Linux-Advocacy Digest #822, Volume #32 Thu, 15 Mar 01 16:13:07 EST
Contents:
Re: What does IQ measure? (WesTralia)
Re: Macintosh as an alternative to Windows?? ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Virus plague causes charity to consider Linux (Dave Martel)
Re: WOW - This is Interesting ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: WOW - This is Interesting ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: What does IQ measure? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: How Microsoft Crushes the Hearts of Trolls. (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Mircosoft Tax (T. Max Devlin)
Re: .Net to run on Linux ("Mart van de Wege")
Re: What does IQ measure? (WesTralia)
Re: What does IQ measure? (Anonymous)
Re: .Net to run on Linux (Brian Langenberger)
Re: GPL Like patents. (Roberto Alsina)
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From: WesTralia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What does IQ measure?
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 13:16:37 -0600
Chad Everett wrote:
>
> Your lengthy signature is the most annoying thing I've seen on
> USENET for some time.
>
Yeah, but the real grabber is that he is anti-Microsoft, yet posts
from a Microsoft box and calls himself a "Unix Systems Engineer."
Gotta love it!
> On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >Translation: The cowardly one who won't even put a name to his words
> >recognizes that his ass is getting soundly whipped to such a degree
> >that the skin is starting to shred.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >Aaron R. Kulkis
> >Unix Systems Engineer
> >DNRC Minister of all I survey
> >ICQ # 3056642
> >
> >K: Truth in advertising:
> > Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
> > Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
> > Special Interest Sierra Club,
> > Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> > Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> > The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> > Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
> >
> >
> >J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> > The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> > also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
> >
> >I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> > challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> > between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> > Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
> >
> >H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> > premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> > you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> > you are lazy, stupid people"
> >
> >G: Knackos...you're a retard.
> >
> >
> >F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> > adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
> >
> >E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> > her behavior improves.
> >
> >D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> > ...despite (C) above.
> >
> >C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
> >
> >B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> > method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> > direction that she doesn't like.
> >
> >A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Macintosh as an alternative to Windows??
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 13:20:31 -0600
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > You act like MS *WANTED* there to be a Windows 95. They didn't. They
would
> > have much rather had you switch to NT back in 93 than maintain two OS's
for
> > another 8 years.
>
> Yeah, yeah....exactly WHO twisted Gates' and Ballmer's arms to get them
> to conceive, develop, ballyhoo, send payola and "leaks" to columnists,
> and release LoseDOS 9x
>
> WHO?!?!?!
>
> Be precise.
That would be the same people that put guns to peoples heads to make them
buy Windows.
In business you often have to do things you don't want to, because the
alternative would be corporate suicide.
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From: Dave Martel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Virus plague causes charity to consider Linux
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:14:49 -0700
On Thu, 15 Mar 2001 13:00:31 -0600, "Erik Funkenbusch"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Your comment would indicate that they *DID* switch. The article says only
>that they're "considering", and even if the IT director does decide to
>switch, that doesn't mean that those on the board of directors will agree.
Reading the rest of the article, it sounds like a foregone conclusion
to me but you're welcome to your own opinion. What I thought was of
more interest was their reasons for considering the switch. Not all of
those are mentioned in my brief quote. Unlike some people here, I
don't like to cost a website vistors by stealing their articles
wholesale. It's sufficient to post just enough so people will know if
they want to go read the whole thing.
>
>"Dave Martel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Another one bites the dust!
>>
>> =====================================================
>>
>> <http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/8/17629.html>
>>
>> By: John Leyden
>> Posted: 15/03/2001 at 16:09 GMT
>>
>>
>> "...The poverty relief organisation, which operates in 30 countries,
>> is on the brink of the move after becoming increasing fed up with the
>> effort needed to deal with recent virus outbreaks, and suffering
>> infection from the Emmanuel bug"
>>
>> "Kerry Scott, IT director at Action Aid, said the effect of viruses on
>> the charity had pushed him to consider using Linux far more seriously
>> after initial reservations about the availability of suitable
>> applications, particularly word processing packages..."
>>
>
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: WOW - This is Interesting
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 13:30:06 -0600
"Donn Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> > That's because Linux is incapable of reporting an uptime larger than 479
> > days, even if it is up longer than that.
>
> So, where is this piece of code in the Linux kernel that makes the
> uptime counter reset after 479 days? Maybe it's a couple of *pieces*
> (instead of piece) of code.
It's not any piece of code. It's a variable that overflows and cycles back
to 0.
Look, you might not believe me, but Netcraft themselves state it. Solaris
has the same problem.
http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/accuracy.html
"HP-UX, Linux, Solaris and recent releases of FreeBSD also cycle back to
zero after 497 days."
My mistake, it's 497 days, not 479.
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: WOW - This is Interesting
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 13:34:13 -0600
"Chronos Tachyon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
message news:T46s6.8693$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On 14 Mar 2001 15:18:28 -0700, Craig Kelley wrote:
>
> > Nico Coetzee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/today/top.avg.html
> > >
> > > FreeBSD seems to be my next web platform !!!
> > >
> > > I don't know how often the updates are run, but now (Wednesday, 14
March
> > > 2001, 22:22 GMT+2) FreeBSD had all of the first 20 places!
> > >
> > > Out of 50, it claimed 47 sites with the longest uptime. M$ does not
> > > feature, but I miss Linux from that list even more!
> > >
> > > So, what makes FreeBSD that different from Linux? Can it be that the
> > > sites mentioned has low volumes?
> > >
> > > Just wondering...
> >
> > Well, considering that many Linux boxes were recently rebooted to get
> > the new 2.4 kernel... :)
> >
>
> Actually, there's a bit more to it than that. Netcraft isn't telling
> anyone how they're getting their uptime information, but a recent
> discussion on Bugtraq suggests that it uses the fact that many OSes
> implement the TCP Timestamping option as the number of ticks since the
last
> reboot, where "ticks" is specific to the OS. An OS with higher ticks/sec
> will overflow the counter more quickly, and thus will not report as
> accurate of an uptime. Here's a table of rollover dates (copied from a
> Bugtraq post by [EMAIL PROTECTED]):
>
> OS Ticks/sec Rollover time
> 4.4BSD 2 34 years, 8 days, 17:27:27
> Solaris 2 10 6 years, 293 days, 22:53:00
> Linux 2.2+ 100 248 days, 13:13:56
> Cisco IOS 1000 24 days, 20:31:23
>
> So, as you can see, Netcraft cannot accurately measure the uptime of a
> Linux box that has been running for longer than 248 days.
The article is partially true, but those numbers are way off.
Linux overflows at 497 days. I suspect someone was calculating with signed
integers rather than unsigned ones. Solaris also overflows at 497 days. We
saw this happen in fact, back when Netcraft first started listing uptimes,
there were lots of Solaris and Linux sites on it, but as they passed 497
days, they dropped off the list.
Further, 1000 ticks per second eqates to 49.7 days, not 24 days.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What does IQ measure?
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:54:37 -0500
WesTralia wrote:
>
> Chad Everett wrote:
> >
> > Your lengthy signature is the most annoying thing I've seen on
> > USENET for some time.
> >
>
> Yeah, but the real grabber is that he is anti-Microsoft, yet posts
> from a Microsoft box and calls himself a "Unix Systems Engineer."
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Wrong. I changed the string in the source, so as to disguise what
platform I am actually using.
Security through obfuscation (among other methods).
> Gotta love it!
>
> > On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >Translation: The cowardly one who won't even put a name to his words
> > >recognizes that his ass is getting soundly whipped to such a degree
> > >that the skin is starting to shred.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >--
> > >Aaron R. Kulkis
> > >Unix Systems Engineer
> > >DNRC Minister of all I survey
> > >ICQ # 3056642
> > >
> > >K: Truth in advertising:
> > > Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
> > > Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
> > > Special Interest Sierra Club,
> > > Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> > > Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> > > The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> > > Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
> > >
> > >
> > >J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> > > The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> > > also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
> > >
> > >I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> > > challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> > > between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> > > Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
> > >
> > >H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> > > premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> > > you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> > > you are lazy, stupid people"
> > >
> > >G: Knackos...you're a retard.
> > >
> > >
> > >F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> > > adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
> > >
> > >E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> > > her behavior improves.
> > >
> > >D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> > > ...despite (C) above.
> > >
> > >C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
> > >
> > >B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> > > method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> > > direction that she doesn't like.
> > >
> > >A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: How Microsoft Crushes the Hearts of Trolls.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 19:57:25 GMT
Said Ayende Rahien in alt.destroy.microsoft on Wed, 14 Mar 2001 20:12:42
>"LShaping" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:6NNr6.56410$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>> I wonder how much thought the prosecution gave to prohibiting the OS maker
>> from writing applications, or if they gave up that idea as being more
>> intrusive than a more simple, temporary breakup.
>
>How do you determain what is an application and what is the OS?
>According to you, GUI is mandatory for a desktop OS.
>But is a shell (windows manager, might be more fitting here, though)
>required?
>What about command line interface? What would you include there?
>Where do you put the line between what is an OS and what is an application?
>
>Is a browser mandatory?
>An email program?
>A calculator?
>A text editor?
>A CD Player?
>A word proccessor?
>A web server?
>>
>Where do you draw the line, exactly?
>
Anywhere the customer actually wants you to.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Mircosoft Tax
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:08:16 GMT
Said Donovan Rebbechi in alt.destroy.microsoft on 14 Mar 2001 22:01:24
[...]
>Go back further in the thread and you'll see that the discussion is
>about an article that complains that hardware is cheaper and Win9x
>isn't. My claims:
>
>(a) The fact that hardware becomes cheaper does not mean that
> software need do the same.
The claim was that *everything* becomes cheaper, and that is an
irrefutable fact. Software "gets cheaper" just like everything else
does, though you are probably entirely ignorant of this, since it starts
out so astronomically cheap to begin with.
>(b) IMO the argument that Win 9x is "too expensive" is not very
> convincing. Maybe they could charge 3 times as much for the
> OEM license, but that's not the point I was debating.
Yes, it is; you just don't understand why such compartmentalization is
bogus. It presumes Microsoft is running a business and acting
competitively, and that's simply not the case. Your reasoning takes for
granted the working of 'market forces' which are meaningless in
Microsoft's case, as they are a monopoly, and thus are relatively immune
to 'market forces'.
[...]
>Again, the complaint isn't really directed at you. But there are a lot of
>people who mindlessly bash Microsoft products and Microsoft out of prejudice.
>These people aren't much better than those who mindlessly tdeclare MS to
>be the be-all-end-all of computing. For example, wsee the Aamazon.com
>reiews for "writing solid code". A lot of idiots posted negative reviews
>without having even read the book.
If you were correct in your thinking that MS doesn't overcharge, perhaps
you'd have a point.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: "Mart van de Wege" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: .Net to run on Linux
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:59:28 +0100
In article <gw8s6.1068$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Erik Funkenbusch"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Mart van de Wege" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
<snip some stuff>
>> 2. I believe it was Bill himself who said that MS will never relinquish
>> their proprietary data, even though they will wrap it in XML.
>
> What proprietary data might that be?
Oh I don't know. Word .doc files maybe? Haven't you heard the wailing and
gnashing of teeth over those?
>> 3. As Ayende said, in order to qualify as a standard .NET must be
>> implemented on more than one platform.
>
> No, in order to qualify as a standard, it must be adopted by a standards
> body.
snip more stuff>
Yeah, that's what Ayende said. My question was what qualifications do
these standard bodies use? As I said I don't know so I am just curious.
>
> Microsoft has not added any vendor specific extensions to HTTP. And
> HTML is one of those languages that has thried *DUE* to vendor
> extensions. Usually the extensions make it into the next standard, or
> at least a variation of them.
>
>
>
>
Euh yes Eric, note the word *content* I used there. I was specifically
referring to the fact that an open protocol (HTTP) does not necessarily
imply open standards in content (MSHTML).
Thanks for replying anyway, we may not always agree, but this was
informative.
Mart
--
Write in C, write in C,
Write in C, yeah, write in C.
Only wimps use BASIC, Write in C.
http://www.orca.bc.ca/spamalbum/
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From: WesTralia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What does IQ measure?
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:22:57 -0600
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> WesTralia wrote:
> >
> > Chad Everett wrote:
> > >
> > > Your lengthy signature is the most annoying thing I've seen on
> > > USENET for some time.
> > >
> >
> > Yeah, but the real grabber is that he is anti-Microsoft, yet posts
> > from a Microsoft box and calls himself a "Unix Systems Engineer."
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> Wrong. I changed the string in the source, so as to disguise what
> platform I am actually using.
>
> Security through obfuscation (among other methods).
>
Nah... I don't believe you. You're thumping USENET from a
Billy-Box. Hehehehehehe... ;-)
-wt
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Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 13:29:06 -0700
From: Anonymous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What does IQ measure?
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (fag Everett) eeped:
> Your lengthy signature is the most annoying thing I've seen on
> USENET for some time.
>
>
> On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >Translation: The cowardly one who won't even put a name to his words
> >recognizes that his ass is getting soundly whipped to such a degree
> >that the skin is starting to shred.
ya don't say...
jackie 'anakin' tokeman
.-~~-.____ it was a dark and stormy night...
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==== ___//
/ \-'~; /~~~(O)
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men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth - more than ruin,
more even than death
- bertrand russell
lies are stebe's only avenue to access his ultimate ambition .. which
is prety much just to perceive himself as a glowing hero.
- cb
it's evolution baby
- pearl jam
grab a kleenex for this one, cuz there's no god and your idiotic human
ideals are laughable!
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha heh!
- bender
beware the beast man
- the lawgiver
it's just like the story of the grasshopper and the octopus. all year long,
the grasshopper kept burying acorns for the winter, while the octopus
mooched off his girlfriend and watched tv. but then the winter came, and
the grasshopper died, and the octopus ate all his acorns. and also he got a
racecar. is any of this getting through to you?
- fry
it's a trap!
- admiral akbar
marriage is a great institution, some of us just haven't gotten it right.
the guilt lasts for about four or five minutes, and then you get over it.
- donald trump
doesn't make sense not to live for fun
- smash mouth
there are only two ways of telling the complete truth - anonymously and
posthumously.
- thomas sowell
there ain't no shelter here
the front line is everywhere
- ratm
larry flynt is right! you all suck!
- homerjsimpson
dr. lecter has no interest in hypothesis. he doesn't believe in syllogism,
or synthesis, or any absolute.
what does he believe in?
chaos. and you don't even have to believe in it. it's self evident.
- hannibal
fat people
approach them warily. thier weight is proof of thier unhappiness, and if
you spend too much time in thier company, they will lead you into debt or
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rank of general.
- lewis lapham
asking nerds for romantic advice is like going to the amish for an auto
mechanic.
- me
so you just pretend to be an asshole?
it's what i'm good at.
- man on the moon
just because i don't think you should be raped or murdered doesn't mean
i care about your feelings.
- me
you want the truth? you can't handle the truth! no truth-handler, you!
bah! i deride your truth-handling abilities!
- sideshowbob
there can be no liberty for a community that lacks the means to detect
lies.
- walter lippmann
...it's a little bit like looking at a mole build a molehill. you say,
that's very interesting. then we walk out in the woods the next day and
we notice a big mountain off in the distance. and we say, good grief,
that's enormously large. a really big mole must have built that.
- ken miller
e-chunta!
- not the droid you're looking for
thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
- exodus 22:18
i see fat people
- marty
the existence of the Bible, as a book for the people, is the greatest
benefit which the human race has ever experienced. every attempt to
belittle it is a crime against humanity.
- immanuel kant
was my mother careful when she stabbed me in ze heart with a clothes
hanger while I was still in ze womb?
- themole
a communications disruption can mean only one thing - invasion!
- someguy
keep on rockin' in the free world
- neil armstrong
it is undesirable to believe a proposition when there is no reason
whatsoever for supposing it to be true.
- bertrand russell
hell hath no fury like the vast robot armies of a woman scorned
- some old guy
it's doomsday
- taylor
i was in my room and i was like just staring at the wall
thinking about everything
but then again i was thinking about nothing,
and then my mom comes in
and i didn't even know she was there
and she calls my name and i didn't hear her
and then she started screaming,
mike, mike, and i go what,
what's the matter,
and she goes what's the matter with you?
i go there's nothing wrong mom,
and she goes don't give me that, you're on drugs,
i go no mom, i'm not on drugs, i'm ok, i'm just thinking,
why don't you get me a pepsi?
she goes, no, you're on drugs,
i go mom, i'm okay, i'm just thinking,
she goes no, you're not thinking, you're on drugs,
normal people don't act that way.
i go mom, just get me a pepsi please, all i want is a pepsi,
and she wouldn't give it to me
all i wanted was a pepsi
just one pepsi
and she wouldn't give it to me
just a pepsi
- mike wallace
fuck you i won't do what you tell me
fuck you i won't do what you tell me
fuck you i won't do what you tell me
fuck you i won't do what you tell me
fuck you i won't do what you tell me
fuck you i won't do what you tell me
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mothafucka!
uh! uh! uh!
- ratm
and jesus, walking by the sea of galilee, saw two brethren, simon called
peter, and andrew his brother, casting a net into the sea: for they were
fishers.
and he saith unto them, follow me, and I will make you fishers of men.
- matthew 4:18-19
i've... seen things you people wouldn't believe... hmm...
attack ships on fire off the shoulder of orion
i watched cee-beams glitter in the dark near the tannhauser gate
all those moments will be lost in time
like tears in rain
- roy
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From: Brian Langenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: .Net to run on Linux
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:40:36 +0000 (UTC)
Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:> I have the nagging feeling they will do to SOAP/XML what they
:> have done to HTTP/HTML: add vendor specific content to drive off
:> competitors, although they implement both standards.
: Microsoft has not added any vendor specific extensions to HTTP. And HTML is
: one of those languages that has thried *DUE* to vendor extensions. Usually
: the extensions make it into the next standard, or at least a variation of
: them.
HTTP vs. HTML is a fine example of how open vs. non-open
protocols/languages evolve over time. HTTP was implemented
freely in Apache early on, has undergone relatively few
revisions and can be implemented robustly on even small tools
like "wget". So long as Apache remains free and open, it is
unlikely any single entity will be able to proprietize the HTTP
protocol.
HTML has always had an open specification, but its implementation
evolved with unnatural rapidity by the battle between two
non-open entities - and this hasn't benefitted HTML. As it
stands now, a great many web pages are targetted to IE or Netscape 4
and are nearly unusable on anything else, which completely
defeats the purpose of HTML. Had a free, open, HTML rendering
browser existing from the start, there's a good chance
we wouldn't have to strive for bug-for-bug compatibility
with existing proprietary browsers in order to keep web pages
from looking or acting terrible.
It's a little late to complain, but I don't think getting
Netscape and IE for free was worth the price we're paying for
them now.
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: GPL Like patents.
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 17:39:59 -0300
T. Max Devlin wrote:
> Said Roberto Alsina in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Tue, 13 Mar 2001
>>Rob S. Wolfram wrote:
>>
>>>>> How do the two processes communicate? Via RPC-like constructs? Then
>>>>> I'd say the two processes are not the same program.
>>>>
>>>>Windows has a mechanism for marshelling COM objects so they can
>>>>be run in or out of the calling process. I don't completely understand
>>>>the details, nor do I see how they could affect the decision of whether
>>>>the two parts are derived from each other.
>>>
>>> Simple. The "same address-space" argument.
>>
>>Sorry, I can't find any reference to "same address-space" in the GPL ;-)
>>
>>>Your process does a JMP to
>>> another part of memory and starts executing code. If this code is part
>>> of library whether being called via dlopen() or just by being an
>>> integral part of your program (in case of a static link) makes no real
>>> difference IMHO, the final executed code is one integral part.
>>> If you have some communication protocol between two seperate processes,
>>> I'd say the code of one process is not derived from the other.
>>
>>What about GPLd programs in a single-memory-space multitasking
>>environment? Are they illegal to port to such a system? Are all the
>>Linux/Amiga ports illegal?
>
> That's the point, Roberto; you have to get existential to have the
> problems you seem to think make some sort of strong argument against the
> GPL, simply because you are prevented from doing things 'the easy way'
> by your own prior use of it.
No, Max, you don't get it. I am not prevented from doing anything, because,
for one thing, I have no Amiga. The point is, the FSF distributes GPLd
software that runs on the Amiga. They would seem to be saying that such
distribution is legal.
However, on the other hand they seem to claim that programs running in the
same address space are derived works, making those same programs derived
works of proprietary software (on the Amiga?).
I see there a contradiction in the FSF position. I see it is a strong
argument to ask which one of the seemingly contradictory interpretations of
the GPL is the one the FSF actually supports. Get it?
It's A, or not A, or inconsistency. The FSF should choose.
--
Roberto Alsina
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