Linux-Advocacy Digest #822, Volume #33           Mon, 23 Apr 01 15:13:07 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Windows 2K is crappy: a couple of examples (Chad Everett)
  Re: Feminism ==> subjugation of males (Chad Everett)
  Re: Windows 2000 - It is an excellent product (Chad Everett)
  Re: Why do Win advocates suck?  Part 1 (Neil Cerutti)
  Re: bank switches from using NT 4 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: Feminism ==> subjugation of males (Bud Frawley)
  Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (silverback)

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows 2K is crappy: a couple of examples
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 23 Apr 2001 12:47:53 -0500

Moved my HP deskjet 880C to a Suse 7.1 linux box and am using
gimp.  A free OS and application and everthing is working great.
Printing is just fine.

Moved the CD-RW drive to a SuSE 7.1 Linux box and with a few easy
and well documented permission settings on a device file and I've
got a CD-RW drive that normal users can use to create CDs.

See how easy Linux is to use for users?


On 23 Apr 2001 12:43:38 -0500, Chad Everett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Windows 2K Pro with 384Meg RAM and lots of free disk space running
>Photoshop 6.01 ( a $900 program! ).  Windows 2K is at SP1 with all
>recent windows updates installed.
>
>Printing 5-6Meg JPGs to an HP 880C deskjet (on parallel port) works
>find *most of the time*.  Sometimes only prints 25% to 75% of an
>image and then just ejects the paper.  Really annoying since the
>high quality photo paper and inkjet cartridges are expensive.
>Checked out Windows "online help and knowledge bases": no help.
>Check out Photoshop 6.01 online help: no help.  Check out HP 
>online help which has a suggestion about making sure the parallel
>port is configured as an ECP parallel port (already done) and
>opening the device manager and making sure the parallel port is
>set for "use all interrupts for this device".  Hmmm..ok...good
>suggestion, so I log in as administrator and make this change.
>Windows 2K immediately tells me I need to reboot for this change
>to take affect. OK...another Windows 2K reboot, I am used to them
>by now.  Windows 2K boots back up and gives me a Blue Screen of
>Death before the login dialog comes up.  OK, probably a device
>interrupt conflict, so I reboot Windows 2K again and boot into 
>"safe mode".  I change the parallel port driver back to "don't
>use interrupts" and it tell me I have to reboot.  OK...another
>Windows 2K reboot, I am used to them by now.  System boots
>back up into "normal" mode and still gives me a Blue Screen
>of Death before the login dialog comes up.  So I reboot again,
>OK...I am used to rebooting WIndows 2K by now.  This time I 
>turn the printer off and the machine off before rebooting.
>Windows comes up just fine now. So maybe I should have just
>turned the printer off to begin with.  My original problem
>with images not completely printing sometimes has not been 
>solved, so I go back into the device manager and turn 
>"use all interrupts for this device" back on.  Windows 2K
>tell me I need to reboot for this change to take affect.
>OK...I am used to rebooting WIndows 2K by now.  SO I reboot
>and this time I don't turn the printer on until the reboot
>has finished.  System booted OK, but I still haven't tried
>booting with the printer turned on and I am not sure if this
>change has fixed the problem or not.
>
>See how easy Windows 2K is to use for users?
>
>I put in a Yamaha CD_RW drive a while back so users can
>create CDs on a Windows 2K Pro box.  Trouble is, Windows
>2K Pro will only let the administrator write to the CD-RW
>drive.  WIndows "online help and knowledge base": no help.
>Yamaha online help:  only administrator can write to CD-RW
>drives in WIndows 2K.  Easy CD Creator and NERO app: same
>answer.  So Ive got this new CD-RW drive and only administrator
>can even use it.  Really nice for the users, huh?  A CD-RW
>drive that they can't use.
>
>See how easy Windows 2K is to use for users?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Feminism ==> subjugation of males
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 23 Apr 2001 12:50:11 -0500

On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 12:34:18 -0500, Bud Frawley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 23 Apr 2001 11:52:21 -0500, Chad Everett said...
>> On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:58:14 -0500, Bud Frawley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>wrote:
>> >On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:52:42 GMT, John Jones said...
>> >> 
>> >> "Bud Frawley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> > On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 09:44:01 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis said...
>> >> > > Bud Frawley wrote:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 08:13:02 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis said...
>> >> > > > > MH wrote:
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > "jet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >> > > > > > news:9c06um$1o3m$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >> > > > > > > news:vEFE6.1319$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > > Any man who supports Feminism is a self-flagellating
>> >> idiot.
>> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > Any man who thinks a woman should be paid the same for equal
>> >> work is a
>> >> > > > > > > > self
>> >> > > > > > > > > flagellating idiot?
>> >> > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > No, just any man who marries one.
>> >> > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > Any man who marries a woman who thinks she should get paid the
>> >> same as a
>> >> > > > > > man
>> >> > > > > > > for the same work is a self flagellating idiot?
>> >> > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > LOL.
>> >> > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > J
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > Pay is not the issue. I've no problem with women getting equal
>> >> pay.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > But try to find a woman who TRULY does equal work...like coming in
>> >> early,
>> >> > > > > or staying late, as needed.  Or going out of town on a business trip
>> >> > > > > on short notice....or transferring half way across the country (or
>> >> > > > > even to an office 20 miles farther from her house).
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > Quite frankly...there are reasons why the STATISTICAL AVERAGE for
>> >> > > > > women's pay is so much lower than men...they refuse to go to the
>> >> > > > > same lengths that men will to *EARN* it'
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > LOL!!!!! I guess you just proved your not a manager! when my cousin
>> >> got
>> >> > > > promotyed to manager in his company  he showed me the pay list! there
>> >> was
>> >> > > > 2 different pays 1 for men 1 for women! men got paid $13.00 an hour
>> >> when
>> >> > > > women got paid $9.00 an hour for the same shift! I told him it's not
>> >> fair
>> >> > > > and they should pay the same so he filed an greavence. they said no
>> >> way.
>> >> > > > he quit that job in a hurry! I bet they stop laughing when I call feds
>> >> on
>> >> > > > this one! they offered him mney to keep quiet but I said no way I'm
>> >> > > > keepiung quiet! this is gonna hit the papers when I start talking!
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Men show up for work more reliably.
>> >> >
>> >> > LOL!!!! ya right! I left out the part when he showed me there time cards
>> >> > because I knew you'd bite! the women get there every day ON TIME! when
>> >> > somebody's show's up late it's always a man! those are statistics my boy!
>> >> >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Do you know how much a production work stoppage costs a factory?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > A hell of more than $4.00/hour.
>> >> >
>> >> > LOL! like they lower there prices when it stops! you do'nt pay for when
>> >> > it stops because the owner is right there! I guess you think he has to
>> >> > pay himself when it stops! LOL!!!!!
>> >> > >
>> >> > > As long as women insist on group rights, then they will suffer
>> >> > > group penalties as well.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > By the way, who put a gun to these women's heads and FORCED them
>> >> > > to accept $9.00.
>> >> >
>> >> > thank's for proving your a complete moron! they either take $9.00 or they
>> >> > get fired! that's as bad a holding a gun to there heads if you want to
>> >> > support a family!
>> >> >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > It appears that management offered $9.00/hour, and they accepted.
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm gonna say this one more time so take the beans outa your ears THAT"S
>> >> > ALL THE JOB PAYS FOR WOMEN! maybe you should go back to the dumass farm!
>> >> >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > All this displays is that most women are exceptionally poor
>> >> > > negotiators.
>> >> >
>> >> > care to provide a cite? I guess not!
>> >> >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > So of course, they have to get a law passed to protect them, because
>> >> > > they are so strong, and equal.
>> >> >
>> >> > if men were paid less then women they would pass a law so fast it would
>> >> > make your head spin!
>> >> > >
>> >> 
>> >> They already did - It's the Equal Pay Act of 1963.  It prohibits paying
>> >> people less for the same work becasue of their sex.   Tell your cousin about
>> >> it.
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >another republiCON moron which think's when a republiCON is in the white 
>> >house all laws for equality are all enforced! I guess you did'nt read my 
>> >post or you would of known they offerred him a bribe to keep quiet! I 
>> >guess you think they would do that if it was legal! to bad they do'nt 
>> >care! they pay less to women ! what part do'nt you understand? moron!
>> 
>> This is a lie and you know it.  We're still waiting for you to tell us
>> what newspaper to look for this in when it "hits the papers".
>> 
>> 
>I guess you'll just have to wait but it'll be a LOT of them I can tell 
>you that much! I hope you like egg on your face because that's what your 
>gonna have! LOL!!!!!!!!! my cousin said they usually pay BIG BUCKS for a 
>story like this! I have to get a lawyer first because my life is'nt gonna 
>be worth a plug nickel after this one breaks!

OK liar.  I'll be holding my breath.....NOT!



------------------------------

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 - It is an excellent product
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 23 Apr 2001 12:52:19 -0500

On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 18:53:51 +0100, Hullo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Wonderful product from Microsoft. Go get it and get used to the future
>dudes.
>
>

Windows 2K Pro with 384Meg RAM and lots of free disk space running
Photoshop 6.01 ( a $900 program! ).  Windows 2K is at SP1 with all
recent windows updates installed.

Printing 5-6Meg JPGs to an HP 880C deskjet (on parallel port) works
find *most of the time*.  Sometimes only prints 25% to 75% of an
image and then just ejects the paper.  Really annoying since the
high quality photo paper and inkjet cartridges are expensive.
Checked out Windows "online help and knowledge bases": no help.
Check out Photoshop 6.01 online help: no help.  Check out HP 
online help which has a suggestion about making sure the parallel
port is configured as an ECP parallel port (already done) and
opening the device manager and making sure the parallel port is
set for "use all interrupts for this device".  Hmmm..ok...good
suggestion, so I log in as administrator and make this change.
Windows 2K immediately tells me I need to reboot for this change
to take affect. OK...another Windows 2K reboot, I am used to them
by now.  Windows 2K boots back up and gives me a Blue Screen of
Death before the login dialog comes up.  OK, probably a device
interrupt conflict, so I reboot Windows 2K again and boot into 
"safe mode".  I change the parallel port driver back to "don't
use interrupts" and it tell me I have to reboot.  OK...another
Windows 2K reboot, I am used to them by now.  System boots
back up into "normal" mode and still gives me a Blue Screen
of Death before the login dialog comes up.  So I reboot again,
OK...I am used to rebooting WIndows 2K by now.  This time I 
turn the printer off and the machine off before rebooting.
Windows comes up just fine now. So maybe I should have just
turned the printer off to begin with.  My original problem
with images not completely printing sometimes has not been 
solved, so I go back into the device manager and turn 
"use all interrupts for this device" back on.  Windows 2K
tell me I need to reboot for this change to take affect.
OK...I am used to rebooting WIndows 2K by now.  SO I reboot
and this time I don't turn the printer on until the reboot
has finished.  System booted OK, but I still haven't tried
booting with the printer turned on and I am not sure if this
change has fixed the problem or not.

See how easy Windows 2K is to use for users?

I put in a Yamaha CD_RW drive a while back so users can
create CDs on a Windows 2K Pro box.  Trouble is, Windows
2K Pro will only let the administrator write to the CD-RW
drive.  WIndows "online help and knowledge base": no help.
Yamaha online help:  only administrator can write to CD-RW
drives in WIndows 2K.  Easy CD Creator and NERO app: same
answer.  So Ive got this new CD-RW drive and only administrator
can even use it.  Really nice for the users, huh?  A CD-RW
drive that they can't use.

See how easy Windows 2K is to use for users?




------------------------------

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Neil Cerutti)
Subject: Re: Why do Win advocates suck?  Part 1
Date: 23 Apr 2001 18:14:17 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Matthew Gardiner posted:
>As for running it in a design studio, I don't see in the short
>term Linux making huge inroads, however, how do I or any one
>else knows that Adobe of Macromedia are quiety testing out
>pre-alpha linux versions of their software on Linux? maybe they
>are just hanging around and may release it when the time is
>right.  No one knows.  As for photoshop and Quark Xpress,
>howmany home users out their use those sorts of titles,
>considering Photoshop in NZ is $2500 +GST, and Quark Xpress is
>around the same amount.

The CorelDRAW Graphics Suite for Linux was recently reviewed in
_Linux Journal_. Not such a great port, apparently, but the big
boys of the commercial graphics suites do seem to be porting to
Linux. Well, one has. The reviewer comes to the conclusion that
The Gimp is still better.

http://linux.corel.com/products/draw/

-- 
Neil Cerutti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4
Date: 23 Apr 2001 14:15:47 -0400

"Jon Johansan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> "mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Todd wrote:
> > >
> > > "mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >
> > > The article claims a few other companies have already gone to W2DC and
> have
> > > good success... did you read the article?

I read it.  I only saw one other company mentioned: Abbey National moved
to W2DC from "previous versions of the operating system", not Unix.

> > >
> > I read the article, and am taken with how stupid it sounds. I have seen a
> > couple stories like it followed by the inevitable article a year or two
> later
> > about how they have to upgrade, yet again, to get the benefits they
> thought
> > they were getting with the previous version. In a year or two they will
> either
> > upgrade again or go back to UNIX. Just wait and see.
> 
> In the real world it's far more likely to see old technology replaced with
> new technology and things get better and they never look back - like this
> story...

The article says

  Halifax will start to replace parts of its NT and Unix infrastructure in
  July, and is aiming to complete the whole project by the end of the
  year.

How do you get from this to "things get better and they never look
back"?

-- 
Bruce R. Lewis                          http://brl.sourceforge.net/
I rarely read mail sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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From: Bud Frawley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Feminism ==> subjugation of males
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 13:18:09 -0500

On 23 Apr 2001 12:50:11 -0500, Chad Everett said...
> On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 12:34:18 -0500, Bud Frawley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>wrote:
> >On 23 Apr 2001 11:52:21 -0500, Chad Everett said...
> >> On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:58:14 -0500, Bud Frawley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>wrote:
> >> >On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:52:42 GMT, John Jones said...
> >> >> 
> >> >> "Bud Frawley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> >> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >> > On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 09:44:01 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis said...
> >> >> > > Bud Frawley wrote:
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 08:13:02 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis said...
> >> >> > > > > MH wrote:
> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > "jet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> >> > > > > > news:9c06um$1o3m$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >> > > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > > MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> >> > > > > > > news:vEFE6.1319$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >> > > > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > > > > > Any man who supports Feminism is a self-flagellating
> >> >> idiot.
> >> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > > > > Any man who thinks a woman should be paid the same for equal
> >> >> work is a
> >> >> > > > > > > > self
> >> >> > > > > > > > > flagellating idiot?
> >> >> > > > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > > > No, just any man who marries one.
> >> >> > > > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > > Any man who marries a woman who thinks she should get paid the
> >> >> same as a
> >> >> > > > > > man
> >> >> > > > > > > for the same work is a self flagellating idiot?
> >> >> > > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > > LOL.
> >> >> > > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > > J
> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > Pay is not the issue. I've no problem with women getting equal
> >> >> pay.
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > But try to find a woman who TRULY does equal work...like coming in
> >> >> early,
> >> >> > > > > or staying late, as needed.  Or going out of town on a business trip
> >> >> > > > > on short notice....or transferring half way across the country (or
> >> >> > > > > even to an office 20 miles farther from her house).
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > Quite frankly...there are reasons why the STATISTICAL AVERAGE for
> >> >> > > > > women's pay is so much lower than men...they refuse to go to the
> >> >> > > > > same lengths that men will to *EARN* it'
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > LOL!!!!! I guess you just proved your not a manager! when my cousin
> >> >> got
> >> >> > > > promotyed to manager in his company  he showed me the pay list! there
> >> >> was
> >> >> > > > 2 different pays 1 for men 1 for women! men got paid $13.00 an hour
> >> >> when
> >> >> > > > women got paid $9.00 an hour for the same shift! I told him it's not
> >> >> fair
> >> >> > > > and they should pay the same so he filed an greavence. they said no
> >> >> way.
> >> >> > > > he quit that job in a hurry! I bet they stop laughing when I call feds
> >> >> on
> >> >> > > > this one! they offered him mney to keep quiet but I said no way I'm
> >> >> > > > keepiung quiet! this is gonna hit the papers when I start talking!
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Men show up for work more reliably.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > LOL!!!! ya right! I left out the part when he showed me there time cards
> >> >> > because I knew you'd bite! the women get there every day ON TIME! when
> >> >> > somebody's show's up late it's always a man! those are statistics my boy!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Do you know how much a production work stoppage costs a factory?
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > A hell of more than $4.00/hour.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > LOL! like they lower there prices when it stops! you do'nt pay for when
> >> >> > it stops because the owner is right there! I guess you think he has to
> >> >> > pay himself when it stops! LOL!!!!!
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > As long as women insist on group rights, then they will suffer
> >> >> > > group penalties as well.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > By the way, who put a gun to these women's heads and FORCED them
> >> >> > > to accept $9.00.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > thank's for proving your a complete moron! they either take $9.00 or they
> >> >> > get fired! that's as bad a holding a gun to there heads if you want to
> >> >> > support a family!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > It appears that management offered $9.00/hour, and they accepted.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I'm gonna say this one more time so take the beans outa your ears THAT"S
> >> >> > ALL THE JOB PAYS FOR WOMEN! maybe you should go back to the dumass farm!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > All this displays is that most women are exceptionally poor
> >> >> > > negotiators.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > care to provide a cite? I guess not!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > So of course, they have to get a law passed to protect them, because
> >> >> > > they are so strong, and equal.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > if men were paid less then women they would pass a law so fast it would
> >> >> > make your head spin!
> >> >> > >
> >> >> 
> >> >> They already did - It's the Equal Pay Act of 1963.  It prohibits paying
> >> >> people less for the same work becasue of their sex.   Tell your cousin about
> >> >> it.
> >> >> 
> >> >> 
> >> >> 
> >> >another republiCON moron which think's when a republiCON is in the white 
> >> >house all laws for equality are all enforced! I guess you did'nt read my 
> >> >post or you would of known they offerred him a bribe to keep quiet! I 
> >> >guess you think they would do that if it was legal! to bad they do'nt 
> >> >care! they pay less to women ! what part do'nt you understand? moron!
> >> 
> >> This is a lie and you know it.  We're still waiting for you to tell us
> >> what newspaper to look for this in when it "hits the papers".
> >> 
> >> 
> >I guess you'll just have to wait but it'll be a LOT of them I can tell 
> >you that much! I hope you like egg on your face because that's what your 
> >gonna have! LOL!!!!!!!!! my cousin said they usually pay BIG BUCKS for a 
> >story like this! I have to get a lawyer first because my life is'nt gonna 
> >be worth a plug nickel after this one breaks!
> 
> OK liar.  I'll be holding my breath.....NOT!
> 
> 
> 
what a moron! who care's what you think? dumass! I hope you like your 
fairyland because that's where you are! I guess the real world scares 
you! aw poor widdle baby is scared to come outside in the real world! to 
bad dumass!

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (silverback)
Crossposted-To: 
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:23:10 GMT

On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:08:38 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Roberto Alsina wrote:
>> 
>> On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 10:52:26 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >Roberto Alsina wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >Roberto Alsina wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 09:34:40 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >> >Roberto Alsina wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 01:03:12 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>wrote:
>> >> >> >> >Mathew wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 22 Apr 2001, Gunner© wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> > Mathew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> >> > >Slavery;child labour
>> >> >> >> >> > As opposed to a 16 yr old working at Burger King?
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> A 16 year old at Burger King, where they can only work part time,is
>> >> >> >> >> hardly comparable to 12-14 hour work days of children as young as 6.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >In some parts of the world, such work is FAR more useful to the child
>> >> >> >> >than any high-end education (when living in a 3rd-world shithole,
>> >> >> >> >lessons on astrophysics are....a luxery.  Food on the table is a
>> >> >> >> >necessity.  Hope that helps).
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> There's a wide spectrum between no education and astrophysics.
>> >> >> >> And if you work 12 hours a day at a back-breaking job when you are
>> >> >> >> a kid, you don't get any education.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >What good is an education if you have starved to death?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The black-and-whiteness of your mind is amazing.
>> >> >> There is a solution to this: feed the kid at (public) school.
>> >> >> Of course you would believe that kid is stealing your money.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Roberto Alsina
>> >> >
>> >> >Nope, by Aarons logic, some how the staving child is funded by gold from
>> >> >Moscow as to suck in people into this "communist plot" to take over the
>> >> >world whilst using the power of the Democrats, Unions, and other
>> >> >assorted people intertwined into this communist take over of the world.
>> >>
>> >> Here's my guess: Moscow paid unions to make workers vote parties who
>> >> don't see feeding the poor kid as a waste of money (communists!).
>> >>
>> >> So, when the government steals Aaron's money to feed the kid (communists!)
>> >> the kid is being told that good daddy government (communist!) is feeding
>> >> him, thus he is being indoctrined (little communist!).
>> >
>> >What part of "taking money from MY kids to feed YOUR kids is THEFT"
>> 
>> What part of that what? And who said they are my kids?
>
>forcibly taking money from MY kids to feed ANY other man's kids is THEFT

nope you can pay yer taxes and quite whinning about it or get the fuck
out of this country. 

>
>> 
>> >And Theft is slavery.
>> 
>> No, theft is theft.
>
>Taking the fruits of one person's labor, against their will, for the
>benefit of another person is slavery, is it not?
>

nope taxes is yer legal obligation to live in this society if you
don't like it get the fuck out.

>Strangely enough, theft is taking the fruits of one person's labor,
>against their will, for the benefit of another person.
>
>Therefore, theft is slavery.

yer a fucking idiot too.
>
>
>> 
>> >You *DO* know the proper punishment for those who enslave others, don't you?
>> 
>> They become you? Isn't that unusual and cruel?
>
>Do you not believe that those who enslave others forfeit their rights?
>
>
>> 
>> --
>> Roberto Alsina
>
>
>-- 
>Aaron R. Kulkis
>Unix Systems Engineer
>DNRC Minister of all I survey
>ICQ # 3056642
>
>L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
>   can defeat the email search bots.  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>K: Truth in advertising:
>       Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
>       Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
>       Special Interest Sierra Club,
>       Anarchist Members of the ACLU
>       Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
>       The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
>       Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
>
>J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
>   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
>   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
>I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
>   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
>   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
>   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
>H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
>    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
>    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
>    you are lazy, stupid people"
>
>G:  Knackos...you're a retard.
>
>
>F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
>   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
>E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
>   her behavior improves.
>
>D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
>   ...despite (C) above.
> 
>C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
>B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
>   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
>   direction that she doesn't like.
>
>A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

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