Linux-Advocacy Digest #32, Volume #32 Wed, 7 Feb 01 07:13:07 EST
Contents:
Re: Linux performance results ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Wy Linux will/is failing on the desktop ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: ERIK FUNKENBUSH CAN'T TELL US ***WHAT*** .NET IS ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Aaron R Kulkis (Shane Phelps)
Re: Linux is a fad? (Nick Condon)
New 3D OpenGL Demo (Roman Podobedov)
Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell (Karel Jansens)
Re: Goodby MS... ("Joseph T. Adams")
Re: The Wintrolls (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=)
Re: ERIK FUNKENBUSH CAN'T TELL US ***WHAT*** .NET IS ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Aaron R Kulkis ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux is a fad? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux performance results
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 04:17:45 -0600
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > If your comment is about actual benchmarks, then I simply don't believe
you.
> > For instance, the rc5 cracking client runs almost an order of magnitude
> > faster on my PII 450 running Win98 (when I ran Win98 on it) than it does
on
> > the P200 running FreeBSD.
>
> Shock! Horror! Fast CPUs go faster than slower ones!
Hey, Donn made the comment that there wasn't much difference in performance
between a P166 and AMD 450. So don't act all sanctimonious when I call him
on that statement.
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Wy Linux will/is failing on the desktop
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 04:21:40 -0600
I didn't say that. I said 66% couldn't even get it to work, that's not the
same thing.
"Interconnect" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:95q3jq$fmn$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Thats not bad 33% decided to continue using it.
>
> Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:YCRf6.3858$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Don't believe me?
> > >
> > > I suggest you try Linux for yourself and make your own mind up.
> >
> > While I only partially agree with some of what you've written, I think
> this
> > is something everyone (including Linux advocates) can agree on.
> >
> > Sadly, my own experience is that 2 out of every 3 people I have talked
to
> > that tried Linux, gave up on it without getting it to work successfully.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: ERIK FUNKENBUSH CAN'T TELL US ***WHAT*** .NET IS
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 04:24:31 -0600
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:63Pf6.560$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > Thanks but no thanks...Windows 2000 Professional is the end of
the
> > line
> > > > > for
> > > > > > me. Whistler is totally unnecessary and .NET will NEVER pollute
one
> > of my
> > > > > > machines. It's about as transparent a money vacuum as DIVX was.
We
> > will
> > > > > > neither utilize it nor develop for it - period. It is something
to
> > be
> > > > > > viewed with disdain, not anticipation. Only the severely
> > short-sighted
> > > > > > would actually welcome such a system.
> > > > >
> > > > > Spoken just like someone without a clue about what .NET is.
> > > > >
> > > > > (HINT: The subscription based services are only a tiny part of
it,
> > and
> > > > > something that very few .NET programs will take advantage of. If
this
> > is
> > > > > the only argument you can come up with, you're going to be quite
> > surprised).
> > > >
> > > > OK, Erik The-laughably-named...why don't you tell us *precisely*
what
> > > > .NET is.....
> > >
> > > 15 hours, and NO answer from Erik.
> > >
> > > I wonder why
> >
> > Some people have lives outside of usenet.
>
> Notice he replies...but DODGES THE QUESTION.
>
> Soooooo, I'll ask AGAIN:
>
> How about you TELL US ***PRECISELY*** WHAT .NET IS.
Notice that are completely ignoring my other article in which I do.
Stop playing games.
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From: Shane Phelps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Aaron R Kulkis
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 21:49:34 +1100
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> Bob Hauck wrote:
> >
> > On 6 Feb 2001 11:37:14 GMT, Bloody Viking <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >Watch for longhairs who use heavy-duty calculators as a Palm Pilot...
> >
> > What about the ones who use a Palm Pilot as a heavy-duty calculator?
> >
>
> Summary execution.
>
> "Thou shalt have no other calculator before HP", and all that.
>
Well, *I* thought my TI58 was pretty hot stuff
If God had meant us to use RPN he would have given us Forth instead of C
[ sigsnip ]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nick Condon)
Subject: Re: Linux is a fad?
Date: 7 Feb 2001 11:10:05 GMT
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>We've actually got a surplus right now...I willing to export electricity
>>if you supply the extension cord required :)
>
>Heh...there's a thought. I don't know the prices of transatlantic
>cable, though. :-)
I knew Yanks were bad at geography, but that's appalling.
--
Nick
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roman Podobedov)
Crossposted-To:
comp.databases.ms-access,alt.ozdebate,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,rec.photo.digital,alt.binaries.movies.divx,alt.html,alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: New 3D OpenGL Demo
Date: 7 Feb 2001 11:15:40 GMT
On Romka Graphics new OpenGL 3D demo: "Flying Demo". This is flying
through the city and this demo demonstrates advanced camera movement
and loading models (from OBJ files), mapping on them textures and so on.
Demo is for Windows, as usually full source available.
Romka Graphics: http://romka.demonews.com
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From: Karel Jansens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,rec.games.frp.dnd
Subject: Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 12:02:48 +0100
G3 wrote:
>
> in article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Josh McKee at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote on 2/6/01 7:45 PM:
>
> >
> > You're having said what you did above, I would have to conclude that
> > you don't have any idea what you're talking about.
>
> Just what is this supposed to be referring to?
>
Simple. If, as you claim, you were "... able to get at [your CD-ROM]
from a text prompt", but not from X-Windows, your claim that linux
couldn't detect your CD-ROM is false. It only means that you couldn't
figure out how to get at it from within X. Why didn't you say that
instead of making wild an inaccurate accusations?
If you had said: "My f***ing windows manager won't bloody find my
bloody CD-ROM", you might actually have got some sympathetic
reactions, because some of those buggers have really weird ideas about
how icons are supposed to be created. Most of them are pretty
straight-forward, though. And there's always the trusted X-term,
which, though arcane, will actually do what you tell it to.
> >>> How exactly did you get the install-CD going if the CD-ROM wasn't
> >>> recognized?
> >>>
> >>> Hmmmmmmmmmmmm?
> >>
> >> With some stupid boot disk they sent with it.
> >
> > You said it wasn't recognized. If the OS couldn't recognize it, a boot
> > disk wasn't going to help.
>
> Boot disk worked fine. I've had other OS's do this before. Also when I say
> OS I generally include the GUI. I could get the damn thing under X Windows,
> I could get it under CLI. So in your silly UNIX jibber jabber speak I
> suppose XWINDOWS didn't recognize it.
>
Could it be possible that your entire rant is about your linux CD not
automagically booting? Because that scenario is the only instance I
can think of where a boot disk might be necessary to get a CD-ROM
"recognized".
In which case: Well duh. Check your BIOS manual.
> >>>> that'd be at least a feasible task, still even the ABIT motherboard is
> >>>> pretty normal so I'm fairly disappointed the thing didn't go smoother than
> >>>> it did.)
> >>>
> >>> Just fuck off and die, asshole.
> >>
> >> Yep this folks is exactly why linux will NEVER be a consumer OS, its
> >> progenitors insist that if you don't know all its ins and outs like they do
> >> your problems simply can't exist.
> >
> > Did he claim that Linux was a consumer ready OS? If not, then you're
> > statement is a strawman.
>
> Many times, in fact based on your log there you're last 5 posts are "straw
> men" whatever the hell that's supposed to mean.
>
Define "consumer".
--
Regards,
Karel Jansens
==============================
"Go go gadget Windows." Crash!
==============================
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From: "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Goodby MS...
Date: 7 Feb 2001 11:46:03 GMT
Tom Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:>
:> Actually, that would be MS not able to write a decent API and or Class
: It would have been nice if they had actually put some thought into MFC...
: It appears to be grudgingly written by C programmers.
One of the few things that can be said in defense of MFC also explains
in part why it is so horrible: it predates the C++ standard by quite a
few years.
: The WTL classes are
: far superior, IMHO, but, they're no longer being developed, are poorly
: documented, and the classes that mirror MFC's are at times very
: inconsistant.
: The above class started out as a kludge to pull images from a database
: stream. Now, it supports nearly a dozen formats including VICAR (as a
: joke). About the only thing I used from the API was the bitblit function.
: The less you rely on the internal functions, oddly enough, the more
: consistant the results across all of the platforms. You'd think that the
: API would behave consistantly between 95 and NT, but it doesn't. Palette
: handling is entirely different as is how ANISOTROPIC mapping mode is
: carried out.
It's funny to hear VB "developers" fresh out of college dismiss any
notion of portability on the basis that "the whole world runs Windows"
and such tripe. Even if that were true, and thank God it is not,
there are sufficient differences between the 12+ Windows variants that
portability is a consideration if you need to support more than one of
them.
Joe
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From: Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Wintrolls
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 12:22:14 +0100
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> "Donn Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> >
> > > Linux didn't enable DMA mode for the hard drives by default. It took
> > > a
> lot
> > > of dinking around to figure out how to enable it, and what settings to
> use.
> >
> > Quite right. I especially love the feature that's in FreeBSD 4.2 where
> > the highest level of DMA is automatically probed at boot time. But,
> > this can also be bad, since there have been drives/controllers that
> > don't work very well with their advertised level of DMA, and in fact
> > causes crashes. For example, people have had to drop down to UDMA33,
> > because UDMA66 wasn't supported like it was advertised on the box. But
> > there's probably only a few drive/controller combos that have this
> > problem.
>
> It's much easier for the few people having trouble to drop down than to
> force everyone to enable it.
>
Sure.
There's only one catch: When you find out that you should drop down,
the system is probably just going down and can't do that.
There's also that possibility that you can't even install it.
I like the way SuSE made it in Version 7 much better.
You get a nice looking Checkbox in YAST2 and have the
option there to switch it on at boot time.
Still possible to do it the old way, naturally.
If it does not work OK, just boot only to Single-mode.
It's not switched on then, and you can switch it off.
Now, that's choice.
By the way, I know of at least 2 Win-Systems where you can't put
on DMA for IDE drives. Both run Win98. Both are slow as molasses.
Both have controllers AND drives which are quite capable to do it,
but Wintendo in it's infinite wisdom decided not to.
--
"The PROPER way to handle HTML postings is to cancel the article, then
hire a hitman to kill the poster, his wife and kids, and fuck his dog and
smash his computer into little bits. Anything more is just extremism."
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: ERIK FUNKENBUSH CAN'T TELL US ***WHAT*** .NET IS
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 06:56:22 -0500
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> > >
> > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:63Pf6.560$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > > Thanks but no thanks...Windows 2000 Professional is the end of
> the
> > > line
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > me. Whistler is totally unnecessary and .NET will NEVER pollute
> one
> > > of my
> > > > > > > machines. It's about as transparent a money vacuum as DIVX was.
> We
> > > will
> > > > > > > neither utilize it nor develop for it - period. It is something
> to
> > > be
> > > > > > > viewed with disdain, not anticipation. Only the severely
> > > short-sighted
> > > > > > > would actually welcome such a system.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Spoken just like someone without a clue about what .NET is.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (HINT: The subscription based services are only a tiny part of
> it,
> > > and
> > > > > > something that very few .NET programs will take advantage of. If
> this
> > > is
> > > > > > the only argument you can come up with, you're going to be quite
> > > surprised).
> > > > >
> > > > > OK, Erik The-laughably-named...why don't you tell us *precisely*
> what
> > > > > .NET is.....
> > > >
> > > > 15 hours, and NO answer from Erik.
> > > >
> > > > I wonder why
> > >
> > > Some people have lives outside of usenet.
> >
> > Notice he replies...but DODGES THE QUESTION.
> >
> > Soooooo, I'll ask AGAIN:
> >
> > How about you TELL US ***PRECISELY*** WHAT .NET IS.
>
> Notice that are completely ignoring my other article in which I do.
Bzzzzzzzzt! Wrong. You mentioned that only that it is more things than just
subscription based services. What things, exactly?
>
> Stop playing games.
I'm merely asking you to tell us to define what .NET is.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Aaron R Kulkis
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 06:58:18 -0500
Shane Phelps wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >
> > Bob Hauck wrote:
> > >
> > > On 6 Feb 2001 11:37:14 GMT, Bloody Viking <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Watch for longhairs who use heavy-duty calculators as a Palm Pilot...
> > >
> > > What about the ones who use a Palm Pilot as a heavy-duty calculator?
> > >
> >
> > Summary execution.
> >
> > "Thou shalt have no other calculator before HP", and all that.
> >
>
> Well, *I* thought my TI58 was pretty hot stuff
>
> If God had meant us to use RPN he would have given us Forth instead of C
Ever do math on paper with a pencil?
If so, then you already know properly order your intermediate calculations
for RPN.
I'll tell you this:
Use an RPN calculator for 1 hour, and non-RPN calculators feel very
awkward and clumsy.
>
> [ sigsnip ]
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is a fad?
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 07:01:49 -0500
Nick Condon wrote:
>
> The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>We've actually got a surplus right now...I willing to export electricity
> >>if you supply the extension cord required :)
> >
> >Heh...there's a thought. I don't know the prices of transatlantic
> >cable, though. :-)
>
> I knew Yanks were bad at geography, but that's appalling.
>
A few years ago, a Geography teacher at a college in Athens, Georgia (USA)
asked his students to show the location of Athens, Georgia on a map.
Over 50% of the studends COULD NOT DO IT (i.e. they had NO fucking idea
of their own location)....pretty pathetic.
And yet, the teachers' unions scoff every time anybody dares to question
the performance of the teachers in the US.
> --
> Nick
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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