Linux-Advocacy Digest #939, Volume #32 Tue, 20 Mar 01 17:13:06 EST
Contents:
Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: uh oh, redhat is gonna do it (Steve Chaney)
Re: What is user friendly? ("Craig Oshima")
Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!> ("Joseph T. Adams")
Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism ("Shades")
Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: What is user friendly? ("Craig Oshima")
Re: uh oh, redhat is gonna do it ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:12:11 -0500
WesTralia wrote:
>
> Shades wrote:
> >
> > > >
> > > > Yep... thanks.
> > >
> > > Sounds like something a Mafia$oft JACKASS would write.
> > >
> >
> > You know... I haven't once called you a name nor have I said anything
> > negative towards you personally. In your .sig you say that: "The wise man
> > is mocked by fools." I am neither saying I am wise nor you a fool but
> > unlike you, I wasn't trying out for the part.
> >
> > So far all I did was make a statement regarding the professionalism of Linux
> > people. For some reason you may think I am pro MS but I am pro competition
> > and I was simply stating that actions like these makes MS's job easier to
> > do. Ranting and raving with somewhat uncontrollable anger isn't going to
> > prove your point to anyone and is only going to help repeat history.
>
> Shades, save your breath on this guy.
Translation: Stay away from him before he kicks your wintroll ass AGAIN.
> You are arguing with a sys admin
> for Kinko Kopiers who oversees a Wintendo98 network.
As if Sun E10000 machines hooked up to a multi-million dollar EMC storage
area network is a intendo90 network
>
> -wt
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:13:42 -0500
Shades wrote:
>
> >
> > you KNOWINGLY LIED, and there's no squirming out of it...JACKASS!
> >
> >
>
> Let me ask you a question. Could a large office full of secretaries easily
> used a multitasking OS using the command line?
They handled it just fine in the late 1980's.
Are you saying secretaries are stupider these days?
> Or a CEO of a company. I
> admitted it was technically possible to do it but given that apps ran so
> damned slow on an old 8086/88 why would they?
They handled ALL of that just find in the late 1980's.
Are you saying that a man who is smart enough to become the CEO of
a fortune 500 company is too stupid to figure out stuff that
junior-high kids can handle?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Chaney)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,soc.singles,comp.os.linux.redhat
Subject: Re: uh oh, redhat is gonna do it
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:18:01 GMT
On Tue, 20 Mar 2001 20:46:24 GMT, "Scot Mc Pherson"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Steve and friends,
> Here is an excerpt from the FAQ which is the page that Steve directed us
>to:
>
>Is Red Hat now charging for software updates?
>No. On March 16 Red Hat discontinued anonymous access to Red Hat Network
>through the Update Agent (up2date). You now have two choices for free
>software updates:
>
>if you register with Red Hat Network, you get a free subscription to
>Software Manager and can use Update Agent with your RHN username.
>if you don't want to register, the same software updates will continue to be
>available for free download from our public FTP servers (ftp.redhat.com) and
>mirror sites worldwide.
>
>
>
>What this means to us is that we have to ftp our software updates when out
>trial RHN subscriptions end.
My point is they might try and make it so you can't get the software
updates via FTP.
>Is this a violation of the GNU GPL? Nope...the GPL prevent people from
>modifying or reselling GPL'd software. The software RedHat is using is their
>own. It might run on a GPL platform, but that is OK. There is nothing in the
>GPL that prevents people from doing so, in fact it is somewhat encouraged by
>the community. The GPL is NOT related one iota to a service provided. The
>breadth you have given to the GPL Steve, means that I am not allowed to
>charge for an onsite visit to repair and maintain a client system.
I didn't say anything that contradicted THIS.
-- Steve
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Reply-To: "Craig Oshima" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Craig Oshima" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: What is user friendly?
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 13:15:20 -0800
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Most users (including hackers) do not use hundreds of other programs. A
> > dozen is probably more than most people ever use. However, the fact
that
> > the average cost of any given commercial application is 100 USD or more
is a
> > good reason to cheer on Linux.
>
> Regardless...
>
> A Linux user has a FULLY FUNCTIONAL system within 1 hour of booting
> the installation disk.
>
> For a Windows user, getting even basic functionality takes close
> to a DAY.
I sure don't know where you get your information...it doesn't take more than
an hour for me to do a clean install of W2K and Office.
--
Craig Oshima
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!>
Date: 20 Mar 2001 21:22:37 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:> Some stupid shitheads think you can take 20million lines of code,
:> compile them with any two random compilers, using any 2 random
:> makefiles, on any 2 random machines and get identical binary files. It
:> don't work that way now and never has. Just today I tried that using
:> VC++ on NT and got different binaries.
: Good god, that's not the point.
: If you have the source code, and inspect it for back doors....you compile
: it AND USE the executables produced from the source code WHICH YOUR OWN
: PEOPLE HAVE VERIFIED.
: Only an idiot would trust a CD full of executables handed to them by
: a Microsoft rep in conjunction with another CD full of source code.
: In fact...I don't trust a damn thing produced by Microsoft.
One more thing: you'd better trust the compiler, and since no other
compiler than VC++ will compile the VC++ language (which is dissimilar
to both C and C++, though VC++ will compile C and a small subset of
C++), and since VC++ is written in itself, good luck coming up with
*any* evidence of it being even close to being trustworthy.
By contrast, IIRC, you can build gcc with any ANSI C compiler.
Mafia$oft has stolen a great deal of code, and other intellectual
property, from a great number of companies both living and dead. It
also has an unknown but probably large number of backdoors, including
some that are widely known. It has gone, and will continue to go, to
great lengths to hide the evidence of these and various other crimes.
No one outside of M$, and probably no one inside, will ever see
anything even remotely resembling the complete source code to
Winblows. A lot of people have seen small pieces, but, trust me, they
have *only* seen what M$ wanted them to see, nothing less, and nothing
more.
Joe
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:23:41 -0500
WesTralia wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >
> > "." wrote:
> > >
> > > In comp.os.linux.advocacy Stephen S. Edwards II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Shades <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > >
> > > > 8<SNIP>8
> > >
> > > > First of all, Aaron R. Kulkis is considered a
> > > > blithering idiot by both COLA and COMNA
> > > > participants. Secondly, if you think that
> > > > there are no irrational, childish, idiotic
> > > > NT advocates, then you might want to lurk
> > > > about on some of the various IRC nets.
> > >
> > > Actually, kulkis and chad meyers are almost exactly the same person. Substitute
> > > "linux" for "windows" appropriately, and you absolutely cannot tell them
> > > apart.
> >
> > Wrong.
> >
> > I know what the fuck I'm talking about. I have the university
> > education AND the real-world experience to know what the fuck
> > I'm talking about.
>
> You are wrong about YOUR university education. You never finished. You
Are you implying that 100 credit hours of Mathematics, Chemistry,
Physics, Electrical Engineering, Computer Science, and Computer
Systems Engineering course work is not an education?
When I was a *junior*, there were seniors who though I was a grad student
because of my clear insight into, and ability to analyze advanced concepts.
I completed the core curriculum with excellant grades.
The only thing between me and a degree are some trivial elective
courses....which, because I'm classified as a senior, I *MUST*
take on campus (Purdue doesn't allow credit transfers for anybody
classified as a senior).
Now...why would i give up a couple THOUSAND dollars/week in income
to go back to Indiana to sit around in a history lecture, in pursuit
of a piece of paper that will benefit my productivity, usefulness,
and employment.....not one iota.
People hire me for my education in my core curriculum, which I
*completed* with EXCELLANT grades, before running into financial
problems.
> are a high school graduate, nothing more, nothing less.
Fine...I'm a high school graduate who is hired by Fortune 500
companies into some of the most demanding technical slots...and
leave because I get even MORE lucrative offers.
Remember
Diplomo != Education and Education != Diploma.
I know many people who have a Diploma, but are still uneducated.
I also know many people who have an education, despite the lack of
a Diploma.
None of which implies that a Diploma and an Education are mutually exclusive....
it depends on the school.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Shades" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:26:05 -0500
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Shades wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > you KNOWINGLY LIED, and there's no squirming out of it...JACKASS!
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Let me ask you a question. Could a large office full of secretaries
easily
> > used a multitasking OS using the command line?
>
> They handled it just fine in the late 1980's.
>
> Are you saying secretaries are stupider these days?
>
>
The average secretary had a hard time using a command line OS. I am not sure
what you are referring to. They could hardly navigate directories.
> > Or a CEO of a company. I
> > admitted it was technically possible to do it but given that apps ran so
> > damned slow on an old 8086/88 why would they?
>
> They handled ALL of that just find in the late 1980's.
>
> Are you saying that a man who is smart enough to become the CEO of
> a fortune 500 company is too stupid to figure out stuff that
> junior-high kids can handle?
>
No, I am saying a Fortune 500 CEO doesn't have the time nor the patience to.
He has a business to run and think about. Do you think Ted Turner cares
about the umount or tar command?
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:24:58 -0500
Shades wrote:
>
> Many of these responses are similar to the ones I got years ago from a
> number of Macintosh people when Apple was king. I don't see any difference
> between this scenario and the ones of the past except that Apple/Novell
> actually generated revenue and had something higher than 0.0 for an EPS.
> Maybe you guys are right... maybe this time it will be different and Linux
> will win the day.
>
> However , MS is pretty relentless on stopping Linux now and they don't sit
> around focusing on how Linux TCP implementation stinks. They take their
> case to the customers and show how MS is better in very different ways.
> They show where they do integrate with many products and how some of their
> new products coming out will help them do business. You can all laugh at
> me... but I have sat in both server rooms and boardrooms and have seen them
> in action. Sometimes they fail but generally their sales reps are
> relentless and MS doesn't like to lose. You can say they cheat, lie and
> steal but in the end they can offer a CTO some damned compelling reasons to
> go with them. I have seen Unix people throw things at director level
> people because they discussing bringing in NT. Instead of giving them a
> good story about why Unix/Linux and services that come with it are better
> they do nothing but bitch. That becomes the most self defeating action
> they can do.
>
> I have read numerous posts all over from this group and that and I have
> heard everyone compalin about MS and their evil tactics and how they aren't
> going to get away with it this time and how Linux is so much better...
> However I think you guys really should drop the anger and focusing on how
> bad MS is and focus on solving the client's business problems. Is producing
> a great OS one way. Yes. Is it all you have to do, No.
>
> I am a little tired of watching year after year great technologies go down
> the shitter because the company making them doesn't have a much of a clue
> about anything else and because so many people are so damned self righteous
> that they MUST win by shear will. Steve Jobs proved that to be wrong as did
> so many others that MS went after. MS may be a bunch of assholes but they
> don't seem to be as big an asshole as their competition can be.
Did you shatter your LoseDOS Neutered Technology CD's on the desk
as you wrote that?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:27:25 -0500
Shades wrote:
>
> >
> > Basically, we're goddamned fucking SICK AND TIRED of donkey-raping
> > shit-eaters like yourself who continously LIE about Linux and Unix.
> >
> > Now, be a good little retard and go fuck yourself, JACKASS!
> >
>
> Really. Wow... all I said was it would be nice if some Linux people acted
> more professional for the sake of getting Linux in the door at certain
> places. Actually I never said anything about Unix and Linux, I was talking
> about the people who represent it. I also was attempting to give some
> advice on how some corporations percieve Linux as a good technology but not
> enough in the overall solution.
>
> If these comments are detrimental then you can point out why.
Spot the Microsoft-paid shill.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
Reply-To: "Craig Oshima" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Craig Oshima" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: What is user friendly?
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 13:23:36 -0800
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Craig Oshima wrote:
> >
> > "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > I been using UNIX for 10 years, 5 of which have been in the Linux
arena,
> > and
> > > I have seen how the installation process has become easier. Now,
you've
> > > heard the urban myth that Linux/UNIX is hard to install, which is a
load
> > of
> > > crock.
> >
> > You've been using Unix *how* long? Is it possible that your experience
> > might be affecting your opinion of that which is easy vs. hard for
normal
> > people?
>
> Go get a copy of SuSE 7.1 and describe how difficult it is for you to
> install.
>
> Be precise.
>
You're missing my point...it's not whether *I* have a problem or find it
difficult. It's whether *normal users* find things hard or difficult. If
Linux plans to be successful on normal user desktops, it's got to change its
attitude about normal users and their needs.
--
Craig Oshima
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,soc.singles,alt.os.linux.redhat,comp.os.linux.redhat,linux.redhat
Subject: Re: uh oh, redhat is gonna do it
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:29:42 -0500
Steve Chaney wrote:
>
> I didn't know whether or not RedHat would try and boff the linux
> community up the back door, but it looks like they will try after all.
>
> Is RedHat making like a dog taking off at high speed and forgetting it
> is chained by the neck, or will it stop here? My bet is they are
> taking the first leaps in a quest to turn their version of Linux into
> a paid subscription product.
>
> What am I talking about?
> http://www.redhat.com/products/network/service_changes.html
> (Credits: first seen on slashdot.org:
> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/03/19/156208&mode=thread)
>
> A few excerpts from the FAQ page:
> "On February 26, 2001 Red Hat will be releasing Software Manager, our
> new software update management tool. Software Manager will replace the
> introductory Red Hat Network trial program, which will be ending that
> day."
>
> "Software Manager is a subscription offering priced at $19.95 per
> month for each system."
>
> "Can I still use up2date anonymously to download packages? No. All
> users of up2date will need a Red Hat Network login and a system
> profile for the target machine. If you try to use up2date anonymously,
> you will be prompted to set up a login and use rhn_register to create
> a system profile. You will then receive a digital certificate that
> lets you authenticate and continue as usual."
>
> Can we say manual updates? Well, at least for now, perhaps. But very
> soon they are likely to try and find a way to do away with this as
> well.
>
> Place your bets!!!
> 1) Will RedHat try and take this to the point where even manual
> upgrades are impossible (at least through their FTP server)?
> 2) If so, will the GPL act like the proverbial dog leash and give
> RedHat a rude awakening when they cross The Line?
>
> Heheh.
Yep.
Alternate providers are...NUMEROUS.
This scheme will fail.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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