Linux-Advocacy Digest #541, Volume #32 Tue, 27 Feb 01 21:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: [OT] .sig (Brent R)
Re: Breaking into the Unix field: FreeBSD vs Linux (RH7) (Charlie Ebert)
Re: My long signature (Terry Porter)
Re: What the hell is MS thinking? (Johannes Bauer)
Re: [OT] .sig (Brent R)
Re: I will now perform a neat trick (Charlie Ebert)
Re: What the hell is MS thinking? (Johannes Bauer)
Re: [OT] .sig (Dave Vandervies)
Re: Breaking into the Unix field: FreeBSD vs Linux (RH7) ("Bryant Charleston, MCSE")
Re: Breaking into the Unix field: FreeBSD vs Linux (RH7) ("Bryant Charleston, MCSE")
Re: [OT] .sig (Brent R)
Re: [OT] .sig (Brent R)
Re: [OT] .sig (Brent R)
Re: Mircosoft Tax (Bob Hauck)
Re: Java Platform Monopoly (Was: Re: Judge Harry Edwards comments.... ("2 + 2")
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From: Brent R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c
Subject: Re: [OT] .sig
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 01:18:32 GMT
chrisv wrote:
>
> Brent R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >I'm an American too, and sadly I'd have to disagree. America breeds more
> >immature, online, shit-talkers than any other country online.
>
> Idiot. That's only because there's more of us online. That, and we
> DO have the freedoms that many countires don't.
Yeah we have so many more rights than Britain, Canada, France etc. etc.
Dude, in America you can't even get a beer if you're under 21, but you
can be drafted into the military. You can ever buy a gun! Now that is
ridiculous!
But, yes, I understand what you're saying, but still we have too many
parents that don't know what to do with their money so they give it to
their kids. This country is breeding spoiled little brats like flies.
My mom is a teacher. She sees evidence of parents coddling their kids
everyday. She's runs into parental hostility every time she even
criticizes a kid. Do you think it's easy being a parent when most
parent's attitudes are "my little Jimmy would NEVER do that"?
Well, most of these kids end up on AOL or whatever talking shit about
how America is the best country on earth because it can nuke every other
country on earth. I've seen it, and I'm embarrassed by it. And you
should be too.
--
Happy Trails!
-Brent
http://rotten168.home.att.net
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,alt.unix.alt.unix.geeks,comp.unix.sys5,comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.solaris,alt.solaris.x86,comp.unix.aix,csu.unix.aix,comp.unix.sco,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Breaking into the Unix field: FreeBSD vs Linux (RH7)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 01:19:52 GMT
In article <qRVm6.108$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Sphinx367 wrote:
>I'm going to begin familiarizing myself w/Unix to ultimately become a Unix
>system administrator. I've got copies of FreeBSD 4.4 (&Lite) and Linux
>RedHat 7. I'd like to get some advice on a strategy to take to get into the
>Unix Administration field.
>
>Does anyone have any opinion/documentation on whether focusing on FreeBSD
>would be better than studying Linux (RH or other form)? I'm interested in
>focusing on Unix-oriented info that's applicable to the largest number of
>Unix-like OSes, since there are so many of them out there.
>
>Would it be a smart move to master the command-line commands, and then worry
>about the GUIs later?
>
>Are the commands in Linux pretty much the same as in other Unix systems,
>like FreeBSD, Solaris, SVR4, SCO and AIX?
>
>Any help/advice/websites would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
>
>--
>
>
>...................................................
>Bryant C Charleston
>A+ Network + MCP MCSE (NT4)
>
>
Make your own judgements.
We're betting that you'll end up using Linux.
I've already been around the block a couple of times.
Come back and see us when your finished.
Charlie
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: My long signature
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 28 Feb 2001 01:17:02 GMT
On Tue, 27 Feb 2001 14:45:15 GMT, Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Fuck you all
>The signature will continue to grow at a rate of 1 user per day from now
>on until you all get over it
>This is your punishment for dissing me
Hey I don't have a problem with your sig, and enjoy your posts Aaron.
>
>
>Aaron R. Kulkis
>Unix Systems Engineer
>DNRC Minister of all I survey
>ICQ # 3056642
>
>L: "mooo" is yet another anonymous coward who does nothing
> but write stupid nonsense about his intellectual superiors.
Moo is a jerk.
Terry
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From: Johannes Bauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What the hell is MS thinking?
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 02:19:54 +0100
>Since I don't know what you want to do, it is difficult to answer these
>questions. More info would be needed.
Rhetorical questions do not to be answered. I could also have stated:
"I do not need a GUI to have a server running".
>Hardly. Windows is not a version of Linux. Our W2k terminal server is not
Really? Win is not a version of Linux? Damn thanks for telling! I
always thought it was just X11 running on those machines. If you
didn't get the irony by now I make it clearer: Windows is a
dummed-down OS that tries to be as functional as Linux.
>Hardly. Windows is not a version of Linux. Our W2k terminal server is not
>unstable.
If your machine is so stable then go enter it in the Uptimes project
(www.uptimes.net). Take a look at the stats while you're on it.
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From: Brent R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c
Subject: Re: [OT] .sig
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 01:24:03 GMT
Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>
> Richard Heathfield wrote:
> >
> > Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> > >
> > > When I'm overseas, I blend in very well with the locals.
> >
> > Usenet is a foreign country. Everything you post here is readable all
> > over the world.
>
> That's not my problem.
>
> >
> > > I observe
> > > the local customs for behavior, and observe local laws.
> >
> > Usenet has local customs for behaviour. comp.lang.c has local customs
> > for behaviour. You seem to be prepared to ignore those with carefree
> > abandon.
>
> Then quit posting to comp.os.linux.advocacy, retard.
Ok, look I'm going to end this argument once and for all. This post was
CROSS-POSTED by the original sender. So both you, Richard, and I are
responsible for not removing comp.lang.c from the destination field, and
whatever the implications are thereof.
Sorry to be singling you out but I just wanted to make it a moot topic.
--
Happy Trails!
-Brent
http://rotten168.home.att.net
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: I will now perform a neat trick
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 01:24:29 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>
>
>The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>>
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Clamchu
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote
>> on Tue, 27 Feb 2001 11:04:04 -0500
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> >Watch closely:
>> >
>> >Kulkis is a shit-head.
>>
>> Uh huh.
>>
>> And this advances the cause of Linux precisely how?
>>
>> I still want someone to count the number of fleas on Planet Earth
>> and then prove that that count is less substantive than arguing
>> about a participant's signature's length in c.o.l.a.
>>
>> (I'd do my part, but I don't have fleas or a pet. :-) )
>>
>> >
>> >There. A. Kulkis' .sig will now grow in size to at least 3 more lines.
>>
>> Heh. Well good luck; judging from his .sig, it takes truly inspired
>> idiocy to be enshrined therein. :-) Mere run of the mill moronity
>> doesn't make the cut.
>
>True.
>
>Chad Meyers and Erik Funkenbusch STILL haven't made it in yet.
>
>
>>
>> [.sigsnip]
>>
>> --
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
>> EAC code #191 22d:19h:25m actually running Linux.
>> Linux. The choice of a GNU generation.
>
>--
>Aaron R. Kulkis
>Unix Systems Engineer
>DNRC Minister of all I survey
>ICQ # 3056642
>
M: Chad Myers is a total asshole.
L: Erik Fukenbush doesn't know what .NET is!
Mr. Kulkis.
Do these two have to drive a school bus off a cliff to
be finally imortalized sir?
>K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
>
>J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
>I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
>H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
>G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
>
>F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
>E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
>D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
>C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
>B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
>A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
Charlie
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From: Johannes Bauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What the hell is MS thinking?
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 02:20:31 +0100
>If Windows ever reached such a level of sophistication, I would
>quit hounding Microshaft.
You're right. I compared the one and only OS to Windows. This is just
wrong. I am sorry. I am truly sorry. I shall hereby summon Phil, the
Prince of Insufficient Light to darn me to heck (little reference to
www.dilbert.com).
Cheers!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave Vandervies)
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c
Subject: Re: [OT] .sig
Date: 28 Feb 2001 00:59:53 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Richard Heathfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Dave Vandervies wrote:
>>
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> Richard Heathfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> >In Usenet, it's not difficult to spot clueless Americans.
>>
>> I'm not sure I agree with this. Clueless people in general are easy to
>> spot, but often it's difficult to tell whether someone (clueless or not)
>> is American or not unless they're obnoxiously proud of it one way or
>> the other.
>>
>> (After all, I've been mistaken for an American...)
>
>You mean you're not one?
No, I'm Canadian, and the only thing I have in common with a lot of
Americans is that I'm forced to share a continent with them. (No,
I don't speak the same language; it may have the same name, but it's
a very different dialect at the very least.)
(I'd've thought it was obvious from the .ca in my email address, but...)
><snip>
>
>> Never offend with style when you can offend with substance.
>
>:-)
'Tis very good advice, actually. I try to follow it whenever possible.
(I'm not quite sure whether quoting it was intended to be a comment on
your comment about me being American, though, so I might as well err on
the side of caution and set the record straight.)
dave
--
Dave Vandervies
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by ignorance.
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From: "Bryant Charleston, MCSE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Breaking into the Unix field: FreeBSD vs Linux (RH7)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 01:30:36 GMT
I've just spoken to a Solaris rep and he showed me the link to their site
where Solaris 8 can be purchased. He says it's essentially an improved
Version 7, which is quite popular from what I've been able to ascertain.
There's a n X86 version ($75 -- not TOO expensive, just like you said). I
think this is it!
Thanks for the advice (from all of you)!
"Paul Colquhoun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Tue, 27 Feb 2001 19:01:47 -0500, Masha Ku'Inanna
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> |
> |> I'm going to begin familiarizing myself w/Unix to ultimately become a
Unix
> |> system administrator. I've got copies of FreeBSD 4.4 (&Lite) and Linux
> |> RedHat 7. I'd like to get some advice on a strategy to take to get into
> |the
> |> Unix Administration field.
> |>
> |
> |Focus on the BSDs if you wish to learn UNIX, only because they are a
direct
> |evolution from UNIX(tm). Some call BSD UNIX, and this is subject to
debate
> |by others. All the UNIX variants out there are descended from AT&T's
> |original implimentation, and/or Berkley's variant. Some mix features of
> |both. Linux is a clone of UNIX, a work-alike, and never contained UNIX
code
> |and was never directly descended from UNIX.
>
>
> True, from a lawyers perspective. Linux has (almost) all of the POSIX
API's
> and is closer to most mainstream Unix varient (such as Solaris) than BSD
is,
> from a SysAdmin perspective.
>
> This is mainly to do with the startup sequences, and how starting
additional
> software at boot time is handled.
>
>
> |Besides, the BSDs run Linux binaries.
> |
> |You'll also get to see two different "open-source" licenses. Linux
requires
> |your source code be made publically available, if it is GPL'ed, whereas
the
> |BSD one does not. In that sense, the BSD is considered by some to be the
> |truly "free" license, because it does not tell you what you should or
should
> |not do with your work.
>
>
> If it is your work, you can do what you like with it. The licenses tell
you
> what you can do with *somebody* *elses* work. If you want to make
improvements
> to another piece of software, then you need to look at the license. Just
using
> the software should be no problem.
>
>
> |Linux is stable. FreeBSD is considered more stable by order of magnitude.
> |NetBSD is considered to be the most cross-platform version. OpenBSD is
> |considered the most secure OS in the world.
> |
> |> Does anyone have any opinion/documentation on whether focusing on
FreeBSD
> |> would be better than studying Linux (RH or other form)? I'm interested
in
> |> focusing on Unix-oriented info that's applicable to the largest number
of
> |> Unix-like OSes, since there are so many of them out there.
>
>
> Check out Solaris as well. You can get a non-commercial use copy from Sun
> (both SPARC and x86 versions) for minimal cost.
>
>
> --
> Reverend Paul Colquhoun, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Universal Life Church http://andor.dropbear.id.au/~paulcol
> -=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-
> xenaphobia: The fear of being beaten to a pulp by
> a leather-clad, New Zealand woman.
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From: "Bryant Charleston, MCSE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,alt.unix.alt.unix.geeks,comp.unix.sys5,comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.solaris,alt.solaris.x86,comp.unix.aix,csu.unix.aix,comp.unix.sco,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Breaking into the Unix field: FreeBSD vs Linux (RH7)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 01:32:05 GMT
I've found that RH7 was very easy to install (did it last night), but
w/Solaris 8, I have an inexpensive oppurtunity to train under something
extremely close to Solaris 7. It seems like the best choice at this point.
"Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <qRVm6.108$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Sphinx367 wrote:
> >I'm going to begin familiarizing myself w/Unix to ultimately become a
Unix
> >system administrator. I've got copies of FreeBSD 4.4 (&Lite) and Linux
> >RedHat 7. I'd like to get some advice on a strategy to take to get into
the
> >Unix Administration field.
> >
> >Does anyone have any opinion/documentation on whether focusing on FreeBSD
> >would be better than studying Linux (RH or other form)? I'm interested in
> >focusing on Unix-oriented info that's applicable to the largest number of
> >Unix-like OSes, since there are so many of them out there.
> >
> >Would it be a smart move to master the command-line commands, and then
worry
> >about the GUIs later?
> >
> >Are the commands in Linux pretty much the same as in other Unix systems,
> >like FreeBSD, Solaris, SVR4, SCO and AIX?
> >
> >Any help/advice/websites would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
> >
> >--
> >
> >
> >...................................................
> >Bryant C Charleston
> >A+ Network + MCP MCSE (NT4)
> >
> >
>
> Make your own judgements.
>
> We're betting that you'll end up using Linux.
>
> I've already been around the block a couple of times.
>
> Come back and see us when your finished.
>
> Charlie
>
>
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From: Brent R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c
Subject: Re: [OT] .sig
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 01:34:24 GMT
Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>
> Ben Pfaff wrote:
> >
> > Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > What part of United States Army do you not understand?
> > >
> > > The US Army defends the US Constitution, which secures my right,
> > > by virtue of being in the US, to say anything I damn well please
> > > on USENET or any other place.
> >
> > [Snip other nonsense]
> >
> > Wonderful. Only a week or so after I empty my killfile, another
> > fuckhead Ugly American prick shows up.
> >
>
> I am acting within my rights as spelled out in the US Constitution
> for ANY person on American soil. *THAT* is American culture.
>
> Conversely *WHEN* I am overseas, I abide by local laws.
>
> As I am, right now, sitting quite serenely well within the
> borders of the United States, I will damn well behave accordingly.
>
> If you don't like it, you can go fuck yourself.
>
> > *plonk*
> >
> > > --
> > [snip absurd 52-line signature]
> >
Aaron, people are just asking you out of politeness to trim your .sig.
Personally, what bothers me is the derogatory and nasty tone of it. I've
never put anybody on killfile and I don't want to start. It's just a
*request* out of politeness.
--
Happy Trails!
-Brent
http://rotten168.home.att.net
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From: Brent R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c
Subject: Re: [OT] .sig
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 01:36:40 GMT
chrisv wrote:
>
> Robert Stankowic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Man,
> >obviously you are too stupid to understand that usenet is an
> >_international_ medium. Your stupid posts arrive at _my_ computer in
> >_my_ country and I feel offended.
>
> Then
> don't
> read
> them.
>
> >*plonk*
>
> Hey, you finally figured it out!
>
> Now, isn't that better than having everyone's right suppressed and
> speech censored, just so you never have to exercise YOUR right to use
> your head and delete the post or change the channel or whatever?
What in nine hells are you talking about? They just asked him to tin-can
the sig.
God I'm getting really sick of this thread.
--
Happy Trails!
-Brent
http://rotten168.home.att.net
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From: Brent R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c
Subject: Re: [OT] .sig
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 01:38:06 GMT
Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>
> Schism wrote:
> >
> > Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> > >
> > > Joona I Palaste wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Richard Heathfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> scribbled the following
> > > > on comp.lang.c:
> > > > > Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Peter Pichler wrote:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > >> and as such has a God-given Right to do whatever the
> > > > >> > >> hell he likes (e.g. appending 1708 bytes of yahoo rant to all
> > > > >> > >> his Usenet postings), however annoying and inconvenient it may
> > > > >> > >> be for the rest of us.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >And not only that, but I serve in the military to defend
> > > > >> > >that right.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > You must be /realy/ proud.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Are you trying to imply that defending your country is somehow
> > > > >> an ignoble thing to do?
> > > >
> > > > > No, he's trying to imply that being a complete bozo is an ignoble thing
> > > > > to do. Learn to read for comprehension.
> > > >
> > > > And by the way, Aaron - "defending your country" does not qualify as a
> > > > reason.
> > >
> > > What part of United States Army do you not understand?
> > >
> > > The US Army defends the US Constitution, which secures my right,
> > > by virtue of being in the US, to say anything I damn well please
> > > on USENET or any other place.
> >
> > Not true there, sporto. Libel, harassment, threatening to kill the
> > president, and many other things you can get you into trouble on
> > USENET/IRC or wherever else you think you're safe online.
>
> Which of those offenses have I committed here on USENET?
None, he was just disproving your point.
--
Happy Trails!
-Brent
http://rotten168.home.att.net
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Mircosoft Tax
Reply-To: bobh = haucks dot org
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 01:43:42 GMT
On Tue, 27 Feb 2001 13:50:11 -0600, Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>"Bob Hauck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On 27 Feb 2001 05:27:50 GMT, Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >> Because unit volume is much higher now than it was in 1995 and software
>> >> development costs are independent of volume.
>> >
>> > How much higher ?
>>
>> I don't know the exact figures. But PC makers and MS have been
>> reporting annual increases of 20% or more for ten years now.
>
>Umm.. that would mean the price has risen over 200% in the last 10
>years.
Uh, no, it would mean that the price could have fallen to half of the
original. The point I made to Donovan was that development costs for an
OS are independent of volume (to a first approximation). Thus the
selling price should decrease as volume increases.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: "2 + 2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Java Platform Monopoly (Was: Re: Judge Harry Edwards comments....
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 20:46:25 -0500
Charlie Ebert wrote in message ...
>In article <97hba2$jci$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>If we consider an OS as a framework and an execution engine, then the Java
>>Platform IS that new monopoly, and Sun's fondest dream.
>>
>>Except this OS is a web middleware OS.
>>
>>Consider: it is widely said that Microsoft's old desktop monopoly is
>>"history," to be replaced by high powered servers running devices so you
can
>>take your desktop with you.
>>
>>Ever hear this? Multitudes of posters suddenly have amnesia. :)
>>
>>How can an OS that is "history" be a monopoly, when part of the definition
>>of a monopoly is that it can prevent competition?
>>
>>What is the competition that it cannot prevent? Hooking up to the web via
>>various middleware. An OS with no web connection has no market. An OS with
>>web connections, ie middleware, is transformed into a Network OS (NOS).
>>
>>The new Network OS has as its underlying "platform" a web-centric
framework
>>and execution engine. Ever hear of the Java Platform? How about the .NET
>>Platform?
>>
>>For technical analysis, the posters have suddenly become the famous, "hear
>>no evil, see no evil, speak no evil" trio.
>>
>>Gentlemen, start you engines: let the toadying begin.
>>
>>2 + 2
>>
>>
>
>The Bell Companies became Companies when they cornered the market.
>There was no other phone company to use.
>
>Microsoft has done so much the same thing.
The desktop monopoly may be a thing of the past.
However, to the extent, that it is still a monopoly, the DoJ/Jackson remedy
leaves the OS monopoly intact.
>
>Your paying for Windows on that New PC even if you didn't intend to
>use it. Your paying for Windows on that new hard drive for your PC,
>even if you didn't want it.
Per processor licensing was banned.
>
>The advent of the WIN products such as Win printers, Win Modems, Win
>eithernet interfaces, WIN scanners! Unless you run Windows you
>can't buy the product and use it!
>
>Microsoft is attempting to corner the internet with .NET!
>If you don't run .NET your not going to use the internet!
A web developer is more likely to be trapped into using the Java Platform.
.NET is in beta.
Without the .NET Platform, there is no competition to the Java Platform.
>
>That's another @WW highjack of your freedoms and your rights to
>competitive marketplace!
>
>What were OTHER vendors of word processors told when Microsoft
>came up with their OWN proprietary format for storing Word and
>Excel documents! They were told they couldn't have the secret
>to reading the file! Again! If you've invested heavily in
>one product such as Office for you company's infrastructure your
>STUCK THERE. They find it too expensive to move off.
Sounds like the Java Platform, except you are stuck with using the language.
Everyone wants to be the next Microsoft.
>
>And what of you the consumer when your vendor sends you the
>information written in WORD as an e-mail attachment! Again,
>you have to use Windows to do business with them or you go
>elsewhere!
>
>Microsoft if using every corporation in America to help enforce
>THEIR philosophy on a non-competitive marketplace @WW.
>
>And there was no reason for this either!
>
>Anyone who attempts to compete with Microsoft, Netscape, Corel,
>Borland,,, they all just get crushed as they are not given the
>same API's to write their software with as Microsoft has.
>They are not given the information to share with Microsoft to
>be competitive! Not even in file formats!
>
>If Microsoft manages to save itself from this court ordered breakup
>then I have to ask the question, why are we bothering to go after
>organized crime in this country at all.
>
>Why don't we just let the Mafia run everything and resign all our
>rights as US citizens, just at the REPUBLICANS EXPECT YOU TO DO!
You are definitely at the cutting edge. Except I don't know exactly what
cutting edge it is. :)
>
>They may be against gun control but they appearently don't see
>anything wrong with infringing on the right to free speech, AKA
>write your own software in a free manner, and also they see
>nothing wrong with allowing monopolies to thrive at the expense
>of the U.S. Citizens.
>
>What a dramatic change in our nation!
>
>Standard Oil.
>
>Charlie
>
>
>
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