Linux-Advocacy Digest #418, Volume #32 Thu, 22 Feb 01 21:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Hilter Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (Woofbert)
Re: Who said NT was stable ! (Bloody Viking)
Re: How Microsoft Crushes the Hearts of Trolls. (Steve Mading)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Mark Bratcher)
Re: Are todays computers 1000 times better than the original PCs? ("Edward Rosten")
Re: How much do you *NEED*? (Bloody Viking)
Re: New Microsoft Ad :-) (Shane Phelps)
Re: Interesting Google Facts! ("Paolo Ciambotti")
Re: Why Open Source better be careful - The Microsoft Un-American Activities
Committee (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: State of linux distros ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! (J Sloan)
Re: Would Linux be invented if? (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Microsoft backs out of Corel ("Paolo Ciambotti")
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! (Peter Hayes)
Re: Microsoft dying, was Re: Microsoft seeks government help to stop Linux ("Paolo
Ciambotti")
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Amusing Aaron Kulkis Anagrams ("Paolo Ciambotti")
Re: Microsoft backs out of Corel (Tim Hanson)
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From: Woofbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,demon.local
Subject: Re: Hilter Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 01:06:37 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron Kulkis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Whoever you were talking with got fed up
> > with
> > that sort of stupidity and refused to speak with you any further. Now
> > you're all hurt and get all riled up when someone mentions Godwin.
>
> Fuck off, loser.
Woohoo! I hit the nail -- bang! -- on the head.
Godwin! Godwin! Godwin!
::hamster-dancing!::
--
Woofbert <woofbert at infernosoft dot com> -- http://www.infernosoft.com
"As any discussion of the Macintosh progresses, the likelihood of someone
claiming that the Mac UI was stolen from Xerox approaches 1. At this point,
the thread has degenerated to such an extent that it might as well end."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bloody Viking)
Subject: Re: Who said NT was stable !
Date: 23 Feb 2001 01:07:30 GMT
Donn Miller ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: Nah, you just have to hire a competent NT admin, that's all.
Even the competent ones complain about NT. Great OS to lose sleep over. That's
why competent techies sneak in Linux servers. Linux servers stay awake so you
don't have to.
--
FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: How Microsoft Crushes the Hearts of Trolls.
Date: 23 Feb 2001 01:00:29 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: In article <973ug6$gks$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:>
:> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Gary Hallock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:>: In article <96s7ui$a4u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Steve Mading"
:>: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:>
:>
:>:> What is the simplest algorithm for getting the numerical value of a
:>:> digit character in ASCII:
:>:> x = ord(ch) - ord('0')
:>:> Since the ord() is really a do-nothing operation that exists purely to
:>:> tell the compiler "yes, I really meant to do this, It's not a mistake.",
:>:> the above is really nothing more than a numerical subtraction operation.
:>:> (and even looks that way in C: ch - '0' )
:>:>
:>
:>: Actually, this works for EBCDIC also since the digits are contiguous -
:>: 0xf0 - 0xf9. Still, I wouldn't recommend this method since it does make
:>: assumptions on the representation of characters.
I'd like to point out that the representation of characters is what
this is about in the first place. I can't very well show how
ASCII is superior to EBCDIC while at the same time going out of my
way to avoid anything ASCII-specific.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Bratcher)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 01:11:49 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 00:39:51 GMT, Robert Surenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>In comp.os.linux.misc Peter T. Breuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> In comp.os.linux.misc Robert Surenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>> In comp.os.linux.misc Peter T. Breuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>> In comp.os.linux.misc Robert Surenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>> In comp.os.linux.misc Peter T. Breuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>[deletia]
>>> conviction. It's a formal game at bottom - like winning at Gin Rummy.
>>
>>Well, I can respect that.
>>
>>It's how I look at the results of my 5 senses. I don't have an absolute
>>belief in anything I see or hear, but I've found that if I pay attention
>>it helps "win the game".
>>
>>However, maybe I'm strange. I feel that some studies like perhaps ethics
>>are somehow grounded in a "absolute" truth. Maybe because I fear the
>>alternative.
>
> Ethics is not infact based on "absolute" truth but acknowledging
> what your standards and objectives are. It is "absolute" truth
> that is scary for it is typically adhered to without any thought.
>
"Relative" truth, OTOH, isn't scarey at all. Just ask Charles Mason. :-)
--
Mark Bratcher
To reply direct, remove both underscores (_) from my email name
===============================================================
Escape from Microsoft's proprietary tentacles: use Linux!
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Are todays computers 1000 times better than the original PCs?
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 01:15:55 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "mlw"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I just noticed I have 1000 times more ram than my first PC/XT, it is a
> dual processor 600 MHZ system which is a an aggregate 250 times faster.
Are you just counting MHZ? Its probably a lot faster if you take in to
account the FPU, the bittiness, the MMX (and like) instructions and
pipelining.
> My first hard disk was 20Meg, I have an aggregate 2300 times more disk
> space.
>
> It has been an amazing 16 years of computing.
I'll agree. Computers in another 16 years will be frightening. 30 GHZ
processors are in the works, but either they use a very, very unreliable
fabrication technique or they use an unreliable fabrication technique and
need supercooling.
It was nice to see last year when the highest clocked processors went one
billion times faster than the clock on the first binary digital computer.
-Ed
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bloody Viking)
Subject: Re: How much do you *NEED*?
Date: 23 Feb 2001 01:18:45 GMT
Aaron Kulkis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: > If you want "mouth like a sailor" advocacy, check out Aaron Kulkus.
: Shaming is the ONLY thing that works with Windows-advocating liars.
Sad but true sometimes.
--
FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.
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From: Shane Phelps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: New Microsoft Ad :-)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 12:23:46 +1100
Ian Davey wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Shane Phelps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I've had better experiences with NT than many of you, and worse than some.
> >I'd think NT boxes would average closer to 99.99% (1 hr/yr down).
>
> That sounds far too high for an average, for it to be true you'd need a lot
> of servers to be considerably better than that. It just doesn't seem remotely
> plausible.
>
10 minutes per reboot, 1 pre-emptive reboot every 2 months.
Our NT servers seem to stay up about that long. Monthly reboots are probably
closer to the mark, but then "closer to 4 nines than 3" or "3 nines and
an eight"
just don't have quite the same ring to them :-)
Weekly reboots take you down to 3 nines, and NT seems more reliable than that.
Systems freezing or crashing (unscheduled shutdowns in MS-speak ;-) are
another
story, but how much time is lost there depends on just how well the
monitoring
tools are working and how quickly the administrators respond.
I wasn't thinking about just servers. I just log out of my NT box at work
overnight, It's only had a couple of BSODs, and it only gets rebooted every
couple of months when it slows down too much. I think I've only had 1 BSOD
on the NT box at home, and it stays on most of the time (but not doing much).
As I said, I haven't had as bad a run with NT as many others have. OTOH,
most of the W9x users turn their PCs off every night and *still* get crashes.
> ian.
>
> \ /
> (@_@) http://www.eclipse.co.uk/sweetdespise/ (dark literature)
> /(&)\ http://www.eclipse.co.uk/sweetdespise/libertycaptions/ (art)
> | |
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From: "Paolo Ciambotti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Interesting Google Facts!
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 18:24:02 -0800
In article <9749m1$k2$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Charlie Ebert"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Pull up http://www.google.com
>>
>>
>> Do the following.
>>
>>
>> Do a search on "Windows" - You see 24,900,000 references. Do a
>> search on "Microsoft" - You see 14,700,000 references.
>
> Search on Linux - You see 40,200,000
>
> More than MS+Windows (without even subtracting duplications).
>
>
> -Ed
It could also be 40,200,000 archived messages pleading for help
with installing Linux. But even that is a good general indication of uptake for
Linux. How goes that proverb, "Bad publicity is better than no
publicity"?
You should visit the "Operating System Sucks-Rules-O-Meter" site for an
interesting evaluation of similar findings.
http://srom.zgp.org/
Ciao.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: Why Open Source better be careful - The Microsoft Un-American
Activities Committee
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 01:23:53 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Erik Funkenbusch
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Wed, 21 Feb 2001 03:56:13 -0600
<Z8Mk6.675$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>"The Ghost In The Machine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
>message
>> >My point was that if IBM can be sued for selling tabulation machines to
>the
>> >Nazi's, it's the exact same thing as accepting and knowingly assisting in
>> >the act of providing an OS that is used for violating human rights.
>> >
>> >If you condemn IBM, then you must also condemn others that do the same
>> >thing.
>>
>> Exactly. We must all condemn Linux for its helping the Chinese oppress
>> their people, and all buy Windows XP, Windows ME, or Windows 2000
>> instead.
>>
>> Spot The Flaw.
>
>The flaw is in your assumption that this is what I said. I didn't.
Agreed, you didn't say we should use Microsoft (we could, for instance,
use MacOS). But whom would we sue? Linus? The US Government? The
corporations selling Linux to China? (Are there any?)
And who should sue? I suppose we could cobble up a class-action
coalition. Or is this a criminal suit?
Any person knowingly contributing to the cause of Open Source
might be liable for helping improve the quality of a piece of
software that is being (or can be!) used to oppress the people of China.
I am one of those people (I have contributed a minor piece ot
the Wine project); there are thousands of others.
Spot The Flaw *here*.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
EAC code #191 17d:23h:47m actually running Linux.
This is the best part of the message.
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: State of linux distros
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 01:24:37 +0000
>> ah, but C'MON.....like i said before; this is the year 2001, and anyone
>> running a 'puter with less than a PII 300 (or compatible) and 128 MB
>> RAM in
>
> My entire department's mail (about 100 people) is being happily handled
> by a P100 - it was running kernel 2.0.36 until a few days ago. It also
> has about 40 user accounts. I alone get about 4000 mails a day, so I'm
> going to bet it gets at least 10 times that.
Some people have never heard ot the right tool for the job. A P100 is
fine as a mail server and can cope with huge amounts of mail. The people
wanting you to by a dual P4 to do the job would probably put a P4 in as
a washing machine contoller, when, realy a 4 bit processor does the job
with cycles to spare.
>> it, need some serious reality check, u cant wip a dead horse like that
>> for ever ...but then again; Win2kpro works just fine with a P133, just
>> make sure
>
> My home server is also a P100. So is the departments www server. My
> other homes server is a P166. My laptop is a P150.
Really, what is the point in getting a faster computer simply because one
is avaliable? My CPU sits idle for most of the time as it is.
> You only need grunt to run staroffice and netscape ;-)
A p133 can cope with NS4 and SO.
-Ed
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 01:25:40 GMT
Peter Hayes wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Feb 2001 22:05:16 GMT, J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Peter Hayes wrote:
> >
> > > Let's see. You want to print from The Gimp? You can select file or lp, or
> > > whatever you've called your printer. Select lp. So far so good. Now,
> > >
> > > ****despite the fact that my printer queue is called "Epson" to match my
> > > Epson Stylus Color****,
> >
> > So you have deliberately changed the printer name from
> > the default of "lp" to "Epson", an unconventional device
> > name, to say the least.
>
> Not done by me (personally). Done by CUPS as part of the printer
> installation process.
hmm, perhaps cups is not really ready for prime time.
I've had no problems with lpr or lprng, and lprng seems
fully compatible with apps that expect a bsd style lpd.
Add this to the list of gotchas in Mandrake, I suppose.
jjs
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: Would Linux be invented if?
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 01:26:30 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Aaron Kulkis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Mon, 19 Feb 2001 20:19:06 -0500
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>
>Adam Warner wrote:
>>
>> Hi J Sloan,
>>
>> > > > This is the work of god.
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > That is sort of ironic when you think about it, considering Linus is
>> > > atheist.
>> >
>> > Is this true? I hadn't heard.
>> >
>> > Well, in any case, it would not be the first time
>> > an atheist played a key role in a divine plan.
>>
>> <grin>
>>
>> http://www.celebatheists.com/entries/linus_torvalds.html
>>
>> After the theological discussion that raged for days in here I an hesitant
>> to quote that Linus appears to see himself as both agnostic and atheistic!
>>
>
>mutually exclusive.
Hardly.
http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/intro.html
[rest snipped]
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EAC code #191 17d:23h:57m actually running Linux.
We are all naked underneath our clothes.
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From: "Paolo Ciambotti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft backs out of Corel
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 18:30:36 -0800
They have sucked yet another competitor dry of their Intellectual Property
and are just casting the dessicated corpse aside.
Maybe we will see the MSFT "innovation(TM)" of "reveal-codes" in Word-2001.
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From: Peter Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 01:23:36 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 23 Feb 2001 00:52:58 GMT, Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Peter Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : On 22 Feb 2001 20:25:11 GMT, Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> : wrote:
>
> :> Peter Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> :>
> :> : it will print garbage. You ***still*** have to go to "setup" and select
> :> : your printer instead of the default "PostScript Level 1", then save
> :> : settings. Then it does a reasonable, but not outstanding, printout.
> :>
> :> If the printer is set up right in the first place, "Postscript level 1"
> :> WILL work.
>
> : I'm sorry, but that is just plain WRONG, pure and simple. I've just spent
> : the best part of an hour checking everything out.
>
> [snip]
>
> Edward Rosten pointed out something in another part of this
> thread that clears things up. Gimp is apparently going out of
> its way to *deliberately* turn off the the printer filter when
> it tells the system to print, by mislabelling its job as "raw data",
> when it is not. That's pretty silly. If it would just do things
> the 'dumb' default way, they would actually have worked better.
> I probably didn't see the problem because I'm not using CUPS. Here
> my "raw" data is filtered just like everything else is. Everything
> I print gets filtered on my setup, whether it is tagged as "raw"
> or not.
Yes, I think we've come to the conclusion that it's specifically the
version of Gimp shipped with Mandrake 7.2 is broken in this respect.
Peter
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From: "Paolo Ciambotti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft dying, was Re: Microsoft seeks government help to stop Linux
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 18:40:59 -0800
In article <uU8l6.56399$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Chad Myers"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]
> Windows XP is a whole OS which provides hundreds of new features.
Somebody called it "Baby's first OS" in a news story somewhere.
Insightful.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 01:39:19 -0000
On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 01:11:49 GMT, Mark Bratcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 00:39:51 GMT, Robert Surenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>In comp.os.linux.misc Peter T. Breuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>> In comp.os.linux.misc Robert Surenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>> In comp.os.linux.misc Peter T. Breuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>> In comp.os.linux.misc Robert Surenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>>> In comp.os.linux.misc Peter T. Breuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>[deletia]
>>>> conviction. It's a formal game at bottom - like winning at Gin Rummy.
>>>
>>>Well, I can respect that.
>>>
>>>It's how I look at the results of my 5 senses. I don't have an absolute
>>>belief in anything I see or hear, but I've found that if I pay attention
>>>it helps "win the game".
>>>
>>>However, maybe I'm strange. I feel that some studies like perhaps ethics
>>>are somehow grounded in a "absolute" truth. Maybe because I fear the
>>>alternative.
>>
>> Ethics is not infact based on "absolute" truth but acknowledging
>> what your standards and objectives are. It is "absolute" truth
>> that is scary for it is typically adhered to without any thought.
>>
>
>"Relative" truth, OTOH, isn't scarey at all. Just ask Charles Mason. :-)
If you insist on following that tactic,
there are far scarier names to dredge up.
--
Regarding Copyleft:
There are more of "US" than there are of "YOU", so I don't
really give a damn if you're mad that the L/GPL makes it
harder for you to be a robber baron.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 20:43:21 -0500
Quantum Leaper wrote:
>
> "Aaron Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> >
> > Nick Condon wrote:
> > >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Edward Rosten) wrote in <972j0q$jm6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > >
> > > >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron Kulkis"
> > > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>> LOL! Robin Hood was a common thief.
> > > >>
> > > >> No...that was the TAX COLLECTOR.
> > > >>
> > > >> Robin Hood merely returned to the people what was wrongfully stolen
> from
> > > >> them by Little John's tax collectors.
> > > >
> > > >Robin Hood was a common thief turned in to a legend.
> > > >
> > > >Little John was one of the Merry Men according to that legend. Are you
> > > >refering to she Sherrif of Nittingham?
> >
> > Nottingham.
> >
> > >
> > > I think he's referring to Prince John, a little snake in the Disney
> > > version.
> >
> > Sorry, got the two Johns mixed up.
> >
> > Prince John was rather little (in more ways than one).
> >
> >
> > Prince John had his older brother King Henry (who had gone off
> > on a crusade) to be declared dead, and had himself crowned King.
> > He then implemented a police state so that he could go about
> > methodically seizing all of the wealth throughout England (under
> > the PRETENSE of paying for the Crusade).
> >
> The more common story is Prince John is trying to raise the ransom money for
> King Henry, thats why he has to raise the taxes.
But raised the taxes FAR in excess of what was needed to ransom Henry.
Henry was being held by some Duke in Germany for 150,000 marks.
He was freed after someone paid the Duke 100,000 marks.
this is a matter of historical record.
>
> > Robin was a yeoman, part of the rising middle class of the
> > period.
> >
> Robin is a Saxon, some stories he can be any thing yeoman to the leading
> Saxon of the Nottingham. The important fact is that he is a Saxon, and
> they (Prince John and the ruling Nobles) are Normans.
Saxon is a tribe. Yeoman is more of a job title.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: "meow" is yet another anonymous coward who does nothing
but write stupid nonsense about his intellectual superiors.
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Paolo Ciambotti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Amusing Aaron Kulkis Anagrams
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 18:47:59 -0800
Congratulations, buttface.
You have managed to get ARK to add three more line to an already bloated,
useless, and netiquette-ignorant sig.
FOAD.
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From: Tim Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft backs out of Corel
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 01:50:48 GMT
I don't know too many Linux people crying big tears over Corel. It's
true that Microsoft hammered them on Windows 95 and 98 updates, pushing
them into the market late. Cowpland's assessment at the time, that they
couldn't make a go as long as they depended on a competitor's
environment, was correct, but the way they went about it was foolish.
There was Netwinder, on which they had no expertise, and Java, which was
depending on another vendor. Finally, when they grasped Linux they put
out an also ran distribution into a crowded field, wasting more
resources, then they put out their prime Windows moneymaker on Linux
using that perpetual taillight chasing pre-alpha embarrassment, Wine.
Along the way they managed to irritate the FSF, the volunteers of the
Debian project, and members of the Wine project. After that they tried
a little scam on Borland that didn't work. A pox on them.
Matthew Gardiner wrote:
>
> I'm not really worried about Corel or Microsoft. Had Corel focused on its
> core fundimentals instead of going into unknown territory, in the case of
> the netwinder (I would hate to know how much was wasted in that little pipe
> dream), Corel wouldn't be in the deep shit they are now. Also, the lack of
> willingness to compete with Microsoft head on is another issue. In 1997 the
> NZ Army had just upgraded there computers from running Wordstar 2000, DBIV,
> 123, and Harvard Graphics to Pentium's running Windows NT, hence they needed
> a new office suite. When the NZ Army were looking for software companies
> that were interested in providing an Office Suite for the army, the one who
> won was Microsoft, they offered a terrific deal, the deal allowed all
> computers in the army, AND all army personal who had computers at home, to
> be able to load Office. Corel didn't even offer a deal (from what I have
> heard from sources) even close to what Microsoft offered. Hence, the
> reason why Microsoft in some respects are successful, they chase customers,
> unlike Corel, who just sit around hoping someone will, out of the good ness
> of their own heart, choose Corel over their competitors.
>
> Matthew Gardiner
>
> "Tim Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-02-22-009-20-NW-CL-MS
> >
> > By Brian Proffitt, LinuxToday
> >
> > "In what appears to be a move to dodge yet another Department of Justice
> > investigation, Microsoft Corporation may be selling its shares in Corel
> > Corporation--at half the price it bought those shares.
> >
> > "According to the S-3 registration statement filed by Corel Corporation
> > Feb. 21, 24 million Series A shares will be converted to common shares
> > and then registered for sale by Microsoft. This step is necessary
> > because the Series A shares are not convertible by Microsoft directly.
> >
> > "What the registration does not say is how many of these converted
> > shares Microsoft will actually put on the selling block. But, if
> > Microsoft sells all of these shares at the proposed price of $2.5625 per
> > share, then Microsoft would only make $61.5 million--a figure that
> > represents half of the $135 million price Microsoft paid for the shares
> > in October, 2000.
> >
> > "Though no reason was given for the conversion, Microsoft's known cash
> > reserves, which are fairly large, tends to fuel speculation by industry
> > observers that Microsoft is not using this sale to generate cash, but is
> > seeking to avoid yet another Department of Justice anti-trust
> > investigation.
> >
> > "The 24 million Series A shares represent the entirety of Microsoft's
> > October 2 purchase of the non-voting shares in Corel Corp.
> >
> > No one at Microsoft or Corel could be reached for comment.
> >
> > --
> > Dimensions will always be expressed in the least usable term.
> > Velocity, for example, will be expressed in furlongs per fortnight.
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