full version which is 9.x meg.
>
>
> flatfish+++
> "Why do they call it a flatfish?"
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From: "Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Opera
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 15:21:44 +1200
Is there a phobia held amongst Wintrols that they are more than happy to pay $1300 for
a bloated office suite from Microsoft,
however, they are not willing to shell out a few dollars to buy a piece of software
and help support a small software company, in
this case, Opera. Sounds like double standards to me.
Matthew Gardiner
--
I am the blue screen of death
Nobody can hear your screams
----
I am the resident BOFH if you don't like it
go rm -rf /home/luser yourself
"Bob Hauck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Sun, 27 May 2001 02:34:57 +0100, drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > What adverts? My version doesn't have any adverts? Is that just the
> > linux version?
>
> The free version has ads in the upper-right corner of the toolbar.
> They go away if you pay $39 to register it. The Linux and Windows
> versions behave the same in this respect.
>
> Upgrades are free, so if you registered a previous version and upgrade,
> it will still be registered and you won't see the ads.
>
> --
> -| Bob Hauck
> -| To Whom You Are Speaking
> -| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: "Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Tribes 2 For Linux is finally here!
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 15:40:31 +1200
http://www.maximumlinux.org/article.php?story=20010526181945453
A review carried out by Maximum Linux
http://slashdot.org/articles/01/05/27/0647233.shtml
Slashdot'er's replys to the review.
-
Who said there aren't any decent games for Linux?
Matthew Gardiner
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I am the blue screen of death
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I am the resident BOFH if you don't like it
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From: "Paul Dossett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Opera
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 03:59:18 GMT
"flatfish+++" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Sun, 27 May 2001 12:59:23 GMT, "Paul Dossett"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> >Ah, yes, all the flaws, none of the frills. Makes sense to me.
>
> Not really, just none of the Active-x and Java scripting stuff.
> It's rare that I find a page that won't load with IE 5.0 in that
> configuration.
Ah, understood. I thought you meant you'd disabled images and flash
animations, and all that jazz.
> Compare that to Opera which always seems to be missing some plug-in or
> another, and that is with the full version.
True, although Opera on the Mac seems far faster than IE, and it's just a
tech preview. I must admit I haven't played much with Opera on Windows,
although several folk in the office swear by it. I should probably switch
to it, because our work is done via html scripts and it sucks when IE
crashes and takes out W98 with it when there's a customer on the phone.. ;)
> Compare to Konquerer which seems to have lot's of troubles with pages.
Haven't tried it.
> Compare to Netscape which under Linux is awful and under Windows is so
> bloated that the entire machine grinds to a halt just loading the
> beast :)
Yep, nasty stuff. Mozilla 0.9 was better, but I haven't tried it much - the
large Fisher-Price icons irritated me.
--
ppp
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From: "Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!
Date: 27 May 2001 23:07:06 -0500
"Chad Everett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Tue, 22 May 2001 14:09:25 -0400, JS \\ PL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >I have to say, Linux Mandrake 8 was looking real damn good. Support for
all
> >my hardware (for once) easy set-up, even seting up networking and
connection
> >sharing was painless. Good newsreader - Knode, pretty stable OS. I even
> >liked the fact that it stayed connected to the Internet when switching
users
> >(unlike Win2K) I was actually contemplating using it much more often and
> >only using Windows for apps I need to use that aren't available on Linux.
> >But....
> >Well after half a day checking out the new XP OS, I have to say IT KICKS
> >MANDRAKE ASS!!
> >
>
> Can I setup Windows XP at home so that I can log into it via ssh and have
> a server running that acts as a proxy web browser, allowing me to
> browse the web from my machine at work over an encrypted channel and
> bypassing the filters on my company's firewall? And do all this with
> out-of-the-box free software?
SSH? No. There isn't a built in SSH server so the answer is no. There are
SSH servers available though and some are free so... a half no/half yes
answer.
>
> Can I use Windows XP to redirect it's output over an encrypted network
> port so that I can run applications on my home machine from my machine
> at work, complete with GUI features? And do all this with out-of-the-box
> free software?
Sure, free terminal services now included with XP home/pro versions too.
>
> Can I use Windows XP as a NAT server and firewall and allow the machines
> on my LAN to all share a single internet connection? And do all this with
> out-of-the-box free software?
Yes.
>
> Can I use Windows XP as a software development platform with the software
> that it comes with, without the need to purchase additional software for
> lots of money?
Yes.
>
> I can do all this and more with linux, for free.
but why? it's gross...
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From: "Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!
Date: 27 May 2001 23:11:03 -0500
"Michael Marion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Chad Myers wrote:
>
> > Nope, but you can download SSH. Not many people use it for this, so
> > Linux can be the king of the not-so-used features, I guess.
>
> not-so-used?!? SSH is used by huge numbers of people everyday!
because they don't use/have terminal services or RPC
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From: "green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 14:17:34 +1000
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said green in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sun, 27 May 2001 12:24:33 +1000;
> >> >It's a bad seed.But it manages to dial out, and stay reliably
connected.
> >>
> >> It doesn't matter what causes it to ring; it is still a bug.
> >
> >My computer crashed the other day (black out.) must be a bug.
> >
> >telecom in Australia used to fit anti tingle modules to phones to stop
them
> >making I ding (bell type) when some one else used a phone on a different
> >line
> >due to cross over effects.
> >
> >Which means it may or may not be his computers problem.
>
> Sounds like the modem manufacturers should have found out about these
> 'anti-tingle modules'. Definitely a hardware problem, wouldn't you
> agree?
yes, most likly
but never rule out a higher power. ;)
but I though digital line solved most of the broblems with tingle's (really
just small spikes)
>
> --
> T. Max Devlin
> *** The best way to convince another is
> to state your case moderately and
> accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: Teri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A Newbie Linux User Asks:
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 23:44:08 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
GAIM (http://gaim.sourceforge.net) is a good AOL instant messanger client
for Linux, you can use netscape/mozilla/konquerer for web browsing, and you
can access AOL mail at www.aol.com.
>From the above, you can get all of AOL's uses (except an internet
connection) from within Linux. If you are connected to the internet by
something besides AOL (DSL, cabel modem, etc.) then you should be all set.
-teri
On Friday 25 May 2001 07:50 am WJP wrote:
> Does anyone know if there is Linux-based
> software which can be used to provide interface with AOL's software?
> Does Netscape for Linux have the AOL Instant Message capability?
>
> You may be wondering why I asked these questions in a Linux advocacy
> news group. The reason is thusly: I agree that most Linux
> distributions provide numerous applications in their "bundles", however,
> unless there are program capabilities included to cover situations such
> as described above, the requirement for Windows installs will continue -
> regardless of what a person, such as myself, would prefer to install. In
> other words: I cannot "safely" tell my wife that she can no longer talk
> on-line with her sister just because I want to be "Windows free".
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From: "Mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop.
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 12:22:17 +0800
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Said Chad Myers in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Wed, 23 May 2001 13:48:10
>>"Craig Kelley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
[...]
>>Who uses wget besides a bunch of Unix geeks (less than one percent of
>>one percent I'm sure).
Who knows wget exists, besides a bunch of UNIX geeks? Why do you seem to
think that the fact a program isn't popular means it's not useful? Here's
a newsflash - nobody used Windows 95 until Microsoft spent millions of
dollars telling them to (not to mention making sure any of their customers
who wished to stay with 3.x were _forced_ to upgrade. I love how they
"take care" of their lusers)
--
Mike.
Remove "-spam" to mail me.
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From: "Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Date: 27 May 2001 23:26:03 -0500
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Most commonly used desktop OS in General Motors is the Unix family.
Completely untrue.
I used to work at GM and Aaron is full of it... Windows desktops are
everywhere. W2K is being rolled out in some areas NT4 workstations are
everywhere. Excepting the CAD guys, it's Windows everywhere... I've seen it
with my own eyes unlike Aaron the weekend warrior wanna be.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: INTEL"S ITANIUM DUE OUT TUES !!!!!
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 04:26:42 GMT
On Mon, 28 May 2001 15:11:18 +1200, Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Let me see, I can either choose AIX-5L, HP-UX, Solaris, Linux 2.4 or Windows 64bit,
>which is unproven. Most people know which one's
>I will consider in a large Itanium server roll out. A clue for the clueless, it
>ain't Windows.
>
>Just because SUN and IBM don't advertise on the end luser magazines like .net or
>PCWorld, doesn't mean they no product's. I guess
>your ignorance is due to too much exposure around Windows.
>
MS will have to go out of their way to make a 100gips processor run like a dog.
Give them time. They will.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.mandrake,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.windows.x.kde,tw.bbs.comp.linux
Subject: Re: Back up in Linux
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 01:00:05 -0400
Johan Kullstam wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Investigator wrote:
> > >
> > > The short answer is "yes".
> > >
> > > More detail is needed, however, to explain the process.
> > >
> > > Importantly, you do *not* want to back up any draconian system (like Linux)
> > > while it is active with a full-bore "tar czf /dev/whatever/BACKUP.tgz /*"
> >
> > This is true of ALL operating systems, including losedos.
>
> perhaps not MS-DOS. but then you could honestly argue that it is not
> fully an operating system.
I wrote a REAL OS in only 4 weeks..by myself, no less!
>
> --
> J o h a n K u l l s t a m
> [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Don't Fear the Penguin!
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.mandrake,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.windows.x.kde,tw.bbs.comp.linux
Subject: Re: Back up in Linux
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 01:02:46 -0400
Les Mikesell wrote:
>
> "Johan Kullstam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > > Jerry Wong wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I used to backup the windows by Ghost software. In linux, can the
> command "tar"
> > > > be used like Ghost. I means to backup the whole Linux system by tar it
> and
> > > > restore it when necessary. I have windows98 and two Linux system in my
> PC
> > > > (Red Hat 7.0 and Mandrake 8.0), so I can tar one of them when running
> the other.
> > > >
> > > > Is it possible? Please give me some advice.
> > >
> > > tar is okay for groups of files, but NOT good for the entire system.
> > >
> > > learn to use dump, and/or BRU or Arkeia.
> >
> > dump is not a sufficient solution either. linus had a few comments
> > about this on linux-kernel about a month ago. it seems that the only
> > way to get a clean snapshot of the disk partition is to unmount it
> > first and then save. this is especially true of the journalling
> > filesystems.
>
> Tar is actually better than dump at dealing with an active filesystem
> but neither will handle the case where multiple files must be saved
> as a snapshot of a consistent state. What we need is kernel support
> to freeze the 'real' filesystem while letting the system continue to work
> with changes staying in the buffers or paging out to swap if necessary - and
> of course, a way for the backup utility to read the frozen copy.
Everything I've seen always says to get a PERFECT level 0, go to
single user mode (init S) and remount the root filesystem read-only.
>
> Les Mikesell
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The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
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H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
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F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
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...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
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