Linux-Advocacy Digest #43, Volume #34 Sun, 29 Apr 01 18:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("Daniel Johnson")
Re: there's always a bigger fool ("Edward Rosten")
Re: The upgrade (Tim Hanson)
Re: IE ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Pete Goodwin is in good company ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("Daniel Johnson")
Re: Communism (Fulcanelli)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("Edwin")
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("Daniel Johnson")
Re: The upgrade ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("Edwin")
Re: Linux is paralyzed before it even starts (GreyCloud)
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software ("JD")
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("Edwin")
Re: Microsoft hit new security 'level' :-) ("Erik Funkenbusch")
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From: "Daniel Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 21:45:55 GMT
"Bob Hauck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 21:32:08 GMT, Daniel Johnson
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]
> > I don't think so. It's not impossible, but I suspect
> > it would still have been Microsoft.
>
> Why am I not surprised?
>
> [snip MS overcoming DR by superior engineering]
>
> > It's all hypothetical, but that's how I see it.
>
> You continue to believe that it was Microsoft's engineering prowess
> that got them where they are today. I continue to believe that because
> of the IBM deal and exclusive contracts with OEM's, all they needed
> from engineering the ability to make products that didn't suck too
> much.
Well, while I do give some credit to MS's engineering prowess,
what you snipped did not say so.
It credited MS's *legal* maneuvers- and their access to early
Macintosh development information.
Neither of these things is really engineering prowess
per se.
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: there's always a bigger fool
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:46:47 +0100
>> > I thought that Intel Processors already had 7 levels of operations
>> > (win and Linux only use a few) ?
>>
>> I believe you're refering to the rings (levels of trust, esentially
>> with ring0 being all powerful)
>>
>> I was refering to the habit they have of piling on features and
>> features without the redesigning. Surely the A20 gate could be emulated
>> in software for those who *really* need it?
>
> Eeeeek (Out Of Depth Alert). If I knew what an A20 gate _was_, then I am
> sure that I too would have equal concerns about it :)
An unbelievably arcane feature.
Once upon a time, the 8086 had 20 address lines (A0-A19) allowing it to
access up to 1MB of memory.
Then along came the 286 which had 24 address lines.
The 286 which offered amongst other things 8086 compaitbility
mode, 286 mode, 8086 virtual machine mode and an 8086 enhanced mode.
The 8086 enhcnced mode is rather curious. It allows the 286 running in
8086 mode to access the 21st address line A20. However due to a curious
segmentation feature (the deatails escape me) it does not double the
address space, but merely adds on an extra segment (64K in size, I
believe). This feature working on A20 is called the A20 gate.
-Ed
--
You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.
u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k
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Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 14:46:41 -0700
From: Tim Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: The upgrade
Edward Rosten wrote:
>
> > I upgraded my 400MHz Pentium PII to a VIA system with an AMD Duron
> > 850MHz.
> >
> > Windows 98 SE reinstalled everything and had to reboot a few times to
> > complete the change over. It also sometimes crashes on shutdown.
> >
> > Linux SuSE 7.1 just... worked. Hey!
>
> Well good to hear you've had some success. IIRC, Suse used lpr instead of
> CUPS, so you might find your printers working better as well :-)
>
> -Ed
>
> --
> You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.
>
> u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k
SuSE 7.1 defaults to cups, but lpr and LPRng are there also. I'm
staying with the original myself.
--
U: There's a U -- a Unicorn!
Run right up and rub its horn.
Look at all those points you're losing!
UMBER HULKS are so confusing.
-- The Roguelet's ABC
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: IE
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:50:08 +0100
>> True. Unfortunately, most corporate web buildes tend to misatke good
>> design for fancy design.
>
> Yup. One of the main reasons that new web technologies usually get a bad
> name.
True, there is nothing wrong with Javascript, per se, but I have ended up
hating it more than once.
> Basically it should work as follows:
>
> HTML outlines a generic presentation of information in simple constructs
> such as paragraphs, blockquotes, tables and images. Other than being
> presented in the correct order and construct this is where HMTL should
> stop.
>
> Anything which signifies the designer trying to stamp their mark on the
> way the constructs are presented should be up to CSS.
It also leaves open the rather neat option of the user choosing their own
style sheet. It's kind of liek buying a book and choosing how it's
typeset if you want.
> Unfortunately it didn't happen that way.
>
> Maybe we need to ditch HTML altogether and put together a new
> standardised sub-set of XML specifically designed as HMTL should have
> been...
I suppose the subset would have to explicitly remove everything that
should exist in style sheets and forbid the addition of extensions.
-ed
--
You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.
u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Pete Goodwin is in good company
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:51:05 +0100
>> Well, from out of this window, the world looks pretty flat (hell it
>> fooled manking for thousands upon thousands of years), but does that
>> make it flat?
>
> OK, for you, the world is flat.
No, for you it is flat. You have not got an overview of how the printer
system works and as a result, from your limited information, you draw
incorrect conclusions.
-Ed
--
You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.
u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k
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From: "Daniel Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 21:52:48 GMT
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said Daniel Johnson in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Fri, 27 Apr 2001
> [...]
> >I see no evidence that the early differences between
> >GEM and Windows had anything to do with who owned
> >DOS. I admit that the transition to Windows 95 did
> >depend upon this- but had CP/M been king, Windows 95
> >would effectivaly have meant migrating everyone to
> >*Microsoft's* CP/M clone in the process.
> [...]
> >It's all hypothetical, but that's how I see it.
>
> I think you are mistaken in ignoring the impact of Microsoft
> force-bundling Windows with DOS, the very behavior that MS signed a
> consent decree to avoid ending up in court.
Did they get one about that?
Anyway, I didn't ignore it: I observed that it would have
been possible even if CP/M had won out. It would have
been a little more awkward, but the basic strategy of
promoting Windows into a 'full' operating system would
still have worked.
They'd have needed their own CP/M clone or something
more elabroate- but that's clearly not a big problem.
I didn't *call* it "forced bundling", becuase it takes
quite a troll to think that merging DOS and Windows
is An Evil Absuse of the Monopoly. :D
> Later, they paid Caldera an
> undisclosed amount (I speculate it could be up to two billion dollars)
> to avoid further investigation into Microsoft's actions to kill off
> DR-DOS.
Pretty wild speculation you've got there.
> Perhaps with studious ignorance of Microsoft's monopolistic
> behavior, your hypothesis might make sense. In the real world, it is
> obvious that the only reason Windows even exists today is because MS had
> a monopoly in DOS.
I observe that these claims are often made, but rarely
supported. It's easy to yell "monopoly", but it does
not really address the issue.
Had DOS lost out to CP/M, their strategy would have
worked. It was founded on their Macintosh application
business, not DOS. If anything, DOS was an impediment-
its limitations crippled early versions of Windows to
the point of uselessness.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Fulcanelli)
Crossposted-To:
alt.society.liberalism,misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 21:49:15 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (silverback) wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Apr 2001 15:15:17 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Fulcanelli wrote:
> >>
> >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>
> >> > Walter Daniels wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > > The Japanese Government(?) and Japanese business, are so intertwined
> >> > > taht there isd effectively no difference. This due in large part, to
> >> > > their decision after WWII, to "co-ordinate" business policies. There
> >> > > is a ministry, whose name escapes me, that literally controls research
> >> > > and development. No R&D is done, without their permission. IIRC, it
> >> > > also determines what can be imprted/exported.
> >> >
> >> > Which, of course, means you have a state capitalist system, similar in
> >> > ways to authoritarian state capitalist systems in other Asian
states, like
> >> > Korea and Taiwan, though each have moved towards democracy, and Japan is
> >> > democratic.
> >> >
> >> > None of that suggests Japan is fascist. Anyone who makes that claim is
> >> > ignorant about what fascism is, and engaged in hyperbolic rhetoric that
> >> > creates more heat than light.
> >>
> >> Good point. Fascism has always, by it's nature, been anti-democratic and
> >> to equate a democratic nation with Fascism is silly. Now some people
> >> might argue that the democracy is an illusion, like some Socialists, but
> >> they'd never do something like claim that a democratic nation is Fascist.
> >> Another thing Daniels doesn't know is that, in Fascism, the state
> >> *assists* big business in maintaining and increasing production, as
> >> opposed to acting as a burden. This would make the Bush administration
> >> more like Fascism than Japan easily.
> >
> >Clue for the Clueless...most of the "corporate welfare", as Robert Reich
> >so succinctly put it...was instituted by Democrats.
> >
No clues here; Just pure silliness.
> >Republicans (and especially libertarians) advocate that the government
> >neither hinder NOR ASSIST businesses.
>
This is Libertarianism, is it not? While some people advocate this, the
problem is : What happens to curb the power of business over the working
class, as well as the jobless. Of course, the answers given to this are
never sufficient.
>
> wrong again fuckhead its the republiCONs that are ass deep in doling
> out corporate welfare.
>
> >
> >Hope that helps.
> >
> >
> >>
> >> --
> >> To email me, remove "NOSPAM" from my address.
> >
> >
> >--
> >Aaron R. Kulkis
> >Unix Systems Engineer
> >DNRC Minister of all I survey
> >ICQ # 3056642
> >
> >L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
> > can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >K: Truth in advertising:
> > Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
> > Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
> > Special Interest Sierra Club,
> > Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> > Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> > The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> > Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
> >
> >
> >J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> > The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> > also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
> >
> >I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> > challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> > between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> > Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
> >
> >H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> > premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> > you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> > you are lazy, stupid people"
> >
> >G: Knackos...you're a retard.
> >
> >
> >F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> > adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
> >
> >E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> > her behavior improves.
> >
> >D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> > ...despite (C) above.
> >
> >C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
> >
> >B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> > method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> > direction that she doesn't like.
> >
> >A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
>
> ***********************************************
>
> GDY Weasel
> emailers remove the spam buster
>
> For those seeking enlightenment visit the White Rose at
>
> http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/whiterose.htm
>
> *********************************************
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From: "Edwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 17:00:41 -0500
"Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Edwin wrote:
> >
> > "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:9bolc7$a8u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > The problem is not that Windows or Office are bad software. They
aren't.
> > > > Windows and Office are both fabulous.
> > >
> > > Hahahahah!
> > >
> > > Windows and office are _appauling_ products!
> > >
> > Of course. That's why so many people buy them, because they want to be
> > appalled.
> > >
> > > -Ed
>
> You really are that stupid, arent you?
Why don't you stop wasting oxygen on yourself, Rick?
Edwin
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From: "Daniel Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 21:57:51 GMT
"Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Daniel Johnson wrote:
> > "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Daniel Johnson wrote:
[snip]
> > > > > MS_DOS was low cost and the others were artificially high.
> > > >
> > > > Presumably their makers throught they were worth it.
> > >
> > > No, the costs of other OS's were artificially high.
> >
> > Out of morbid curiousity: What the heck does "artificially high"
> > mean here?
>
> It means CP/M was sold ata higher price on the PC so that people would
> by M$-DOS instead.
I can't imagine why either Digital Research *or* IBM would
care to produce that outcome. Care to enlighten me?
[snip]
> > They could still *do* it.
>
> ... and they would have to pay for the MS-DOS license AND the other OS
> license.
No, they could only pay for DOS when they shipped it.
But they would paid *more* per copy of DOS had they
done this.
> > But given that their customers wanted Windows,
> > it would have made no sense to pay more.
>
> This was started before Windows and continued throught he early releases
> of Windows. They were contrived to make it more expensive to ship
> anything except M$ OS's
Sure. It's not like volume pricing is anything unusual.
[snip]
> Yes, they are good at _hacking together_ software. They have been doing
> it for decades. And since MS-DOS (QDOS) was a clone of CP/M , IM sure M$
> engineers could have built Windows on top of another OS... but that
> would hurt M$'s OS position.
I don't see how it would have hurt MS's OS position.
> > They made OLE run on MacOS. That should tell
> > you what they were capable of.
>
> I already know what they are capable of.
:D
> > Putting Windows on CP/M instead of MS-DOS
> > would have been no problem.
>
> Excecept that it would allow the erosion of M$'s OS base, which they
> have protected at ALL costs.
If CP/M had won, MS would not have had an OS base
to erode; Windows could have wont hem such a base.
It would have been a good idea. A second chance to
beat CP/M.
[snip]
> > MS would sell you Windows even if you didn't put out
> > so many copies as they wanted. But they charged more for
> > that.
>
> DUH. which meant the vendors had to pass that cost along... and that
> meant raising prices higher than the competition's.
Naturally, they didn't do that. Not if the customers wanted
Windows- which they did.
[snip]
> > > I think you should re-examine your history.
> >
> > I don't think I should. I think you are getting cause and effect
> > mixed up, and exageratting a few details to boot.
>
> Read.
> Barbarians Led by Bill Gates.
> The Microsoft File, the Secret Case Against Bill Gates.
I've always wondered how a openly published book
could contain a "secret" case against anyone. :D
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The upgrade
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 17:01:59 -0500
Sadly, the VIA drivers are quite crappy. They're very sensitive to DMA
issue, especially when mixing different drives with different DMA support.
When they work, they work well. When they don't, they're a nightmare.
Thank god VIA isn't writing the drivers for Linux.
"Pete Goodwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:AaZG6.9827$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I upgraded my 400MHz Pentium PII to a VIA system with an AMD Duron 850MHz.
>
> Windows 98 SE reinstalled everything and had to reboot a few times to
> complete the change over. It also sometimes crashes on shutdown.
>
> Linux SuSE 7.1 just... worked. Hey!
>
> --
> Pete
>
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From: "Edwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 17:06:01 -0500
"Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Edwin wrote:
> >
> > "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:9bolc7$a8u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > The problem is not that Windows or Office are bad software. They
aren't.
> > > > Windows and Office are both fabulous.
> > >
> > > Hahahahah!
> > >
> > > Windows and office are _appauling_ products!
> > >
> > Of course. That's why so many people buy them, because they want to be
> > appalled.
> > >
> Thats why so many people use drugs. Even though they might die because
> of aids or OD, they still take them. Apply that logic to Microsoft
> products + the fact that most users are complete and utter morons, then
> you have the answer.
>
> Matthew Gardiner
The only answer I see up there is the for the question "why do Mac advocates
have the reputation of being arrogant jerks?" Windows and Microsoft
products are in no way analogous to drugs. People use them because they do
the job, and do it well, for a price they're willing to pay. No amount of
your insults or ego is going to change that.
Edwin
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is paralyzed before it even starts
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 15:02:02 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
<snip>
Trolling Trolling Trolling, keep them doggies rolling, rawhide!
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From: "JD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 17:10:16 -0500
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:YW%G6.5139$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >>
> > >> I don't play troll games, Les, because I'm not a prick.
> > >
> > >Then what do you call your months of content-free postings touting
> > >a bizarre opinion with no facts to support it?
> >
> > Participating in discussion, despite the fact that my opponents are
> > hardly worthy of the effort, given their spewing of meaningless rhetoric
> > in leu of analytic argument.
>
> You have provided nothing to analyze and ignored any mention of
> facts by anyone else. All you have done is promote someone else's
> flawed and self-serving opinions.
>
Les -- you are too impressive a person, know *really* does know alot about
software, the industry, and the legalities to waste your time with tmax. Even
during my own rants, I totally ignore him... If you and Roberto, etc are getting
your jollies, that is cool, but don't let it waste any of your own emotional
resources. tmax just isn't worth it, and it is fairly clear that his job is to
obscure argument, only to make sure that the proof of the GPL not being
free is forgotten about, and other FACTS that you are clearly proving and
stating.
John
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From: "Edwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 17:07:38 -0500
"B.B." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <9bqd0j$ailo1$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Edwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> @"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> @news:9bolc7$a8u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> @> > The problem is not that Windows or Office are bad software. They
aren't.
> @> > Windows and Office are both fabulous.
> @>
> @> Hahahahah!
> @>
> @> Windows and office are _appauling_ products!
> @>
> @Of course. That's why so many people buy them, because they want to be
> @appalled.
>
> Lots of people rent "Faces of Death" for the same reason. Could be
> Mr. Paperclip-related, but I don't know.
I've never rented that, and I've never even been tempted to rent it either.
You'd have to be really sick to watch something like that for entertainment.
Edwin
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft hit new security 'level' :-)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 17:07:52 -0500
"GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> >
> > "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:9cbcsl$adm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > >> Now it says 'security fix files' have been infected with a
virus.
> > How
> > > > > >> does this not substantiate my subject? What's an admin supposed
to
> > do?
> > > > As
> > > > > >> soon as they hear about a patch for a security bug they should
> > download
> > > > > >> and install. Next thing they know their systems are infected.
It is
> > > > hard
> > > > > >> enough keeping up with Microsoft security patches (over 2
security
> > bugs
> > > > > >> per week in 2000 for Microsoft software - a record) without
having
> > to
> > > > > >> check if they are infected as well.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How is 2 bugs a week a record? I see dozens of patches a week
to
> > Linux.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you find keeping up with MS patches difficult, you must be
> > literally
> > > > > > livid about keeping up with Linux patches.
> > > > >
> > > > > Have you ever used UNIX before, because most people will know is
that
> > as
> > > > > soon as a fix becomes available, the company/distro posts it,
compared
> > to
> > > > > Microsoft where you have to wait 3 months for a service pack that
is
> > not
> > > > > guaranteed to fix the problems you are facing. I would rather
more
> > > > > patches, than waiting in limbo for two months hoping that my
server
> > > > doesn't
> > > > > crash because I was waiting for the next service pack to be
released.
> > > >
> > > > What does that have to do with "keeping up" with the number of
fixes?
> > > >
> > > > In any event, MS releases "hot fixes". There are quite a few of
them,
> > and
> > > > they come out between service packs.
> > >
> > > If one goes to MS site... do you get routed to these hot fixes???
> >
> > Why should everyone be routed to hot fixes just for going to the
microsoft
> > site?
> >
> > If you mean, can you easily find them in a single place? Yes.
> > http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/
> >
> > Just click Downloads.
>
> In actuality, my IBM for the windows side has an embedded link for
> hardware driver downloads and another one to MS for O/S download issues.
> On the Solaris side of my IBM, Sun has embedded into Netscape a link to
> their site for O/S download issues. All I have to do is click on these
> as well. These also include minor issues as well, which makes me happy
> to at least look and see if I really need it.
And MS has the Windows Update icon you can click.
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