Linux-Advocacy Digest #849, Volume #31 Tue, 30 Jan 01 16:13:06 EST
Contents:
Bill knows what's best for you ("Trebor")
Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy! (.)
Re: Whistler predictions... ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Whistler predictions... ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Whistler predictions... ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: So much for Linux being more Difficult than Windows ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Whistler predictions... ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: And after all that, it worked! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Linux Myths -- What I'd call Part II is here! ("tony roth")
Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Linux Myths -- What I'd call Part II is here! (Craig Kelley)
Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Sound a networks (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Sound a networks (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Sound a networks (Pete Goodwin)
Re: THOLEN IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT (Pete Goodwin)
Re: THOLEN IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT (Pete Goodwin)
Re: A salutary lesson about open source (Steve Mading)
Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy!
Re: XFS 1.0 is getting close! (Eric Sandeen)
Re: A salutary lesson about open source (Steve Mading)
Re: Linux 2.4 Major Advance (Steve Mading)
Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy! ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy! ("Edward Rosten")
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From: "Trebor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
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Subject: Bill knows what's best for you
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:10:48 GMT
I'm so glad Bill is there for me .. he knows what is best for me. Obviously,
I don't, nor do any third party software engineers.
Case in point:
Install the Windows Media Player version 7.00.00.1958 update on Windows 2000
and, when the install is finished, your machine will be rebooted by the
installer program .. WITHOUT giving you an option to reboot now or reboot
later. Isn't that wonderful? I love that Microsoft has decided that they are
going to reboot my computer on their own terms, freeing me out of the
decision process altogether. And I trust them so much, it makes me know
they're doing what's best for me. Talk about progress!! Yeah! Gone are the
days of having to scratch my head trying to decide whether to reboot now or
reboot later!! Now I can trust Bill to know when is the best time to reboot
my computer, and when exactly I have 2.5 minutes to sit in front of my
screen watching the MS logo, listening to the MS sound.
I'm also thankful that W2K - at least, according to MS marketing info - has
new enhanced installation features that reduce the need to reboot a computer
after installing software. It is so nice to see that the WMP 'engineers'
teamed up with the W2K 'engineers' to integrate all the latest MS has to
offer in their latest OS and media application ;-)
-bb
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy!
Date: 30 Jan 2001 19:30:39 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On 28 Jan 2001 23:18:27 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) wrote:
>>Hmm. Lets compare that with the number of processes running under W2K, thats
>>WITH a copy of unreal tournament running, internet explorer and all my happy,
>>useless toolbar button thingies:
> I prefer to compare the number of processes running while playing
> Diablo II
What the hell are you talking about?
> Ooopps looks like Linux is out of the picture.
You are a moron.
=====.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler predictions...
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 21:12:30 +0200
"Christopher L. Estep" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:M7ud6.53248$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> The ONLY operating systems that are relatively easy to configure, support
my
> hardware either out of the box, or via easily-obtainable drivers, are from
a
> single company based in Redmond, Washington.
Macs?
To be fair, I've to say that I'm not an unbais judge, I've been working with
computers for a long time, and a lot of the stuff that annoys other users I
just don't even notice. I've heard arguement for windows being easier than
Linux to use (on installation, I put RH install (debian is certainly
harder, especailly if you go to dselect) as easy as NT), and I agree. I've
heard that windows is more easy to use than Macs, I'm not sure that I can
judge at the matter, but I don't think that you can say that Windows is the
"ONLY" such OS.
OTOH, plug in a USB device to a Mac, the computer will freeze, nothing will
respond for a short while, while the computer configure the new device.
First time it happened, I thought the computer was stuck. Plug a USB device
into a Win machine, assuming it can handle USB, and it will let pop up a
message saying it is detecting new hardware, and you should wait. On 2K &
up, I can keep on working while it's doing this.\
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler predictions...
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 21:13:49 +0200
"Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Are *YOU* denying that the full install price of NT wasn't $189 at
> CompUSA and the full install price of W2k isn't $350 at CompUSA????
>
> Is this what your saying?
Yes.
What was the price when NT4 was released?
Of *course* its price will go down now, there is a *new* version of NT.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler predictions...
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 21:19:53 +0200
"Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> How do you *PIRATE* Linux?
How can I get SuSE 7.0 for free?
*Not* the evaluation version, the full one.
Can I download it from the net?
If I buy it, is there some restrictions on how many systems I can put it?
What if I buy it, and put an ISO on the web, is this legal?
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: So much for Linux being more Difficult than Windows
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 21:33:10 +0200
"Christopher L. Estep" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:Qgvd6.53303$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "kiwiunixman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Windows 2000 is no better, can't even install a browser without the need
> to
> > reboot.
> >
> > kiwiunixman
>
> Which browser? If you are referring to IE 5.5 SP 1, you have a point;
> however, this updates several critical DLL files used by both the OS and
UI.
> It is more akin to a kernel and X upgrade in Linux, which usually requires
a
> reboot (if not two).
It's interesting, AFAIK, IE simply *can't* replace critical DLLs, it says so
spesifcally on MS's page, this is because 2K's SFP.
This is why IE5.5 for 2K is so small (around 6 MB on my mahcine).
According to MS, the only things that can replace critical files are either
SP or hotfixes.
I'm not sure if IE SP5.5 can replace those files.
And I know that while IE 5.5 update (before they added the SP to the
upgrade) also required a reboot.
Any more information about it?
> Installing Netscape (any version) or Opera (or even Neoplanet) does not.
True.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler predictions...
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 21:41:16 +0200
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > And I can ask my user base, when is the last time
> > they saw Oracle fail. The answer would be never.
>
> Same here....I've NEVER heard of Oracle crashing on either UNIX
> or a mainframe.
To qoute your style:
He was talking about Oracle clients, MORON.
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: And after all that, it worked!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:59:23 +0000
Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> Probably the jam_ethernet
>
>
> script
>
> #!/bin/ksh
> #
> # Denial of Service attack on myself
> #
> while 1 do
> ping `hostname`
> done
>
>
> which you wrote and then executed as
>
> # nice -20 ./jam_ethernet &
Fascinating.
> Note to Pete: if you don't spend all of your time SABOTAGING your
> own equipment, it will work just fine.
Note to AK: if Linux Mandrake didn't have any BUGS it would work just fine.
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 20:01:45 +0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >Hubs are bog standard devices. They work fine. You're
> >simply full of shit.
>
> Sure they are.
>
> It's the devices that don't work under Linsux <snicker>
No, actually on Windows it turns it on, on Linux it turns it off. Go
figure. That's Linux for you. Let's all do the (funky) wrong thing!
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: "tony roth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Myths -- What I'd call Part II is here!
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:51:07 -0800
Charlie off topic question have you ever installed a w2k workstation or
server?
"Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <954mbu$88j$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Adam Warner wrote:
> >Charlie,
> >
> ><snip>
> >> An appology. Somebody should kick your f---ing ass.
> ><snip>
> >
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 20:04:35 +0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Every piece of software has bugs, of course. But in your honest
> opinion, is your Linux system more stable than the Windows you have
> used? My answer would be that vs Windows 95/98/Me, Linux wins hands
> down: they all carry the dead body of MS-DOS on their backs. Vs NT, the
> contest is perhaps closer, though I don't have enough experience to
> give an honest judgement.
Sounds like my assessment - with one caveat - there's more useful software
around for Windows.
> While I've experimented with the various 'desktops', I've now settled
> on the excellent fvwm, which has yet to fail me. Previously, I
> occasionally had GUI crashes. But in every case I was able to kill
> either the misbehaving program (with a so-called 'surgical strike' from
> another console), or, once only, kill the X server with <Ctrl-Alt-
> Backspace>. NEVER has the kernel crashed on me, and I've been using it
> for a year.
Every time I've had X hang on me, that's it, I usually get stuck. I could
try a telnet server, only last time I looked it refused to install.
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux Myths -- What I'd call Part II is here!
Date: 30 Jan 2001 13:02:40 -0700
Mike Martinet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Your ideas concerning the X-box are intriguing. This leads me to
> wonder... what happens when/if MS gets *really* desperate? Given the
> ample evidence of their arrogance (Ballmer's public, virulent fits of
> rage) and immaturity (Gate's whining petulance in his 1998 deposition),
> could they attempt to do serious damage to the industry itself if things
> get really tough for them? Sort of a "It's my ball and I'm taking it
> home" mentality?
>
> Stay tuned.
>
> No matter how people (in this ng and others) hammer away at MS vs Linux,
> you can't escape two fundamental truths:
>
> 1 - Both OS's do roughly the same thing
>
> 2 - One of them costs a shitload of money
>
> You can't compete with free. Netscape found that out. I can't wait to
> see what MS will do about Linux.
Simple. Windows *will* be free or it will die. Sooner or later this
*will* happen. It may take 5, 25 or 50 years but it will come to
pass.
The same can be said of Office and any other piece of software that
can be called a 'commodity'. Anyone who disagrees with this, or who
thinks that Microsoft doesn't know this is deluding themselves. The
X-Box can give them an easy way to bow out of the OS war that they are
waging against the windmills in their collective heads.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 20:10:40 +0000
Salvador Peralta wrote:
> Word processing: AbiWord Word Pad - edge, AbiWord
I wouldn't rate AbiWord too highly.
> Browser: Konqueror IE - edge IE
I wouldn't rate Konqueror too highly either.
> News: knode Outlook - edge knode
KNode I like. Outlook Express is OK. I used XNews on Windows.
> Text editor: Advanced text Editor NotePad - edge ATE
ATE doesn't seem to let you set fonts. The basic editor does. Notepad has a
64k limit on Windows 9x but no limit on NT/2000
> Binary editor: Binary editor none
True, but then I don't do much binary editing on either platform.
Actually there used to be DEBUG on MSDOS which could some crude editing.
Never tried it though.
> terminal: rxvt dosterm - edge rxvt
Windows don't need no terminal nor no CLI.
> editor: gimp MS Paint - edge Gimp
I don't rate GIMP to highly - I prefer Paint Shop Pro.
> ftp: gftp none
Windows has ftp.
> html/xml ed: quanta, bluefish none
Windows has notepad 8).
> net games: freeciv none
Windows Millenium has Hearts and few others...
But then I tend to run Unreal Tournament complete with 3D sound on Windows
(there's no 3D sound on Linux yet).
> general games: KDE, Gnome, et al ms games - edge linux
Games in general are more plentiful on the Windows platform than Linux.
> IRC: kirc none
Don't really use IRC. Tend to use Comic Chat, far more entertaining than
IRC.
> I could care less which of those applications are in or out of beta. With
> no commercial pressures forcing those products to market prematurely,
> their
> beta period is better than most commercial releases. The question is, do
> they work and are they generally bugfree. And the answer is yes.
You think AbiWord is good?
> > > "Linux is simply a fad that has been generated by the media
> > > and is destined to fall by the wayside in time."
> >
> > Maybe...
>
> Kind of a prick for snipping the fact that the quote was pulled from
> microsoft.com, aren't you?
No, just thought it was kinda apt.
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 20:11:56 +0000
Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> Star Office is FREELY DOWNLOADABLE FROM SUN, you MORON.
He was talking about out of the box, o buffoon.
> It's also included in SuSE, and several other distributions.
We were talking about Linux Mandrake, o incredibly stupid one.
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 20:12:54 +0000
sfcybear wrote:
> Never have that problem. What are you doing wrong?
> Facts are facts, linux is more stable than windows software, PERIOD. NO,
> absolutly NO documented reports say otherwise.
And what printed reports are there to say Linux is 100% stable? Has such a
study been done, I wonder?
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sound a networks
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 20:14:25 +0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Apples and oranges, there is enough difference to make one work and
> the other not work.
Seems to be the nature on Linux Mandrake distribution, I guess.
> Try the same experiment under Mandrake 7.2 like Pete and I did and see
> what happens.
Why what happened with yours?
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sound a networks
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 20:16:41 +0000
J Sloan wrote:
> Actually Linux is a kernel - the distros add utilities to
> "detect" things - in my system it's called kudzu.
Picky, picky.
Yes, Kudzu is running on my system. However, for reasons that are not at
all clear, it did not pickup on my new network card. I had to configure it
by hand.
Windows, of course, sees the card and asks for the driver. Whilst it may
not have it as part of its installation disk, at least it noticed it was
there.
So long as Linux can miss hardware, Windows will always have edge as far as
I can tell.
> In that case mandrake is less like Red Hat than I thought.
Or it's probably a bug.
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sound a networks
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 20:17:14 +0000
Tom Wilson wrote:
> I use the exact same card and yes, it is supported and works quite
> well...Surprising when you consider how cheap the things are.
Did it detect it?
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: THOLEN IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 20:18:25 +0000
J Sloan wrote:
> That's a matter of opinion -
>
> Your postings make me wince, Aaron's postings don't.
You mean you actually LIKE his enormous SIG?
You like his one line of post with 200 lines of repeat?
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: THOLEN IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 20:19:09 +0000
Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> What I write is funny.
> What you write is not.
>
> Hope that helps.
No, not really. What you write is generally awful and unfunny.
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: A salutary lesson about open source
Date: 30 Jan 2001 20:19:15 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: "Steve Mading" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
: news:94sevm$i7m$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
:> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:>
:> : So you would deny that Dell obtains a significant, if not
:> : majority of their revenue from the web? (If you would,
:> : you'd be wrong).
:>
:> You weren't talking about just Dell. You were talking about
:> the entire Fortune 500. Dell is not a typical representative
:> of the Fortine 500. You are so fscking dishonest.
: Ah, so now everything has to fit into your narrow view of
: what is "representative"?
: You said it wasn't, I showed you were wrong,
When? I remember no such post, especially seeing as how
I just brought this point up now (That Dell is not
representative of the rest of the fortune 500).
: now you change
: the goal lines again.
: Would you consider Merril Lynch, Fidelity, Hewlett-Packard,
: Compaq, MCI, Morgan Stanely Dean Witter, Motorola, Intel,
: Ingram Micro, Time Warner, and Microsoft representative?
Sure, and none of them share with Dell the feature that they
obtain a majority of their sales from the web. This is
highly relevant here.
: Those are all companies from the Top 100 of the Fortune
: 500 list. These are all companies who have huge stakes
: in the web. They also have revenues over $19million.
: There are many more which I didn't mention.
: So, just admit you're wrong and let's move on.
I'll admit I'm wrong when I am, and no sooner.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy!
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 20:27:29 -0000
On 30 Jan 2001 19:30:39 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> On 28 Jan 2001 23:18:27 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) wrote:
>
>
>>>Hmm. Lets compare that with the number of processes running under W2K, thats
>>>WITH a copy of unreal tournament running, internet explorer and all my happy,
>>>useless toolbar button thingies:
>
>> I prefer to compare the number of processes running while playing
>> Diablo II
>
>What the hell are you talking about?
I particular commercial game, rather than the ~ 20 currently
available or the 20 known to be in active development.
>
>> Ooopps looks like Linux is out of the picture.
>
>You are a moron.
I wouldn't be surprised if he's only familiar enough
with Diablo II to use it as a FUD club. It may even
run under Wine (Diablo and Starcraft do).
--
>
> ...then there's that NSA version of Linux...
This would explain the Mars polar lander problem.
Kyle Jacobs, COLA
|||
/ | \
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From: Eric Sandeen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: XFS 1.0 is getting close!
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:28:40 -0600
Adam Warner wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> The XFS 0.9 Pre-Release is now available for the 2.4 kernel:
> http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs/index.html
If you want to really give XFS a workout, try the installer we've
released along w/ the filesystem.
It's a modified version of the Red Hat 7.0 system installer which will
let you install & run your whole system on XFS.
ISO image at ftp://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs/download/PreRelease-0.9/iso/
You'll need the original RH 7.0 discs along with it.
The installer still has a few bugs (we prefer to spend our time
improving the filesystem, not the installer...) but in general it works
quite well, and it can make you a shiny new Linux box running completely
on XFS.
-Eric Sandeen
SGI, Inc.
XFS for Linux
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: A salutary lesson about open source
Date: 30 Jan 2001 20:20:35 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: "Steve Mading" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
: news:94sf1j$i7m$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
:> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:>
:> : "The Ghost In The Machine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
: message
:> :>
:> :> Personally, I think VBScript would be incredibly easy to use and
:> :> learn for projects of, oh, say, about 5 lines or less.
:> :> But it gets weird quickly, IMO. :-) For example: how does one
:> :> declare a class with public, protected, and private data
:> :> members, inheriting from another class? Java and C++ can
:> :> handle this without difficulty; I think Perl 5 can, too.
:>
:> : VBScript is... well, a scripting language.
:>
:> So is Perl, and *it* can do it.
: Ok, so? I never said it didn't. Perl is great, don't get me wrong.
Your post seemed to imply that being a scripting language was an
excuse for not being able to do it.
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 Major Advance
Date: 30 Jan 2001 20:26:26 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: "Steve Mading" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
: news:94sejg$i7m$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
:> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:>
:> : "J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
: news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
:> :> Chad Myers wrote:
:> :>
:> :> > P.S.- sponsoring an independant benchmark does not necessarily
:> :> > taint the findings.
:> :>
:> :> Hint: "sponsored" and "independent" clash.
:>
:> : Then you have no idea how the scientific world works. All studies
:> : are sponsored by someone, but it doesn't affect the outcome of
:> : the study.
:>
:> : Just more Penguinista fud.
:>
:> What a load of bull - most studies are sponsored, yes, but not
:> necessarily by one of the parties being judged in the study.
:> A study sponsored by a third party can be impartial, but a study
:> sponsored by one of the parties being judged by the study cannot.
: I'm not saying that influce CAN'T happen, I'm saying that there
: are trusted scientific sources which can provide unbiased,
: uninfluenced results in a study. NTSL, Gartner, and others.
: Mindcraft was also one of these (they've done many studies),
: until the Penguinistas unjustly destroyed their reputation.
: Just shows you how insecure Penguinistas are. If something
: shows the obvious flaws in their OS, then suddenly the show-er
: is the devil and must be purged.
: Why can't you guys take constructive criticism and recognize
: the glaring weaknesses in your OS, fix them, move on and
: become better people?
Ad Hominem fallacy: the above rant has nothing to do whatsoever
with the point I brought up - that the Mindcraft study was funded
*BY* one of the parties it was judging, and thus it does you no
good to defend it by saying, "But all other studies are funded by
others too." You have to show that they were all funded BY THE
PARTY BEING JUDGED by the study, or the comparasin doesn't mean
diddly.
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy!
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 20:39:08 +0000
In article <9570pf$jd1$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Andres Soolo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Edward Rosten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> games: vi none ...
> I've seen Life for vi :-)
Really ?
Cool!
-Ed
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Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy!
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 20:41:40 +0000
>> terminal: rxvt dosterm - edge rxvt
>
> Windows don't need no terminal nor no CLI.
Aparently you disagree with MS here. Otherwise there would be no telnet
server, no kill.exe, no runas...
One thing Windows needs is a good CLI. Fortunately Cygwin addresses this.
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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