Linux-Advocacy Digest #496, Volume #32 Mon, 26 Feb 01 09:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: NT vs *nix performance ("Jon Johanson")
Re: M$ doing it again! (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ] (Karri Kalpio)
Re: Something Seemingly Simple. (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Something Seemingly Simple. (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: NT vs *nix performance ("Jon Johanson")
Re: NT vs *nix performance ("Jon Johanson")
Re: Something Seemingly Simple. ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Incredible developments in Italy regarding business software (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: The Windows guy. (Roberto Alsina)
Re: .NET is plain .NUTS (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: The Windows guy. (Roberto Alsina)
Re: NT vs *nix performance ("Jon Johanson")
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From: "Jon Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.linux.sux,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT vs *nix performance
Date: 26 Feb 2001 07:27:04 -0600
"Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <3a97347b$0$2432$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jan Johanson wrote:
> >
> >"Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> ><snip good stuff>
> >>
> >> What I find hillarious about this is the author appearently
> >> has never heard of HOT MAIL and how Microsoft has been trying
> >> for the last decade to replace the FreeBSD servers which RUN
> >> HOTMAIL with Windows counterparts.
> >
> >given that hotmail isn't a decade old we find our very first problem with
> >this lie.
>
>
> It might not be exactly 10 years old. It's pretty close.
Not quite.
>
>
> >given that the hotmail appliation itself runs on solaris identifies
another
> >problem
>
> It never ran on solaris. It always ran on FreeBSD.
> I reference http://www.freebsd.org for the facts.
> They were the engineers who created it.
The main application itself runs on solaris and continues to do so today.
The front end web servers used to run BSD but now run W2K.
>
>
> >given the fact that there isn't a single BSD box serving web content for
> >hotmail - that they've all been replaced by window 2000 boxes puts the
nail
> >in the coffin.
> >
>
> Nope they tried and failed.
Never.
>
>
> >>
> >> They spent several million dollars in those attempts also.
> >> The last attempt was with Windows 2000.
> >
> >and they succeeded on their only attempt, MS has never tried to convert
> >hotmail before it did with W2K. Claims otherwise are lies.
> >
>
>
> yes they did. They tried with NT and failed there also.
Never.
>
>
> >>
> >> And they all failed. They can't keep the system up for
> >> more than 3-4 days. And rebooting thousands of boxes
> >> is completely crazy.
> >
> >Indeed, which is one of the reasons they dropped BSD
BSD is reliable - that wasn't the reason. They needed better speed and
scaling as well as shutting up everyone who kept point to hotmail running a
non-MS OS and trying to make like it was something more than it is.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: M$ doing it again!
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 08:35:43 -0500
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> "Aaron Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> > > All OS's have unpublished API's, including Linux. You can find all
> kinds of
> >
> > Wrong on two counts.
>
> Really?
>
> > > API's that are inside the kernel but do not appear in man pages because
> > > they're intended to be used internally inside the kernel itself without
> a
> > > published interface.
> >
> > 1) If it's only meant to be use INTERNAL to the kernal, and
> > *NEVER* by application, then it's *NOT* part of the API.
> >
> > API = APPPLICATIONS Programming Interface.
> >
> > Anything which is "internal to the kernal" is, by definition, outside
> > of the scope of the API.
>
> That's an awfully narrow view? What exactly do you call the kernel module
> API? A kernel module is not an application, yet the kernel exposes a set of
> interfaces for the modules to link to. Those interfaces are commonly known
> as API's, even if it's not an application.
Hey, shit-for-brain (I'M TALKING TO *YOU* FUNKENBUSCH)....if you
mean something *OTHER* than API, then don't use the term API.
Now...here's some ... advice.
sit down
and SHUT THE FUCK UP
you miserable, uneducated, lying fool.
>
> > 2) What part of OPEN SOURCE do you not understand?
> >
> > The source-code IS *ALWAYS* the authoritative documentation.
>
> Not everything in the kernel is documented in source comments either.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: "meow" is yet another anonymous coward who does nothing
but write stupid nonsense about his intellectual superiors.
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Karri Kalpio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ]
Date: 26 Feb 2001 15:35:19 +0200
Shane Phelps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> J Sloan wrote:
>
> > Chad, I don't think you are concerned about ssh security
> > flaws, mainly because there is no windows ssh server.
>
> The really funny thing about this is that there *is* at least one Windows
> ssh server version. There is a port of the ssh 1,2,x sshd which runs with
> Cygwin (it only needs cygwin.dll, not the entire package). Data Fellows
> *may* have an ssh server for Windows as well (it is US-only if there is one)
Well, Data Fellows is nowadays called F-Secure (been that for quite
some time by now).
And they do have a server for NT and W2K, at least that's what
they say in http://www.f-secure.fi/products/ssh/server/ . That
does not mention the SSH version, though. I would guess it's SSH2
but F-Secure has been fighting with Tatu quite a lot so I wouldn't
be that surprised if they were a bit behind...
Furthermore, it is _not_ US-only, Finland doesn't have those
stupid crypto export laws. You see, it's _imported_ to US, not
_exported_ from there.
--karri
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c
Subject: Re: Something Seemingly Simple.
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 08:36:09 -0500
Edward Rosten wrote:
>
> > Alternatively, in the MATH and PHYSICS departments, they simply use
> > "convenient" values (like sin 30 degrees = 1/2, or tan 45 degrees =
> > sqrt(2)/2), and entirely prohibit the use of calculators.
>
> tan 45=1
Brain fart...
>
> -Ed
>
> --
> | u98ejr
> | @
> Share, and enjoy. | eng.ox
> | .ac.uk
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: "meow" is yet another anonymous coward who does nothing
but write stupid nonsense about his intellectual superiors.
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c
Subject: Re: Something Seemingly Simple.
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 08:36:54 -0500
Edward Rosten wrote:
>
> > Alternatively, in the MATH and PHYSICS departments, they simply use
> > "convenient" values (like sin 30 degrees = 1/2, or tan 45 degrees =
> > sqrt(2)/2), and entirely prohibit the use of calculators.
>
> tan 45=1
>
correct...sin 45 degrees = sqrt(2)/2
brain fart on my part.
> -Ed
>
> --
> | u98ejr
> | @
> Share, and enjoy. | eng.ox
> | .ac.uk
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: "meow" is yet another anonymous coward who does nothing
but write stupid nonsense about his intellectual superiors.
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Jon Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.linux.sux,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT vs *nix performance
Date: 26 Feb 2001 07:38:02 -0600
"Bartek Kostrzewa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:3a9954e8$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:3a97347b$0$2432$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > <snip good stuff>
> > >
> > > What I find hillarious about this is the author appearently
> > > has never heard of HOT MAIL and how Microsoft has been trying
> > > for the last decade to replace the FreeBSD servers which RUN
> > > HOTMAIL with Windows counterparts.
> >
> > given that hotmail isn't a decade old we find our very first problem
with
> > this lie.
> > given that the hotmail appliation itself runs on solaris identifies
> another
> > problem
> > given the fact that there isn't a single BSD box serving web content for
> > hotmail - that they've all been replaced by window 2000 boxes puts the
> nail
> > in the coffin.
>
> errm... the only w2k boxes @ hotmail are the frontends, all backends are
> FreeBSD, no Solaris around on there m8
Errm, the BSD boxes WERE the front end servers that were replaced by W2K.
Solaris is what is running the actual hotmail application on the back end.
http://www.microsoft.com/NTServer/web/news/msnw/Hotmail.asp plus netcraft
tracked BSD as the front end server until March '00 when W2K started to
appear. The conversion of the front end servers is complete.
------------------------------
From: "Jon Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.linux.sux,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT vs *nix performance
Date: 26 Feb 2001 07:39:02 -0600
"Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:fG_l6.1224$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > What I find hillarious about this is the author appearently
> > has never heard of HOT MAIL and how Microsoft has been trying
> > for the last decade to replace the FreeBSD servers which RUN
> > HOTMAIL with Windows counterparts.
>
> Jezuz Charlie. Stop being so stupid.
>
> 1) MS has not owned Hotmail for a decade, it's only owned it for 3 years.
> 2) Hotmail has been running entirely on Win2k except for 3 single-tasking
> graphic servers since July.
I'm on your side of this Erik and don't have reason to doubt you but can you
help me find info about your item #2. I know they've switched all the front
end servers to w2k but I heard the backend application itself was running on
solaris. Are you saying they've converted the application itself ?
------------------------------
From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c
Subject: Re: Something Seemingly Simple.
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:38:54 +0000
> The 9970 is pretty similar to the 9850 when it comes to complex numbers.
> Complex numbers can't be stored in matrices. They can be used with
> addition, substraction, multiplication, division, squares and square
> roots, but not functions like sin or cos. I don't think sin i or cos i
> is even defined.
sure it is.
sin (x) = (exp(ix) - exp(-ix))/2i
.: sin(ix) = (exp(-x) - exp(x))/2i = sinh(x)/2i
likewise,
cos(ix) = cosh(x)
and so on.
This leads to a definition of a complex frequency which is a decaying or
growing (exponentially) sinusoid.
-Ed
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Incredible developments in Italy regarding business software
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 08:41:13 -0500
Greg wrote:
>
> Watch the socialists sink their own economy through excessive regulation.
> HAHAHAHA!!!
>
No wonder the mafia has its roots in Italy.
Come to think of it...every "notorious" criminal culture comes from
jurisdictions which are noted for over-reaching government
> > From the truth is stranger than fiction file:
> >
> > http://lwn.net/2001/features/siae.php3
> >
> > Any Italian wanting to distribute software for profit requires an
> > authorising stamp or they could face a huge fine or imprisonment:
> >
> > "Whoever intends to make a profit ...for commercial or business purposes,
> > from the use of ...computer programs contained on a medium not bearing the
> > SIAE stamp, is subject to a penalty of imprisonment from six months up to
> > three years and to a fine from 2500 to 15000 Euros."
> >
> > Since an SIAE stamp is required for the name of the author, publisher,
> > producer or copyright holder a single Linux CD could conceivably require
> > hundreds of stamps.
> >
> > Adam
> >
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: "meow" is yet another anonymous coward who does nothing
but write stupid nonsense about his intellectual superiors.
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Bill Gates and Michael Dell
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 08:46:13 -0500
Linus Kendall wrote:
>
> On Wed, 21 Feb 2001 17:03:49 -0500, Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >Lars Träger wrote:
> >>
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:37:29 -0500, Peter Ammon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> > >How does Windows/Linux/StudlyOS prevent your apps from crashing? When
> >> > >the app crashes, you lose the same amount of work whether or not the OS
> >> > >goes down too.
> >> >
> >> > A properly working OS will prevent the crashing app from corrupting the
> >> > rest of the system.
> >>
> >> So some versions/distributions of Linux are not a properly working OS.
> >>
> >
> >But UNLIKE Windows, those linux distributions are PROPERLY labelled as
> >'development' versions....NOT "ready for prime time" like M$ does.
> >
>
> Actually not. *points at rh 7.0*
Whoops, I meant linux kernels which are .even-digit for production, and
.odd-digit for development.
>
> The real difference is that almost always are the core parts,
> and I could streatch as far as all important parts, of a Linux
> system properly labelled as "development" versions if they aren't
> ready for prime time. This follows the simple logic that most
> of the core parts aren't involved in any money-making on their own.
>
> ---
> Linus Kendall
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: "meow" is yet another anonymous coward who does nothing
but write stupid nonsense about his intellectual superiors.
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Windows guy.
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:52:23 -0300
Pete Goodwin wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> says...
>
>> >>Because in a well-designed system, crashing apps don't harm the OS.
>> >
>> >Then why does forking child processes ad infinitum bring Linux to its
>> >knees (assuming no limits)?
>>
>> Of course, if you let users use all the resources, then they can use all
>> the resources. You're making an entirely circular argument.
>>
>> A well designed system doesn't make it impossible for users to use
>> all resources, it makes it possible to prevent it.
>
> Unfortunately, the default on Linux Mandrake is to have no limits.
It's called a tradeoff. You can set the limits or not. If you set them, the
system will not crash but your apps may. And viceversa.
Mandrake made a choice. You can make your own.
--
Roberto Alsina
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: .NET is plain .NUTS
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 08:41:49 -0500
Peter Hayes wrote:
>
> On Mon, 26 Feb 2001 01:10:37 -0500, Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Bloody Viking wrote:
> >
> > > The price of software, always escalating, is the No. 1 reason why people use
> > > warez. Sure, I'd like to have an office suite. But I'm not - repeat, not -
> > > going to pay $300 for it. I'll just live without if I have to, and use a text
> > > editor for documents, use C for math instead of a spreadsheet, and so on.
> >
> > Pick up StarOffice. It's even been ported to LoseDOS.
>
> Is it free for commercial use?
You can buy it at CompUSA for about $20.
>
> Peter
> --
>
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>
> Your signature server will now reboot so that
> the changes will take effect.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: "meow" is yet another anonymous coward who does nothing
but write stupid nonsense about his intellectual superiors.
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Windows guy.
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:57:22 -0300
Pete Goodwin wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>> > >Because in a well-designed system, crashing apps don't harm the OS.
>> >
>> > Then why does forking child processes ad infinitum bring Linux to its
>> > knees (assuming no limits)?
>>
>> Because UNRESTRAINED, infinite resource consumption will bring ANY
>> O/S to it's knees, you idiot.
>
> Oh pillock, you were the one that claim crashing apps don't harm the OS.
Actually in this context, it's the non-crashing app that harms the OS.
If the hungry app just crashed, the OS would go on. Since it does not, it
starves the OS.
System resource limits are simply ways to force apps to crash.
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: "Jon Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.linux.sux,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT vs *nix performance
Date: 26 Feb 2001 07:48:01 -0600
"J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Boris Dynin wrote:
>
> > > It's hilarious that they carefully avoided the specweb
> > > results - I wonder why? could it be that the results
> > > would not support their agenda?
> > Check this one:
> > Tester System Name Result HTTP Version CPU #
> >
> > Dell PowerEdge 8450/700 7300 IIS 5.0 and SWC 3.0 8
> >
> > http://www.spec.org/osg/web99/results/res2000q4/web99-20001211-00082.asc
>
> Exactly - microsoft's "bet the farm", "benchmark buster"
> configuration with the special web cache in front of iis
> is badly outperformed by AIX, and can't even match the
> performance of the free Red Hat Linux system.
Special cache? You mean some software anyone can buy and run outta the box?
You didn't notice the AIX box has 12 processors versus 8 for the w2k box
(and it only beat it by 14% with 50% more processors).
I did see the custom benchmark buster Tux system beating it by a sizzling 3
whole percentage points! Woo hoo!!
>
> > > And oddly enough, a $6000 Linux server easily outperforms
> > > this suspiciously slow and overpriced "unix system", and also
> > > compares favorably with the $208,000 windows pc server farm.
> > And yor sources are...
>
> I have a very low end server (Compaq Pentium Pro 200)
> here at the office - I did some quick benchmark tests with
> apache, mind you - not something really fast like zeus or
> tux, just plain old apache on Red Hat 7.0,and I get 4200
> requests per second from that tired old Linux box, over
> a single100 mbit ethernet interface.
Amazing... but I think you are lying. Why? Well, how do you figure that you,
joe blow average user, using a piece of crap pentium pro scraper can get
4200 but it takes IBM a quad Xeon 700 to get 4200? You really expect me to
believe that you generated 4200 rps on a PP200? ahahahaha
Where is your gigabit ethernet? Did you have 4 nics and 6 10k scsi drives in
it? or maybe your just such a software guru that you figured out how to do
what all the engineers at IBM couldn't.
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