Linux-Advocacy Digest #132, Volume #32 Sun, 11 Feb 01 21:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Interesting article (Giuliano Colla)
Re: Laptop and linux. Which one??? ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Answer this if you can... ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Linux and the 21st Century Boom - Re: Wy Linux will/is failing on the desktop
("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Answer this if you can... ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Answer this if you can... ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Linux fails to deliver on the hype ("Matthew Gardiner")
Re: Interesting article (Giuliano Colla)
Re: How does this look? ("Mart van de Wege")
Re: Linux Threat: non-existant ("Bill Shine")
Re: Linux Threat: non-existant (Ray Chason)
Re: Linux Threat: non-existant ("Bill Shine")
Re: The Wintrolls (Bloody Viking)
Re: Laptop and linux. Which one??? (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Laptop and linux. Which one??? ("Bill Shine")
Re: Linux fails to deliver on the hype (Charlie Ebert)
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From: Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Interesting article
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 01:09:53 GMT
Mike Byrns wrote:
>
> "Giuliano Colla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Chad Myers wrote:
> > >
> > > Give me a break. You can't honestly sit there and tell me they're
> > > just "calling it as they see it". It's not professional at all,
> > > let alone tasteful. It's like a bunch of high-school adolescents wrote
> > > the documentation. Not unlike the code, though. I guess it all makes
> > > sense.
> >
> > If you mean the code they're commenting, you're right. Adolescent style
> > code deserves adolescent-style irony. You can't discuss Microsoft
> > implementation as if it were a professional thing. It isn't.
>
> First, we can discuss Microsoft implementations any way we se fit -- you and
> the rest of the Linux loonies have no say in what we do at all.
Well, calling Linux users "Linux loonies" is professional? You're
starting with the wrong feet, I'm afraid.
Losing your temper means that you've been hit in a sore point.
However my commentary wasn't on what you're permitted or not to do. It
was on what common sense suggests.
You may go on discussing Microsoft implementation as if it were
professional as long as you like, but you'll make a fool of yourself.
> Commenting
> code with "adolescent ironies" is decidedly poor coding practice -- perhaps
> they could have diverted those energies towards documenting their code
> rather than commenting on completely unrelated code that they've never even
> seen before.
When you're dealing with interoperability problems, and IP packets sent
across a network are intended to be received, retransmitted, filtered,
and used by anybody else, you MUST deal with unrelated code. That's the
professional way to face networking. If you fail to do so, and MS
usually fails to do so, you are failing in your design.
> Microsoft's implementations are by definition
> "professional" -- that's what they do for a living. Linux implementations
> are by definition "amateur" as they are done as a pastime rather than as a
> profession.
Airplanes are by definition flying machines. They're intended to fly. An
airplane model which crashes frequently is usually grounded until the
reason is discovered and fixed. Being a flying machine "by definition"
doesn't imply that it doesn't crash. Until it's fixed it doesn't deserve
the "flying machine" attribute.
A guy who comes and repairs your bath tub may get paid as a
professional, but if the bath tub starts leaking as soon as he's left,
you won't call him a "professional plumber". And if the boy next door,
you call for help, tells you "That brain-damaged plumber of yours didn't
grease where needed" and fixes the problem, what shall you do? Discuss
about the "adolescent irony" or about the "unprofessional plumber"?
Microsoft implementations are done according professional rules as far
as programmer salaries go, but not as far as good programming practices
go, therefore they do not deserve the "professional" appellation.
But, as you don't have arguments to prove the contrary, you stick to the
"lack of style".
> There are maybe a hundred or so folks that actually get paid to
> code linux (the kernel) and all the varied programs included in all the
> distros combined. Hell, Torvalds doesn't even get paid to do the kernel --
> he gets paid to write microcode for the Transmeta chips and to write the
> currently CLOSED SOURCE Mobile Linux.
>
Torvalds being paid or not, being open or closed source or not doesn't
make less unprofessional and crappy the Microsoft implementation of the
TOS bits in the IP packets. Which, don't forget, was the point. Either
you may prove that Microsoft Implementation is good, that violating a
standard produces a clear improvement on network performance, or you're
just raising smoke to hide Microsoft incompetence.
[snip]
> >
> > Well if you're so proud of MSDN superb documentation, can you point me
> > where it is clearly specified that a scrolling window
> > will fill up until all available memory has been used and then freeze
> > the system (making even the Task Manager unavailable) if you attempt to
> > scroll it?
>
> Scrolling window? Using those terms precisely would yeild a window with a
> scrollbar (perhaps two!) and no innate ability to have any content other
> than what can be drawn on it's device context. It's up to your
> implementation to draw the particular segment of your content as appropriate
> for the position of the scrollbar thumb and window size. If you could
> "until all available memory has been used" then you are doing two things
> wrong -- you've turned off virtual memory and your implementation caches
> everything in memory regardless of it's size instead of implementing a spool
> or diff file or using memory mapped files. Perhaps a call to
> GlobalMemoryStatusEx could be used to determine the right amount of cache
> :-) You also didn't specify what OS this is either, nor what allocation
> mechanism your implementation is using -- new/delete, malloc/free or the
> heap functions. In fact you've said nothing to make anyone who has done any
> serious Windows programming believe a word you've said let alone be able to
> blame the OS for your ineptitude.
Good attempt to intimidate me, but you failed once more, and quite
badly. The ineptitude you're speaking of is that of an MS application.
Just a situation where I was called for an auditing about a multimillion
project which was failing because of the crappiness of Microsoft
Software. Five Windows PC in the less critical part of a system, were
the cause. The OS involved was NT, service pack 4. As you appear to be
interested, I'll collect the data and give you all the details. The
story is a couple of years old, service pack 5 had just appeared when
the auditing was completed, so you may place it in the right time frame.
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Laptop and linux. Which one???
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 01:10:15 +0000
> I'll bet everyone of the machines ran Windows flawlessly, all features
Nah. They can't because windows won't run flawlessly, which is why it
will be dead in a few years.
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Answer this if you can...
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 01:13:29 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Pete Goodwin"
<imekon@$$$remove$$$.freeuk.com> wrote:
> "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in <966t1g$rvi$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>>According to the troll FAQ, several trolls banding together can turn an
>>average troll in to a great troll. That was a crap troll, so I wouldn't
>>bother if I were you.
>
> There's a FAQ about Troll's? Gosh!
>
> One troll + another troll = one big fat hairy troll?
yep:
http://www.altairiv.demon.co.uk/troll/trollfaq.html
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Linux and the 21st Century Boom - Re: Wy Linux will/is failing on the
desktop
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 19:22:30 -0600
"Bob Hauck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Sat, 10 Feb 2001 18:45:05 -0600, Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> >> Erik, why do you think they settled out of court in the Caldera
> >> DRDOS suit ?
> >
> > Because Caldera settled for less than 1% of their suit? Hell, it was a
> > great deal for MS.
>
> Three seconds searching on google finds that you are mistaken:
> <http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2420035,00.html>
>
> MS took a $155 million charge against earnings for the settlement. This
> would imply that Caldera had sued for some $15.5 billion. Nope, they
> were suing for about $1 billion. So they settled for about 16%. Not too
> bad, really, and a far cry from your claim. They wouldn't have got a
> billion at trial, that was just the maximum they could plausibly claim.
I stand corrected, It was 10%, not 1%. (the article states "more than 1
billion" and clearly some of that $155 million charge was for legal costs
and such.
> If you recall, there was also widespread speculation about undisclosed
> terms of the agreement that were worth another $100 million (the whole
> agreement is confidential and we only know about the $155 million
> because of SEC reporting requirements). So, if that is true, they
> settled for about 25% of what they were asking. Which would be quite
> good actually.
It's all speculation. The $155 million is speculation, but it at least has
some facts behind it. The $100 million additional is speculation without
fact, and is thus not even close to being useable.
Whatever the case, if Caldera truly believed they could win, they wouldn't
have settled for such a paltry sum. Caldera bought DR-DOS for the sole
purpose of sueing MS and getting rich off it. I doubt $155 million even
covers all their legal fees, the cost of buying DR-DOS, and maintaining it
for all these years.
> > Prolonged legal fees would have been much more than what
> > they paid.
>
> Really? Must be some pricey lawyers to cost $155 million. Perhaps they
> could have used those against the DOJ.
MS has hundreds of lawyers working on these cases.
> > I think Caldera just wanted to get their money back that they
> > put into the lawsuit.
>
> Must be more really expensive lawyers. But it seems more likely that
> the settlement looked to be at least as good as what the court would
> have awarded.
If they had won, they would have gotten quite a bit more, PLUS their legal
fees.
> > No, it was because they had dozens of lawsuits going at the same time
> > and wanted to be done with it, and had the opportunity to do so
> > cheaply. It's the same reason Sun settled for a paltry 20 million.
>
> And MS agreeing not to use the "Java" brand.
Something they hadn't been doing for the last 3 years.
MS was already prevented from using it, such a settlement didn't add
anything new.
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Answer this if you can...
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 01:16:44 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Pete Goodwin"
<imekon@$$$remove$$$.freeuk.com> wrote:
> "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in <966shc$rvi$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>>http://www.altairiv.demon.co.uk/troll/trollfaq.html
>
> 8)
>
> What fascinating reading. I, of course, am not a troll, and I do not
> follow any of the rules/ideas in this document.
>
>>Why is every torll in a high up postiton?
>
> They're being elevated to their level of incompetence? If I were truly a
> troll, wouldn't I be a MD/CEO by now?
Not only that, but you'd have fired any of the staff in your company
(FTSE 100, naturally) who even dared to think about Linux.
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Answer this if you can...
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 01:18:39 +0000
> CTRL-C CTRL-V do work in certain apps. However, the middle button copy-
> paste is the X standard, and it works.
Oh!
I thought he was talking about the literal character sequence (used in VI
and BASH to enter literals like ^[). I haven't used windows for quite a
while, you see.
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux fails to deliver on the hype
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 01:20:39 GMT
I've been following this so-called Linux hype, and the companies who are
actually backing it are hoping to use it as a replacement for NT on Medium
and Low End Servers and once it has matured, on High-End Servers. There
have only been one or two mainstream hardware vendors actually trying to
push it into the desktop arena, which, will not happen until serious GUI
problems are fixed, such as the poor intergration between the GUI, kernel
and hardware, which, will hopefully be addressed by the end of this year.
Currently the big push now is towards the server area, once Linux has
properly established itself in the server arena, then the attention will be
focused on the desktop front.
As for the artical, SuSE, has a greater following in Europe (esp. in the
non-english speaking countries), where as Redhat is most dominant in North
America. SuSE is scaling back their operations to focus on there key areas
(the areas they have the most success in). Personally, I prefer SuSE Linux,
however, some people prefer Mandrake or Redhat, hence, you as a consumer
have choice. I have lived in America before, and the one thing I did
notice, was that alot of consumers are xenaphobic, un-willing to purchase
products from overseas, because of some "phobia", where as, "overseas"
people are quiet happy purchasing items made overseas. Just as a side note,
it was one hell of a difficult thing trying to get some decent cheese, bread
and milk, luckly I was able to get it (from a "speciality shop").
Matthew gardiner
"Pete Goodwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:95un7e$40a$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/16736.html
>
> Staffs cuts in the USA and CEO recosidering business model.
>
> --
> ---
> Pete
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/
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From: Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Interesting article
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 01:22:00 GMT
Chad Myers wrote:
>
[snip]
>
> You shouldn't even bother responding to that claim. It was extremely
> ignorant.
>
Chad, I'm feeling really sorry for you. You're dumb as a brick, ignorant
as an ass, and you don't even have learned good manners! What a shame!
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From: "Mart van de Wege" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How does this look?
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 02:22:37 +0100
In article <966j4d$9od$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Tim"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am planning on building a Linux machine using the Redhat 7
> distribution. How does this hardware look? Do you think I will
> have any problems? I.E. with installation or most importantly
> stability?
>
> Redhat Linux 7.0 Abit VP6
> 2 x PIII 700E (I am not overclocking this, so would 700EBs be
> better?)
> 128MB PC133 RAM
> IBM Deskstar 75GXP 30GB HD ELSA GeForce II MX 32MB AGP
> Soundblaster 128 PCI Toshiba 48x IDE CDRom Linksys NIC
>
> Thanks, Tim
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Tim,
Are you planning to play games with it? You'll need the nVidia
DRI/OpenGL drivers for that (I believe they are included with
RH7), but they have a bad reputation for stability. I have
older TNT hardware on my machine, and I still thank God that I
am not a game player, because my one foray in the nVidia drivers
was a hell of X lockups (and believe me, you *don't* want X to
lock up). Anyways, check the version number on the drivers, the
latest are supposed to be 0.95, you can download them from
www.nvidia.com if necessary. If you don't need maximum 3d
acceleration, I'd suggest looking into a Matrox card, they seem
to deliver a very high image quality at the expense of 3d speed
(my employer uses them, and they are definitely very restful on
the eye).
For the rest this looks like a very nice workstation
configuration, good luck with it!
Mart
--
Happily running Debian, posting with Pan
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From: "Bill Shine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux Threat: non-existant
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 01:44:31 GMT
"Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:3a86d8e7$0$43853$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2684374,00.html?chkpt=zdnn_rt_
> latest
>
> It's nice to see that technical staff is being dumped while the management
> teams from BOTH companies are staying around collecting their paychecks
and
> stock options. Yea, you need all that management but who needs technical
> support eh?
>
> But, really - who cares, right? According to linux supporters linux has
> newsgroups and websites filled with support by unpaid (unknown,
uncertified,
> even untrusted) volunteers who we know are just hanging around every
minute
> of the day waiting to solve YOUR companies problem on your timetable, I'm
> sure.
Microsoft support is no better than linux support. With a microsoft support
package, call in a problem and wait, for three days to infinity. Microsoft
does not guarantee that they will fix anything, and if your problem is not
important enough, it won't be fixed. The level of support, like the linux
level of support, depends on your support contract. If you pay either
microsoft or redhat lots of money ($500K plus per year), you'll get good
support. If you are a small business, and you purchase incidents, you'll
get better support from linux support providers (redhat, for example), than
you will from microsoft. You will get more free support on linux than
you would with microsoft.
I mean, if you've got a problem with something, you can just pick up
> the phone,
AND call red hat tech support. They sell support on a per incident basis.
>er, write a newsgroup post and keep hitting refresh waiting for>
> that authoritive answer from sven svengalli recently paroled from warez
land
> to help you get that enterprise database running again.
Oracle has fairly decent tech support -- for money. There are more Oracle
consultants out there than M.S.
SQL Server consultants. SQL server support is not that easy to get.
>ALl his time running
> mySQL for his warez file indexing system will certainly be of use to you.
if
> you're ultimately lucky, linus might insult you himself ...!
>
> Anyone suggesting Linux is making inroads at the (successful) enterprise
> level is just plain nutz...
It's already a defacto standard. Microsoft is trying to make inroads into
the enterprise market, and it's having some probles doing so.
>
>
>
>
>
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From: Ray Chason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux Threat: non-existant
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 01:46:26 -0000
mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Having dealt with the likes of Microsoft, calling psychic friends is more
>helpful than their technical support. In fact, someone wrote a piece on just
>that, and found the psychic friends network was actually more helpful, at least
>one person there knew about computers.
Typing "microsoft psychic friends" into Google yielded about 10,000
hits. Many were copies of this one (which may or may not be the
original):
http://www.darron.net/family/think/techsupport1.html
Quote:
"In terms of technical expertise, we found that a Microsoft
technician using Knowledge Base was about as helpful as a Psychic
Friends reader using Tarot Cards. All in all, however, the Psychic
Friends Net work proved to be a much friendlier organization than
Microsoft Technical Support. While neither group was actually able
to answer any of our technical questions, the Psychic Friends
Network was much faster than Microsoft and much more courteous."
--
--------------===============<[ Ray Chason ]>===============--------------
PGP public key at http://www.smart.net/~rchason/pubkey.asc
Delenda est Windoze
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From: "Bill Shine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux Threat: non-existant
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 01:51:09 GMT
"Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:0rEh6.26433$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Bloody Viking" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9670cl$2g$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > pip ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> >
> > : F.U.D.
> >
> > Snipped.
> >
> > : Is someone paying these people?
> >
> > It wouldn't surprise me if some of the FUDmeisters are paid
MS-Shills(tm). The
> > MS-Shills must hate the new department in computer stores, the Linux
section.
> > Now, anyone can go to a store and buy Linux.
>
> How come we're not seeing major in-roads in the OEM market?
You mean like Oracle and IBM producing a product that works with linux?
Like Oracle 8i
and DB2 and visual age? Linux is there. You haven't been looking recently.
>That's
> real success. When other vendors are willing to stake their profit
> on your product is when you have a real product. Until then it's
> just a novelty like "Bigmouth Billy Bass". Millons of people bought
> those too, but you don't see many hangding on the wall.
>
> The truth is, people aren't buying Linux in the stores in mass
> quantities. Sales are rediculously low compared with all the other
> software on all the other shelves.
Neither are they buying windows en masse. People usually don't install
O.S.'s....
> Plus, many of the sales are
> buy-it-and-forget-it. Sales of Linux are in the millions, but the
> retention rate is probably pretty low. People buy it to play with it
> but then go back to Windows when they want to get something done.
Or, like me -- I go to linux to get something done, and use windows to play
games.
> Most probably can't figure the damned thing out and just remove it
> and throw the CD away or give it to a friend.
>
> > You have a choice of distros, some optimised for servers or
> > firewalls, or whatever. You can as of now go to a store and buy
> > _SLACKWARE_! No muss, no fuss, no mail order.
>
> Of course, you're wasting your money. Each distro does something
> well, but doesn't everything well in general. I guess you could
> buy all of them to accomplish the varying tasks, but in general
> people are seeing it's not really that great and they can't
> get anything done. They switch back to Windows and become productive
> again. The sales numbers confirm this.
What are they doing? When I get a new machine with windows, it takes me
about a month to collect all the
freeware and shareware that I need to be productive. Windows doesn't come
with zip, and editor, language compilers, a database, a word processor, etc.
What are you talking about? I have to put cygwin, tex, and activestate perl
on it to make it marginally useful.
>
> > Even better, as each new kernel comes out, Linux supports all the more
> > devices. Just bought my new Slackware 7.1 today.
>
> All the more, but still not very many.
>
> -Chad
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bloody Viking)
Subject: Re: The Wintrolls
Date: 12 Feb 2001 01:51:45 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: No sane person would use Linux on a home desktop system as their
: primary operating system.
No sane person needlessly wastes huge amounts of money on software. THAT is
why I use Linux on my home desktop.
--
FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: Laptop and linux. Which one???
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 01:58:24 GMT
In article <966kim$avo$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Gerardo wrote:
>Hello,
>
>I want to buy a laptop, and I want to have a dual boot system
>(Nt/Linux). Many of the laptops are "windows designed".
>Which brand/model would you suggest to have this running in a descent
>way? I mean driver support for screen, CDROM/DVD, floppy, sound, etc.
>
>Thank you,
>Gerardo
Since IBM supports Linux on all of it's laptop's, I'd
favor them. I like their design better anyway.
>
>
>Sent via Deja.com
>http://www.deja.com/
--
Charlie
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From: "Bill Shine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Laptop and linux. Which one???
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 02:04:00 GMT
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Sun, 11 Feb 2001 21:10:17 +0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias
> Warkus) wrote:
>
>
> >The testers were surprised: XFree works on maximum colour depth and
> >resolution on nearly all machines, even the TV output usually works.
>
> Key word USUALLY.
>
> >mawa
>
> I'll bet everyone of the machines ran Windows flawlessly, all features
> were able to be utilized to full capacity like they were designed to
> be.
Get serious, will you? There are reasons why someone would want linux on a
laptop. There are some serious problems with windows that Linux has solved:
a) With windows, you only get one desktop. With linux, you get multiple
desktops. And, gnome and KDE apps are designed to be used with multiple
desktops, so you can assign a window to a desktop. This cannot be done with
windows. I happen to like having lots of windows open, so I need multiple
desktops. That's the primary reason that windows remains a toy O.S. in my
mind.
b) API's. I need to develop UNIX software, which I usually port to HPUX or
SOLARIS, from linux. I can do that on a linux machine, but I can't on a
windows box, unless I resort to loading cygwin, and it leaves a lot to be
desired.
c) Applications. I use CVS for storing documents as well as code. It runs
great on Linux. I use the gnu tools to develop code. I like Apache as a
web server.
d) Scriptability. I like being able to script linux in a script language I
ALREADY KNOW. I don't want to have to learn WSH and some horrid basic
variant.
e) Networking. Linux has a stable tcp/ip stack. Windows ME (what's on most
laptops) does not.
> it I saw words like:
>
> Probably.
> Nearly.
> Usually.
> Patch.
>
> I would start to wonder if I made the right choice.
>
> But, in the Linux world we are forced to sacrifice and do without all
> for the privilege of running the worlds finest OS.
>
And in the windows world, we have to sacrifice a multiple desktop
environment, fine scripting environments, and portable api's. In my mind,
that's a tradeoff I won't make.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: Linux fails to deliver on the hype
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 02:04:27 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>On Sun, 11 Feb 2001 20:01:08 +0000, Pete Goodwin
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>T. Max Devlin wrote:
>>
>>> >Where did you get that from? Your imagination? Where in my post do I
>>> >"take such delight"?
>>>
>>> I would expect it was the apparent passive-aggressive message embodied
>>> by your misrepresentation of the body of the article by your subject
>>> line. Not to mention the passive-aggressive responses which seem calm
>>> but nonetheless resolutely enflame resentment in follow-up.
>>
>>That's an interpretation I do not see. I was not gloating over the loss of
>>30 peoples jobs. I still do not see how that connection was made, and your
>>explanation sheds no light on it at all.
>
>
>It's the classic Penguinista "Twist and Shout" method to take the
>focus off of a particular shortcoming of Linux and throw accusations
>at you instead of Linsux.
>
>In this case, the fact that Linux distributors are going down the
>drain faster than yesterdays pork fried rice.
>
>It won't be long now before the final lever on Linux as a desktop
>alternative is pulled and Linux heads off on a course that will keep
>it in the server arena or in embedded devices, for which it is better
>suited.
>
>
>I can hear the death gurgle already.
>
Yes, the death gurgle. The DEATH GURGLE....
HA HA...
It takes a fine, intelligent author like this 'Flatfish' to come
up with stuff like this.
Wonder why if Windows is the *WINNER* he doesn't bother to use
his real name here? Isn't that a little strange??
>Flatfish
>Why do they call it a flatfish?
>Remove the ++++ to reply.
--
Charlie
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