Linux-Advocacy Digest #43, Volume #32 Wed, 7 Feb 01 21:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: Linux is a fad? (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?) ("Tom Wilson")
Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?) (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Wy Linux will/is failing on the desktop
Re: Who was saying Crays don't run Linux? (Bloody Viking)
Re: Linux is a fad? ("Tom Wilson")
Re: ERIK FUNKENBUSH CAN'T TELL US ***WHAT*** .NET IS ("Chad Myers")
Re: Sun vs. MS ("Adam Warner")
Re: Sun vs. MS (mlw)
Re: Linux is a fad? (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: The Wintrolls (J Sloan)
Re: MS executives at LinuxWorld Expo (mlw)
Re: Sun vs. MS (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Aaron R Kulkis (Charlie Ebert)
Re: The Wintrolls (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Wy Linux will/is failing on the desktop (J Sloan)
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is a fad?
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 00:45:32 GMT
New Zealand is the UNIX haven of the world, even one of Microsoft's
partners (Telecom NZ) don't use Windows, they have a bit of grey matter
upstairs and use SUN Systems loaded with Solaris.
Matthew Gardiner
Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> Charlie Ebert wrote:
>
>> In article <95gm0f$q8h$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>>> New Zealand has electricity?
>>>
>>
>> Is Microsoft really where you want to be today?
>
>
> For New Zealanders...yes...
>
> Microsoft is far...far...away...
>
>
>
>
>>> "Gardiner Family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>>
>>>> Lets have a look at the long post of psuedo-facts:
>>>>
>>>> "--==<( Jeepster )>==--" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Oh my ribs, they are sore after both
>>>>>
>>>>> a) laughing
>>>>>
>>>>> b) being poked by youir razor sharp funny finger.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have tried linux, mandrake, redhat, storm, turbo and even yellow dog
>>>>
>>> on
>>>
>>>>> machine i borrowed for a month.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dont like them...sorry, maybe its personal taste, but i'd rather stay
>>>>
>>> with
>>>
>>>>> windows 2000 where i can
>>>>>
>>>>> a) buy software off the shelves
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I do, except, I am the so-called "e-shopper", hence I either goto
>>>> www.lokigames.com for my gaming needs, or www.drfloppy.co.nz for programs,
>>>
>>> or
>>>
>>>> www.vistasource.com for my office suite I have just purchased, hence, for
>>>
>>> me as
>>>
>>>> a netizen, I am quite dandy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> b) play the latest games
>>>>
>>>> I only play Simcity 3k and Civilisation CTP, I know I could probably get
>>>
>>> other
>>>
>>>> games, but why purchase more games when I won't play them, hence, I am
>>>
>>> catered
>>>
>>>> for needs. Also, I know very few Windows users who actually use legally
>>>
>>> bought
>>>
>>>> software, esp. Office, considering it's nice price tag of $NZ850 for a
>>>
>>> standard
>>>
>>>> edition, which most New Zealand consumers don't like to waste there money
>>>
>>> on,
>>>
>>>> they either pir8 a copy or use an alternative such as StarOffice 5.2 or
>>>> Vistasource's Office Suite.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> c) use the latest hardware (do the words USB still strike fear into your
>>>>> heart?...it should, as far as I know only mice & keyboards are
>>>>> supported....oh dear)
>>>>
>>>> hmm, the only "new" usb devices that aren't supported are ones not used by
>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>> populas, you may like to feel special because you use some obscure piece
>>>
>>> of
>>>
>>>> hardware (so you can boast at your local Windows orgy), but most people
>>>
>>> actually
>>>
>>>> use their computer as a tool, not a sex partner like you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> d) not worry that the libraries will get broken if i had to install bet
>>>>
>>> a
>>>
>>>>> test software.
>>>>
>>>> Can you say DLL HELL! I have never had a problem with Linux libraries.
>>>
>>> Need to
>>>
>>>> update a library, download and install it in a flash. So whats you point
>>>
>>> here?
>>>
>>>>> e) use a good browser rather than the beta offerings or the half
>>>>
>>> finished
>>>
>>>>> offerings given to linux users. LOL - case in point Netscape 4.x/6 and
>>>>> Konqueror..... NOW thats BAD.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I use Netscape and have no problems with it, so I don't know what you are
>>>> getting at?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> f) worry about getting the latest Kernel and then buggering it all up
>>>>> because the kernel needs to be patched to enable sound, PPP etc etc rah
>>>>
>>> rah
>>>
>>>>> rah
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> kernel driver patch = driver (like under windows). And yet again, I never
>>>
>>> have
>>>
>>>> these problems. Maybe these problems are just you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> g) I can use standard applications at home and then go into any office
>>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>>>> hey, the same things...wow......
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I use FreeBSD w/ Vistasource Office 5.0 and at University, I use Word, and
>>>
>>> I
>>>
>>>> have no problems when using the document on either machine. Yet again, I
>>>
>>> don't
>>>
>>>> know what you are getting at.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> h) avoid arcane command line crap....i mean, who the hell wants to go
>>>>> through an entire user manual to get the sound card to initialise and
>>>>
>>> then
>>>
>>>>> find it wont ?
>>>>
>>>> I mainly use the GUI (no hassles please) and I also use the Command line.
>>>
>>> And
>>>
>>>> as as I remember, to get the sound working under Redhat, drop to command
>>>
>>> line
>>>
>>>> and run sndconfig, the sound card is automatically detected. In the case
>>>
>>> of
>>>
>>>> SuSE, load up yast 2 (the GUI version) and it is automatically detected.
>>>
>>> Yet
>>>
>>>> again, I don't know what you are getting at.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> i) who would want to sacrifice a Windows/Windows solution for a
>>>>> Linux/Windows integrated solution until there is some more solid,
>>>>
>>> documented
>>>
>>>>> applications and cases that have already tried it and detailed the pros
>>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>>>> cons? Linux has a long way to go before stepping up to the corporate
>>>>> plate...
>>>>
>>>> Thats the US. People in the US are easy to con (talk to a street market
>>>
>>> seller
>>>
>>>> in India, and you'll pleasently be surprise who she/he can REALLY con out
>>>
>>> of
>>>
>>>> $100's). Here in New Zealand, Linux is sweeping through the corporate seen
>>>
>>> like
>>>
>>>> wildfire, and as always, the US will the be the lasts ones to convert.
>>>>
>>>> Matt
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?)
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 00:46:50 GMT
"Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:XR3g6.3138$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:2i3g6.654$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:3a7fd96d$0$73955$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:63Pf6.560$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > >
> > > > "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:95lj67$5ck$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > >
> > > > > "." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > > > I hope it wont. I use Win98 at home because I like to play
> > games.
> > > > > > > > However, each successive release of Windows appears to be
trying
> > > to
> > > > > take
> > > > > > > > more and more control out of my hands, which I will not
permit
> > on
> > > > my
> > > > > > > > computer.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You want to talk about 9x and control? LOL.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yep. I'm not talking about the control you need in a work
> > > environment,
> > > > > > control over security - I knew MS was pretty short on that when
I
> > > first
> > > > > > installed Win98.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm talking about freedom and control over my own personal
machine.
> > I
> > > > > > can do almost anything I damn well please under 98, including
useful
> > > > > > tasks like creating a bootdisk (fuck you, WinME). Win98 almost
> > never
> > > > > > pops up and says "You cannot do this", and if it does, I can
bloody
> > > > well
> > > > > > get to DOS and do it anyway.
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, I suggest that you would wait and get Whistler when it's
out.
> > > > > Really cool OS, and none of the you-are-too-stupid-to-use-this
> > nonesense
> > > > > from ME.
> > > > > And, anyway, rumor says that Whistler personal will be only 50$ -
90$
> > > > > (For comparison, ME (and 2K upgrade) is $169.99 )
> > > >
> > > > Thanks but no thanks...Windows 2000 Professional is the end of the
line
> > > for
> > > > me. Whistler is totally unnecessary and .NET will NEVER pollute one
of
> > my
> > > > machines. It's about as transparent a money vacuum as DIVX was. We
will
> > > > neither utilize it nor develop for it - period. It is something to
be
> > > > viewed with disdain, not anticipation. Only the severely
short-sighted
> > > > would actually welcome such a system.
> > >
> > > Tom:
> > > "I used to drive one of them model-T auto-mo-biles and then drove me a
> > horse
> > > and that darned horse never had a flat tire or broke down on some old
dirt
> > > road - now they say there is some new fangled newer auto-mo-bile
coming
> > > out - ahhhhh - phewie. I already rode one of thme and anyone buying
one of
> > > those auto-mo-bile things is short-sighted, it'll never last. I'll
keep my
> > > trusty horse, you don't need to go no faster than 30 mph or ride more
than
> > > double up or nothing! damn whipper snappers, i prefer old horse pockey
> > > rather than those new advanced gadget things"
> > >
> > > Short-sighted? ahahaha, you are really funny. You talk like you
actually
> > > think linux will be anything more than what oS/2 is today or the amiga
os
> > or
> > > dr-dos or macOS or...
> >
> > If it isn't Linux or BSD it will be something else, I'm quite sure.
> > Your feeble attempts at humor do little to change the fact that only an
> > idiot wouldn't see the scenario played out.
>
> Well, we'll see who gets the last laugh, but pardon us if we don't
> grimmace a little. You see, the same things you guys say about Linux
> (it taking over Windows and such) are the same things we've heard
> from the aformentioned OSen. The same thing, really. DrDOS, MacOS,
> Amiga, OS/2, etc. They all claimed victory, and then faded away
> into the night.
>
> Fortunately, Linux will come with a little more dignified fate than
> the rest, but it will fade away into obscurity rather than the night.
> Support and development for it will fade when the next big thing comes
> out. Corporations will fight over the "rights" to Linux, extensive
> legal battles will ensure. Consumer confidence will be shattered and
> Linux will become yet another page in the history books.
>
> The "next big thing" seems to be a problem. A major project comes up,
> attracts a lot of developers, then something else comes up, some of
> the developers leave for that, then another project, some more leave
> for that. By the time it's all said and done, you don't have enough
> new developers joining the cause and all the existing developers are
> strapped so thin that nothing ever really gets accomplished. A bunch
> of half-developed beta-ware is all that sees the light of day. No
> one trusts it because it's so buggy and untested (due to lack of
> resources) that no one uses it.
>
> It's only a matter of time, really.
LOL
I'll see you when you return to Kansas...
We'll leave the lights on for you!
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?)
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 00:47:24 GMT
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> Fortunately, Linux will come with a little more dignified fate than
> the rest, but it will fade away into obscurity rather than the night.
> Support and development for it will fade when the next big thing comes
> out. Corporations will fight over the "rights" to Linux, extensive
> legal battles will ensure. Consumer confidence will be shattered and
> Linux will become yet another page in the history books.
>
> The "next big thing" seems to be a problem. A major project comes up,
> attracts a lot of developers, then something else comes up, some of
> the developers leave for that, then another project, some more leave
> for that. By the time it's all said and done, you don't have enough
> new developers joining the cause and all the existing developers are
> strapped so thin that nothing ever really gets accomplished. A bunch
> of half-developed beta-ware is all that sees the light of day. No
> one trusts it because it's so buggy and untested (due to lack of
> resources) that no one uses it.
>
> It's only a matter of time, really.
My gawd, I do believe he's talking about Microsoft!
--
This Windows OS is ghak! I need dual Pentium
processors to do battle with this code!!!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Wy Linux will/is failing on the desktop
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 00:49:29 -0000
On Wed, 7 Feb 2001 11:09:29 +1100, Interconnect <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Thats not bad 33% decided to continue using it.
Considering the level of vendorlock currently, that is
somewhat remarkable really. Also, 33% would certainly
be a nice chunk of the overall marketshare as well.
Remember, those of us outside of Lemming land can be
toleratant of the choices of others.
>
>Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:YCRf6.3858$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > Don't believe me?
>> >
>> > I suggest you try Linux for yourself and make your own mind up.
>>
>> While I only partially agree with some of what you've written, I think
>this
>> is something everyone (including Linux advocates) can agree on.
>>
>> Sadly, my own experience is that 2 out of every 3 people I have talked to
>> that tried Linux, gave up on it without getting it to work successfully.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
--
Common Standards, Common Ownership.
The alternative only leads to destructive anti-capitalist
and anti-democratic monopolies.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bloody Viking)
Subject: Re: Who was saying Crays don't run Linux?
Date: 8 Feb 2001 00:55:12 GMT
Aaron R. Kulkis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: That would require a HUGE chip....and, silicon crystal faults being what
: they are, probably make for a super-low yield....
Not necessarily. You could have the shitload of CPU chips ganged together for
the ridiculously paralleled data bus. A system like that could handle huge
integers in one CPU cycle. All the CPUs would execute the same instruction all
at once, acting like one big 64K*8 bit chip. One extra pin would be needed for
a carry and borrow feature per CPU to handle the giant integers.
The obvious application of a technology like this would of course be to crunch
numbers to find big primes, but like someone putting two numbers onto one
calculator with creative 0 use in between numbers, this 64K bus could add up a
shitload of numbers, say to add the interest payment to bank accounts in a
batch process. The obvious application for a 64K data bus would be for big
number crunching for scientific use. My bet is that this would work best for
64-bit CPUs like a DEC Alpha CPU but modified with carry/borrow pin and CISC
instead of RISC.
Memory and especially disk management would be a nightmare for the design
team.
--
FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is a fad?
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 01:03:57 GMT
"Nick Condon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>We've actually got a surplus right now...I willing to export electricity
> >>if you supply the extension cord required :)
> >
> >Heh...there's a thought. I don't know the prices of transatlantic
> >cable, though. :-)
>
> I knew Yanks were bad at geography, but that's appalling.
Perhaps taking the long way around is part of the plan...<g>
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: ERIK FUNKENBUSH CAN'T TELL US ***WHAT*** .NET IS
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 01:00:23 GMT
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Wed, 7 Feb 2001 13:19:38 -0600, "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> None of which indicates if Funkenbusch knows what the fuck .NET really is.
> >>
> >> I want *HIM* to explain it.
> >
> >What you want is irrelevant. I've said all i'm going to say. I'm not going
> >to write a book just because *YOU* want me to. The subject is way too
> >comprehensive for a simple usenet post.
> >
>
> In other words: he can't explain it either. There is no 'there'
> there.
He has discussed it intelligently on several occasions.
He refuses to tell you guys because your ignorant AND arrogant at the same
time. Demanding someone to teach you something doesn't get you very far
in life. There are thousands of web pages and articles dedicated to .NET,
even the most basic search would turn up tons of information.
-Chad
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From: "Adam Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sun vs. MS
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 01:24:12 GMT
Hi Patrick,
> I just thought this was funny....I liked his responses to MS, although I
> personally can't vouch for their accuracy.....
>
> http://www.sun.com/dot-com/realitycheck/headsup010205.html
That's a wonderful sets of responses. You can just feel the anger, contempt
and smugness oozing out of the answers. Yes there are a few chuckles in
there. Thanks for the link to Sun's "Reality Checks".
I have now noted a 1998 comment by Sun about Linux:
http://www.sun.com/dot-com/realitycheck/headsup981008.html
It is amazingly complementary.
Regards,
Adam
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sun vs. MS
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 20:28:24 -0500
Patrick McAllister wrote:
>
> I just thought this was funny....I liked his responses to MS, although I
> personally can't vouch for their accuracy.....
>
> http://www.sun.com/dot-com/realitycheck/headsup010205.html
I have a great respect/fear of Sun. I have a great disdain/hatred for
Microsoft. Both these companies are power hungry. I have a disdain for
Microsoft for what they have been able to do, I have a fear of Sun for what
they would do, if they were in Microsoft's place.
Never the less, the non-sense Microsoft spews must be countered with some
sarcasm.
--
http://www.mohawksoft.com
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is a fad?
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 01:29:19 GMT
Sorry, my mistake, I was getting confused between two different tape
technologies.
Matthew Gardiner
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> You're an idiot.
>
> First of all I didn't say that, you're misquoting.
> Second of all I am assuming the other person meant 8 Track Cartridges
> which were a fad in the 1970's that died.
>
> So it is actually YOU whose contribution is "0"
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, 03 Feb 2001 21:30:20 +1300, Gardiner Family
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>> hang on, 8 track is sometimes used by small recording studio's, so now his
>> (flatfish) contribution is 0
>>
>> Karel Jansens wrote:
>>
>>
>>> "--==<( Jeepster )>==--" wrote:
>>>
>>>> and TiVo, 8-track, betamax and videtext?
>>>>
>>>
>>> An incarnation of Betamax is still used as a professional recording
>>> system. Videotext became Teletext (or CeeFax) and is hugely popular,
>>> at least in Europe. I don't follow the TiVo developments, but isn't it
>>> a bit early to call it a dead duck, as you seem to imply with your
>>> ill-conceived list.
>>>
>>> And why isn't BOB in your list? It seems like the proverbial examople
>>> to me.
>>>
>>> But I guess you were right with 8-track. 1 out of 4 isn't actually
>>> that bad for an astroturfer.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Karel Jansens
>>
>
> Flatfish
> Why do they call it a flatfish?
> Remove the ++++ to reply.
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Wintrolls
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 01:31:27 GMT
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> For instance, with the FreeBSD kernel, there are internal options for each
> processor that's supported. By removing options for the 386 and others, you
> increase the efficiency of the kernel.
So how is that in any way different from the Linux kernel?
jjs
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MS executives at LinuxWorld Expo
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 20:35:09 -0500
Pete Goodwin wrote:
>
> R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
> <95i0sr$p64$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> >Microsoft's assertion that Linux is not a technical thread is
> >actually absurd. Eventually, Linux will reach the mainstream
> >and executive desktops. When it does, Microsoft will be unable
> >to pretend that it has originated technology that was forged in
> >the cauldron of Open Source.
>
> They've had a long time to get there... and they haven't quite made it yet.
> Instead they (KDE) appear to be copying Windows. What innovation Linux?
I forget the quote, it was an admonishment of Apple suing Microsoft for copying
the GUI, "Be generous with what you steal."
KDE may share some concepts with Windows, but NO GUI environment stands alone.
--
http://www.mohawksoft.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: Sun vs. MS
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 00:58:06 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>Patrick McAllister wrote:
>>
>> I just thought this was funny....I liked his responses to MS, although I
>> personally can't vouch for their accuracy.....
>>
>> http://www.sun.com/dot-com/realitycheck/headsup010205.html
>
>As someone with the necessary background (both theoritical and practical),
>I find Sun's answer to be both factual AND highly amusing.
>:-)
>
>--
>Aaron R. Kulkis
>Unix Systems Engineer
>DNRC Minister of all I survey
>ICQ # 3056642
>
I find it absolutely incredible that Microsoft representatives would
make the assertions they have against the company who brought Java
into existance in the firstplace.
Doubly so when you consider Microsoft has never had a sucessful Java
replacement to this day.
--
Charlie
**DEBIAN** **GNU**
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: Aaron R Kulkis
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 01:22:54 GMT
In article <95shh6$o6t$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Joseph T. Adams wrote:
>Bruce Scott TOK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>: In article <95qcva$9bm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Joseph T. Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>:>Whatever their other failings might be, none of these folks are
>:>idiots.
>:>
>:>Flatfish/Claire/Steve/Spooge/whatever is a satirist. Annoying at
>:>times, but some of what he/she says is hysterically funny.
>:>
>:>Chad has tunnel vision. He seems to be a decent person except for his
>:>blind devotion to Mafia$oft and hatred of everything else. But this
>:>blindness makes most of what he says on this forum pretty much
>:>counterproductive, even to his own side.
>:>
>:>Pete is a fairly typical Windows power user who's tried to learn and
>:>use Linux, but gets frustrated at times.
>
>: What about Mr Funkenbusch? To me he seems the typical "IT professional"
>: taught by very ingrown hierarchies who appears to know it all to
>: ignorant outsiders (eg, management) but is all the same rather
>: completely amiss. People like this IMHO do the most damage in any PR
>: contest. All the sick tricks are there, and sadly, they work all too
>: often.
>
>
>I think you've got him pegged.
>
>Funkenbusch knows the M$ world as well as anyone can without ever
>having been outside of it. But he is absolutely clueless, as far as I
>can tell, about anything else.
>
>
>Joe
Well, he obviously doesn't know what .net is.
--
Charlie
**DEBIAN** **GNU**
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: The Wintrolls
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 01:39:24 GMT
In article <V39g6.6651$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
If you cut away the other peoples statements and just leave EF's,
what do you have?
>
>I don't have to put words in anyones mouths. Charlie Ebert and others state
>quite matter of factly that Linux NEVER crashes, and have said so numerous
>times.
>
This is correct. I've never crashed Linux.
Linux can only die if you have hardware failure, I've had none,
power failure, I've had some, or the user just halt's the OS.
Other than that, Linux don't crash.
>Linux has to install to the lowest common denominator CPU, the 386. That
>means the kernel is optimized for that. Some distro's will perhaps install
>a 586 or 686 optimized kernel later in the install process, but it will
>still be a generic one.
>
Nothing to disagree with here.
But it's a meaningless comment as we see below.
>
>Mandrade 7.2 is still RPM 3 based.
>
>
Until the next release I think.
>With far fewer packages available for them.
>
>
>I posted about it quite often a few months ago.
>
>
>Really? Then explain this:
>http://www.coastnet.com/~pramsey/linux/homenet.html
>
>Pay close attention to section 3.1 and the "Two Identical Network Cards"
>section.
>
>
>"Most folks" don't even know hdparm exists. It took me 3 months to figure
>out that DMA wasn't on, and then many hours to figure out the settings for
>it.
>
So he indicates in this last sentence it took him 3 months to figure
out that his DMA wasn't turned on, then 'many' hours to figure out
the settings for it.
Fair enough. Then he's compiled a kernel to fix it as compiling a kernel
is the only way to turn the DMA on.
You can also set the compiler settings for the kernel by selecting 386, 486,
Pentium, Pentium Pro, Pentium II, Pentium III and so on...
It doesn't take 'many' hours to flip one switch and re-compile the kernel.
A Pentium 120 can do the job in less than 30 minutes.
--
Charlie
**DEBIAN** **GNU**
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Wy Linux will/is failing on the desktop
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 01:43:49 GMT
MH wrote:
> "J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Interesting - I wonder if microsoft is getting desperate,
> > sending in the reserves here... the quality of the trolls
> > has been plummeting lately.
>
> Question:
> What would the Linus Fan boys do without these so called 'trolls'
> Swap shell scripts? Talk about forks vs. Threads?
> That's all fine and good, but funny, I don't see any of that in here.
> All I ever see is "MS this, and MS that".
> Linux Advocacy at its finest.
> Without your 'trolls' your religion would have no traction.
> Get used to it.
Count on it, another troll pops up -
The predictable, canned insults are true to stereotype,
and they are more tired than ever - and now they're telling
us that the trolls who crap all over the newsgroup are some
sort of great benefactors...
Yes, without the wintrolls we could have some nice
discussions about TCO, about strategies for windows
to Unix migration, the fine points of Linux vs FreeBSD
vs Solaris, success stories, strategies for dealing with
PHBs, LUG meeting announcements, and all sorts of
other useful odds and ends. But, as it is, we suffer the
endless yapping of wintrolls instead.
sheesh.
jjs
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