Linux-Advocacy Digest #541, Volume #34 Wed, 16 May 01 03:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux in Retail & Hospitality - What Every Retailer Should Know (Salvador
Peralta)
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! (Charlie Ebert)
Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Microsoft Admits To Backdoor In IIS [updated] ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: linux too slow to emulate Microsoft ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: OT Movies ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Anecdote: MS' grip loosening ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: The Economist and Open-Source ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: Salvador Peralta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux in Retail & Hospitality - What Every Retailer Should Know
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 23:24:46 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mlw on Monday 14 May 2001 21:00:
>> It's at its peak now and it's barely touched the market.
>
> Why would you say it is at it's peak? All evidence I can see is that
> it is just starting to hit mainstream quite favorably.
Agreed. What we've seen with Linux thus far is just the tip of the
iceberg. This isn't a case like with BeOS or Mac where linux is
having trouble courting developers or garnering support within large
organizations.
Notwithstanding Chad's wishful thinking to the contrary, it hasn't
even hit it's started to hit it's stride as a consumer OS.
That said, I don't think that Linux will attain Windows level of
marketshare in the near future. Well, unless Microsoft does
something crazy and implements an even more draconian licensing
policy that forces users to repurchase software that they've already
paid for every 3 years, or worse, tries to force them to pay a
monthly bill for software services.
Doh!
--
Salvador Peralta -o)
Currently enjoying Tcl and Tk / \
[EMAIL PROTECTED] _\_v
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 06:17:24 GMT
In article <oblM6.61559$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chad Myers wrote:
>
>"Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>> Microsoft has a policy of just deleting things when it becomes a problem!
>>
>> Yes Microsoft does. Microsoft, the Wintrolls, Wintroll Management,
>> Wintroll Administration
>> all have policies of just deleting things which get in their way!
>>
>> Remember the I-LOVE-YOU virus?
>> When that blew thru town and wiped out our network
>> it was decided to cripple our internet services by denying E-mail attachments.
>
>And I suppose that you have some type of miracle cure that prevents users
>from opening attachments with viruses?
>
Of course fool. By using a secure operating system in the
first place an E-mail virus not only can't trash out the
OS core but it can't get at your address book.
Linux provides this, Microsoft doesn't.
>> So our E-business was crippled because of it.
>
>Because you couldn't send email attachments? What kind of eBusiness is this?
>I haven't seen too many eBusinesses rely upon email attachments as the crux
>of thier profitability.
>
Well, You'd have to work for one first before you'd know.
>> And when the IIS server was being attacked by worms, they recommended you
>> disable even more services to prevent the problem.
>
>As opposed to the Unix mentality which is "open more services!"?
>Not quite. It is common on both Unix and Windows to restrict services
>that are unnecessary. This is certainly not new in the Unix world, and not
>different in the NT/2K world either.
>
This paragraph is completely foolish. UNIX doesn't open up a shit
pile of services like Windows does in the first place.
Second, you'll never see some secret back door sewed into your
operating system with an appology not and instructions for some
.dll to delete to close it.
>> And when we discovered there was a new backdoor, we were again asked to
>> delete a particular .DLL program to eliminate the problem.
>
>Which no one uses anymore anyhow.
>
What? Are we saying that Microsoft doesn't use .dll's
in IIS? Are we saying they didn't give out instructions
to delete a certain .dll to close an illegal backdoor
they put in every IIS server in the universe?
Secondly, how do you not use something anymore when it's
on the CD which install the fucking system Chad?
Do you just have to remember to delete it every time
your server craps out and you need to reinstall?
Thirdly, why is Microsoft shipping an OS with an illegal
.dll which allows illegal entry into your corporation
in the first place?
Fourthly, since MS has given instructions to delete this
.dll to close the security breach, what other function
did it have to support IIS? If you took a car engine
and just arbitrarily threw away a piston it would
hurt the cars performance and or usability?
I think what we've learned in the last few days is
conclusive proof that Microsoft is a criminal
organization up to no good. I also wonder who else
has knowledge of this secret access and why.
>> When people complain about the lousy rotten service Microsoft provides
>> our company, they are deleted.
>
>What? LOOK OUT! BLACK HELIOCOPTERS!
>
No no no. Your not pulling this fucking shit on us again
Chad. You could get away with this mindless dribble last
year when the question was up in the air. But now that
Microsoft has admitted it put an illegal backdoor into
every IIS server in the planet, you can no longer pull
this baby crap on us.
And YES, the company jumps handsprings to defend MS's
for what ever strange reason. Since class action
suits have been authorized against Microsoft now
for these kinds of violations, it is without saying
that companies who continue to run MS products now
that they have been proven insecure - even by admission
of Microsoft Corporation - are equally liable under
the law.
So if a batch of credit cards or some other kind of
financial information got stolen from an IIS server
due to this kind of negligence, the company running
the server is a duly responsible party under the
law and will have to pay the damanges.
>> When ever you suggest a SANE interface to Windows, you end up getting Deleted!
>
>? You mean something like X windows? ROFL...
>
>-c
>
I wonder what ever got you into the mode of not spelling your
name anymore. -c = Chad Myers.
Well, I can't blame you. I wouldn't sign my name to any of this
shit you typed back either. It's quickly changing from
a debate over whether MS is ciminal to why are you still
fucking doing business with a criminal organization.
And appearently via this class action ruling the courts agree.
--
Charlie
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 18:25:02 +1200
> Have what issues? I have no issues. yes, I paid for the CALs - yep, sure
> > did.
>
> Boy, did you get ripped off.
>
> You could have bout a FLEET of Sun systems with that....and one Sun
> desktop machine can do the work of 10 Mafia$oft servers.
>
> > But everything works perfectly. I get what I pay for and it works
> > BETTER than anything else with the Windows desktops it supports. You have
> > given me no reason why I'd want to switch to using unix to support windows
> > desktops other than the upfront, one time purchase cost (and forgetting it
> > costs more to support a unix server cause it's harder to configure and
> > operate)
>
> Solaris is only difficult to administrate for COMPLETE MORONS like you, Jan.
All admin can be done through a browser, or if you are using Solaris on the
client, use the special Java based admin program. Whats so hard about that?
nothing. Aaron, also consider that Jan is a mear office clerk who uses Word and
Windows, and because she can install Windows from scratch that somehow makes her
an admin.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Microsoft Admits To Backdoor In IIS [updated]
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 02:21:42 -0400
Neil Cerutti wrote:
>
> Chronos Tachyon posted:
> >On Mon 14 May 2001 05:10, Roy Culley wrote:
> >
> >> http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/entrepreneur.html?
> >> s=smallbiz/articles/20010514/microsoft_ackno
> >>
> >> Is there no end to this company's negligence?
> >
> >This is old news, a rehash of the "!seineew era sreenigne epacsteN"
> >backdoor in FrontPage extensions.
>
> Is a silly message embedded in a binary equivalent to a backdoor?
Uh, dipsht, when you have a built-in, hard coded PASSWORD,
that's the ***DEFINITION*** of a back door.
> Don't lie to me, 'cause I've seen War Games and I'll know.
>
> --
> Neil Cerutti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: linux too slow to emulate Microsoft
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 02:25:57 -0400
"Doug Ransom (usenet)" wrote:
>
> But is is soooo useful than linux is basicaly obsolete.
>
> Linux is obsolete without a competetive run time object model to the common
> language runtime.
Buzzwords, Buzzwords, and not a coherent thought to be found.
Object-oriented programming is more hype than useful.
>
> > "mmnnoo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:4KDL6.72736$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > In article <5ApL6.80$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Tom Wilson"
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > <snip>
> > > > Actually, if compiler manufacturers had agreed on a common name
> mangling
> > > > scheme, most of what it offers wouldn't have been a neccesity. Common,
> > > > set-in-stone interfaces are a good idea, also. I'm far from a
> Microsoft
> > > > fan, but I have to admit COM has its' strong points particularly with
> > > > distributed aplications.
> > > <snip>
> > >
> > > What did COM do for distributed applications? Nothing! Maybe you mean
> > > DCOM. I never used that because it was 'in the works' the whole time I
> > > was developing for windows. Corba would have met our needs very well,
> but
> > > instead we just waited and waited for the unfulfilled promise of DCOM.
> >
> > It took long enough to become even marginally usefull, to be sure. Its'
> not
> > too bad now. (And its' also the only thing you can use for that platform
> and
> > expect to work)
> >
> >
--
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Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 18:22:10 +1200
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > >
> > > Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Chad Myers wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > > If any company saw a benefit in using Linux to up their scores for their
> > > > > > > product, it would've been used long ago.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sun, IBM, BEA, HP, and Compaq all could stand to gain if they could get
> > > > > > > better results in the TPC. Obviously, they've determined that Linux
>doesn't
> > > > > > > offer this, so therefore there's no incentive to pay millions of dollars
> > > > > > > if you know it's going to fail.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -c
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > Ever admined a SUN box? or an IBM Mainframe?
> > > > >
> > > > > How is this relevant to posting scores using Linux on the TPC?
> > > > >
> > > > > -c
> > > > Obviously by that response you are a sad little individual who is still
> > > > pissed off that they did not have the intellect to pass a UNIX admin
> > > > course. How come Work and Income New Zealand uses HP-UX servers? why
> > > > does the New Zealand Stock Exchange uses a s/390 mainframe?
> > >
> > > Um...they weren't smart enough to figure out how to get Lose2k to perform
> > > as advertised...and thus decided to go with the HP-UX and s/390 systems
> > > that are within their abilities to manage.
> > >
> > Just had to add, Work and Income New Zealand use Linux for their
> > website, and the NZSE use Linux for mail, webservers and other tasks.
> >
> > Don't you mean they were smart enough to see behind the MS bullshit and
> > went with proven technologies.
>
> Exactly.
>
>
Also, the CEO of Work and Income New Zealand is accountable to the State Services
Commission. The CEO is on a 3 year contract, fails to live up to the contract, its
terminated at the end. Someone in that position would not do something stupid like
tendering out there mission critical operations to the likes of the Wintel cronies.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OT Movies
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 02:28:44 -0400
Julester wrote:
>
> Sorry, gotta jump in here. My personal favorite is the old Star Trek
> episodes where I'd swear they used floppies once in a while.
>
> Actually, along the same lines, did you ever notice when they would show a
> battle scene or something on the space craft viewer, it was usually a shot
> that would be "technically impossible" due to the angle ? As if an
> independent camera was out in space taking the shot ? Go figure...no more
> Trakkie conventions for me...what a jip <lol>
You misspelled "_D_rekkie"
>
> Jules
>
> "Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9dn3h0$j13uj$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, 11 May 2001 22:18:04 -0400, mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >I would love, just once, a movie show a real data center. Cluttered
> > > >wires, non-color coordinated boxes. Things impossible to find, not
> > > >because of security, but because of simple complexity.
> > > >
> > > >That would be cool.
> > >
> > > I would just like to see, once, a real computer in a movie. Not those
> > > moronic
> > > throwback to the 50's hollywood imaginations. Even if they show a real
> > > laptop, they have some silly need to have text displayed at 50 baud with
> > > beeping or card
> > > reader noises. I laughed myself blue when I saw an anderson-jacobson
> (?)
> > > 110 baud modem in "war games" (I think) enhanced with strings of
> christmas
> > > lights.
> > >
> > >
> > > Oooo! Flashing lights and beeping! It must be thinking!
> >
> > I like the way alien technology can be brought down with an apple-mac
> virus
> > (independence day).
> >
> >
> >
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Anecdote: MS' grip loosening
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 02:24:32 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On Mon, 14 May 2001 18:21:42 +0000, "Gary Hallock"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Yea but can they run the Tivoli Agent (also known as spyware supreme)
> >> under Unix?
> >>
> >> Gary Hallock should be able to tell you all about Tivoli Agent :) :)
> >
> >Unix, yes. Linux - I'm not sure. You could hop on over to
> >www.tivoli.com and find out. Tivoli does support Linux for some
> >products (you have to remember who owns Tivoli these days).
> >
> >Gary
>
> Oh I know......
>
> I also know that Tivoli Agent is a required program on certain company
> employees laptops these days.
>
> I'll give ya a piece of advice:
>
> Install ZoneAlarm Pro and see how many times and what your T-20 is
> spitting out when you are on the "ring".
>
> Courtesy of Tivoli I might add.
>
> Better hide those Brittany Spears pictures :)
Why are you downloading that shit at work?
>
> flatfish
--
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Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Economist and Open-Source
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 02:30:03 -0400
Charles Lyttle wrote:
>
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> >
> > "Charles Lyttle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Roy Culley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > In article <sShL6.647$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > > > "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > They have to regression test each patch thoroughly before releasing
> > it.
> > > > > > With Linux, someone will hack a quick fix together and release it,
> > not
> > > > > > caring a bit about testing it. Then, as the developers have time,
> > they
> > > > > > create a decent fix, which happens in about the same timeframe that
> > MS
> > > > > > takes.
> > > > >
> > > > > Then why are so many security bugs reported in bugtraq due to
> > Microsoft
> > > > > patches? Regression testing indeed. I would say that there are about
> > > > > 25% patches to previous patches reported by Microsoft on bugtraq.
> > > >
> > > > Regression testing only tells you if you've recreated a previous bug,
> > not if
> > > > you've created a new one.
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps if you understood what "regression" means, you'd know that.
> > > I know what regression testing means. If it doesn't catch new bugs
> > > introduced by your change, you did the test wrong. I get really ticked
> > > at people who think they can get away with just doing a minimal test(the
> > > code compiles and the old bug didn't show up in 10minutes) and call it
> > > regression test.
> >
> > Why would a new bug show up in a regression test? Personally, I think that
> > if you catch a new bug in a regression test, you're either lucky, or not
> > performing the regression test correctly.
> >You can't detect the bug unless you're looking for it.
> ----------------------^-------------------------------
> |
> BINGO
>
> Regression tests look for bugs just like all other tests. You just don't
> run the full suite of tests and concentrate on the area changed *and its
> interactions with other software components*. You can't possibly test
> every path through a program affected by a change. I always try to
> include in the subset chosen for testing some remote and subtle paths
> through the program. I am very happy if the test result clears the fixed
> bug and finds a new one, not introduced by the fix. If the fix
> introduces a new bug it is rejected.
This is why the Mafia$oft methodology of "Large, Monolithic App" is fucked up.
>
> >
> > Sure, you can test your inputs and outputs, but that won't tell you if you
> > Lotus notes is gonna break because it assumes that a return value means
> > something it's not documented to mean.
>
> --
> Russ Lyttle
> "World Domination through Penguin Power"
> The Universal Automotive Testset Project at
> <http://home.earthlink.net/~lyttlec>
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Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
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K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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