Linux-Advocacy Digest #928, Volume #31 Sat, 3 Feb 01 06:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: The 130MByte text file (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: The 130MByte text file ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: more egg on microsoft's face! :-) ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: questions (windows & Mac)....? (Peter Hayes)
Re: More Mandrake Fun :( (Gardiner Family)
Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: The 130MByte text file ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Politics (was Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else) (Walt, Southern California,
USA)
Re: Linux is a fad? (Gardiner Family)
Re: Sound a networks (Pete Goodwin)
Re: More Mandrake Fun :( ("--====--" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Walt, Southern California, USA)
Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell (pip)
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The 130MByte text file
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 10:37:27 +0000
J Sloan wrote:
> Your story is suspect of course - as you have seen,
> others here have carried out your experiment on their
> Linux systems and had no trouble.
Oh yeah?
That explains why one person tried it and got similar results.
No one yet has tried loading a similar file into Advanced Text Editor and
posted the results.
I tried it again, same result. System hung.
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 10:38:46 +0000
Bob Hauck wrote:
> Is PFE still being developed? I used to like it a lot until they got
> XEmacs working decently on Win32.
Last I heard it was being discontinued. 8(
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 10:41:00 +0000
J Sloan wrote:
> If you said yes to telnet, and allowed the installation
> to complete successfully, then telnet is there, but
> you may have inadvertently disabled it, or purposely
> disabled it for all we know, so as to "counter linux
> advocacy".
I said yes to telnet and it was not there. I did not delete it or disable
it in any way. I believe this is a problem with the Mandrake installer.
As for deliberately manufacturing these problems, I can offer you no proof
either way. I can only say that you are so desperate to deny what I'm
saying, you make things up to fit your view of the world.
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: The 130MByte text file
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 10:34:18 GMT
In article <95g6im$aoc$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Try "startx -- :1" instead. "startx -- :2" for the next one after
> that. But be warned, this can get fairly confusing fairly quickly.....
> You are probably better off with a virtual window manager that gives
> you virtual desktops in a single X server.
No way. Very neat. Thanks.
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: more egg on microsoft's face! :-)
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 10:40:10 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "jtnews"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-4682851.html?tag=tp_pr
Why bother. Haven't they heard that Linux is Doomed(tm)?
-Ed
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Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 10:44:17 +0000
J Sloan wrote:
> You burned not only me, but a number of folks
> who went out of their way to try and help you,
> not knowing that you playing mind games.
And as I have stated before - this is an advocacy group, not a help group.
You call it mind games you got burnt in - I say you burnt yourself - why
did you offer help in a group not designed for such?
You misrepresented me in another post - and you are trying to do the same
here.
> Ah, but your endless antics have earned you that crown.
I'm beginning to think your antics have earned you a crown. It's not the
comic crown though. It's something else and very unpleasant.
> I believe you are very sincere, and in deadly earnest,
> about your "mission to counter Linux advocacy".
I dunno about "deadly earnest", as I don't stand to gain anything.
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 10:46:29 +0000
J Sloan wrote:
> Well to be quite truthful your story is very suspect.
To be quite truthful, since you have posted lies about me, I doubt you
understand the meaning of truth.
> Others have duplicated your "experiment" with different
> results from what you reported - perhaps you assumed
> that noone would try to verify it?
I've seen noone else post the results yet. Except one person who confirmed
that KWrite crashed on loading a large file. No one yet has tried the
Advanced Text Editor, as far as I know.
Of course, this could be another of your twists of the truth.
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 10:49:05 +0000
Nick Condon wrote:
> Pete Goodwin said: "there are no free calls in the UK."
So I made a mistake. I don't keep up with all that's changing in the world
of free calls here in the UK.
> Do you wish to change your statement? How about this:
> Pete Goodwin has numerous options for unmetered Internet access but can't
> seem to get it together, so he pays for every minute he's on-line.
Ah, but I'm not that stupid. I'm about to change to a fixed rate of £33 a
month for a cable internet service, where I don't pay for being on line and
get 500kbits/sec.
> What does that say about your judgement, and how much import should we
> attach to your experiences with Linux when you can't even figure out the
> telephone system?
See above.
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: Peter Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: questions (windows & Mac)....?
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 10:43:48 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 03 Feb 2001 01:54:53 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Feb 2001 18:48:45 -0000, "Daza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >MacOS X is a big deal as it brings many UNIX fundamentals to a truly
> >consumer friendly OS. Obviously you are IT literate enough to install,
> >maintain and use Linux, but there is a VERY large group of people who just
> >want to turn on a computer and use it like an appliance. Apple are leagues
> >ahead of everyone else at designing hardware and software for the average
> >man/women/alien in the street.
>
>
> Consumer friendly and Linux used in the same sentence is an oxymoron.
> These Penguinista's haven't a clue to what user friendly or consumer
> friendly even means.
Funny thing. I just knew you'd say that, even before I pressed the
spacebar..
> Nobody in their right mind would replace MacOS with Linux and even if
> in a moment of insanity, they tried Linux, they would be back to MacOS
> so fast you couldn't even measure it.
>
> Setting up an iMac takes 5 steps, 3 of which describe how to get it
> out of the box.
You mean the Jobinista need instruction on how to get it out of the box?
Confirms all my suspicions...
> Plug in the keyboard/power cord and turn it on. That's
> it. It asks for your ISP and phone number and away you go on the net.
As easy as WebTV. And about as much use. Like the Cube (there's another
example of the Jobinista drooling over something that looks stunning but
can't do very much other than decorate the corporate reception desk).
> Mac users are the ULTIMATE users, because that is what they do best.
> They USE their system, and are not interested in BUILDING a system.
> That is why although they are somewhat zealous about the Mac platform,
> you rarely hear Mac users ranting about operating systems. They rant
> about applications and ease of use and the total lack of fiddling
> around with an operating system.
>
> Asking those guys to compile a kernel or edit a ppp-options file would
> be like talking greek to an irishman.
I've been running this laptop with LM7.2 since it was released, I've never
compiled a kernel for it or edited a ppp-options file, (KPPP does that for
you).
Give a new computer-illiterate user a machine with LM7.2 on it and they'd
find it just as easy (or hard) to type a letter, play Quake or surf the net
as they would given a Wintel machine or a Mac.
You *can* compile a kernel or edit a ppp-options file if you want. It's not
compulsory. What's compulsory about Windows or Macs is that you *can't* do
that.
> Linux is an unfriendly, hostile and downright nasty operating system
> that is geared toward the geek who enjoys fluttering around with text
> files and goes orgasmic with each new kernel release.
>
> It is a highly stable system until you put a GUI on it and run some
> applications.
I put a second graphics card into my LM7.2 desktop, followed the
instructions in the HOWTO and I now have a 3200x1200 desktop. Superb. And I
can add graphics cards ad infinitum, or till I run out of PCI/AGP slots
and/or monitors.
And I can now run The Gimp with images in one monitor and tools in the
other, all on one desktop, with another 15 available if need be. And it
DOESN'T crash. Also, the software's free thereby cutting down on TCO.
I tried to get the 2-card setup working with Windows. It configured the
second card, but as soon as I dragged a window across to the second monitor
the whole system seized as solid as an engine without oil. Never yet got it
working, had to disable the second screen. Bummer, Mr Windinista Flatfish.
> That is assuming you can find applications worth running
> instead of the typical hacked together junk that looks like it was
> written by some kid.
>
> Nope, the other 95 percent of the world wants user friendly, easy to
> install and compatible with what ever the rest of the earth is running
> and that means either Mac or Windows.
>
> And yes the eye candy factor is big because it generally means someone
> took the time to make the application look good and typically user
> friendly and fun to use as well.
No, it means a lot of the design costs went into form rather than function.
Commercial software houses have budgets and deadlines to work to. Money
invested in eye candy doesn't go into the product core, or it costs more.
Linux products are released when they're ready. And if you can't wait you
can usually get an Alpha or Beta release.
> Take a look at the sparse, half done look of many Linux applications
> and compare them to Windows or Mac applications. This type of look is
> not going to impress anyone.
I'd rather have the money and/or effort invested in product functionality
than in eye candy, nice that that can be. Or write the eye candy yourself -
at least you can, unlike Windows or Mac apps.
Compare Caitoo or WebDownloader with GoZilla. GoZilla has all the flash
(plus adware and spyware, of course) but it locks solid if your ISP drops
the line, or your better half lifts the phone. You can get out of GoZilla
with the three fingered salute, but the whole system's inherently unstable
and a reboot's not far away.
WebDownloader hasn't the (disgustingly, IMHO) flashy boxes of GoZilla but
it doesn't lock solid either. Or have the ad/spyware.
> And as for the excuse that the Linux
> programs are more stable, I have found the exact opposite to be true
> when using GUI applications.
Running those Alpha downloads again?
> Linux has a long way to go.
Linux is in a state of flux just now, with kernel 2.4, KDE2, XFree4 all
coming out virtually simultaneously, certainly in terms of Microsoft
product timescales. When these wrinkles are ironed out we'll have stable
distros that'll see off Whistler and MacOSX.
Linux started in 1991. Windoze had been going 6 years. Macs had been going
7 years. Dos had been going 10 years. Apple had been going 12 or 13 years.
Microsoft had been going 16 years.
Yes Linux has a lot of time to make up, but it's reeling in the opposition
fast.
And I mean FAST.
Peter
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From: Gardiner Family <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More Mandrake Fun :(
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 23:49:30 +1300
your point being? or are you one of those 90% of americans who did not know the
rest of the world was real, and not a urban myth?
matt
"--==<( Jeepster )>==--" wrote:
> Listen, living all the way down at the bottom of the world as you do, where
> dark and terrible things happen to chicken heads and the sheep tremble when
> wellies are worn, you cannot in all of the heavens honestly dare to comment
> on our north western 'magic' can you?
>
> Also, are you some sort of Borg collective?
>
> "Gardiner Family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > use SuSE Linux with reiserfs, then life will be easier. Also, until you
> > actually use other distro's and stop bitching like an old hen, NOW ONE
> > will take you seriously as a Linux critic, instead most will view you as
> > a 15 year old punk with a chip on his shoulder.
> >
> > Matt
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > > So today I go to shut down Mandrake 7.2 and it won't shut down
> > > properly. It goes through the menues of turning things off but then
> > > just goes back to the KDM login screen which blinks for a second or 2
> > > and then it tries to start the X-Server, which blinks a couple of
> > > times and it goes through the same routine, over and over and over
> > > again.
> > > Can't kill the X-server via key presses.
> > > Can't login to another terminal.
> > > Ctrl-Alt-Del does not work.
> > > BRS time.
> > >
> > > Next boot up entire file system is scrambled and after 5 hours of
> > > churning still has not produced a working system.
> > >
> > > I'm going to let it churn over night and see what happens but I don't
> > > expect much.
> > >
> > > Great system this Linux.
> > > Great system indeed.
> > > Great system NOT!!!!
> > >
> > > And before you tell me that Mandrake is NOT Linux, to me it IS Linux
> > > because that is the distribution that I bought.
> > >
> > > Flatfish
> > > Why do they call it a flatfish?
> > > Remove the ++++ to reply.
> >
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 10:52:16 +0000
Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> And when I was in London, I saw billboards for them all over the place.
>
> You couldn't take a subway ride without coming across several such ads.
Yes, I saw them.
I also took the time to read the small print on most of them.
You did read that part didn't you.
You know, the one that says, "BT customers only".
I'm not with BT. I'm with a cable company. Most of these deals don't apply
to me.
Oh, I could "go back" to BT, but they're more expensive than who I'm with.
Besides, it's all about to change. I'm switching to a cable internet line.
It'll cost me £33 a month but it's unlimited and ten times faster than a
modem.
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: The 130MByte text file
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 10:37:05 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 02 Feb 2001 04:13:44 GMT, J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >Abiword is not a Linux app - it's a work in progress, and
> >
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >
> > So is Linux :)
>
> Yes, Linux is indeed a work in progress -
>
> and yes, there is still much to be done.
>
> However, it is coming along very very nicely.
And you know what? As long as Microsoft cannot guarantee a perfect
release of their software without the need for Service Packs, so is
Windows.
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From: Walt, Southern California, USA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Politics (was Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else)
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 10:40:20 GMT
All you have to do is read and you'll see that historically, the most
crooked elections have happened in Democratic strongholds: Tamany Hall
(New York City), Chicago under Richard Daley Sr., and the county of Los
Angeles (in recent years) in California.
In Los Angeles, thousands of illegal immigrants, along with people in
local cemeteries, registered and voted in recent elections. And of
course, they voted overwhelmingly Democratic.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" a écrit :
> >
> > Grant Edwards wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> > >
> > > >Most of the tamper-friendly voting systems are in Demoncrook-run
counties.
> > > >Why is that?
> > >
> > > Democtratic counties tend to be poorer?
> >
> > Lame EXCUSE
> >
> > You're telling me that even though scan-tron machines are prevelant
> > in every single school in the country, they're suddenly
prohibitively
> > expensive when sold with voting software?
> >
> > I don't buy it.
> >
>
> Then you are an ignorant. 4% error is not important unless the
difference
> between the candidates is below that. When money is scarce in a
county,
> this is usually spent where it's needed the most, in the schools,
police
> and public works. The federal and states should pay for the voting
system
> not the poor local system.
>
> > Especially not when a man CONVICTED of multiple felony counts of
> > ballot-tampering for the benefit of Democrat candidates explained
> > fully well that the whole strategy revolves around the tamperability
> > of punch-card ballots.
> >
>
> There is fraud across the board but most of it is done by the ones who
> can afford it the most. What about those thousands of New Yorkers who
> voted both in New York and Florida? A large portion of absentee
ballots
> were cast by republicans. If you remove all the illegal absentee
ballots
> Al Gore wins big even with the screw up in the largely democratic
counties.
>
> > You remember all the chads that kept getting swept up off the floor
> > in Florida...NEVER allowed to accumulate, lest it become completely
> > fucking obvious what was being done.
> >
>
> Those chads should have been removed from the ballots in the first
place.
> If not punched there is no way in hell one of those chads can come
off.
> You obviously have never seen one of those ballots.
>
> --
> Tired of Microsoft's rebootive multitasking?
> then it's time to upgrade to Linux.
> http://www.netonecom.net/~bbcat
> We have all kinds of links
> and many SuSE 7.0 Linux RPM packages
>
--
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I eat them because I like them.
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From: Gardiner Family <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is a fad?
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 23:51:16 +1300
xenaphobic, aren't you...hmm, oh well, what do you expect from a windows user.
matt
"--==<( Jeepster )>==--" wrote:
> New Zealand has electricity?
>
> "Gardiner Family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Lets have a look at the long post of psuedo-facts:
> >
> > "--==<( Jeepster )>==--" wrote:
> >
> > > Oh my ribs, they are sore after both
> > >
> > > a) laughing
> > >
> > > b) being poked by youir razor sharp funny finger.
> > >
> > > I have tried linux, mandrake, redhat, storm, turbo and even yellow dog
> on
> > > machine i borrowed for a month.
> > >
> > > Dont like them...sorry, maybe its personal taste, but i'd rather stay
> with
> > > windows 2000 where i can
> > >
> > > a) buy software off the shelves
> > >
> >
> > I do, except, I am the so-called "e-shopper", hence I either goto
> > www.lokigames.com for my gaming needs, or www.drfloppy.co.nz for programs,
> or
> > www.vistasource.com for my office suite I have just purchased, hence, for
> me as
> > a netizen, I am quite dandy.
> >
> > >
> > > b) play the latest games
> >
> > I only play Simcity 3k and Civilisation CTP, I know I could probably get
> other
> > games, but why purchase more games when I won't play them, hence, I am
> catered
> > for needs. Also, I know very few Windows users who actually use legally
> bought
> > software, esp. Office, considering it's nice price tag of $NZ850 for a
> standard
> > edition, which most New Zealand consumers don't like to waste there money
> on,
> > they either pir8 a copy or use an alternative such as StarOffice 5.2 or
> > Vistasource's Office Suite.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > c) use the latest hardware (do the words USB still strike fear into your
> > > heart?...it should, as far as I know only mice & keyboards are
> > > supported....oh dear)
> >
> > hmm, the only "new" usb devices that aren't supported are ones not used by
> the
> > populas, you may like to feel special because you use some obscure piece
> of
> > hardware (so you can boast at your local Windows orgy), but most people
> actually
> > use their computer as a tool, not a sex partner like you.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > d) not worry that the libraries will get broken if i had to install bet
> a
> > > test software.
> >
> > Can you say DLL HELL! I have never had a problem with Linux libraries.
> Need to
> > update a library, download and install it in a flash. So whats you point
> here?
> >
> > >
> > > e) use a good browser rather than the beta offerings or the half
> finished
> > > offerings given to linux users. LOL - case in point Netscape 4.x/6 and
> > > Konqueror..... NOW thats BAD.
> > >
> >
> > I use Netscape and have no problems with it, so I don't know what you are
> > getting at?
> >
> > >
> > > f) worry about getting the latest Kernel and then buggering it all up
> > > because the kernel needs to be patched to enable sound, PPP etc etc rah
> rah
> > > rah
> > >
> >
> > kernel driver patch = driver (like under windows). And yet again, I never
> have
> > these problems. Maybe these problems are just you.
> >
> > >
> > > g) I can use standard applications at home and then go into any office
> and
> > > hey, the same things...wow......
> > >
> >
> > I use FreeBSD w/ Vistasource Office 5.0 and at University, I use Word, and
> I
> > have no problems when using the document on either machine. Yet again, I
> don't
> > know what you are getting at.
> >
> > >
> > > h) avoid arcane command line crap....i mean, who the hell wants to go
> > > through an entire user manual to get the sound card to initialise and
> then
> > > find it wont ?
> >
> > I mainly use the GUI (no hassles please) and I also use the Command line.
> And
> > as as I remember, to get the sound working under Redhat, drop to command
> line
> > and run sndconfig, the sound card is automatically detected. In the case
> of
> > SuSE, load up yast 2 (the GUI version) and it is automatically detected.
> Yet
> > again, I don't know what you are getting at.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > i) who would want to sacrifice a Windows/Windows solution for a
> > > Linux/Windows integrated solution until there is some more solid,
> documented
> > > applications and cases that have already tried it and detailed the pros
> and
> > > cons? Linux has a long way to go before stepping up to the corporate
> > > plate...
> >
> > Thats the US. People in the US are easy to con (talk to a street market
> seller
> > in India, and you'll pleasently be surprise who she/he can REALLY con out
> of
> > $100's). Here in New Zealand, Linux is sweeping through the corporate seen
> like
> > wildfire, and as always, the US will the be the lasts ones to convert.
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> >
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sound a networks
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 10:54:39 +0000
Tom Wilson wrote:
> I don't know. I generally take the approach that if you want things done
> correctly you have to do them yourself. This goes for Linux installations
> too. Just grab tarballs and start compiling...You never fail doing this.
I'd rather it was done for me... sounds like Linux has a way to go with
distributions.
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: "--==<\( Jeepster \)>==--" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More Mandrake Fun :(
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 10:55:44 -0000
Did I say I was American?
Please try again, or are you one of the ex-colonists that think that all
things in the world revolve around US 'culture' and the power of the burger?
No. Not American.
"Gardiner Family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> your point being? or are you one of those 90% of americans who did not
know the
> rest of the world was real, and not a urban myth?
>
> matt
>
> "--==<( Jeepster )>==--" wrote:
>
> > Listen, living all the way down at the bottom of the world as you do,
where
> > dark and terrible things happen to chicken heads and the sheep tremble
when
> > wellies are worn, you cannot in all of the heavens honestly dare to
comment
> > on our north western 'magic' can you?
> >
> > Also, are you some sort of Borg collective?
> >
> > "Gardiner Family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > use SuSE Linux with reiserfs, then life will be easier. Also, until
you
> > > actually use other distro's and stop bitching like an old hen, NOW ONE
> > > will take you seriously as a Linux critic, instead most will view you
as
> > > a 15 year old punk with a chip on his shoulder.
> > >
> > > Matt
> > >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > > > So today I go to shut down Mandrake 7.2 and it won't shut down
> > > > properly. It goes through the menues of turning things off but then
> > > > just goes back to the KDM login screen which blinks for a second or
2
> > > > and then it tries to start the X-Server, which blinks a couple of
> > > > times and it goes through the same routine, over and over and over
> > > > again.
> > > > Can't kill the X-server via key presses.
> > > > Can't login to another terminal.
> > > > Ctrl-Alt-Del does not work.
> > > > BRS time.
> > > >
> > > > Next boot up entire file system is scrambled and after 5 hours of
> > > > churning still has not produced a working system.
> > > >
> > > > I'm going to let it churn over night and see what happens but I
don't
> > > > expect much.
> > > >
> > > > Great system this Linux.
> > > > Great system indeed.
> > > > Great system NOT!!!!
> > > >
> > > > And before you tell me that Mandrake is NOT Linux, to me it IS Linux
> > > > because that is the distribution that I bought.
> > > >
> > > > Flatfish
> > > > Why do they call it a flatfish?
> > > > Remove the ++++ to reply.
> > >
>
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From: Walt, Southern California, USA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 10:54:55 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ian Davey) wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Ian Davey wrote:
> >>
> >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >> As far as Atheists are concerned, god doesn't exist any more
than Santa
> > Claus
> >> >> or the Easter Bunny.
> >> >
> >> >Which *IS* a belief in itself.
> >>
> >> Not true. I read lots of novels and enjoy them, but don't believe
any of the
> >> content as it's just fiction. There's no belief system wrapped up
in it.
> >> There's no need to pay any attention to people who elevate stories
into a
> >> belief system.
> >
The dictionary definition of "atheist" is, "one who denies the existence
of God." That is definitely an active belief.
--
Secret "Apple Jacks" cereal eater.
I eat them because I like them.
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From: pip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,rec.games.frp.dnd
Subject: Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 11:04:18 +0000
Robert Morelli wrote:
> having a vision. They have both run businesses that succeed by
> relentlessly pursuing market share while competitors pursue innovation.
That's not true. They are innovative - they nick other companies ideas,
therefore you could say that they have proxy innovation.
> I personally don't admire what Gates has accomplished at Microsoft.
Really? I do. If you can sell an unreliable OS to >90% of people
then you can handle my marketing budget :-) I mean this in a very
real way! Sounds like sour grapes to me.
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