Linux-Advocacy Digest #915, Volume #32 Tue, 20 Mar 01 01:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: IBM adapting entire disk storage line to work with Linux ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: IBM adapting entire disk storage line to work with Linux ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!> ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!> ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!> ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism (Frnk N. Puppenstein)
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software ("Les Mikesell")
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: IBM adapting entire disk storage line to work with Linux
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 00:29:17 -0500
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "Bob Hauck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > On Mon, 19 Mar 2001 13:12:55 GMT, Chad Myers
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >So? Stringing together hundreds of boxes isn't something to really
> > >be proud of, necessarily.
> >
> > Unless you can set a TPC record by doing it, apparently.
>
> That would be the only way Linux could win, really.
>
> However, if you look at the Windows results, it only took a few
> boxes. No armies and armies necessary as in the Linux examples.
>
Must be why the sites with the most demanding throughput requirements
are doing PRECISELY what you deride, Chad, and stringing together
hundreds of Linux boxes.
Why is that?
> -c
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: IBM adapting entire disk storage line to work with Linux
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 00:30:14 -0500
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "Ed Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In article <rBnt6.88480$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >Not everyone uses supercomputers. For the masses, Win2K is the fastest
> > >clustering solution you can buy (or can't buy, as the case may be).
> > >See www.tpc.org.
> >
> > At $20K per CPU I hardly think masses of people will even look at
> > W2K.
>
> Then that would exclude Unix, which is way more expensive than that.
Liar.
Sun Microsystems workstations are under $1000 each...with FULL licenses.
And Linux is cheaper than a floppy drive....
> Win2K has been growing rapidly in that space due to its low-cost,
> super-performing results.
>
> www.tpc.org
>
> -c
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!>
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 00:34:30 -0500
Alan wrote:
>
> I stand by my original post.
> "This is a hole that could allow information to be manipulated by
> others," Cooper wrote on the NTBugTraq Web site. "However, it's
> limited to 'others' who already have Web authoring permissions on the
> same box."
> ...Besides using the phrase, a hacker would need author privileges in
> order to gain read-only access to Active Server Pages files, she
> said.
>
> The problem that I see is not that the code is in there, but that MS
> by default has no security. Unless you know how to lock all the doors
> (and that just isnt part of the documentation that ships with the
> computer), you have some potential problems. Hence the paranoia in the
> second part of the original post by someone about a potential NSA key.
>
> It takes a lot of "atta boys" to make up for one "ahh shit." And in
> regards to security, microsoft doesn't have to many attaboys.
>
But M$ *DOES* have an ever-growing mountain of shit.
> On 19 Mar 2001 19:14:13 -0600, "Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Alan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> On Sun, 18 Mar 2001 04:03:33 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad
> >> Everett) wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> >>Evidence? You call this evidence? What you wrote is complete bullshit
> >and
> >> >>does not exist in anything but your fantasy.
> >> >>
> >> http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2550735,00.html
> >>
> >> MS calls it a pinhole. Some could claim you could fly a Boeing 747
> >> through it.
> >
> >How convienent that you didn't bother to post the follow up report that
> >proves my point, it's bullshit.
> >
> >http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2550387,00.html
> >
> >
> >
>
> ** NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is
>distributed, without profit, for research and educational purposes only. ***
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!>
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 00:36:27 -0500
Alan wrote:
>
> And your point is?
> Are you suggesting I am part of the grand conspiracy, and that I
> bookmark (er... excuse me, add to favorites) every anti-MS link I come
> across. Well ya, I do, but...
> I did a google search looking up MS and weanies. I opened the link, it
> had MS saying a pinhole, and to the best of my memory, that is what it
Is this like "only a little pregnant"
Define a security pinhole as opposed to a security cavern?
Can a woman be "raped only just a little bit"
once your system has been breached, you're breached.
> was. So I didn't do the in depth analysis necessary for a doctoral
> dissertation on the correlation between microsoft company programmers
> fascination with weenies and Netscape programmers (suspect penis envy
> but can't find an undergrad TA willing to do the research). So I
> noted that MS called it a pinhole. I also noted that 747s can fly
> through what some corporations call pinholes (insert biblical
> reference to camel going through eye of the needle here).
>
> How did I do on your grand conspiracy theory?
>
> On 19 Mar 2001 19:15:08 -0600, "Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >hey Alan, you also didn't link to the VERY next ZDNet article that states
> >it's bullshit, just as I said:
> >http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2550387,00.html
> >
> >"Alan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> Sorry Chad...
> >> I snipped Jan Johanson writing that it is complete bullshit and does
> >> not exist.
> >>
> >> Sorry about that.
> >>
> >> On Sun, 18 Mar 2001 04:08:37 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alan) wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sun, 18 Mar 2001 04:03:33 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad
> >> >Everett) wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>>Evidence? You call this evidence? What you wrote is complete bullshit
> >and
> >> >>>does not exist in anything but your fantasy.
> >> >>>
> >> >http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2550735,00.html
> >> >
> >> >MS calls it a pinhole. Some could claim you could fly a Boeing 747
> >> >through it.
> >>
> >
> >
>
> ** NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is
>distributed, without profit, for research and educational purposes only. ***
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!>
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 00:36:59 -0500
Ed Allen wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >Have you ever built NT source code?
> >
> To give you an idea of the complexity, Jeff Merkey, who *has*
> says it takes 35 hours per compile.
Figures.
In comparison, Linux takes only that many MINUTES.
>
> --
> GPL says
> "What's mine is ours,
> If you make *OUR* stuff better the result is still ours."
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Frnk N. Puppenstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:42:21 -0800
Thanks for the remarks. Just know that you (and your kind) will be the
first against the wall when the revolution comes.
But seriously, fuck you.
Shades wrote:
> Can anyone imagine, let's say a CTO of a large multinational company, the
> kind Linux advocates would love say they beat MS in, jumping into one of
> these newsgroups and reading the "professionalism" expressed in this
> group(see below)? Unix people have always been touted as being this
> arrogant and narrow-minded and I have had my fair share of the
> unprofessional manner.
>
> In the past I have had Unix people say there were going to slash my tires,
> and some sabotaged a web server farm I worked in because they didn't like
> NT
> servers being there. But here one can see it first hand. It is sad
> because for all the good Linux and Unix may be over NT, who can trust a
> group of people who act like this to administer it?
>
> If I go to any of the MS groups it isn't this way. There is no
> masculinity
> tests for how much I know or do not. People there generally comment more
> positively if someone says Linux is better and give good arguments both
> pro
> and con. Here however, people tend to disagree by 13 year old name
> calling and not really giving out much in terms of information. (if you
> are
> too stupid to know I won't tell you). All anyone hears is "MS IS A
> MONOPOLY" or "WE DID GUI FIRST", and "IF YOU CAN'T INSTALL IT YOU ARE
> F***IN DUMB", etc, etc,... ad nauseum. But one rarely hears about
> solutions businesses need today coming out of this.
>
> I don't mean to say this of all Unix/Linux people for I know some that I
> consider good friends and they act extremely professional. But there are
> so many that do not and all it does is give Microsoft and others MORE
> ammunition to scare corporations that the Linux community so desperately
> needs away.
>
> My 2 cents....
>
>
>
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Shades wrote:
>> >
>> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > > >
>> > > > Well this is all true but creating a multitasking OS and having
> hardware
>> > to
>> > > > support it on was way too expensive for companies to put on
>> > > > someones
>> > desktop
>> > >
>> > > You are truly and idiot.
>> > >
>> > > You really are fucking clueless about how little effort it takes to
>> > > create a multi-tasking operating system.
>> > >
>> > > I suggest you shut your pie-hole until you have taken the relevant
>> > > systems programming course at a university.
>> >
>> > No I have and I played with the Tannebaum code quite a while ago.
> True, I
>>
>> Then you know FULL WELL that your claim that multi-tasking is difficult
>> to develop and support is an outright lie.
>>
>> GAME
>> SET
>> MATCH
>>
>> Thank you for playing....JACKASS!
>
>
>
>
------------------------------
From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 05:56:14 GMT
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said Austin Ziegler in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Mon, 19 Mar 2001
> [...]
> >The effects are the same; the wording is different. Get a clue, Maxine.
>
> Are you honestly trying to tell us the only problem you have with the
> GPL is in the wording? Get for real, Austin; nobody's buying it.
The real problem is the claim of control over any future 'work as a
whole' where only a part originates under the GPL. It is a seriously
bizarre view of copyright law to claim that existing code already under
different restrictions can become a derived work under control
of the GPL under any circumstances. If this view can possibly
be correct, Microsoft can claim ownership and control of any of
their competitor's works that link to any Microsoft dll's (and I
suspect every Windows product does...). It would be equally
(un)reasonable for them to make the same claim as the GPL.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
------------------------------
From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 06:09:16 GMT
"Graham Murray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In gnu.misc.discuss, "JD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Basically, free software has weak (no) limitations on use and
> > redistribution, and the GPL has strong limitations on
> > redistribution. In fact, by default, you have to read the text of
> > the GPL 'checklist' to make sure that you comply. Even an average
> > user can easily have problems complying the the restrictions
> > associated with the GPL. The restrictions with the GPL are more
> > likely to impact a commercial user, but this shows that the
> > restrictions are effectively discriminatory (a desirable, but
> > non-necessary aspect of free software.)
>
> What restrictions does the GPL impose on a *user* (average, commercial
> or otherwise)?
It prevents many potentially useful things from being possible at
all with GPL'd code. If by 'user' you mean a person who
cannot assemble his own set of components where some
parts are GPL'd and some not, there will be no legal way
to obtain these things.
>The only impact that the GPL has on a user (as opposed
> to a developer) is that, unlike most commercial licences, it allows
> the software to be shared with others subject to the provision that
> the recipients must have the same rights (under the GPL) as the person
> doing the distributing or sharing. How is this discriminatory against
> commercial users?
You are reading that backwards. It doesn't say anything about
causing software to be shared. It talks about restrictions on
how it can be shared, and if it isn't 100% GPL'd then it can't
be shared at all, and no user is going to get it.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
------------------------------
** FOR YOUR REFERENCE **
The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests
to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is:
Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
You can send mail to the entire list by posting to comp.os.linux.advocacy.
Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites:
ftp.funet.fi pub/Linux
tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux
sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux
End of Linux-Advocacy Digest
******************************
