Linux-Advocacy Digest #863, Volume #31 Wed, 31 Jan 01 05:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: I am preparing to teach a Linux class and I am soliciting advice
Will future employment agreements prohibit open source development? ("Flacco")
Re: Wow, an actual survey (Linux dissatisfactions and wish-lists)
Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: XFS 1.0 is getting close! ("Adam Warner")
Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Sound a networks (Pete Goodwin)
Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?) ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?) ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Whistler predictions... ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy!
Re: Whistler predictions...
Re: Aspects of open-source that MS will co-opt: Predictions? ("Adam Warner")
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Ian Davey)
Re: KULKIS IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT ("Edward Rosten")
Re: THOLEN IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Sound a networks ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Security: Linux v. MS ("Adam Warner")
Re: KULKIS IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Global Configuration tool (WAS: Re: linux does NOT suck (oh yes it does) )
("Ayende Rahien")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help,linux.redhat
Subject: Re: I am preparing to teach a Linux class and I am soliciting advice
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 08:25:14 -0000
On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 07:58:17 +0000, Adie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 00:52:17 -0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] () wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 00:30:09 +0000, Adie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>On Thu, 25 Jan 2001 19:47:11 -0000, "Joanna Jakus-Pol" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>wrote:
>>[deletia]
>>>>>both
>>>>> KDE and Gnome, and also netcfg....
>>>>>
>>>>> Show them that they can use other Office products instead of MS Office,
>>>>> Show them Star Office, Abi-word (suite), K-Office etc
>>>>
>>>>and the last :
>>>>
>>>>TELL THEM THEY CAN COMPILE THE KERNEL!!!
>>>>tell them how and that it is important and about main options
>>>
>>>Where can read about this in plain language?
>>
>> You really can't get much more plain than "do X and then
>> click the checkboxes". All you really have to do is to
>> be able to follow simple instructions.
>
>And where can I find these "do X and then click the checkboxes" ?
Obscure places like files named README.
--
The term "popular" is MEANINGLESS in consumer computing. DOS3
was more "popular" than contemporary Macintoshes despite the
likelihood that someone like you would pay the extra money to
not have to deal with DOS3.
Network effects are everything in computing.
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From: "Flacco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Will future employment agreements prohibit open source development?
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 02:16:51 -0500
Continuing in a series of doomsday posts :-)
Given the almost undeniable threat that open source poses to entrenched
software providers, do you think the commercial market may try to dry up the
open source talent pool by prohibiting employees from participating in it?
Surely the case could be made that open source is a competitor in a given
corp's market.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Wow, an actual survey (Linux dissatisfactions and wish-lists)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 08:32:52 -0000
On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 01:54:35 -0500, Flacco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>Awhile back I posted a message asking if any marketing research had been
>done on potential Linux users. I came across this in an Eazel
>presentation - I thought it might be of interest to others:
Considering that it's Eazel's business model to try and
extract payment for solving these problems, it's rather
a conflict of interest for them to comment on such things
It's kind of like Microsoft and Mindcraft. Alternately,
it's like Xig commenting on Xfree or Corel hyping the
user hostility inherent in other distros.
[deletia]
Things like automatic hardware installation and 'one click'
software installs are already being addressed by other
Linux distributors or commercial developers.
--
The LGPL does infact tend to be used instead of the GPL in instances
where merely reusing a component, while not actually altering that
component, would be unecessarily burdensome to people seeking to
build their own works.
This dramatically alters the nature and usefulness of Free Software
in practice, contrary to the 'all viral all the time' fantasy the
anti-GPL cabal here would prefer one to believe.
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy!
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 08:41:27 GMT
In article <957alt$95h$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> It's formatting method is better than MS Word. The icons are obvious,
> powerful, and well-placed. It saves in open formats. Sit is small,
light,
> efficient. IMO, it's actually one of the better word processers I have
> used.
I'm trying to remember which of KWord and AbiWord was the one that
either had redraw problems or crashed a lot.
> > I wouldn't rate Konqueror too highly either.
>
> Konqueror rocks for as young an application as it is. Way ahead of where
> IE or Netscape were at similar phazes of development.
And about 50% of the pages I visit don't work too well with it.
> No limit? Not true. Both notepad and wordpad fall over and die well
> before you get to 100 megs. This is a problem when you want to look at
> logs. vi has no such limit AFAIK.
Neither Notepad nor Wordpad use a virtual buffer like Programmers File
Editor does.
> > > terminal: rxvt dosterm - edge rxvt
> >
> > Windows don't need no terminal nor no CLI.
>
> bullshit. Try manipulating large logfiles or using a scripting language,
> or even use the jdk without a shell.
I'd use PFE for a large file.
JDK insists on outputting stuff to the console - that's about the only
reason why it needs a console. Otherwise the CLI can be ignored.
> Paint Shop pro comes with windows? Does paint shop pro come with an api
> that you can integrate into scripts to generate images on the fly? Does
> PhotShop? The gimp is a programmer's image editor. It is one of the
best
> image editors ever made for that reason. Combine it with imageMagick and
> its PerlMagick extensions and you have functionality that simply is not
> matched on Windows.
I found PSP had more features than GIMP. As for scripts, you place too
much emphasis on their importance.
> > You think AbiWord is good?
>
> No, I think AbiWord is excellent. I prefer it to word and
wordperfect. I
> do not like applications that try and guess ( badly ) as to what I am
> doing. I spent 5 minutes today trying to keep word from screwing up
> Autoformatting list elements in a document that I was working on. i have
> no such problems with AbiWord.
I see, you like your applications to have redraw problems or crash do you?
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy!
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 08:44:29 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Star Office is FREELY DOWNLOADABLE FROM SUN, you MORON.
> >
> > He was talking about out of the box, o buffoon.
>
> And your point is?
Obviously lost on you.
What does "out of the box" mean, I wonder?
In any case, freely downloadable from Sun is a bit moot if all you've
got is a 56k modem and a phone line that charges for every minute you're
attached. Hint: there are no free calls in the UK.
> SO WHAT? Star Office is Freely Downloadable, no matter what distro you
buy.
>
> You can even get it for LoseDOS.
See above, o unimaginably stupid one.
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From: "Adam Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: XFS 1.0 is getting close!
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 21:51:25 +1200
Hi all,
> No, the xfs beta is not meant for non-technical end users
> such as flatfish - it was meant for techies, not whiners.
>
> We'll let you know when it's included in a shrink wrapped
> distribution.
I'm having problems with the post-install (can't boot the OS and the boot
disk doesn't help). I'm joining the XFS mailing list and I'll be relaying
the issues to Erik and all.
SGI's new installer is rather nice. It's obvious that a lot of work has
already been put into the installer. At this stage you have to swap CDs
between the Redhat CD and the SGI CD quite a few times as the installer
selects the appropriate RPMs.
Regards,
Adam
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy!
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 08:47:14 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I went looking for support in Linux for USB Hubs. Nada. Zip.
>
> Hubs are OS-independant, you retard.
Ah yes. That explains it.
When Windows boots, the lights come on the hub box.
When Linux boots, the lights go out on the hub box.
Hence, I can't see half my USB devices.
Linux is the retarded one, o fool.
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy!
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 08:47:59 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> C'mon Pete, find some starving student, buy him a beer
> to have him set it up for you - He'll have it up in 20 minutes.
>
> Or look up the local LUG...
20 minutes is a bit optimistic.
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sound a networks
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 08:52:10 GMT
In article <SBLd6.1533$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Did it detect it?
>
> Remarkably enough, yes.
> Getting 100MBits out of it with no problem, too.
>
> Hardware detection isn't Mandrake's problem...
> The crippled install and incomplete set of packages included with the
> "Complete (sic)" version is the main problem.
I've always gone for custom - but I never seem to get the same results
twice.
In "Server saga", I tried three times to install on my old machine with
three different results. At work, it went just fine.
Is there a distribution that installs things correctly without too much
hassle? Or should I go back to Slackware 8)?
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 10:59:27 +0200
"Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> > "Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Chad Myers wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Chris proposed this "hack" for NT/2K as though NT/2K was the only
> > > > OSen vulnerable to this type of attack.
> > > >
> > > > Must I repeat the entire thread, or does your newsreader not thread?
> > >
> > > Never ass|u|me! Merely pointing out the NTFS is very vulnerable.
> > > Chad's the one that made the inductive leap.
> >
> > Why do you think that NTFS is very vulnerable?
>
> Have you purchased "Hacking Exposed" 2nd edition yet?
No, I don't intend to, it's just academic curiousity, can you give a short
summery of the reasons why you think NTFS is very vulnerable?
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 11:00:40 +0200
"Johan Kullstam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > "J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Curtis wrote:
> > >
> > > > >J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted:
> > > >
> > > > > | Penguinistas have a clearer idea than most about OSes.
> > > >
> > > > No. They seem to have a clear idea only of their favoured OS which
> > > > they really USE and not simply SEE running around the office or give
> > > > the light of day only when they need to read file format not
supported
> > > > by their favoured OS. This is perfectly reasonable.
> > >
> > > Actually, most Linux users are more technical than
> > > the average windows user, and furthermore, most
> > > Linux users were windows users at one time. So the
> > > idea that a Linux user can't tell the difference between
> > > 95 and nt is just plain silly.
> >
> > You'd be surprised. Many of your ilk post to this newsgroup and begin
> > bashing WinNT and 2K for faults of 9x. We have to continually explain
> > to them that, yes, NT/2K do have a fully 32-bit pre-emptive multitasking
> > kernel and yes, they do have a fully virtualized memory space, and yes,
> > they do have a full security implementation including process isolation,
> > required user-logon and pervasive security checking at all levels just
> > like in Unix, only better.
>
> except that they are more awkward. that is why so many run NT as
> "administrator". NT doesn't have the equivalent of unix' su. i
> understand w2k has fixed this.
Well, NT has a TS, which is like opening another X session on your computer,
I find that it's sometimes more convient just to use TS & log in as Admin
than use Runas.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Whistler predictions...
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 11:01:59 +0200
"Salvador Peralta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:957ho5$cs9$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Nik Simpson quoth:
>
> > Yeah, but who is going to set it all for her? Her PC came with Windows &
> > Office installed on it and I was able to get everything else she needed
> > for Internet access setup and running in 10 minutes while I was home one
> > weekend,
>
> It would take the same person the same 10 minutes to do the exact same
> thing on a pre-installed linux system.
>
> > I couldn't do the same for LINUX and that is true for many people
> > whether you want to deal with it or not.
>
> FUD. You can get Mandrake, install all the packages that you want, many
> more, in fact than you can install on Windows, and be up and running in
> less than an hour if you handle the installation yourself. As the
> installer finds the hardware for you little or not configuration is
> necessary.
>
> If you buy a pre-packaged system, it would take about 10 minutes to get
> connected and you wouldn't have to worry about Mom getting virii from
email
> attachments.
Correct, in Linux, you don't even need the email attachments to get virii,
they travel on their own.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy!
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 09:11:41 -0000
On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 08:47:14 GMT, Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> > I went looking for support in Linux for USB Hubs. Nada. Zip.
>>
>> Hubs are OS-independant, you retard.
>
>Ah yes. That explains it.
>
>When Windows boots, the lights come on the hub box.
>
>When Linux boots, the lights go out on the hub box.
...only in your own little dreamworld.
[deletia]
--
Regarding Copyleft:
There are more of "US" than there are of "YOU", so I don't
really give a damn if you're mad that the L/GPL makes it
harder for you to be a robber baron.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Whistler predictions...
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 09:18:35 -0000
On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 11:01:59 +0200, Ayende Rahien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"Salvador Peralta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:957ho5$cs9$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Nik Simpson quoth:
[deletia]
>> FUD. You can get Mandrake, install all the packages that you want, many
>> more, in fact than you can install on Windows, and be up and running in
>> less than an hour if you handle the installation yourself. As the
>> installer finds the hardware for you little or not configuration is
>> necessary.
>>
>> If you buy a pre-packaged system, it would take about 10 minutes to get
>> connected and you wouldn't have to worry about Mom getting virii from
>email
>> attachments.
>
>Correct, in Linux, you don't even need the email attachments to get virii,
>they travel on their own.
...assuming you've got an unpatched version of Redhat and
you're also running the vulnerable services in question.
Since you're responding to a comment about Mandrake, you're
just spreading misinformation actually.
--
The LGPL does infact tend to be used instead of the GPL in instances
where merely reusing a component, while not actually altering that
component, would be unecessarily burdensome to people seeking to
build their own works.
This dramatically alters the nature and usefulness of Free Software
in practice, contrary to the 'all viral all the time' fantasy the
anti-GPL cabal here would prefer one to believe.
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From: "Adam Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Aspects of open-source that MS will co-opt: Predictions?
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 09:18:25 GMT
Hi Flacco,
> > This is not a prediction: Microsoft desperately wants student mindshare
> > and to engender a feeling of community.
>
> Do you think it will work?
Did you see one of the replies?:
"Participants will get FREE FULL VERSIONS of Windows 2000 Professional and
Visual Studio 6.0 Professional on CD and we will help you install them.
Pre-registration is required for the Installfest, so I know how many copies
to get."
That might work ;-)
(I'd like to know whether those free full versions were only provided with
academic licenses though).
> I've thought Linux install-fests, complete with an alternate hard drive to
> boot off of available at cost, would be good.
There's been a few Linux/BSD installfests in New Zealand.
Regards,
Adam
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ian Davey)
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 09:33:20 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >Atheism is active disbelief, Agnisticism is skepticism about the belief.
>>
>> No, atheism is lack of belief.
>
>No..that's agnosticism.
Nope, agnosticism is a position similar to "I've not made my mind up yet."
That's not a lack of belief, just an admission of not really knowing what to
believe.
>A theism *IS* a belief....specifically a belief in the null postulate.
This seems more the typical Christian expression of Atheism, trying to
position it as a belief system. It means "without theism" in the same way that
amoral means "without morality". So you can argue semantics, and some may try
and turn Atheism into a belief system, especially Christians because they
like to paint it that way. It's not something you practice or follow though,
you don't actually need to do or believe anything to be an Atheist.
As far as Atheists are concerned, god doesn't exist any more than Santa Claus
or the Easter Bunny. You don't have to actively not believe in their
existence, they merely exist as nice stories for people who feel they need
them (IMHO).
ian.
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: KULKIS IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 09:37:20 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Marty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Edward Rosten wrote:
>>
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Marty"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > Edward Rosten wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >> It has now moved on from that.
>> >> >
>> >> > Actually, the situation hasn't changed. I'm still ignoring Malloy
>> >> > like I was at the beginning of the thread, and Malloy is still
>> >> > posting his ridiculous responses like he was at the beginning of
>> >> > the thread. He hasn't moved on.
>> >>
>> >> That part of the situation has changed, but Marty has since joined
>> >> in, which means that some parts of the situation have changed.
>> >
>> > Actually, the situation hasn't changed. I'm still ignoring Tholen,
>> > and have been for over a month. Dave is still posting his ridiculous
>> > response like he had in other threads. He hasn't moved on.
>>
>> Who is Dave?
>
> Haven't you been paying attention?
I thought I had, but I mus have missed the relavent post.
Who is dave?
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: THOLEN IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 09:37:56 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
thanks
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Sound a networks
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 11:38:31 +0200
"NOYB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Mon, 29 Jan 2001 00:21:39 GMT, "Kyle Jacobs"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >"Donn Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> In comp.os.linux.advocacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> >> > You have the power of the CLI at your finger tips.
> >>
> >> Don't forget to try mpg123 to play MP3's at the console. :-) Sad to
say,
> >but
> >> in order to win over the Windows users, at least, Linux needs to
support
> >> sound HW as widely as possible. It doesn't matter much how stable your
> >box is.
> >> If it can't play sound and videos, people are going to bitch,
especially
> >> Windows converts looking for instant gratification. Those types of
people
> >> expect things to work, and if they don't, they bitch.
> >
> >Oh yes, because god forbid something in Linux should work properly
without
> >needing an upgrade, replacement or recompilation.
>
> <grin>
> What do you think those drivers are doing that you downloaded and
> (installed) on your windows box? They're modifying the registry
> (core) of the OS.
The registry is *not* the core of the OS.
It's just a place where you store data.
Some of which is critical for the OS to work correctly.
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From: "Adam Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Security: Linux v. MS
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 22:47:44 +1200
Hi Jim,
> I seem to remember a web address that gave a compiled list of cracked
sites
> that were listed by OS. I didn't bookmark the site and want to send it to
> a friend. Does anyone have that URL?
You will want to check out attrition.org. Specifically the commentary and
statistics sections:
http://www.attrition.org/security/commentary/
http://www.attrition.org/mirror/attrition/stats.html
Regards,
Adam
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: KULKIS IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 09:47:32 +0000
In article <gdJd6.3946$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Edward Rosten writes:
>
>>>>>>>> It was origionally a tholen.vs.malloy thread.
>
>>>>>>> Incorrect, given that I haven't responded to Malloy.
>
>>>>>> Granted. It was a malloy vs tholen thread---he had responded to
>>>>>> you.
>
>>>>> Rather one-sided to be using "vs".
>
>>>> Mabey, but he is still arguing with you (even though you don't
>>>> respond).
>
>>> Illogical, given that it takes two to argue.
>
>> Read his posts. It looks like he's arguing,
>
> With whom?
Dunno, but he's arguing.
>
>> in fact he is arguing,
>
> With whom?
Still dunno, but read his posts ,he looks like he's arguing.
>> but he's getting no response.
>
> Not much of an argument, is it?
You would get a different impression if you read his posts.
>> He's certainly attempting to argue.
>
> Do make up your mind.
I have.
>>>> I think vs. is justified.
>
>>> What you think is irrelevant; the fact is that it takes two to argue.
>
>>>>>>>> It's moved on since, hence the new suggestion for the name.
>
>>>>>>> You're erroneously presupposing that it was origionally [sic] a
>>>>>>> "tholen.vs.malloy" thread.
>
>>>>>> I have now restated a more accurate version.
>
>>>>> Not accurate enough.
>
>>>> I believe it is, but that's just an opinion.
>
>>> What you believe is irrelevant; the fact is that it takes two to
>>> argue.
>
>> See above.
>
> I see an inconsistency above. First you said he is arguing, but then
> you said he's attempting to argue.
It's the same thing. OK, so he's arguing with /dev/null.
>>>>>> It has now moved on from that.
>
>>>>> Actually, the situation hasn't changed. I'm still ignoring Malloy
>>>>> like I was at the beginning of the thread, and Malloy is still
>>>>> posting his ridiculous responses like he was at the beginning of the
>>>>> thread. He hasn't moved on.
>
>>>> That part of the situation has changed, but Marty has since joined
>>>> in, which means that some parts of the situation have changed.
>
>>> Not the parts relevant to you calling it "malloy vs tholen".
>
>> How about
>>
>> malloy vs (tholen)
>>
>> to indicate the subject, but also to indicate that you are not taking
>> part.
>
> How about "malloy vs ", to indicate that nobody else is taking part. Why
> specify me?
The attempted argument is with you. You are therefore involved in a
passive way whether you like it or not.
>> But, I don't think usenat likes (s in names.
>
> What you think is irrelevant.
Eh? If ('s can't exist in usenet names then the group
comp.malloy.vs.(tholen)
can not be created.
-Ed
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.microsoft.sucks
Subject: Re: Global Configuration tool (WAS: Re: linux does NOT suck (oh yes it
does) )
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 11:48:48 +0200
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Kyle Jacobs wrote:
> >
> > "Kevin Ford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > > The price is the thing. We can get ten Linux servers as good or
> > > better than 1 AIX server, 4 Solaris servers or 3 Windows servers.
> > >
> > > This is why Linux rules.
> >
> > Except for the small issue that Windows NT is still in place, while you
> > linzealots insist that Linux can replace Windows on the desktop. It
can't,
> > sadly, dolts like Kulkis (who would sooner lob off his left testicle
then
> > admit to a UNIX based anything having anything less than total
perfection)
>
> Unix has several legitimate faults.
Wow, that is a first, now name them.
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